when mary mcleod bethune once visited the white house, one of the security guards referred to her as auntie. and she said which one of my sister's children are you? [laughter] that's what mary mcleod lot of credit for being very liberal, certainly he did sign executive orders that had forced. >> guest: right. >> host: but he didn't quite live up to his outside -- >> guest: no, he didn't. eleanor did. both publicly and privately she did push very aggressively on civil rights issues, sometimes to the point where her husband kept saying that's enough, you know? if i keep pushing in this direction, i'm going to alienate, again, the southern states, and they won't accept the rest of the new deal, the rest of my agenda. but privately, roosevelt was in this pattern of trusting his african-american staff very much. roosevelt was paralyzed, his legs were paralyzed from polio. he had been paralyzed, got polio when he was about 39 years old. an irony because it's a young person's disease, and he never could get the use of his legs back. he was always afraid of of fire, that he would be caught i