only two days after baucus left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j.p.n. . are approved by the senior leadership. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection. the inquiry requested permission to force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself scribbled i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours and was it like that when when backless left he was soft. and then dollar short pier and then came miller who really. sort of. started it harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing. from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that the people that. was the right to give us intelligence it was the only rest wer

why does the pentagon want to silence baucus. who fired him and why. and who was it that took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba to another green and. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal now too great when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other than general miller. miller was sent to other great to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the pictures. jenny. kidding me yes i did an echo of this cultural suite and hire a car you know you wouldn't expect to actually. i mean i know the stocks. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between baucus and out of a because of the turkish and to cakes. i think that that's why back and fired. it takes up yes. and and see everybody down it got time ok i dare miller they were all required to sign a formal stateme

the story mount baucus. we would contact him again. even if he's a just a small the pawn in a much bigger game. the security of the world requires disarming saddam hussein. saddam hussein and his sons must leave iraq within forty eight hours. passed chardy of iraqi citizens. disappeared brings a further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever. but when these pictures from saddam's ghraib prison came out. it's clear they have a scandal on their hands some say these methods originated in guantanamo we just haven't seen the pictures rumors have also begun to circulate new rumors of interrogators using sex and hip hop music to get people to crack. the sexual act the very. first the enemy personnel by i have met people who is up and say insulting. if you. could be. for the. world it was under their child a lot of other things but then they sent in a girl who. will continue and she came up to me and started to talk and. if she told me she could do many things for me so she started to thirty three give me a

baucus: mr. president, i also ask consent that in addition to my being able to speak for two minutes and senator inhofe one minute -- the presiding officer: without objection. mr. baucus: -- that senator boxer also be allowed to speak for one minute on this amendment. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. baucus: mr. president, i have, i think is a very commonsense amendment. it basically says okay, it generally makes sense but there should be a couple of exceptions. the general rule is we should have regulations on greenhouse gas emissions, but not for agriculture. i'm talking about agriculture producers. not processors. regulations still apply to processors. i'm just talking about producers, agriculture producers, they should be exempt. currently there are not regulations. e.p.a. may or may not pass regulations that affect agriculture producers. i think we should make clear to the american agriculture that they are exempt. they are not the greenhouse gas polluters. second, this amendmen

>> and you also seem to be concerned and others that he worked as -- for senator max baucus, who's a moderate democrat in the senate. and even though he started according to some of your sources in his political life as a flaming liberal, max baucus is not that. and people worry that jim messina thinks too much like max baucus. >> when messina worked pour balk escould say he was just doing his job but -- >> i would say oh, he's doing his job. >> absolutely. but then he went and worked for rahm in the white house. there's a reason why he worked for rahm, why rahm wanted him to work for him. and you see when he was deputized as a liaison to the progressive groups, for example, which was a major part of his portfolio, he had a lot of clashes with them on health care, on gay rights, and that's all we can do, is look at what has he done and in his time at the white house, in his time working for baucus he's clashed with democratic activists, with grassrts organizers over and ov and over again and that's a patterto his career i fund in this arcl odot a,on ll ha cplabt w long it took and --

before we left we found a short article about general rick baucus who was in command before miller. because it was fired under very weird circumstances the only ones who seemed willing to speculate why is military corruption an organization consisting of ex military personnel who investigate corruption within the army ok all i can say to you is we're on the telephone all i can say to you is we have a network outsources that we call see. actually one. i can't say on the. back there is a one star general brigadier general. we ran into trouble with a two star general who is in charge of the interrogation. i think it's been they complained about policy dealing with those. who would come and sit down in front of the cage and that she speaks they think it's a nice guy with the cages and then the soldiers the american soldiers with some pleased to see the big general come down and sit down on the ground in front of. his gun fired because he was too nice to the prisoners. and was opposed to a secret list of unconventional questioning methods outward goldring out. is that. some of the interr

you heard about the dispute between baucus and the because of the interrogation techniques. i think that's right back and fired. it takes yet. and see everybody down it got time ok i dare miller they were required to find a formal statement from the government which is called the time disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't just got anything that they see or participated in. i have to meet you. and i live in south carolina which is right on the coast. rumor has it come pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general not for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. well i got this she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like baucus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how interrogation methods develop

