for many years karl rove was a sacred holy man in the republican... >> really? >> during the bush administration... >> not my holy man. what are you talking about? >> jon: i thought he was considered the... they referred to him as the architect of the... >> is that really it? >> yeah, but are... why do you think he is not finding these candidates acceptable because they seem to be utilizing strategies and policies that he would approve of? >> you would think. but at the end of the day, you look at someone like rick perry, who has really come out of the gates strong. you can't control him. he has his own set of ideas, his own way of doing his thing. you cannot put him in the box and say, okay russia you going to do it this way. and we, the establishment, whoever they happen to be, approve. the same with the sarah palin. you notice, you can always... >> jon: i like how you refer to it as "the sarah palin." she's just a noun at this point. >> she is also a good friend. she's a good lady, but she's not... i don't think she's running. >> jon: so you think the issue t

rove does not want rick perry around and he's searching for someone else. >> karl rove knows that rick perry is the same oddball who said that the bp criminal disaster that took place in the gulf of mexico was an act of god because he had to say that. he said bp was not wrong at all. karl rove knows that rick perry has more statements like that than we can count. and a guy like michael here, has to defend rick perry on the air, and -- >> no, i don't. >> on my side of it, i go back, and this is like shooting fish in a barrel. >> michael. >> wait, wait, wait a second. add chris christie to this debate. what about that guy, how much fun are we going to have with that guy? the truth is, karl rove knows, the republican party -- >> gentlemen. >> disastrous disarray. >> james moore earlier tonight on this program, and on my radio show earlier today said that rick perry is going to waltz to the nomination. michael medved, are you okay with that? >> it's not true, it's wide open, and with very strong potential new candidates. there will be a huge rush if paul ryan gets in. >> all rights we'll h

you know millions of dollars from karl rove and the koch brothers and carpet bombing the state with television ads or have they been able to mount a tea party based or or republican grassroots based door to door get out the vote effort like the democrats are or is the. effort you know you're found you're a big fan of the tea party i want to tell us some of your your friends from the tea party who were here this weekend he drew dozens. of the koch brothers express to keep through there in the state and they said some pretty crazy hateful things comparing. the holocaust and i think some other things to what's going on in politics they stuff that's totally out of bounds as you would expect with the koch brothers funded groups but there may have to rely on fear and it's the only motivator they have left because even republicans independents virtually the whole state has rejected the scott walker agenda no matter what happens tomorrow night so walker has lost any authority to govern people have seen through him this movement has served to end the status quo the status quo is no more here in wiscons

are you taking advice from karl rove or exploiting him? >> no, karl rove is a smart person when it comes to republican party politics. he was saying that for a reason. the reason is clear. he thinks this feel is move too far right to be elected. it's like one of those things if it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger. that's the rule that applies to mitt romney. he's looking presidential, standing in the middle, getting attacked from the right. they may take him down and they'll produce probably in all likelihood a candidate who can't win in the fall, but if they don't, it will make him long strong e. back he looks more reasonable. >> if you talk about turmoil in all of the people to be the not-romney, all of this accrues to mitt's impend fit. >>> the journal yesterday described the republican field of candidates and their prospects. republican and independents are desperate to find a candidate who can appeal to appeal across the disparate private economy. if the current field isn't up to that, perhaps someone still off the field wi

because he kept saying he was going to get rid of karl rove style politics. look, this is exactly what they are going to do. it is the only way they can win. i hate to say it, conceivably, if we have a weak candidate with a weak response to this kind of thing, they could conceivably win. >> sean: but it reinforces everything that i saw and some of us conservatives saw looking into his background before the election. he's a rigid ideologue, can turn on a dime. i'll give you an example of the tone-deafness. the president is still planning his weeklong vacation in martha's vineyard. his wife took a secret vacation to oregon. the rest of us struggling to make ends meet. he doesn't seem to have a plan to get us out of this, except more of the same. more qe3. it seems like he doesn't get it. >> he didn't. he's run out of ideas, because the liberal ideas he has pursued over the last 2 1/2 years haven't worked. you are right, unlike clinton he can't say something didn't work and i need to be more pragmatic and move to the center and do something different. this -- th

