tree threat and i don't understand why the tea partiers and the koch brothers in the republican party are so hell bent for leather to create a nation where the rich people or rich people in a poor country would you know tom i really think that a lot of the people who voted for tea party candidates in the last election were not voting for rich people or not voting for a nation where rich people were getting rich or they were voting in outrage against the bailouts to wall street they did was not done by the bush administration and and they didn't realize that i had said i don't think they realized because the democratic party was party to those bell. i was bad on messaging but you're right it was a bi bi partisan bring how did president obama drop the ball in this debate and what does he like you know should he be channeling f.d.r. absolutely f.d.r. faced the situation almost identical to the situation that barack obama has faced over the past year f.d.r. in one nine hundred forty two one thousand nine hundred forty three faced a hostile congress people people now don't remember that fo

i'm blaming the tea partiers. >> i don't blame the tea partiers. >> i'm blaming tea partiers, democrats, republicans, everybody. >> that's nice. >> i tell you why i'm not. the tea party is -- i believe we can cut entitlements by $3 trillion. i think we should jump together. the tea party won't jump with me, i'm going to lead and show you where the cuts have to be made. we'll do $3 trillion without those guys and we will shame them. >> by the way, he could have had the votes without the tea party people. >> he had enough democrats. by the way, listen to this. this is funny. people can point at the knuckle draggers, all the things they called us back in '95 and '96. half the tea partiers voted for the deal. the president needed 45 more votes. if he put entitlement reform there, he could have rolled the tea party caucus. he chose not to. why? because he can't do it and won't do it before an election. they're going to demagogue paul ryan's health plan. i don't agree with it 100%, but at least he put a plan out there. where is the budget after all this time? >> missing. >> why is it missing?

partiers who are willing to calmly compromise on hacking away at the defense bureaucracy tea partiers who are willing to tax expenditures there's a willingness to to reassess how it is that conservatives govern that i don't think you necessarily would tip in their absence of but if we talk about specific candidates out there let's face it michele bachmann is considering herself in primetime party candidate he's now pushed herman cain out of the way he has support from cuts i don't understand how he can be a tea partier and be all about fiscal austerity and then also still basically be following him john mccain's part that's. well because the tea party isn't like an ordinary political party it's there's there's no there's like the rest of them aren't there but you know look you've got ron paul is just as much of a tea party figurehead sort of as michele bachmann you've got you've got to be using the tea party you got constructive disagreement there as much as you do on the right or on the left where you know of course democrats are under some intense pressure to figure out how they're

was confronted by a tea partier about that issue but you are living with your wife. so the tea party are demanding to know why president obama was talking about civility when vice president biden allegedly called members of the tea party terrorists he just kept saying well let's face it him saying that on the news everywhere the absolute he said. now i don't really know biden said that or not but for starters i would like to give that tea party or their a little bit of advice and remind to the not everything you hear or see on the news is true which is why i spend so much of my time calling them out for that and so here we get to the next element see this tea party or was very upset about being called a terrorist the president said that he understands because he himself has been the victim of being of queues of being a socialist or somebody who was born in this country but at the end of that whole thing the tea party or later told reporters that he still thinks obama is a socialist and that's where i have a serious problem the mainstream media and the right wing main

these tea partiers, that's real change. you have to be proud of these kids fighting their hearts out and going up against democrats and presidents and majority leaders, but against their own republican establishment. you may one day be a tea partier yourself, mika. what do you say? >> no. when my children were doing that, they were sitting at a pool surrounded by republicans and jumping off the board going hope, change. >> this summer, a lot of those old republicans are going to say how is the hope and change working for you. >> i'm in trouble. >> i'm impressed. >> by the tea party? >> we are going to be attacked. we are going to have every reporter using terrorist analogies against them. they are the sort of things the same journalists are doing now. calling them hostage takers and terrorists. >> they did. >> yes. the mainstream media did attack republicans for saying such things about barack obama and democrats for two years. >> the mainstream media for the tea partiers -- yeah. >> you can call them suicide bombers becaus

