no question. >> if it contrasts to the huge crowd that surrounded senator balkman's tent. a rather spars crowd but appears to be 100 or fewer at the pawplenty tent. >> i just came back from governor pawplenty's tent. grabbed a bite of famous dave's barbecue, and the crowd was dwindling no question. he was with the crowd under the tent taking pictures with moms and kids and shaking hands and he looked relaxed and energetic. but the crowds looked like they were dwindling and there's no energy there and what you're seeing in congresswoman's balkman tent. >> before the voting concludes at the straw poll in ames, iowa. summing up the day with rick perry entering the race and president obama in iowa monday and tuesday with a keen eye on 2012 and theo candidates that have just entered this race? >> well, it's very interesting, at the iowa state fair yesterday, we saw jars and there were coins or tokens in the jars for you to put into the jar of whoever is your candidate. and there was one for president obama and then a jar for each of the republican candidates and the obama jar w

i was really disappointed with michele balkman, because she just panders. she had a great sea pack but ever since then she just panders. so i'm real disappointed with her. >> do you have a candidate in this race? >> no. i'm kind of wandering through the field. thaddeus mccarter has a speech that put it into the 21st century and how we could be empowered through the internet with what's going on. and herman cain, i like him. i just like him. and rick santorum, i think he's getting a bad wrap from the media. and ron paul, he lives in fantasy land and is shown to be the most selfish kind of american there is. he doesn't want a foreign policy. and tim pawlenty is just an old ordinary politician, that's all he is. >> thank you. outside the coliseum where tim pawlenty and others have their tent and trying to erin courage people to vote at the straw polls. it's just past 4:00 and the voting has concluded. the calculations continue and are expected in the next hour. from houston, go ahead. thank you for waiting, andrew. caller: no problem. thank you for taking my c

he has romney and balkman both in his sights. he went from south carolina to new hampshire, new hampshire which mitt romney has to win to be nominated. then he went right to iowa, went right to waterloo. bachmann's home town and then went to the same event and sat there and clapped for her periodically during her speech and she ignored him. rick perry is the guy everyone needs to fear right now because he has got everything it takes to win this nomination today. >> laura: he he has a lot of bravado, kirsten. he remained at the dinner when she spoke. apparently she was not present during his speech, which kind of rough feld some feathers. she was in her campaign bus outside, idolizing outside of the dinner when she spoke literally. >> she is not available. she is not -- she is acting like a celebrity versus going in and mixing. >> laura: i saw her mixing with the people at the straw poll. she was amazing. >> i'm talking about the dinner. >> laura: great politician. >> they are if a fat particular call about -- fanatical. reminds m

>> i'll put that in the context of what we're talking about with the military and what romney and balkman said. it's not just generals who fight the last war, it's politicians. to talk about the doctrine of overwhelming force, the powell doctrine is so yesterday. what we have found in afghanistan, what we saw in the killing of osama bin laden, it's the rise of special forces. it's the raise of sale team six, it's general petraeus' war ideology. they're not fought with the doctrine of overwhelming force. chris: that's so expensive. >> so expensive. the president can say, you're not even talking about the reality anymore. by the time the election happens, we'll be out of libya, withdrawing from iraq. we're just not going to hear about this. we'll hear about apology tours and how the president doesn't embody american exceptionalism. another cultural issue. chris: another way to say, we're going to take our country chris: welcome back. john, tell me something i don't know. >> for the entire republican presidential campaign, people assumed mitt romney was not going do to compete in iowa. with

. >> michele balkman >> i have a very consistent record of fighting very hard against barack obama and his unconstitutional members in congress. i brought tens of thousands of americans to washington to fight the unconstitutional, individual mandate. when it came to cap and trade, i fought it with everything that was in me, including i introduced the light bulb freedom of choice act so people could purchase levels of their choice. >> tim:t was the first remember they were also running against president obama. >> where's barack obama on these issues? you can't find his plans on some of the most pressing financial issues. where is barack obama's plan on social security reform, medicare reform, medicaid reform? anybody in this auditorium or anyone watching on television, if you can find barack obama's specific plan on those items, i will come to your house and cook your dinner. [ laughter ] [ cheering and applause ] >> or if you prefer, i will mow your lawn. in case he wins, i am limited to one acres. >> in the most interesting substantive question and relevance, all of the candidates wer

balkman is considered the likely winner. if she doesn't, that would be a setback. this is a do or die moment for tim pawlenty. he has essentially acknowledged it saying if he doesn't come in first or second he will have to, quote, reassess his campaign and perhaps down size it. there are some who say if he doesn't make the first two, or maybe the top three, his campaign is effectively over. and then there is always the possibility of a shocker sort of surprise, juan. you can never rule out ron paul in the straw poll. >> juan: that's what i was going to ask you. last time he did very well. this is a guy who consistently turns out people. 30, $35 to vote. he does it he gets the troop to the battle. he gets them out. is there a chance that ron paul could win tomorrow, carl? >> absolutely. and frankly, there are some juans who are a little bit worried about that. they cherish the caucus here and cherish the straw poll. there is some sort of establishment republicans that afraid if rope paul pull off victory eclipseing pawlenty and bachmann that might finish issue in th

