so i could say now that islam is islam. but in reality, there are a global networks of terrorism and radicalisms. and if i am talking about networks in indonesia, in the middle east, in southern -- in the philippine and many other places. >> rose: are they connected? >> somewhat they are having connections, one to another. that's why in dealing with radicalism in the region and combatting terrorism we need to work together. end knees ya, malaysi ya, the philippine, thailand, and of course with other countries in other regions. >> some of the people who i know look at indonesia today and say they see or they fear rise in radical terrorism. >> yes. i can see to a certain degree there is an escalation of radicalisms in many countries. probably we could see also that kind of wave that happens in indonesia. but i could say that those groupsre actually small. -- could be yes, the answer. but i believe that we could manage, we could contlhe diffence o radicalists, groups here in indonesia. empowering religious leaders, by insuranc

you don't have to be an islam expert. by the book. but you don't have to be an islam expert. you don't have to be a political junkie. but daniel ipad, turn off again. 15, 20 minutes a day. get informed on what's going on in the world. you owe it to yourself, your kids and your grandkids. monument is tremendous changes are happening right now in the muslim world that you need to know about. as i describe in the book it is in your back yard. >> host: if you just read conventional media you're going to get that impression that this is the data from generations of imperialism. how do you get around that? you want to read "the terrorist next door" the wet places people can go to educate themselves? >> guest: thank god for the web. there is a site called jihad watch.org. it's an incredible reap -- resource. jihad watch.org. drudge report is a great site by highly recommend just off the top of my head, jihad watch.org. join with like-minded people. you have social media. you can find people who are concerned about this jihadi islamist threat. think of the tea party, grassroots. acts

islam was doing that all the time. this all began with the takeover the kuwait. >> host: that signaled a lawlessness familiar to the president of his own country. i wrote iraq was a country governed by torture and physical intimidation. to push further, you mentioned the mistakes that followed the invasion of iraq, and as i look back, one of the most overwhelming mistakes naive enthusiasm about democracy and knocking out all of the pillars that the iraqi state that had been building since 1920, that state had been, you could argue kidnapped by the party, but it did have its own character, the universities of iraq were among the best in the arab world. the quality of engineering, of intellectual work, famously the iraqis were known as the germans of the arab world because they had this fairly rigging rows approach, and iraq was a country relatively speaking where women had substantial rights, and what i saw, and i spent -- i covered the war on the ground ops and watched it from 2003, 2004, and 2005, and what i saw was t

version of davos: the world islamic economic forum. >>unlike davos, this meeting changes location each year and this summer for the first time was held in central asia this summer; in astana, the capital of kazakhstan, current chair of the organisationon the islamic conference and an economy of growing global importance. >>today we witness a seismic shift in the demographics of global economics. a resurrection not only of increased trade connection between different regions such as southeast asia, the middle east, africa and central asia, but a coming together of its peoples and with it a greater understanding of cultures and various traditions. >>reporter: aside from the usual round of discussion on the halal industry and islamic banking, there was a sense delegates wanted to tackle deeper issues in the muslim world, most notably its underperformance economically, along with unemployment and poverty, highlighted in a keynote address at theforum. >>gdp growth for muslim countries as a whole was only 2.1% in 2009 - a relatively low grow

no way atrocities could set in motion unseen islamic movements across europe thanks for the watch. well see british science. because. markets. can find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to cause a report on our g. keep. following the welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the color of charism as norway comes to terms with its most horrific attack on its soil since the second world war a plethora of questions than answers how could this assault be planned and executed under the radar of the authorities and as the west focused too much on islamic groups instead of homegrown extremists and terrorists. can. start. to cross talk the rise of far right nationalism i'm joined by my guest in london ali he's chair of the muslim safety forum and stephen gassy a spokesperson for stop islamization of europe all right gentlemen this is cross type that means you can jump in anytime you want but first let's see how the oslo attacks may influence political discourse in europe. wow ok the tragedy that struck norway

and what i'm trying to get out of this book is that islam or islamism, that version of islam remains with a mentality that is a civilizational mentality and it doesn't fit within its own -- their subject within their own because of sharia law and how they see the cosmos and international systems as well, okay but don't bring that into our diplomacy. they say we have to because the way we see things. >> host: let me ask you a few questions, just poke at the edges of that thesis. and start by asking about efforts to modernize states and political cultures in the arab world that we associate with the so-called arab renaissance or the foundation of the baath party. the baath party very specifically wanted to create modern state institution that was not depend on islam. that were post-ottoman, that were not little slices but were part of an arab nation that was imagined, but very specifically had room for christians, muslims, jews, if they would remain, the whole appeal was for a secular state, it was argued, a modern state. >> guestis that an effort you would endorse in principle, puttin