anyway, an excerpt of the tea party in your piece says -- so what to tea partiers have in commonalty? they are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before barack obama was president, and they still do. how do you discern that? people never seem to admit racial prejudice. how did you get to that? >> on the question of immigrants, we asked, do you think more immigration, less immigration or stay about the same? if you were a person who said i think we should have fewer immigrants, you were much more likely to be turned out to be a tea party supporter. on the question of how people perceive african-americans, we use a method that asks people to rate how they feel, are they warm or cold toward, in this case, african-americans but we also asked about lots of other groups and people as well. what we find is people seem to answer that question in a sensible way, so people that we would expect to be warmer toward a particular group, higher on that scale. if you expect it to be cooler, that's what we find. tea

you write kick those free-loading tea partiers out. it's harsh. tell me why you're so harsh! >> i'm harsh because i think that the jig is up. they being the traditional gop boehner's group were happy to ride the tea party wave because they are seeing the tea party gains. now they see what it's like and in bed about with the devil. i think boehner is frustrated because he is a rational guy and he felt obligated to this wing in his party. >> what would the gop stand to lose without him? >> well, that is the million dollar question, right? that is the reason why you haven't seen people outside of mccain call them out the way he did last week. there's some -- there's a recall election happening in wisconsin next monday and tea party will show up to protect the six gop members being targeted. i think the tea party is definitely going to have a lot of power and be here for the long run for sure but if the people end up getting kicked out, i think what you will find then is that the boehner group won't find it necessary to listen to the tea party as much because they haven't proved

partiers have deficits are causing our economic woes is exactly opposite of the truth. you know a recent a recent analysis by bloomberg news found that almost twenty percent of the dollars in americans pockets last year came from one government program or another so here we have a situation in the economy where we have a real demand problem that's the fundamental core issue in the economy companies are going to be hiring if there aren't customers looking for their goods and services and so when we're taking a lot of money out of these programs out of the public sector while the private sector is still deeply in recession it's the exact opposite of what we should be doing from an economic standpoint and from your economic standpoint there's a lot of different takes but we'll have to see what ends up on the table and how that affects the political field as well thank you so much for analysis that was senior writer editor for alter net joshua holland now beyond washington of course we're all focused on the beltway here but there is a huge amount of people that are watching

partiers are two of the three tea partiers there was a time when fred upton was actually fairly moderate and they have all signed grover's pledge so you've got six republicans have signed a pledge not to raise taxes and what's supposed to come out of those to make it work is some tax increases and some revenue cuts how is this going to worry easy i mean easy it was a c. . this committee by the way the one point five trillion i think it makes it a joke because it makes the makes the committee look like they're doing something when we need to cut way more but it's easy to do what you just said you lower rates and remove holes that increases revenues without reason package that was undoable that was that was the deal the boehner and the president all right to work in and i would have more and that's doable and eric cantor came to sir john boehner with a back and said you do that buddy you're eminently doable look you get companies like general electric played paid tax that they should be paying you not the taxes that they are paying which are done then then that's right i believe that peopl

themselves as tea partiers, heroes in the 2010 election that got elected with tea party support who just looking at the math are going to have to vote in favor of this for republicans to be able to get that 150 votes that hoyer predicted they needed with democrats delivering the rest, and tea partiers don't like it. they are not going to see the validity an argument that compromise was necessary and that they shifted the debate and moved it from a place we were talking about just a straight yes or no vote whether to lift the debt ceiling to how many trillions we would cut. >> it is in. they got the vote they need. it passed. 224 votes out of 216. the press probably go to nay now. howard, they are getting more votes than needed for the bill. i am surprised. your thoughts? >> one thing is that president obama and the democrats have been telling the leadership, telling progressives don't worry, none of the cuts kick in until 2013, which is not quite true, but it is true that a lot of cuts are back loaded, and they're saying don't worry, the super committee and other things we may try d