so i think karl rove is right here. the time frame is narrowing for her to actually make an entrance. but he's also right in the sense that this type of speculation is what she thrives on. she sells books off this stuff. she gets continued access to any meat pie she wants off this stuff. for her to play the victim card here, which is something she has done frequently in the past, is ironic. but with regards to the calendar, you know, we are actually running into some sort of time period here, an actual election in iowa, will happen either in late december or potentially late january or early february. so it's time to start campaigning. >> mia, this bad blood between rove and palin, is this sort of just a stand-in for the rift in the republican party between the tea party and the old establishment republicans? >> in some ways, it is. and you'll see that i think play out a lot with perry and romney. you have seen it already, when he talks about private sector experience, and he says, romney has had this private sector exp

i was watching that karl rove interview. it seemed to be that he was pretty preteshed over the fact that perry wanted to distance himself from george w. bush because the comparisons are coming pretty quickly on the campaign trail. what's going on here. >> right it was governor perry's answer, laura, to our question posed by our own carl cameron this week in des moines that riled loyalists. asked about these similarities between himself and the last texas governor with presidential ambitions and governor perry said in essence i'm paraphrasing that we're not all carbon copies down in texas. one way easily distinguish between us he went to yale and i went to texas a&m. country now as a whole being exposed to rick perry on the national stage first time is catching on to what people in texas have known for some time. this is the somewhat tangled relationship between the two men, between governor perry and the whole bush family and bush machine if you is equal parts tension and cooperation. dates back to first run alongside each o

i recently extended the olive branch to karl rove. in order to make barack obama one term president we have got to unite. is he continuing to bash the tea party. i just don't get it. all i can think that maybe he does think that compromising is the only way republicans can win. but i say let me put forth his point of view. what i get from karl rove because is he on the program every week. he believes there are some people competitive against the machine like barack obama's and some people who just don't have the experience. it's about experience rove and other establishment republicans think it's personal. go. >> that's why i wrote the book. people could understand i was qualified and they could no who i am. karl rove continued to put out misinformation about me and my background even though we gave him the information. the other thing about it is that i was ahead in the polls before the republican infighting. i was leading against the democratic opponent before my own party turned on me and cnn exit polling shows that was sell wouldn

karl rove. he founded a group to elect as many republicans as party . here in the studio democrat bill burton. he is heading up a group designed to put democrats in office. bill, start with you. economist jeffrey sacks said this week. we are almost three years in the administration and there's never been a plan and the people feel he didn't lead. we have no agreements and leadership . i think it is odd that the vacation is on vacation . it is no joke. it is not just a august up and down little blip but a serious situation. this is not a republican candidate or lawmaker, but it is an economist that supported president obama. is this a problem for the president on vacation. >> you don't need to be a economist to understand that middle class families are -- when he came to office 700,000 jobs were shed. right now we have seen 2.3 million jobs added to the recovery and the president has done things to help the economy to grow instead of shrink. he's not had willing partners in the republican party to move forward. >> bret: why not put out the plan before th

because karl rove ran that campaign. remember, it was karl who made rick perry go to republican. but when he ran for lieutenant governor perry was on the verge of big race and wanted to go negative but karl wanted to run the numbers up so george bush would look presidential and he held rick back from going negative. there's been antipathy on political direction, then it got very bad in the water recently with that primary campaign against kay bailey. the bushes have always been with karl and karl has always been with the bushes. >> why were dogs around the country getting riled up last night by the republican debate. what a strange event that was. they heard doorbells, these the dogs. i >>> back to "hardball." now for the side show. first up, there may be no clear answers to who, if anyone, came out on top on last night's gop debate. but some of the most heated reactions to the events may have been sparked by an unlikely group of spectators -- dogs. each time a candidate's time to respond was ended a bell went off. >> if i'm the president of the united states -- [ bell ] >> when

karl rove gives president obama a b minus. what grade do you give him? >> you know, bill, i think president obama is the worst president since james buchanan in the 1850s. fair is fair. by dumb luck or planning or whatever he got libya just about right. i give him a strong b plus maybe a minus. are we there yet? why did it take so long? pretty quick for this sort of thing. casualties very low. nato had none. this is about as good as war gets. it's not a video game. >> bill: mccain and rove both say that if america had taken the lead in the air power situation, it would have been cut down from six to two months. thereby saving civilian lives and other lives in the conflict. what do you think? >> well, if we would have had the atomic bomb in 1942 -- >> bill: didn't have the ability to do that though. we didn't have the atomic bomb in '42. >> i think that was wanton criticism of obama, who is not my favorite guy. the rebels were disorganized mob in the beginning. they had to to slowly figure out how to be a semi organized mob. we saw in the last weeks and m

