defense league is well documented and we had last night the leader of the english defense league actually issued a threat on live on national television saying that you know in five years you can expect similar attacks in the in the u.k. so the link there is very very strong ideology ideologically they come from the same place yes the tactic this individual decided to take was different however he's not alone he's already told the police but you know this fifteen to eighty people out there who are ready to do what he's done is declaring himself to be long to the knights templars you know where we're going back into the history here he's bringing up. rhetoric of the crusades so this man is not acting alone he's not deranged he's not a lunatic he knows exactly what he's doing and he did it in a calm collected and very very well organized way how on earth can this be done the planning there was for years without being detected from the security services or anyone else simply the answer is simply because that disproportionate amount of time has been placed on looking at one strand of terroris

defense league. of course we will have groups who are satisfied and we will have other groups who say that the governments are not doing enough they are not discussing the issues enough. in this going forward in the future i think this nor their attacks it will bring this topic into the center of the attention again and they will force. officials as well as public to focus on these issues again the move towards nationalism is pan european as well as the b.n.p. making gains in the u.k. holland's controversial good builders now leads the country's third largest political party running on an anti islam platform in nationalists the truth in its redrew the political landscape this year when they won nearly twenty percent of the vote but danish people's party has also embraced anti immigration policies successfully lobbying for denmark to close its previously open borders with germany and. there's grass roots support for breathing to disturbingly depicted on the internet by some extremists as a hero three

so for example the english defense league is by far the largest. they have 72,000 members on facebook and they attract on average 2,000 to 3,000 members to their demonstrations. but that is significantly larger than other groups in other european countries. so i was just in denmark doing research, and the fringe groups there are more in terms of 20 to 30 active members but with the broader membership of around 300 to 400. so that was in denmark. so it's quite a large degree of variation. >> and david art, you know, right after this latest incident, of course political parties everywhere, right wing or otherwise, denounced the act and wanted to separate themselves. now how did that jive with the normal process there between some of the right wing political parties and the more extremist groups? do they try to separate themselves normally? >> normally, yes. and i mean the issue, one of the issues with breivik of course is that he was a member both of the progress party. he was a member of the youth wing before leaving the party-- and of the extra par

so for example the english defense league is by far the largest. they have 72,000 members on facebook and they attract on average 2,000 to 3,000 members to their demonstrations. but that is significantly larger than other groups in other european countries. so i was just in denmark doing research, and the fringe groups there are more in terms of 20 to 30 active members but with the broader membership of around 300 to 400. so that was in denmark. so it's quite a large degree of variation. >> and david art, you know, right after this latest incident, of course political parties everywhere, right wing or otherwise, denounced the act and wanted to separate themselves. now how did that jive with the normal process there between some of the right wing political parties and the more extremist groups? do they try to separate themselves normally? >> normally, yes. and i mean the issue, one of the issues with breivik of course is that he was a member both of the progress party. he was a member of the youth wing before leaving the party-- and of the extra par

the main one is the uk called the english defense league. now these groups mainly organize demonstrations. they're very kind of loosely organized. and we've seen the growth in these movements across europe and scandinavia to varying degrees of success. we're actually currently in the middle of doing research into street-based movements across europe. and as i said it varies significantly. on the one hand you have the very far extreme neo-nazi type groups and then the broader groups that are more populist and more focused on anti-immigration. so you definitely have seen a broader mobilization in the past three or four years of these groups. now the violent side of it is still quite small. but the risk is that the rhetoric of these broader groups, these street-based groups can feed into the individuals like breivak who are more motivated towards violence. >> and is it known, as much known about how well organized these groups are either within countries or in different countries? >> well, it's difficult to determine. like i said, the organizat