it's a victory for the tea partiers. the president should have never bought this equation linking raising the debt ceiling with these massive draconian cuts in social programs. do you think these are what the talks will be like from now on? absolutely unless there's a republican in the white house. then they'll raise it willy-nilly the way they did before. before we get there to 2013, we've got this dumb, i think, supercommittee that's going to -- that's where the blood is going to be on the floor. you know, the republicans are going to nominate the people who want to tear down social security, tear down medicare, tear down medicaid to that committee, and i hope we have some democrats who will hold tight there. but i don't count on it. >> dr. dyson if this is a victory for the tea party, why did so many vote against it? >> reverend sharpton, you preach the funeral today brilliantly, the eulogy of butch lose wi who was a boxing promoter. in boxing terms, they don't want a tko. they want a knockout. this is blood sport. th

partiers care. just because the right wing calls obama a socialist and i for starters believe that you should be able to say whatever you want because you have the freedom of speech in this country but if you're going to go on the airwaves and say whatever you want it's up to the media to check that i get instead of checking it the mainstream media either perpetuate it perpetuates it by using the words themselves as you just saw on fox news or they just ignore it or scoff and giggle for a second and move on like m s n.b.c. or c.n.n. but why don't we just settle this thing once and for all right here on the alone a show maybe people would stop using the word socialism all the time if they knew what it actually meant let's take a look at the definition of this word and this comes from a number of dictionaries out there socialism is any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods a sys

we want the tea partiers on that joint committee. one republican has to agree to raise taxes, for taxes to go up under this bill. chris: that call to action is matched on the left. here was the call from moveon.org -- quote, we are angry, we are motivated and we will not sit and watch. gloria, both sides at their battle stations right now. >> default. they're going to their default positions. chris: what's going to happen? >> i think it's up to this commission. it depends. we will know the minute -- the minute we see who's appointed to this committee, we're going to know whether it's going to come up with a deal that includes some kind of tax reform -- chris: mcconnell said he won't name anybody open to tax increases? >> tax reform is different from tax increases. chris: we're talking about revenue increases. >> then i think you get to the trigger. and when you get to the trigger, nobody's going to be happy. at a certain point -- look at the tea party polls. the tea party has gone down tremendously in its popularity after this whole

he calls himself, quote, the first tea partier to be elected chairman of the republican party in the nation. today, new hampshire's entire republican congressional delegation, senator kelly iott and both members of congress as well as the republican house speaker and the senate president, all called on jack kimball to resign. 22 of the 36 people who sit on the party's executive committee signed a letter informing mr. first tea party republican chairman that, quote, a vote to remove the chairman will be taken. since mr. kimball took over, there have been two special elections in new hampshire, both in new hampshire districts that tend to vote republican. and both times the republicans in those races lost. the party has also suffered financial hardships. at one point, one bank account was down to a balance of $1,300 for the whole state. the vote to fire jack kimball is scheduled for next thursday. if all 22 of the executive committee members who signed the we are going to fire you letter actually vote to fire him, then jack kimball will be out of a job. there's not yet a national story

and some new polling suggests that republicans are fired up about this texas tea partier. and what is bill o'reilly think about governor perry? we are going to hear from mr. o'reilly moments away. >> laura: in the impact segment tonight, according to the latest rasmussen poll on the contest texas governor rick perry leads the pack. mr. perry has 29% support. mitt romney drops down to 18%. 15% remain undecided and michele bachmann comes in with 13%. since announcing over the weekend, mr. perry has had some tough words for washington starting with fed chairman ben bernanke. >> is this guy prints more money between now and the election, i don't know what you all would do to him in iowa. but we would treat him pretty ugly. printing more money to play politics at this particular time in american history is almost treason oust in my opinion. >> mr. perry raised some eyebrows with these comments about the president. >> laura: bill o'reilly talked to don imus this morning about the governor. >> speaking of rick perry, is he for real? >> bill: yeah, oh yeah. absolutely viable conte

