and the personalities of the transitional national council hold -- can the personalities of the transitional national council hold the country together? >> unfortunately, this opposition movement has been tenuous from the beginning. i doubt that it will hold the country together without major violence. we should not forget that the country is virtually divided between east and west. for the first time in more than 40 years, the easterners control the country again. it might be that they will take revenge on the citizens, not only of tripoli, but of other cities in the west, especially in places where gaddafi comes from, and his family and main supporters. >> what about the chances that a copy might have military forces at his command -- that gaddafi might have military forces at his command? >> gaddafi is finished, but there are still loyalists in the city fighting the rebels. they will die down in the coming days. they know that the battle is now lost. >> is there any antiwar muammar gaddafi is? -- are there any reports of where muammar gaddafi is? >> i think he is still in libya, but it mi

we're seeking to free of these funds and we're working with the transitional national council. there is a need -- a meeting to in doha. there will get a better sense of their needs going forward. there is a road map towards democratic transition. >> international law makes this looks like a speeded up process. >> we have been working at it for the past couple of weeks. we're trying to accelerate the process within the committee. if that does not work we will get other methods as well. >> i have to ask you, do you know where gaddafi as? the white house thinks they are -- he is in tripoli. >> it is a situation on the ground. what is clear is he needs to relinquish power and step aside and allow democratic transition to take place. that is in the needs of the people and they deserve it. >> thanks for rbs. >> thank you. >> you're watching "bbc world news america". we look forward to what the country holds. libyas rebel leaders are seeking $2.50 billion to put the country back on its feet. >> libya's new rulers, whoever they may become urgently need cash to kick start construction i

transitional council has declared his rule over and we've all seen the images of libyan celebrating in the streets but the good biggest questions are of course what's to come now despite the fact that even our own president baracoa. made a statement the situation in libya is still fluid is still uncertain mainstream media of course has already announced that this is a victory and they've moved on to asking the really tough political questions now most of that being can we now say that obama has won can we all say that perhaps that congressional displeasure that we saw with the move that he made is going to go away is that it a little bit of congressional displeasure just some more vapid political rhetoric that supposedly leading from behind to those critiques still stand now i've got a big problem with that listen is most everybody happy that an arab dictator who's rule for more than forty years will probably soon be gone yes so is there for a reason for celebration for happiness for the libyan people who want him out despite the fact that of course the hardest times may be to come

first of throw all their support behind the legion national transitional council giving them billions of dollars and weapons to gain control but the rebels are far from being a united group what the newbie is going to face after that is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said in the beginning this is trying to construct this is not democracy against the taliban revolutions in egyptian leave you have developed under a different scenario in egypt it was an uprising the new leader in libya is really an insurgency whose brackman by the west then those weapons are still in their arms and they're not going anywhere and many analysts are saying that libya's could find themselves in a much worse situation than the egyptians because on top of power crisis similar to the wanted gyptian or having to leave you could be facing a fresh outbreak of violence that they and believe on tomorrow i'm going to shut down reporting from washington archie there are various comparisons being made with what's happening in libya with what happened in panama back in one thousand eig

national council so that the money that the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of loving. god so this is a paper book so i'm going to launch a war to war so it's a more i'm going to get a bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance the i'm a. tomorrow my war is going to the on the front page will be read the united states as a legitimate writer use it as you got to have a go though they're going to look like we're about fifty thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap not much or all right we'll have a thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hope we get to talk you've got serious and that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar now it began syria and syria today protests continued and government forces reportedly killed seven protesters that in response to unrest we've seen there for a while today russia announced a diplomatic initiative to try to stop the violence the russian ambassador to the u

they will be able to transition to something -- >> that's their name the national transitional council. by the way, the money, frozen assets of libyan companies and the country may now go to those rebels. want to bring in to the conversation our national security correspondent jennifer griffin with what can you tell us? what are you learning from your sources? >> reporter: what we are hearing now secretary general of nato has just issued a statement saying the gadhafi regime is clearly crumbling. and the sooner gadhafi realizes he cannot win the better. this is from the secretary general of nato. we are seeing a lot of reports from the frontlines. alex crawford traveling with sky news is reporting they got as close -- he is travelinging with the rebels, they got as close to green square and got pushed back because there was gunfire at the square. she reports seeing women holding babies, cheering people, shouting freedom, as they entered the city just a few minutes ago we were seeing reports that the rebels were about a mile from the city center, from that green square where we've seen

transitional council. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and as quick as possible transition to this new democratic leadership you said that the future of the libyan people has to be in their own hands but at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month will stay there for as long as it takes a quote an open ended response to that question and also clearly he's willing for it to take is as long as it possible and longer than is desired so there is some uncertainty tempering the jubilation around the rebels' presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain has said it's prepared to release them but there are for the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilizing it but there is some uncertainty is who those will go to and how they'll be used also uncertainty around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said for the time being will remain