it appears to be the same two star general who baucus had problems with. and if you look at the date the request was sent on october eleventh. only two days after barca's left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in jail one tommo are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection to the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself scribbled i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours was it like that when we went back after he was soft. then down a short pier and then ken miller who really. sort of. started the harsh truth the kooks miller. i believe had no difficulty with pushing from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted ever

we got this from senator max baucus -- "this is certainly an issue senator baucus will look at closely." we also went to the irs, and they gave us a statement, saying -- "we are referred this case to our independent inspector general, and that if an irs employee took any inappropriate actions and if those actions caused harm to this taxpayer in any way, we sincerely apologize." heather doesn't want an apology, she wants her $5,500 back. and she isn't alone in this. 300,000 people had cases with that tax advocate just last year. now, critics say the problem is the irs takes action against you first and asks questions later. well, now, george, we are asking the questions and we're staying on the irs to help heather get her money back. >> she doesn't know when it's going to happen? >> reporter: nope. >> all right, chris, thank you. and tomorrow, we're going to bring you another investigation. brian ross took a look at companies which help taxpayers take on the irs. they're getting rich, but are their clients getting help? are the promises too good to be true? >>> and coming up, the nails

baucus: mr. president, my colleague from new jersey has proposed what i think is a very reasonable amendment to the revenue provision of the repeal of the 1099 provision, and i -- i accept it, and i plan to support it. i think it's a very good amendment. one of the key provisions in the affordable care act is a tax credit that will be available to millions of middle and low-income americans to madam chairman health insurance if their employer doesn't make health insurance available. that's a credit that goes to middle and low-income americans. the provision that will pay for a feinstein repeal will increase -- a 1099 repeal will increase the amount that many americans have to pay at the end of the year if they receive a credit to purchase their health insurance and their income ends up being higher than the income on which their credit was based. i share senator menendez' concern that this is going to cause an undue problem, undue burden. this could increase premiums on people paying health insur

we got this from senator max baucus, "this is certainly an issue senator baucus will look at closely." we also went to the irs, and they gave us a statement saying, we have referred this case to our independent inspector general and that if an irs employee took any inappropriate actions and if those actions caused harm to this taxpayer in any way, we sincerely apologize." heather doesn't want an apology. she wants her $5,500 back and she's not alone in complaining about the irs. 300,000 people went and complained to that tax advocate just last year. now, critics say the problem is the irs has the ability to take your money first and ask questions second. well, now we're asking the questions and we're staying on the irs to help heather get her money back. chris cuomo, abc news, new york. >> it's good to know and a great story, too. >>> well, when we return, sugar ray loses his fight to compete on "dancing with the stars." >> and the singer who's putting some extra skin into "the skinny" this morning, we can "barely" wait. stay with us. >> oh, boy, that's a bad. >> that was bad. ab @p@p

baucus: madam president, i rise today to offer an amendment to exempt farmers and ranchers and small businesses from e.p.a. regulation and greenhouse gases. the science is clear, greenhouse gas pollution is causing climate change. climate change is here. it's real. it's human caused. and it will hurt our economy and the health of our kids and our grandkids. in montana we're already seeing the effects. according to dr. steve runin, at the university of montana, the duration of the wildfire season in the western united states has increased by 78 days since the 1970's. this trend is driven by earlier snow-packed melt and less summer precipitation due to climate change. and this trend costs jobs in montana's tourism and timber industry. climate change also endangers our national security. according to a report recently authored by retired navy admiral frank boman, even the most moderate predicted trains yant -- transient climate change have security challenges. that's why it is among the security threats in the quadrenial defense review. i believe that we all -- all of us have a moral re

