. >> yeah, which should be clear you to if you read mr. safire's headlines. he's sort of famous for pushing to the limit the pun-ability. i remember, he wrote one not too long ago about paul song gas. it was about the womanizing question, the bad conduct -- no, the womanizing question, something es, and paul tsongas, and it was called, wine, women and tsong. i almost called him and said, all right, you win this year. >> what about your column, though, that goes out beyond "the new york times"? do you also write those headlines? >> they do that themselves, but the "times" ones, what you see on the times op-ed page, we have done the headlines ourselfs? >> how long has that been a tradition? >> as long ace know. i have to tell you, i have never been blindsided in my life as when i filed my first column and after i filed it with the copy editor called me and said, what's your headline. wait a minute, i don't write headlines, editors write headlines. once i got used to it, i got to really like it. what about the people that write op-ed pieces. >> no., they don't.