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partiers on the right some including them accused of holding up this whole process. mr speaker i rise to congratulate the tea party starting a deal made in their image and their image alone the cuts will be beat they will be lasting and they will weaken an already depressed economy what's clear is that the people already is so it logically driven to kill government that they're willing to kill the private sector kill jobs and kill growth in the profits. they have little sample of that argument now to talk about the compromise that some say rather than i spoke to senior writer and editor for alter net joshua holland now progressive that said that obama surrendered they call this a failure because it has no tax increases i asked him if obama failed on this agreement take a listen well a lot of progress is are very unhappy with the administration's bargaining tactics and they feel that they gave up. and conceded some of the leverage that they might have held over these negotiations early on so the president said that he would take this so-called constitutional option of

partiers gained ground are progressive now working to play catch up if so what would that mean for the president. shouldn't take the risk of default. the risk of economic catastrophe to get folks in this town to work together and do their jobs but it did so who are the winners and losers of the budget negotiations and doesn't even matter as the clock just keeps getting around. it's tuesday august second four pm in washington d.c. i'm christine friends out there watching our team. well let's start out the day with the way we have been starting out most days lately with a look at the very latest in the battle over the debt ceiling default and all the other strings attached to this debate and this deal that have dominated our national discussion for the last several weeks and within the bill a plan to cut budget deficits by two point one trillion dollars in the next ten years yesterday we saw this deal pass in the house with two hundred sixty one voting for it one hundred sixty one voting against today the senate also passed the bill seventy four to twenty six and shortly after president

tea partiers were happy to be the cause of the economic turmoil. >> this week, i wrote it down, they are blaming the credit downgrade on the tea party. [ cheers and applause ] >> they are calling it the tea party downgrade. >> let's bring in john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" magazine. john, with the dow dropping more than 600 points, at what point did the tea partiers stop worrying about economic hardships? >> i suppose about when they realize they have no retirement left and they are trying to take apart medicare, medicaid and social security. i's going to start to down on the base, maybe not the people paying for it. it's going to down on the base, they are threatening their own livelihood. >> today michele bachmann and mitt romney blamed president obama for the downgrade. who did s&p blame? >> look at the report. it's a nine-page report. they go on great length about the inability to compromise. look what barack obama did. i think most people here would tell you barack obama probably compromised too much. he gave them -- he was giving and giving and giving. th

if you interview lots of tea partiers, as i have, you don't find more any of them who vote democratic. occasionally, they voted for carter and regret it. this was obviously a republican group and social conservative group. it's good they point that out, because one thing the tea party did for republicans in 2009-2010 is allow them to rebrand themselves as not george bush's party, but a party about economic angst, about, among other things, keeping taxes low and protecting medicare. it wasn't about the issues that these activists, the activists, the base of the movement, really cared about. it was about a very popular brand, and that was what was key here, and look, in power they've gotten, i think, more conservative concessions completely from democrats than the last group of republicans who took over the house. >> so despite this, i hear you saying look, they are doing the no thing, which can be effective for an out party, they rebranded in a way that was necessary after the george w. bush years, but has the tea party's influence peaked when we're looking at these new and growing dis

tea partiers are eyeing big cut for next year's budget due in two months. after that, the new supercommittee of congress has to find another $1.5 trillion in debt to cut by thanksgiving. in washington, carl cameron, fox news. >> bret: the fall-out from the debt ceiling deal and what it means in the big picture. we'll talk about that with the fox all-stars when we come back. is this a good deal? i don't even know anymore. [ tapping ] well, know this -- for a good deal on car insurance, progressive snapshot uses this to track my good driving habits. the better i drive, the more i save. it's crystal-clear savings and only progressive has it. nice. this has been a public savings announcement. out there with a better way. now, that's progressive. there's another way litter box dust:e purina tidy cats. our premium litters now work harder to help neutralize odors in multiple cat homes. purina tidy cats. keep your home smelling like home. >>> it shouldn't take the risk of default, the risk of economic katz to get folks in this town to work together and do their job

you would think that barack obama was on the ballot right now and the tea partiers were hellbent for an election to make it happen. that's the intensity we have seen here in wisconsin. >> in many ways, barack obama and those that support the are on the ballot. if they got away with it, it would spread to ohio and across the country, then they have began the breaking of the infrastructure toward a real maintaining of some kind of coalition and unity in 2012. you know, i traveled in ohio with some of those, and look at what they did in ohio. in ohio you can't recall the elected officials, but you can recall the legislation. they needed 231,000 signatures to put the antiunion bill on the ballot for repeal. they got 1.3 million signatures in ohio to put that on the ballot for this fall, and i know when i was traveling around those rallies dealing with that, so this is a national movement. this is the first battle in the war to preserve our country for our working class people's right to organize. the first battle is wisconsin tonight. >> no question about it, and i think this is going to