that, karl rove and much more, that, karl rove and much more, coming up. you could save a bundle with geico's multi-policy discount. geico, saving people money on more than just car insurance. ♪ geico, saving people money on more than just car insurance. over time, my lashes thinned. after 40, i didn't have enough lashes. i'd heard of latisse® but had questions. my doctor said... latisse® is the only fda approved prescription treatment for inadequate or not enough lashes. now with latisse® my lashes are longer, darker, with more than double the fullness in 16 weeks. if you are using or have used, prescription products for eye pressure problems, use latisse® under close doctor care. latisse® use may cause increased brown pigmentation of the colored part of the eye which is likely permanent. eyelid skin darkening may occur which may be reversible. if you experience eye problems or have eye surgery, consult your doctor. common side effects include itchy eyes and eye redness. i trust latisse® and i use it too. my lashes changed as i got older. now i us

karl rove warned yesterday staying right may not win the general election. here he was on fox. >> you don't want these candidates moving so right in the republican primary that it becomes impossible for them to win the general election, because it will become a self-defeating message in the primary. people want to win. he don't want somebody who goes so far to the extremes of either party that they lack a chance to carry a victory off in november. >> and later last night, rove pushed the idea to chris christie and paul ryan are reconsidering running for president. not sure if that's true. seems the republican establishment, the bush crowd, is looking outside the field. can they convince a grown-up, if you will, to run? not much success with others. let's bring in steve mcmahon. democratic strategist, of course, and republican strategist todd harris. you know these people. i get the sense when rick perry came in this weekend, it's sort of, the cake was baked. these other four people we kept talking about, haley, christie, they're not being asked to come in. i

>> bill: continuing with karl rove austin texas. i think president obama handled the libyan thing pretty well. what do you. >> i think he handled it adequately. he did a courageous thing by engaging in it. after all this is a by this condemned his predecessor's emphasis on democracy in the middle east. on february 28th he said qaddafi must go and then slow solid and delicately and awkwardly began to engage he did something that ran against counter. the policy is handed up. he ran too slowly. i think he mismanaged it this thing would have ended sooner and with less loss of life. it's not speculation. it's not speculation. i have confidence in the american military to deliver a lethal blow and flying surveillance and refueling missions is not the -- >> bill: here is the boxscore. no americans killed. costs kept down. air power and mediterranean would have been unleashed you would have had a lot of civilian casualties. bombing they did. >> not what you and i are discussing is speculative. qaddafi is gone after six months. is he out. no

with all due respect, it's karl rove, well known conservative republican writers. we're talking about republicans including wall street republicans and politicals. i gived governor mcdonald the fan and a friend of governor perry's who's his successor at the head of the republican governors association. >> that's the beauty of a primary debate. >> governor mcdonald said he's not a partisan in this, he said he would not have used those words. in fact, he suggested that he would say that president obama is a patriot and a great american story. why challenge the president's patriot simple? >> that's great. they have an opinion some people would use those words and others wouldn't. the fact of the matter is i think it's a good thing in america that we have a rigorous debate in this country. we understand that our economy's in a ditch. we have a president that's not engaged. i think that we have a lot of passion not only on the republican side of the aisle, but for people who are independents and people who love america that we need to get serious about our debt and defi

it's the good the bad in the very very petty a kill of the weekly ugly good karl rove i'm not really. really karl rove said something good it doesn't mean he is good he just said something good and that's worth noting suppose it interview on fox so-called news rove went after the idea that america is a christian nation. but we're based on the judeo christian ethic we derive a lot from it away if you say we're christian nation what about them what about the jews what about the muslims what about the nonbelievers of you want to great things about our country is the first amendment guarantees you the right to believe or not to believe as you choose while off the reasonable coming from bush's brain karl rove sounds reasonable you know for a fact today's republican party is totally whacked out but bad. republic middle school back in two thousand and nine a seventh grade special needs student at the school and this is in springfield missouri reported that she was raped by another student but the school didn't report the incident to the authorities and instead accuse the girl of line and con

that, karl rove and much more, coming up. host: could switchino really save you 15% or more on car insurance? host: do people use smartphones to do dumb things? man 1: send, that is the weekend. app grapgic: yeah dawg! man 2: allow me to crack...the bubbly! man 1: don't mind if i doozy. man 3: is a gentleman with a brostache invited over to this party? man 1: only if he's ready to rock! ♪ sfx: guitar and trumpet jam vo: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. my son and i never missed opening day. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought ose days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly ove my lung function, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for suddenymptoms. ith symbicort, today i'm breathing better, and that means... game on! symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infections, osteoporosis, and some eye proble