clearly they're both from minnesota, paw lentier's the former governor and balkman is a come from minnesota. it's hard to tell exactly why this occurred. one thing is clear that is campaign was ready for it. this was really something remarkable in the enormous media filing center at the event last night with laptops clicking away and newspaper writers filing pieces, the bachmann campaign was in the room handing out literature on pawlenty's record during the course of the debate. >> she was also asked about the bible telling wives to be submissive and asked if she would submit to her husband if she wins the presidency. she said to her submission means respect. here's what she told lester holt. >> i was happy to i was able to talk about my wonderful husband. i think it's important to talk about respect. we've been married for 33 years and the basis of our marriage is respect. >> being submissive is not really about being respectful. maybe that's the way she interprets it. when she's going out and campaigning with women and especially independent minded women, i don't mean that in just a polit

balkman is considered the likely winner. if she doesn't, that would be a setback. this is a do or die moment for tim pawlenty. he has essentially acknowledged it saying if he doesn't come in first or second he will have to, quote, reassess his campaign and perhaps down size it. there are some who say if he doesn't make the first two, or maybe the top three, his campaign is effectively over. and then there is always the possibility of a shocker sort of surprise, juan. you can never rule out ron paul in the straw poll. >> juan: that's what i was going to ask you. last time he did very well. this is a guy who consistently turns out people. 30, $35 to vote. he does it he gets the troop to the battle. he gets them out. is there a chance that ron paul could win tomorrow, carl? >> absolutely. and frankly, there are some juans who are a little bit worried about that. they cherish the caucus here and cherish the straw poll. there is some sort of establishment republicans that afraid if rope paul pull off victory eclipseing pawlenty and bachmann that might finish issue in th

and the only candidates in my party who have them are romney, perry, paul, balkman and huntsman. why is this why? don't do it. i challenge them. don't do it. join with me. let's restore some honesty and faith and purpose in this system. don't do it. they are phony, and i promise that the american public will learn every detail of every one. special interest trying to buy influence. super packs run for and by the candidate. in fact do you know under the interpretation of the law, the candidate himself or herself can go to the fundraising dinner of the super pack and speak! oh, there's no connection, is there? it's a joke. except our country is on the line. look at -- reform campaign reform which got me in this. i'm small city, bank, not quite $1 billion. built it with these hands. one loan at a time. took no penny of bailout money. not a dime. and unlike the big boys on wall street, if we don't do the right thing, if we don't hanour commitments, we fail. read gretchen mohr 'tis on sunday in "the new york times," the best as she details the banking scams and the phony reform that w

people like michele balkman who don't want to vote for any increase in the debt ceiling. it's hard to find a deal that she's going to support when she doesn't to want raise the debt ceiling. for democrats, there's really a sense among liberal groups and among democratic lawmakers that they got a bit rolled on this deal, and that president obama didn't quite go to the mat for them as hard as they would like, and their big gripe, of course, is the deal includes no taxevenues. that's a big problem. i think carrie can certainly speak better to this than i could, but i think the president is really going to have to sell this. guest: he is, and part of yesterday, democrats were coming out very strongly against it, and the white house aides were saying this is based on incomplete information, faulty reporting, really, from some information that had come out the night before. and they they felt when they briefed us last night that once democrats learned the details of this, they would become more comfortable. and there are certain things we're going to hear them talking about. th

my final question is are we going to ask rick perry, mitt romney, and michele balkman to see their birth certificates? thank you for having my call. guest: i have to say to the caller thank you very much. again, i know for many people who are not people of color, you probably get tired of the same question over and over and over again. but turn things around and put yourself in the position of a person of color who hears that large swath of the american public want to return to the 1950's. what does that mean if you are a black man or a black woman? you're a housekeeper? you live in a racially divided country, separate but equal? different bathrooms, water faucettes, everything. when you see people so adamant in saying i want to you prove that you are an american citizen and that you deserve to be in the office that you inhabit, you have to ask yourself, does not a large part of this have to do with the fact that people are so angry that we have somebody black who's leading the nation? guest: well, i can't deny that. the birth certificate thing is absurd. but most americans rejected it.

people like michele balkman who don't want to vote for any increase in the debt ceiling. it's hard to find a deal that she's going to support when she doesn't to want raise the debt ceiling. for democrats, there's really a sense among liberal groups and among democratic lawmakers that they got a bit rolled on this deal, and that president obama didn't quite go to the mat for them as hard as they would like, and their big gripe, of course, is the deal includes no tax revenues. that's a big problem. i think carrie can certainly speak better to this than i could, but i think the president is really going to have to sell this. guest: he is, and part of yesterday, democrats were coming out very strongly against it, and the white house aides were saying this is based on incomplete information, faulty reporting, really, from some information that had come out the night before. and they they felt when they briefed us last night that once democrats learned the details of this, they would become more comfortable. and there are certain things we're going to hear them talking about.