with the tea partiers? we'll ask a strategist. and what could be the final takeover of the republican party we once knew? mark halperin is here, and interviewed governor perry for "time" magazine and john heilemann, national political columnist. mark first then john. impact statement. perry's in? >> chris, i'm sorry. could you say that again? >> what's the impact of perry coming into the race? nbc reporting says he's an actual candidate and will announce on saturday. >> i think by most metric we use to judge candidates he become as first tier candidate if he performs well in the first 15 day, i think for the time it will be a two-person race between him and governor romney. a big if, he's never done this. first time presidential candidate, but if he raises the kind of money they're talking about, fields the excitement in south carolina and iowa in particular, it will be effectively for the time being a two-person race. >> what do you make of it? two-person race? boxing out bachmann by getting in on the tea party side? >> well, as

partiers if their medicare benefits will be eroded. >> will they be established or say free radecals on the outside raring to go. something has to be done about entitlements. they are going to swallow the economy in a matter of decayeds. either we deal with the problem now or later when it becomes a crisis. >> europe is a good of what we are saying. >> we don't have both branches of the government trying to go there. >> as a european myself i would appreciate the stoppage of going that way. >> eric cantor said if the economy deteriorates, the costs on government are going to create deficits bigger than we realize. the way you do that is making a tax system and cutting rates that alows for growth. >> what is the tea party's position on growth? >> i think there is a opportunity for tax reform and the tea party will be supportive if the president wants to reduction. >> and the democrats solution is grow the government. that is not working right now. the tea party's position to grow the economy. >> this president to seize the opportunity for tax reform and lower the rates would be a defe

listen to the name who are now tea partiers also, very, very influential in american politics. bachmann. palin. steve king from iowa. louie gomert from texas. chafitz, giving orrin hatch run for his money in the senate they're for real. >> bob: that is your list of powerful -- >> eric: it is. >> bob: we may disagree with that. i look at it from a national -- look, i gave them credit for bringing this issue up to the forefront. it worked. although most of them voted against it. keep that in mind yesterday in the house. tea party people. in the off-career election. >> because it changed. >> eric: in the mid-term election, what the tea party did, it scared republicans. >> bob: they left you with three empty senate seats. we would never have won nevada, delaware or colorado if it hadn't been for the fact they nominated tea party candidates. the polling shows one thing. people believe the tea party is off to the way far right but they are getting the identity of the republican party. that is the danger. >> eric: changing miles per hour politics, moving it to the right. yes or no? >>

a tea partier or someone with a whose turn is it? thank you. we have you on in an unusual circumstance and like you to advise us. i don't want to argue with e tonight anymore than we have top what does it look like -- i grew up in a republican family in pennsylvania, moderate republicans, eisenhower, a moderate republican. liberal republican crowd, rockefeller. nixon in the middle all of those year. now atlantic loo now it looks like romney, probably running as a kid when hi dad failed to win. pawlenty running for years in his mind and new people coming into politics, some with a religious background like bachmann and rick perry. who's going to win this? someone way new kind of background in the republican party or the traditional wing, sort of the whose turn is it crowd? >> a good question and hopefully what we'll help to decide tonight at the debate and saturday in the straw poll, and beyond into the caucus and the primary, chris, but i would say this, that one person left out of this equation that there hasn't been much discussion, ron paul

tea-partier, michele bachmann, libertarian, ron paul, and others. mitt romney was not in the state. iowans came to the straw poll not for the food or music but to vote. so many showing up they waited in long lines to cast a non-binding ballot for their favorite. >> pawlenty zblrks rick santorum. >> michele bachmann. >> some not on the ballot. >> rick perry. >> reporter: rick perry passed on the straw poll joining the gop race today from south carolina. >> i will work every day to try to make washington, d.c., as inconsequential in your life as i can. >> reporter: perry's christian conservatism appealed to many of the same voters as congresswoman michele bachmann, who seemed to get the best straw poll turnout today. >> i know right now as i look across this arena here in ames, we are the team that can't be beat. >> reporter: with today's poll seemingly do or die for tim pawlenty, his backers were everywhere. this is what you needed, right? >> we are grateful for the momentum and support we have been getting in iowa. >> reporter: republican candidates getting publicity and the weeding