releases the names of victims from friday's twin attacks as the expense warned of the spread of and see islamic sentiment in europe could lead to more atrocities. nato led peacekeepers are deployed along because of those in northern border with the calm escalating ethnic tensions over attempts to enforce a trade embargo the e.u. and the us led international condemnation of the action that resulted in one police officer being killed. now it's across talk is coming up next year and of course in the wake of noways mass murder the people of el now in his guests discuss the likelihood of such atrocities ever being replayed repeated elsewhere do statements or not. wealthy british science. guys. markets. can find out what's really happening to the global economy for no holds barred look at the global financial headlines to name two cars a report on our team. can. follow a welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the color of terrorism as norway comes to terms with its most horrific attack on its soil since the second world war a plethora of questions demand answers how could this assault be planned and

manifesto posted hours before the carnage denounced the government's failure to protect norway from islamic influence nurtured and europe's growing climate of hatred that comprises a mix of enter immigrant sentiments racism and economic recession brave exposition mirrors a civilised political debate about multiculturalism across europe. this not to cultural approach syndic we simply leave starbucks so much and a happy about each other this approach has failed or to feel the attacks have unveiled questions that strike a chord with politicians across the entire political spectrum what does it mean to be european tolerant and open the answers to these questions until very different outcomes the most extreme of which was played out in oslo question but now hans public opinion and policy makers since the nine eleven attacks against the us the western world has focused its attention and resources on what it deems a security threats from the islamic world so will the attacks on our slow carried out meticulously by a right wing christian prompt the west to acknowledge the new face of a modern day t

and what i'm trying to get at in this book is that islam or islamism, that version of islam remains with a mentality that doesn't fit here. they are substantive in their own view because of shari'a law and how they see the cosmos. and the international system says, well, okay, but don't bring that into our diplomacy. even though we have to because this is the way we're thinking. >> let me ask you a few questions just to poke at the edges of that piece of that and start by asking about efforts to modernize states and political cultures in the arab world that we associate with the so-called arab renaissance or the foundation of the baath party. the baath party very specifically wanted to create modern state institutions that were not dependent on islam. that were post-ottoman. that were not little slices of the caliphate but were parts of an arab nation that was imagined but very specifically had room for christians, muslims, jews if they would remain. the whole appeal was for secular states, it was argued, modern states? is that an effort that you would endorse in principle putting aside

, i guess, and when i say islam, it's arabic, islam it means the peace and so i'm curious to know how i guys feel about that and how about mall col as a young islam in america how he was directing african-americans to understand it and to study it and to understand -- the understanding of jihad which means struggle in arabic but, yeah, it means struggle and how we all struggle and we all have our personal struggles but it's really within. it's not about pointing fingers and saying, this person is harming me but we really have to do the work on the inside. so pretty broad question, but i'm very curious to know what you guys feel about mainly the question is, how do you feel about malcolm leading the black community to learn and understand islam. >> okay. well, you know, my wife in the nation of islam under elijah mohammed, right, as a young girl. she was 16 years old and had left left catholicism or was on her way. i get it confused. i know she was under catholicism and then under the nation of islam and was reading malcolm x's book. had it snatched out of her hand and was reprimanded

a myriad of some of the language that he used against islam is at the moment but he is diametrically opposed to stop islamization of europe's tactics and methods and strategies because we have always been a peaceful organization we've always had demonstrations conferences and i've written articles. and such events are always authorized and okayed by the police and author it is here we are a peaceful organization and this woman is in my view a one off i live in the north of england and recently we've had a car does not make this point because. it is an exception that proves the rule really in the north of england not far from where i live we had a similar event of mass. and nobody knows what the motivations were for the horrific attacks this man is reported to opinion and his limits we have no record of him joining our group told he was summarily thrown out of the facebook group which is the fleetest contact that he had with us. so if he was found out that he had nazi links or your nazi links he was thrown off because be fundamentally anti totalitarian as a group we oppose not only is

he's chair of the muslim safety forum and stephen gosh he is spokesperson for stop islamization of europe all right gentlemen this is cross type that means you can jump in anytime you want but first let's see how the oslo attacks may influence political discourse in europe. hardly a tragedy that struck norway on friday has become yet another grim reminder of the growing threat of far right extremists and a problem long since recognized unresolved and europe with the body count still in progress authorities and politicians in europe are left to re-evaluate the spread of domestic radicalism and possibly recast the profile of a modern day terrorist little sense of grief over such a high death toll as a result of the bombing of a federal building in los low and the shooting rampage at a labor party youth camp i think we have a. story or pencil dividing lines. in order to receive it. we can be big to the admission of the need to ask hard questions particularly how one man was able to burn such destruction without being stopped will want to make sure that we like all those any lessons there are