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chus iend, chairman baucu has an interesting bill. if we do this, what will be the political makeup of the commission? if it is three, and you have two political parties, somebody is not going to have a fairly good chair when the music stops in terms of balance. i think we have to be very thoughtful as we move forward, and again, i know my time is up, but the major points that i want to impress is what i am after here is making sure we indeed protect the consumer, educate the consumer against predatory practices come against abuses that have caused so much of the problem we are in today, while at the same time ensuring that he does not lose that valuable access to credit. >> i would like to recognize mr. royce for one minute. >> thank you. the july 21 deadline is fast approaching here. we will soon be left with an agency unlike any other in any way this is britain. for the first time, there will be a director who serves a set term, whose authority is complete over the organization and has thousands of dollars outside the appropriation

there would be little incentive for workers having in their personal what was demonize despicable a by baucus and harry reid and president of on a as the cadillac you remember the cadillac benefits need to be taxed and restrains the contribution they make to make millions of dollars for the uninsured riches of idea but we knew then that what we had then three years of struggle it was not a cadillac it was a chevy and but if we do not universalize our demands which should be paid by statute if we don't find a way to beef of social security and increasingly there will be a pending on the private sector against the public sector of the public and private sector i was on a talk radio show in 1981 and got a call from the autoworkers from the gm plant they wanted the four day workweek city was ranting and raving how difficult it is to be the autoworker blah, blah, blah the uaw comes out this was one dumb model builder becaus

spencer baucus of alabama. and there are other bills in his committee as well. they'll consider them all in votes. >> why the concern over a committee rather than one person? >> i think the concern is that you are taking the agency and changing its structure right as it's getting rolling. it is trying to get set up. we would have the president have to nominate five people. they would have to get through senate. and they would have to get started. it would delay the agency even further. if this were done back when the bill was being considered -- and it was discussed while the bill was being considered, and it was ultimately rejected, it might have worked because then there would have been some planning. but we need a strong director to compete with the occ, the agency that failed us. but we also don't need the agency to be wrecked while it's still being built. so there's two issues. >> as far as the director should elizabeth warren be that director? >> absolutely. i don't think there's any leader of any civil rights or consumer or labor group in the country that

put differently, the baucus bill proposes paying five people to do one person's job. and then giving each of those five a staff and paying for office space for all of them. this is classic big government bloat and waste. what's more, by having five people doing one person's job, which seems to be the overriding concern about the cfpb, will be diminished and leadership less effective. there's no reason to adopt a five-person commission if a direct juror good enough for the -- [indiscernible] representative duffy's bill. it's frankly astonishing that anyone would propose to strengthen the veto. the bank regulators given the veto are the very ones who failed to ensure both bank safety and soundness and consumer protection. in the private sector, these regulators would be out of a job. they would not be rewarded with the veto. the duffy bill would require a veto if the resume making were inconsistent with bank safety and soundness. let me explain it to the committee it means profitability. it's nothing more than profitability. a bank can only be safe and sound if it is pr

i will start with chairman baucus's built which restructure is the see of pd soo is governed by a bipartisan commission rather than a single director. we strongly support this reform. first, far from singling out the bureau for special treatment the bill would conform the bureau to other independent federal agencies including those responsible for consumer protection like the ftc. today almost all independent agencies follow this model. moreover the decision to place a single director in charge of the bureau far from being essential to the original conception of the agency was made quite late in the legislative game. the original draft bill proposing a consumer protection agency included a commission as did the bill that passed the house in 2009. second we think the chamber believes that a commission will insure better, impartial decisionmaking. collaborative the liberation among the commission was the first few of expertise and background would be the better policy outcome. by contrast beaters to buy an individual director is likely to lead to an approach over the years. the cftc has a toug

baucus: mr. president? the presiding officer: the from montana. mr. baucus: i ask unanimous consent that the following staff be allowed on the senate floor duration of the debate on srz 493. lucy emerson andijan none obe oberdean. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. baucus: mr. president, today more than 47 million americans rely on medicare for their health care. for more than 45 years seniors have had access to affordable, dependable health care that medicare provides. we all recognize the cost of health care. we know it's growing and growing too rapidly. the landmark health real estate form law that we passed recently took broad steps t to rein in costs and i'm willing to work to root out fraud and waste. last week the chairman of the house budget committee, congressman paul ryan, proposed a play that would end medicare as we know t rather than providing affordable health care paid for by medicare, as is the case today, under the ryan plan seniors would receive a voucher to purchase private het insuranc--health insurance. not get benefits