>> i would say to fellow tea partiers, welcome to leadership. because, once you take a leadership position, everybody shoots at you. they call you names an accuse you of all sorts of things you did not do and what happened is the tea party dominated the public debate but it matters who you ask and how you ask it. if you want to compare the tea party to april party we should look at where democrats stand with the public. 66% disapprove of democrats according to the "new york times" poll and 82% disapprove of congress and 47% disapprove of the president. so, i think that when you get into the debate and talk of details, we'll take hits but the issues that matter and are popular with the american people are tea party issues. bill: you are doing better than congress, because, congress only has a 10% approval rating and you can hang your hat on that and, we watched this moment last night where the tea party leader in iowa confronted the president about how the tea party has been viewed and i want to play that and i'll get you and ana to react. roll t

the tea partiers were fighting as much as with john boehner as barack obama. if you're willing to hold the line and the other sides keep caving, you can get a lot of ground even though you have relatively small numbers and only partial control of one chamber. >> and real quick, john, looking at the nuts and bolts of this deal which has not been approved yet, this congressional committee, we get the first round of cuts, and then the congressional committee, what is that exactly? >> well, it's a bipartisan committee with equal numbers of republicans and democrats who are going to try to sit down and hammer out some kind of a deficit reduction compromise. and if they don't, a series of things happens. including pretty draconian cuts, particularly to the defense budget. and thdomestic programs. that triggers what's supposed to force these people to come up with a plan that can get agreed to in the congress. i'm not sure that anything we've seen in the last three months indicates that there's any kind of plan that that committee can come up with that will be accept

right now i've seen these tea partiers and i understand it and i've seen some television clips i mean i just i don't know i've seen some television clips or the so-called prominent members of the tea party going back to their districts and in effect some of the people saying oh god we didn't know you were going to do this right by the way when i when i was on the plane coming here coming from washington i heard there was an earthquake the very first thing i thought oh don't let this happen. twenty five years to have a monument but more also martin i said don't let the earth quake distort the. very first thing i'm sure you find i'm sure of this but i'm concerned that the hurricane me may mess up the day there isn't really on the twenty eighth well we'll see ok it's going to be so but. in any case in there we have about two minutes left how how do you think that dr king right now would respond to president obama and to the economic situation and to the members in congress who seem hell bent on destroying the economy simply to destroy the obama presidency. first of all he would be. he wo

embedded in the article is my daily take and call the tea partiers to get even more involved in producing politics now the progressives have caught on to this actually is critically important and i encourage everyone watching to find out how to become a precinct committee person and let's together move the democratic party to the left where it historically has been and should be now we have fifteen months until the next election time to get to work finally our last comment comes from vicki via twitter she writes. a pigeon nest discovered under my porch. here's the deal it's really not pigeons they're actually cleverly painted doves these pigeons are actually robots of the planet xenu they're here to spy on us what do you see when you ever see whenever you see meetings of powerful people anywhere in the world pigeons their spies on the planet scene and that's it for my take your take tonight if you'd like your comments and questions heard on this segment the big picture listen up we want to know your to send us your comments by visiting the tom hartman facebook page but twittering at tom u

now it appears the latest one has to do with calling the tea partiers terrorists? he went on national tv last night and defended that statement and sort of turned it around and said that was the talk by other members of the democratic party when they were all meeting together in the last couple of days so here's how he clarified what he actually said. what happened was there were some people who said they felt like they were being held hostage by terrorists. i never said that they were terrorists or weren't terrorists. i just let them vent. >> let's back up a little bit and set the scene. there was this two hour meeting with the democratic caucus where they were all saying look, we can't vote for this, because you know, we're getting rolled by the republicans and there was a democrat from pennsylvania by the name of mike doyle. according to politico, they had a couple of sources that said he said, mr. doyle said we have negotiated with terrorists. these small group of terrorists have made it impossible to spend any money and the same several sources said that mr. b