this is how bad michelle balkman is beating the president in all the polls. newt gingrich, newt gingrich -- >> is that a surprise? >> newt gingrich is even with the president in all the polls. e.j. dione wrote a column that says not only does the president sound like jimmy carter, he's increasingl looking like jimmy carter. none of what we're talking about is going to solve the real-life problem the president has. we need to think much bigr, change the subject and present something brand-new to america so the president is seen as leading our way out of this to big things, not traditional leverages that we may have. i think the solution is to go back to what happened for america in 1940, 1941 before we entered thworld war when we were seen as the armament of democracy and we started to get the world ready to solve a problem. we need to do that now with energy and become the armament of energy. and i think therare only two ways for the president to go. they are polar opposites and we need to make the remmendation to the president for which one of these huge cou

partisan publicanof the partisan i guess my final question what he rick perry, mi romney, and michele balkman to see their birth certificates? thank you for having my call. guest: i have to say to the caller thank you very much. again, i know for many people who are not people of color, you probably get tired of the same question over and over and over again. but turn things around and put yourself in the position of a person of color who hears that large swath of the american public want to return to the 1950's. what does that mean if you are a black man or a black woman? you're a housekeeper? you live in a racially divided country, separate but equal? different bathrooms, water faucettes, everything. when you see people so adamant in saying i want to you prove that you are an american citizen and that you deserve to be in the office that you inhabit, you have to ask yourself, does not a large part of this have to do with the fact that people are so angry that we have somebody black who's leading the nation? guest: well, i can't deny that. the birth certificate thing is absurd. but most amer

i think michelle balkman and dennis kucinich presidentially. do you think putting aside the big government aspect that mandatory voting has one good aspect in that more people would vote and it would be more roughly representative of the whole society? >> that's an empirical question, obviously. but we know it does have participatory voting -- i mean mandatory voting and that's not planned politics and canada doesn't and it has fairly nicely run politics and can't imagine a country more centrist than canada, maybe switzerland who have lower rates than we do. but it doesn't correlate well between centrists. america is not a country -- look, i'm a libertarian. the problem with libertarians, two of them agree, so each of the other one has sold out. but that's part of america. we want to be a tolerant country but not a country that demands we all agree to consensus. and i think a lot of the contentions we feel about, can't we all be nice is our unhappiness that not everyone agrees with us. many of the examples norm gave are true. i mean, yes, chris

my final question is are we going to ask rick perry, mitt romney, and michele balkman to see their birth certificates? thank you for having my call. guest: i have to say to the caller thank you very much. again, i know for many people who are not people of color, you probably get tired of the same question over and over and over again. but turn things around and put yourself in the position of a person of color who hears that large swath of the american public want to return to the 1950's. what does that mean if you are a black man or a black woman? you're a housekeeper? you live in a racially divided country, separate but equal? different bathrooms, water faucettes, everything. when you see people so adamant in saying i want to you prove that you are an american citizen and that you deserve to be in the office that you inhabit, you have to ask yourself, does not a large part of this have to do with the fact that people are so angry that we have somebody black who's leading the nation? guest: well, i can't deny that. the birth certificate thing is absurd. but most americans rejected it.

i think michelle balkman and dennis kucinich presidentially. do you think putting aside the big government aspect that mandatory voting has one good aspect in that more people would vote and it would be more roughly representative of the whole society? >> that's an empirical question, obviously. but we know it does have participatory voting -- i mean mandatory voting and that's not planned politics and canada doesn't and it has fairly nicely run politics and can't imagine a country more centrist than canada, maybe switzerland who have lower rates than we do. but it doesn't correlate well between centrists. america is not a country -- look, i'm a libertarian. the problem with libertarians, two of them agree, so each of the other one has sold out. but that's part of america. we want to be a tolerant country but not a country that demands we all agree to consensus. and i think a lot of the contentions we feel about, can't we all be nice is our unhappiness that not everyone agrees with us. many of the examples norm gave are true. i mean, yes, chris

this is how bad michelle balkman is beating the president in all the pol. newt gingrich, newt gingrich -- >> is that a surprise? >> newt gingrich is even with the president in all the polls. e.j. dione wrote a column that says not only does the president sound like jimmy carter, he's increasingly looking like jimmy carter. none of what we're talking about is going to solve the real-life problem the president has. we need to think much bigger, change the subject and present something brand-new to america so the president is seen as leading our way out of this to big things, not traditional leverages that we may have. i think the solution is to go back to what happened for america in 1940, 1941 before we entered the world war when we were seen as the armament of democracy and we started to get the world ready t solve a problem. we need to do that now with energy and become the armament of energy. and i think there are only two ways for the president to go. they are polar opposites and we need to make the recommendation to the president for which one of these