the time equally divided between the two leaders or their designees, votes to the votes listed blow, baucus, stabenow, rockefeller 216, mcconnell 183, coburn 187, inouye, coburn 273. that there be no amendments prior to the votes and the motion to reconsider be made and laid on the table, all after the first vote be 10 minutes in duration, the amendments be subject to a 60-vote threshold for adoption. that upon the disposition of coburn amendment 273, amendment number 184 and 217 offered by senator coburn be agreed to, and that no amendments be in order to the coburn amendments 184 and 217 prior to their adoption, and all of the above occurring with no intervening action or debate. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection, so ordered. mr. reid: mr. president, i appreciate everyone's patience in regard to getting this consent agreement. none of these votes are going to be easy, but they're votes that are necessary. mr. president, i would also say in relation to the statement made by my friend from colorado -- i forgot who is the senior senator between the senator in the c

the baucus amendment would exempt some of the smaller ones. frankly, i think everyone knows that that is something that really wouldn't work. in fact, somewhere here i have the quotes from the american farm bureau. well, i don't have it right here but by and large what they say is that they want to be sure that everyone understands that you can't pass the baucus amendment because that will just -- you -- you could exempt some farmers and some other smaller people, schools maybe, churches, but with the higher price of energy, it all trickles down to them. so that's why the american farm bureau, the association of manufacturers and others are very much in -- in favor of my amendment. the other one is the -- the rockefeller amendment that would merely delay it for two years. the reason i'm opposed to this -- and on the floor of the senate, senator rockefeller made some statements on the floor the other day that weren't very flattering and that's unlike him because normally that's not the way he would do. he -- unfortunately my effort was dubbed a

wait for volume to and if you want more positive comment on those negative reviews like ed and her del baucus review in the new york review of books 24 february. they, as see comments on both of them and comes down on the side of what he calls the old gray lady, the new york times editorial. he would not have been faced by these kinds of criticisms. he says in the autobiography, i believe that the trade of credit in the feature, music, and the trauma that is the most degraded of all trades and that it has no real value, certainly no large volume. however, let it go. the will of god that we must have critics and missionaries and congressman and humorous. we must bear the burden in the meantime. he was fairly steady in that view of critics. he was asked by his older brother to read one of his compositions. he refused saying that the great publics, the only opinion worth having. that is just another way of referring to his submerged audience. allow me to of leave those critics behind and talk of a bit more about the papers. you can see from the slide, just a little section. mark twain got into t

so that's why senator baucus, our chairman of the finance committee, and i have introduced a resolution. this senate resolution calls on the senate to oppose this radical voucher program. medicare has been providing affordable health care for seniors and disabled floridians and americans for decades and decades. it is a very popular program with our seniors. medicare should not be dismantled. it should not be turned over in a voucher program to insurance companies that will eliminate choices. it should not be turned over to insurance companies that will increase cost. and certainly, seniors' health care should not be turned over to insurance companies. madam president, i yield the floor. mr. grassley: i ask that the calling of the -- no a quorum has not been called. i would ask unanimous consent that adam r0ollof of my staff be allowed on the floor during this period of time. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. grassley: madam president, we're all in kind of pins and needles wondering what the president is going to say today in his speech on the budget at george washington uni

billupport chairman baucus' which would restructure the cfpb so it is governed by a five-member commission rather than a single director. we need to build a system of checks and balances that cannot be matched. the commission model has worked well for other agencies. it would help ensure that our actions are measured, nonpartisan, and result in dallas, high-quality rules and effective consumer protection. consistent with our support for commission structure, we support strengthening regulatory revolt -- review ofcfpb rules. we support congressmen that the's bill which would change the voting requirement from a two-thirds vote to a simple majority. the proposal would also changed the standard to allow for a veto over rule that is inconsistent with the safe and sound operations of the united states financial institutions. the current roll puts at risk the safety and soundness of the banking system. this is nearly impossible to meet and is extraordinary leap are full to banks and consumers. language has been proposed to further broaden the standard to allow the -- we believe this standard wou

piggyback on that, a number that i know i cited in the past panels is at least a couple of years ago max baucus of montana who had the leading role in the health care negotiations received 13% of his funds for election campaign finance from the state of montana and the other 87% from people that have interest in the committee and the previous one was also correct and it seems like we actually have a fair amount of agreement here, but i think the largest problem facing this country right now is that at almost every level of government except for a brave and courageous individuals, corporations are now in charge. [applause] >> if i could add one thing. i don't say this to be facetious, justice scalia never covered a session of the texas legislature. i'm not sure that i want them with the balance of power, but i don't know that the state legislators are the places that should be choosing the centers today. >> i'm so sorry that we are out of time. >> i'm trying to pull the threads of the panel together to see if i can find some common ground, and believe me, this is very challenging, but i think i