really hurt a former white house spokesman appeared on fox yesterday morning and ripped apart karl rove i mean completely got to go. what is his action he has yet to put pen to paper and issue a jobs plan or a deficit reduction plan or the last nine months of plays a second about ideological rigidity it comes from my issues would you want to run this karl but as someone who was a leader in the white house that turned a record surplus into a deficit that got us involved in a war that we never should have been and turn to for the new york stock exchange into a casino i don't think the american people are quite ready to hear a lecture from you i'm good governor hold on what are you. i was i appreciate the insult i'm. i appreciate the end sold as i don't suppose that i have said or does it whatever the matter and as a fact of the matter is. it's the real mystery that much of the blame for today's troubles fall the fate of the bush administration and karl rove it sure is nice here in the facts called out once in a while even if it is on fox so-called news and bad senators john mccain and lin

i certainly put some credence to karl rove. he's one of the guys who beat me. >> reporter: do you think she should run? do you think she should be president? >> that's a decision that is so personal. it has to do with your family and all of these things. it's hard for me to know where sarah should run or not. i think she would be very formidable. by the way, we have all these frontrunners. i remind you that, in 2007, at this time i was done. if you might recall. my campaign was doomed. a lot of things are going to happen. i hear, for example, maybe rudy giuliani is going to get in the race. i think he would be very formidable. by the way, congratulations to tim pawlenty for running a hard race. he's a good person. >> reporter: let's turn to the other republicans who have announced they're running for president: mitt romney, michele bachmann, rick perry. they all opposed the debt ceiling deal. you were on the senate floor during the debate. you criticized republicans who opposed the deal. you called them "tea party hobbits." wou

rove i mean completely got to go. what is his action he has yet to put pen to paper and issue a jobs plan or a deficit reduction plan in the last nine months plays a second about ideological rigidity it comes from those issues would you advise him on this karl but as someone who is a leader in the white house that turned a record surplus into a deficit that got us involved in a war that we never should have been and trying to for the new york stock exchange into a casino i don't think the american people are quite ready to hear a lecture from you well good governor what are you. guys i appreciate the insult i'm. i appreciate the insult as i don't it's only about you it's a you're going to say whatever the matter is and as a fact of the matter is if you think. it's a real mystery that much of the blame for pity's troubles fall at the feet of the bush administration and karl rove it sure is nice hearing the facts called out once in a while even if it is on fox or news a bad senator and lindsey graham the two republicans

karl rove, who you just saw for a mementoo that was a tease -- karl rove on why there could be even more candidates who may enter the race. that's coming up. we'll talk to him about all of that. bill: you know they took the nation by storm during that health care debate, but is the tea party seeing a slide in support? we have two leading tea party members to talk about that this morning. martha: and it was the shot of a lifetime, bill! $50,000 at stake. watch! in she goes. very good. but could the cold hard cash be frozen because this kid and his dad in the end weren't honest about something? what was it? we'll tell you. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a living, breathing intelligence that's helping people rethink how they live. in he, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broaand experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. ♪ we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. i

the chemical didn't care for me so they got karl rove to recruit perry to run against me and then karl rove ran his campaign. this guy who is really in service to himself. but to get there, he knows who is buttering his biscuits. i assure you that. that is the money interest. you can see ohis big con trib aughtors here. it is koch brothers, exxon, and that's who it is. >> we will certainly bring you both back to talk about this as we deal with more rick perry. thank you both. joe biden is in china. but he missed this one. a brawl breaks out when the georgetown team is in china. but it wasn't the only scuffle that broke out there today. stay with us. [ man ] they said i couldn't win a fight. but i did. they said i couldn't fight above my weight class. but i did. they said i couldn't get elected to congress. but i did. now i'm trying to make it in music. ♪ sometimes when we touch ha ha! millions of hits! [ male announcer ] the new hp touchpad starting at $399.99. ♪ it's schwab at your fingertips wherever, whenever you want. one log in lets you monitor all of your balances and transfe

and the sarah palin-karl rove smackdown goes another round. rove says palin has an enormous thick skin. gets upset if you speculate about her and if you don't. finally, both sides now. mitt romney weighs in on both sides of two more issue, that's in the "sideshow." we start with the latest on hurricane irene. for that we go to the weather channel. >> and good afternoon, ron. it is very difficult day here. watching hurricane as long time, and this is a very bad one. a slight glimmer of barely a little bit of good news this afternoon is now the hurricane center is thinking that this storm may not intensify quite at strong as they were thinking, but the forecast of that is difficult. in any case it looks like a direct hit on the east coast of the u.s. from north carolina all the way up into new england. look at the satellite picture. i'll locate it for you. there you see it. just now about to clear great abaco in the northern bahamas pap very large hurricane and forecasting at even larger, a move to the north. what we're looking at here, the vari

