donahue and let his show go crazy. the train wreck hit daytime tv with a jolt and before long he was beating oprah in some markets hosting mtv's spring breaks and reveling in his new-found celebrity. >> does she demand a prenup? >> reporter: his master of the bizarre gave him a role in the production of "chicago," hosted "america's got talent" and competed on "dancing with the stars" but his bread and butter is still here and this constant parade of dysfunction. how would you characterize the authenticity of the people on the show? >> i, they are real. they're certainly as real as the people that own the show and all of us who wear suits to work. oh they're absolutely authentic people and thas aet's. >> you've never looked for arcs to enhance story lines? >> a am sure -- no i am sure early on there were people that faked their stories. we know it. but we're so good now at catching them. >> has there ever been a show that violated even your sensibilities? >> lots of them. if my mom had still been alive, she'd be 104 tod

on the catholic thing, i will say i won't go as far as phil donahue and say that phil donahue is the president or chairman -- executive director of the catholic league who thinks "the times" is deeply bigoted newspaper against catholics. i won't go as far as archbishop dolan in in saying that. i will say it's distant from the realities. right after i published coloring the news, second wave of the church scandal broke. i was on radio being asked questioning about this. having gone to catholic schools, including a good catholic high school, and then archbishop and now cardinal, having diocese, and priest, some of them who were brought up on charges or however you want to put it knowing some of my school mates who had bad experiences. some of whom actually sued. that the narrative that was carried "the times" was much different than my own personal experience. donahue puts it rather bluntly when he says the catholic church doesn't vs a pedophilia problem, it has a homosexual problem. first of all, the use of pedophilia to describe the scandal was inaccurate. most of the victims up to 9