islamic. terrorism decrease you know perhaps this threat coming from the whole growing extremist underworld we increase all right thank you very much for that analysis of insight justyna dargon a research fellow with the dubai initiative thank you. well again a reminder of our top story for you the latest we have is that at least eighty seven people are now confirmed dead after a shocking a shooting spree at a norwegian youth camp and that attack came shortly after a powerful blast in downtown oslo which claimed at least seven lives a thirty two year old in a region man is being held in connection with both events and it's reported he belongs to a far right movement a second man was detained by special forces around an area where the victims' relatives had gathered but it's still not clear if he is a suspected gunman as well. and of course we'll be keeping you up to speed with the latest developments in norway throughout the day and night and we'll have more expert comment and analysis of the

islam has bloody borders. so, in so islam has bloody borders. so, in some sense this takes on from that point but freely are we talking about here, and what i'm trying to get out of the book is of islam or ignatius, that version of islam remains with a mentality that is a civilization of mentality -- >> they are substantive in their own view because of the sharia law and how they see the cosmos and the international system okay but don't bring it into our diplomacy even though we have to because -- was to let me ask you a few questions to poke at the edge of that thesis, and start by asking out efforts and modernize states and political cultures in the arab world that we associate with as other arab renaissance or the baathist party. the baathist party specifically wanted to create modern state institutions that were not dependent on islam, the riposte ottoman. there were not little slices of the caliphate but for parts of an arab nation as was mentioned but very specifically have room for christians, muslims, jews if they would remain, and the

. >> women in islam are treated as half of a man. just by virtue of making a woman less than a man, it is very oppressive in itself. placing them in the back not allowing them to drive in saudi arabia. they have to be seen as a piece of flesh. they have to cover themselves. >> god is on the move in the muslim world. dr. youssef says they are turning to christ like never before and many experiencing dreams and visions from the holy spirit. >> we just talked to an imam who saw jesus in a dream. he woke up, got into the call number on our channel the kingdom set and talked to a person who led him to christ. now he is a wonderful servant of the living god. this happened on good friday of this year. i can tell you many, many stories like that. >> testimonies like this inspire christian around the world to keep praying for muslims. youssef said ramadan is an important reminder that the time for christians to act is now. >> we need to pray for them because the only way that that wall of islam will be broken is through the "power for life" p

so there are two forms of islam that find their way here but immigration islam only finds its way here because the nation existed in indigenous institutions. it is part of what makes that initial slur towards president obama muslim and then what we know, when they say muslim what they mean is the n word. we know that those things are linked and so part of their the pain, the absolute pain of the moment of the killing of bin laden is that we all feel that jc barack obama, get them, take them and simultaneously he had to kill osama bin laden to do it and he had to kill the muslim to do it. the black president had to kill the muslim and then though -- gave the credit to the white president who ain't around these parts no more for having done it. so we feel that because we know that there are -- it was like black people wearing the nypd hat post moment. when i saw black men in the city of new york, while rudy giuliani was vague mayor wearing nypd hats as a reflection of their solidarity with the americans stayed over and against the islamic terrorists, okay so all right the beauty of the n

they stood up against this islam islam islamic ra sheem trying to get them to become muslim. it is a buffer in south africa. >> there have been attacks in border regions. >> the north is trying to determine the border. they want to mandate what the border is without the south having a say. this border area is rich in oil. in april and may it was over a billion dollars. they want to clear the people and make it secure for the oil. they want to determine what the border is. >> this new nation is facing a refugee crisis, isn't it? >> yes, tens of thousands are refugee. so they had no homes to return to. many of the people from the recent fighting have no homes. big humanitarian crisis in south sudan. >> what does the future hold for south sudan? >> it is bright if people can help them and build roads and in essence tugss. tugs. >> the world watching, what should we pray for? >> for the peace of sudan and pray that many more people come to the lord. so pray for the peace of sudan no. 1, no. 2, pray that more people will be open to the gospel and have an opportunity to hear it. >>

and islamism which stems from islam. no historian can deny that islamists basically invaded kristendom. >> walid shabat's message is the epitome of good versus evil. he has a pedigree that makes him an expert. islamic terrorist turned ultraconservative christian. a u.s. citizen because his mother is american, he is a darling on the terror circuit, the church and university circuits, and yes, he believes the war on terror is a holy war. he portrays himself as a man converted and on a mission. once a jew-hating, bomb-throwing terrorist, now a devout christian convert warning the world islam is out to destroy you. [ speaking foreign language ] >> that's how you recite the koran. i know the koran inside out. english. if you meet the unbelievers, then smite off their necks. but what part of smite off their necks do you americans not understand. >> his message before a largely positive crowd of cops and emergency responders at this south dakota homeland security conference, trust no muslim, especially those who organize. >> kn