karl rove is not associated with anybody's campaign that i know of and they go at that and therefore, there are nuances and significant difference between perry and bush, for example, how they were governor. perry is a conservative, conservative and bush made a point of being a compassionate conservative. a huge difference. >> and that's overlooked in the media. >> it's ignored because it's sort of the other they never even-- met as-- >> a lot of it is he said she said. and clips on what the media is jumping on. >> corporations are people, my friend. >> printing more money is like politics at this particular time in american history, is almost treacherous or friesen. >> let's all say happy birthday to elvis presley. >> well, there it is, another treason and judy, that treason comment got a lot of play and elvis-- >> i actually thought that was worth paying attention to. you're talking to bernanke and treat him ugly in texas. if you're going to say stuff like that, is this presidential? you're running for president and i don't know that it deserves to be a multi-day story, but i think

then he ran into karl rove and karl whispered in his ear, look, you're a good looking guy, politics are conservative, and you could go north of the red river and they would be a conservative republican. it was easy for him to make the switch. karl got him money to run for statewide office. then he became lieutenant governor with bush as governor. he was on his way. he's been tack together right very hard for many years. and he's way off on the edge of the right of the flat earth with this crowd he is following now. >> now be a lot of digging and a lot of what you guys have come up with showes a different picture. he says in his book, this, about how he hates the stimulus plan. he says, we're fed up with bailout after bailout and stimulus plan after stimulus plan. each one of which tosses principle out the window along with taxpayer money. but then, we look at texas using the stimulus plan. >> right. >> this is under him. $17.4 billion of federal funds. dave, didn't we see texas using 8 billion to pay recurring state expenses? texas tribune? i mean, he is talking out of both sides of his

in minutes here, who does karl rove think won here last night? and bret baier had his hands full, trying to balance that microphone! >> are the jobs going to bam wack -- come back? >> you got to worry -- bill: they were, all eight of them, making a case to the commander in chief only hours ahead of perhaps the most pivotal gop event in the ballot for the white house, counting down to the weekend's iowa strow poll, it can be in some years a crystal ball on the presidential field, now candidates, gauging reaction to the performances in last night's debate. brand new hour for "america's newsroom", a lot to get to. like herding cats last night, wasn't it! i'm bill hemmer, good morning, nice to see you. good morning. alisyn: good morning, bill. as you're saying, everybody got in a zinger at some point. i'm alisyn camarota in for martha maccallum. they're all republicans but the only thing they agreed on is the opposition to president obama's polities. bill other than that it was partisan politics on the front and center stage. here's rick santorum and

here's what karl rove said. >> it was a very unfortunate comment. you don't accuse the chairman of the federal reserve of being a traitor to his country, of being guilty of treason and suggesting that we we treat him ugly in texas, that's not again a presidential statement. >> and then rick santorum made this comparison of rick perry about those comments. >> his comments about better bernanke, they were completely out of bounds. rhetoric that rick perry used was the rhetoric i would expect from a john conyeres saying bush should be impeached. we don't charge people with treason because we disagree on public policy. >> you had governor mcdonnell, not condemning sort of saying he should have chosen a different word and karl rove and rick santorum a different tone. >> texas is a big state but clearly the spotlight governor perry stepped into now is not like any other. he's finding quickly that that brings unique kind of scrutiny. the question is, can he really withstand that scrutiny and jump over the hurdles and negotiate between the establishment win

>>> karl rove's why the man they call bush's brain wants to take perry down. >>> plus republicans are charging admissionç to their o halls? are you kidding me? on the party of cold hard cash. >>> and elvis has left the building. why michele bachmann's latest gaffe is her best yet. welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead -- swiftboating the president of the united states. we've seen this before, the dirty that i that republicans do their differy business. we remember the attacks on the nominee back in 2004 -- >> gave aid and comfort 209 enemy. >> dishonored his country and more importantly the people he served with. >> swiftboat veterans for truth is responsible for the content of this advertisement. >> we saw similar hate-filled rhetoric at the republican rallies in 2008. >> our opponent is someone who sees america as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country. >> i hope americans know that is not what our brave men and women are doing in afghanistan. >> who is the real barack obama? >>> and, of course, we saw it with the poisonous bir