piggyback on that, a number that i know i cited in the past panels is at least a couple of years ago max baucus of montana who had the leading role in the health care negotiations received 13% of his funds for election campaign finance from the state of montana and the other 87% from people that have interest in the committee and the previous one was also correct and it seems like we actually have a fair amount of agreement here, but i think the largest problem facing this country right now is that at almost every level of government except for a brave and courageous individuals, corporations are now in charge. [applause] >> if i could add one thing. i don't say this to be facetious, justice scalia never covered a session of the texas legislature. i'm not sure that i want them with the balance of power, but i don't know that the state legislators are the places that should be choosing the centers today. >> i'm so sorry that we are out of time. >> i'm trying to pull the threads of the panel together to see if i can find some common ground, and believe me, this is very challenging, but i think i

we have to first understand as chairman baucus said, where we have been to understand where we are going. there has always been throughout history this perception, assumption, red herring -- what we are experiencing is the result of those dynamics. i'd really has nothing to do with racism, how much a taxpayer makes, what entitlements are cut, it is a matter of what we value. value, like true, is what we all proceeded to be. host: we are here until 9:00 this morning. the house is in the early. they will continue working on the faa reauthorization and one of the other measures is a resolution concerning the budget. it suggests that if the senate cannot find a compromise, the house version should become law. that will be debated today. we have a link on our website if you would like to read what that resolution is about. we will talk to rob woodall about that when he joins us at 7:45 a.m. richard, you are on c-span. caller: the answer to the question, should we risk a government shutdown is, absolutely. it is really not a risk. it would probably be a blessing. most people would not even kno

piggyback on that, a number that i know i cited in the past panels is at least a couple of years ago max baucus of montana who had the leading role in the health care negotiations received 13% of his funds for election campaign finance from the state of montana and the other 87% from people that have interest in the committee and the previous one was also correct and it seems like we actually have a fair amount of agreement here, but i think the largest problem facing this country right now is that at almost every level of government except for a brave and couragus individuals, corporations are now in charge. [applause] >> if i could add one thing. i don't say this to be faceous, justice scalia never covered a session of the texas legislature. i'm not sure that i want them with the balance of power, but i don't know that the state legislators are the places that should be choosing the centers today. >> i'm so sorry that we are out of time. >> i'm trying to pull the threads of the panel together to see if i can find some cmmon ground, and believe me, this is very challenging, but i think i might

number one, i was watching a program chaired by max baucus about a week ago. he was talking with david cohen , who would takes toward levy's place in the department treasury which is now running intelligence and anti-terrorism campaigns. our department of treasury cannot get our books balanced but they are running around trying to bankrupt iran, and that is the purpose -- to bankrupt iran for the sake of israel. this is the important thing he said. he said we have 19 offices under cohen'sevy's or david shop working of financial intelligence and anti-terrorism. i think that is outrageous. point number two -- looking at a letter being circulated by rabbis in the united states. support for and loved of israel is the center of our rabbinate -- we need money from the congress. make sure the congress keeps israel on its foreign aid dole. host: we are focusing on taxes this morning. caller: no. 3 -- host: is it related to taxes? caller: what kind of question you're asking questions of you are conditioning us. we are not children, liddy -- that is not the question. it

piggyback on that, a number that i know i cited in the past panels is at least a couple of years ago max baucus of montana who had the leading role in the health care negotiations received 13% of his funds for election campaign finance from the state of montana and the other 87% from people that have interest in the committee and the previous one was also correct and it seems like we actually have a fair amount of agreement here, but i think the largest problem facing this country right now is that at almost every level of government except for a brave and courageous individuals, corporations are now in charge. [applause] >> if i could add one thing. i don't say this to be facetious, justice scalia never covered a session of the texas legislature. i'm not sure that i want them with the balance of power, but i don't know that the state legislators are the places that should be choosing the centers today. >> i'm so sorry that we are out of time. >> i'm trying to pull the threads of the panel together to see if i can find some common ground, and believe me, this is very challenging, but i think i