nation of islam has few numbers before malcolm x and once mao:joins the nation of islam he is paroled from prison on august of 1952. the next 12 years he works day and night to transform the nation of islam and not just as a religious institution but a political institution. when we look at malcolm x, he is the quintessential organizer. what is interesting is in the last year of his life he doesn't have time to organize the organization of afro-american unity. some say how come he had less than 500 followers at the time of his death? he had helped organize a group making millions of dollars that was now global in scope and he was under threat of death last year of his life and tried to organize two different organizations. i will conclude by saying what is so important about malcolm is he was a local organizer who transformed the black freedom struggle but impacts what we mean by democracy. he has a long running dialogue with people like martin luther king or organizations like student nonviolent coordinating committee for emmylou hater. transforming democratic insulations. if we excl

is i think you can accuse him of the opposite of having sort of an islamic phobia. and i think what through i was talking about with hamas a finger exactly explains it i think you are right rightly so say enormous concerns about islamic groups of all shapes but in the united states and very far so i think that's a that's a for as you said you should point out you know you know the majority we really don't know what the majority is i mean yes we have maybe a million people in tahrir square but each of these. huge countries but million people really the majority i mean we've seen historically you did notice is that the best organized for political forces are the one bit take over and as much as historical comparisons are not always the right thing to do iran is a great example of that so an organized force that has a massive popular support like the brotherhood can take over and i want to think the brotherhood will are going to say what i tell you this is crucial important this is one of the groups that are not organised one of the issues of this program is hijacking

to be turned into states ruled only by islamic law. any plans to enforce sharia law in u.k. are completely ridiculous. >> it's totally nonstarter. it's nothing but a public stunt. most muslims, are law-abiding productive citizens in this country do not wish to have sharia law here. >> reporter: christian leaders say, one of the towns affected by the proposal, are deeply disturbed by the plan. david told cbn news. what was it that frighten people in the country? it's a very small group. they try and get as much publicity as they can and it worries people that somehow we will subject to sharia law. terry quinn is on a to relaunch it. >> many muslims in the area are welcoming. so, the extremist group don't represent what the muslims really believe. >> reporter: he believes these proposals don't represent the wishes of muslim population there. >> clearly they are -- they do not speak for the vast majority of muslims. they don't speak for the vast majority of people. >> reporter: christians are fighting the proposals saying islamic law is compatible with britain's christian herit

cross to lorenzo dino he's an academic and security expert who specializes in islam and political violence in europe and north america are you folks this is cross talk that means you can jump any time you want my very much encourage it to go to you first in rome what is the condition of the revolution now is it lived up to expectations is it going in the right direction what it's read it's all our lives to say that it's lived up to expectations because if the first expectation was that mubarak step down yes he did is he in trial today yes he hears but is that enough for the people that lives in egypt every day of liberty freedom dignity democracy i think we're far away from that. that the behavior of the military is is the part that we need to watch out very closely because what they're doing is they are giving a long leash to the people saying yes we will do it not today tomorrow but the question is they still holding power yes they are and they want to keep it for a long time and what do you see even the tension between moslems and christian cops and all of that it's just i think it's a

is the number of of islamic terrorists one percent i think it's closer to ten percent but the rest of the p.c. world will tell you oh no it's miniscule but even close quote it actually is minuscule but by the way our nation focuses on islamic terror you think glenn was right but the truth is muslims are the least of our nation's worries when it comes to terrorism as this chart based on f.b.i. data shows only six percent of terrorist attacks six percent between one nine hundred eighty and two thousand and five were carried out by islamic terrorists just six percent. yes just this month right winger david uri shell shocked me released a scientific study alleging that eighty one percent of u.s. mosques speech are attacks that promote support violence. you can find similar language in the bible by the way it was picked up by numerous online right wing blogs including many of the same blogs the graphic was written course this study and no scientific evidence whatsoever to support it and the guy who wrote it david you're a sean me at a history of anti muslim writings and is behind a lot of

this hasn't put a good face on islam. it says there is either in the friends to or acquiescence and perhaps even enabling and party to these kind of abuses. so my question would be at the united nations the genocide convention has the a you done anything or any other regional body and finally come to you know of any muslim clerics, he longs for the sample, who've spoken out against the abduction and of course islamisation. the pertinent part of the commission is that it is the deliberate and systematic destruction in whole or in part of an ethnic and racial religious or national group and it seems to me the forced islamisation and that is not just the woman with the children she bares, with said within the definition of genocide against the cops in egypt. and finally, michele clark, with regard to what you're talking about earlier in your opening comments about the course, fraud and conversion and the trafficking fits -- this it's the trafficking definition as to what is going on. you said and i think with emphasis is no