nelson of florida, cantwell, hutchison, ensign, demint, and from the committee on finance, senators baucus and hatch. mr. durbin: madam president, i ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to the immediate consideration of senate resolution 136 submitted earlier today. the presiding officer: without objection, the clerk will report. the clerk: senate resolution 136, to authorize document production in united states v. douglas d. hampton. the presiding officer: without objection, the senate will proceed to the mairchlt. mr. durbin: i ask unanimous consent the resolution be agreed to, the preamble be agreed to, the motions to reconsider be laid on the table, with no intervening action or debate, that any statements related to the resolution be placed in the record at the appropriate place as if revmentd. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. durbin: i ask unanimous consent that the senate noid proceed to the consideration of senate resolution 137 which was submitted earlier today. the presiding officer: the clerk will report. the clerk: senate resolution 137, supporting the goa

senator mark pryor, senator john boozman, senator michael bennet, senator max baucus, senator johnny isakson, senator mark kirk, and senator tim johnson. the presiding officer: without objection. mrs. hutchison: that brings the total to 58. senator casey has been a wonderful supporter in this. he is the lead cosponsor. 58 united states senators have stepped up to the plate and sa said, this is not an option for us to equivocate for one minute. so, mr. president, i'm waiting to get two more cosponsors which will show that we have 60 and that we want to act as a united states senate, and i am hoping that senator casey and i could get the ability to bring our bill up and pass it. very simple, very clear. military pay and those who are serving our military in civilian capacities will not be delayed because they're going to report to work and they need to have the peace of mind to know that the mortgages that they have, maybe our direct lines to the mortgage companies, are going to be covered. that is the very least that we could do as we are arguing about whose fault it is going to be if

senator baucus is interested in this. we have had some meetings. corporate america wants to get those tax rates down. it will encourage job growth here, which is our first goal. r number one goal. at the same time, there are lots of loopholes that should be closed. i think corporate tax reform is easy. i winced -- i would include that in the overall group of six. >> another hot issue for business is interchange fees on debit cards. they have put in a bill that would push off for two years. do you think that this necessary? >> it was passed rather quickly and then not have all of the hearings and everything else that lots of the rest of the bill did. i think the bill is a very good bill. it attempts to repeal large parts of it. it is generating an lot of steam and the house is not going to be look very -- looked very positively on in the senate. there is some momentum left by the senator that has done a great job to delay it. >> would you like to see a vote on that? >> i think there will be a vote. >> this year? >> i think that there will be. >> do

spencer baucus of alabama. and there are other bills in his committee as well. they'll consider them all in votes. >> why the concern over a committee rather than one person? >> i think the concern is that you are taking the agency and changing its structure right as it's getting rolling. it is trying to get set up. we would have the president have to nominate five people. they would have to get through senate. and they would have to get started. it would delay the agency even further. if this were done back when the bill was being considered- and it was discussed while the bill waseing considered, and it was ultimately rejected, it might have workebecause then there would have been some planning. but we need a strong direcr to compete with the occ, the agency that failed us. but we also don't need the agency to be wrecked while it's still being built. so there's two issues. >> as far as the director should elizabeth warren be that director? >> absolutely. i don't think there's any leader of y civil rights or consumer or labor group in the country that doesn't t

they voted against the baucus amendment, the stabenow amendment, the rockefeller amendment. i refer to those as cover amendments. you don't get much cover when they get less than 10% of the vote. now is the chance to do something. if you really want to do something that is going to stop the overregulation that is so offensive to the majority of people in this, we can do it with the inhofe-mcconnell amendment. first of all, the cost of this we know what it is going to be. the cost is going to be in the neighborhood of $300 billion a year, the largest tax increase in the history of this country. secondly, what do you get? i've often said, people have said, inhofe, what if you're wrong? what if these greenhouse gases are going to destroy this country? if we're wrong, let's look at the response we got of the administrator of the environmental protection agency lisa jackson when we asked her at a public meeting if we were to pass these regulations or any of these cap-and-trade bills, would this have the effect of lowering greenhouse gases? the answer is no because it would only a