transitional council. why should i i mean i mean let's this this thing has now been proven. beyond that they are former libyan trauma gaddafi people people very confused backgrounds so far they have proven nothing. what's behind it then what is the driving factor then do you think from nato point of view from the west is it really gas and oil and so many commentators are saying is that. of course it is a gas and oil certainly but it's more than that. i mean i don't like big words but what i see is that the second beginning of the second call my zation of africa it is. symbolised that nato and the economic powers are really intent on taking back africa but the people of libya wanted this to nate's pretty colored to see that they wanted to go listen listen we have to distinguish certain thinks. nobody is going to really shine appealing about it this is the data i mean if but the thing is what started as an uprising by my people on the very justified issues i mean i can understand that many libyans are happy

meanwhile, a national transitional council which consists of opposition leaders is taking steps to launch a new government. the council plans to transfer its base from the northeastern city of benghazi and set up a provisional government in tripoli. a senior member of the council mom mud ja bril has stressed the need to rebuild libya. the council will meet with the u.s. and european and arab nations in qatar on wednesday and ask them for financial assistance. it will also ask for cooperation in rebuilding the country from other nations at a conference to be held in turkey on thursday. >>> the u.s. government has announced plans to release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets t transitional national council within days. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international

of called the national transitional council to avoid reprisals and revenge attacks and already britain is leading a international corporation there providing training and equipment to try and help set up elections democratic elections and stabilize the economy to try and ensure what will hopefully be a peaceful transition as you were alluding to earlier regarding iraq and its oil wealth already now in libya because that is not yet over already multinational corporations are already staking their claims in various libyan oil fields are these are the bennett live in london thank you. meantime french president nicolas sarkozy will hold talks with the leader of the libyan transitional government later today by phone and multi-national oil giant as i was saying have already started to move their workers now into the vacant oil fields daniel schorr brings us the latest reaction from here the french defense minister says the call for a meeting in paris to plan what he calls a road map for libya french france's foreign ministry says that talks are underway at the highest level and that nicolas

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still headquarters of the transitional national council. andrew. >> this is the latest developments in libya in a moment. up to date quickly on what's been happening in the markets around the world over the past 24 hours or so. i want to start in asia. a pretty strong day. a lot of the key indices making up ground. there's been good news on an hsbc gauge of manufacturing in china. this is closely watched number at the moment to give you an idea of the strength what's going on in the manufacturing sector. there has been shrinking and taking the broader stock market with it. the latest numbers have come in better than expected. it's still contracting, manufacturing companies are saying the output is weakening. but not at the same rate. a little more stable coming in. that gave shanghai a bit of a boost. closing up 1.5%. stocks here in hong kong certainly helped the local market, also got a boost from that manufacturing number as well. in australia, it was all about fosers. they got more than 1.5% on the broad index there after it said it was

officials from libya's new government as the transitional council several nations as favorites for. the latest developments there in the false move in place then the middle east and of course meanwhile stay with us for a debate show that's coming on.

there are other elements within the transitional national council as we know it today. and this is what may slow the sort of arrival, if you will, or the announcement of any sort of transitional government. this may be the simplest one. >> and of course what happens to gadhafi's inner circle is not the only big question here. >> french and african sources have expressed fear that some of the weapons have fallen into control of al qaeda. to kidnap westerners. >> of course they have proven they can beat the forces. >> can the rebels run? e interna. but for some of us with overactive bladder, our pipes just don't work as well as they should. sometimes, i worry my pipes might leak. but i learned there's something more i can do. now, i take care with vesicare. once-daily vesicare can help control your bladder muscle and is proven to treat overactive bladder with symptoms of frequent urges and leaks day and night. if you have certain stomach or glaucoma problems, or trouble emptying your bladder, do not take vesicare. vesicare may cause allergic reactions that may be serious.

the national transitional council is a mix of factions. with little more in common than dislike of colonel gaddafi. it is a coalition between the east and west of the country and religious and sector -- secular. members of the regime and exiles. it is a potpourri of different ideas and ideology. if they all work within the same for work, the constitution, then everybody will have their own thoughts and sit with a thing. >> the country's leader may be mustafa jaleel. his revolution has produced no single forceful personality. perhaps after 42 years of gaddafi, another strong man is the last thing libyans want. will the rebels succeed? the new government could be destabilized if there is widespread looting. >> we have learned where the police and security people left their jobs and we have problems. triplet will not do that. there are [unintelligible] >> there is immense joy but there is also a relief. this is the first place the revolution in the early days is far from certain. there is a recognition there is a difficult part to be ahead. g

an official with libya's transitional national council tells cnn a great majority of the libyan capital is under control of the rebels but caution there are still pockets of resistance in the city. no one seems to know where colonel gadhafi is at the moment. earlier there were explosions and gunfire near his bab al aziziya compound. the rebels say they captured three of colonel gadhafi's seven sons. >>> let's see what's going on in the financial markets. starting in europe where 105 minutes into the trading day and here is how they look at the moment. quite interesting. we are seeing gains, clearly a new mood. lower oil price, the ftse up 1%. same story for the paris cac, and the zurich smi. the market doing badly is the dax. still off just slightly, was off by more than 1%. i'm going to stick my neck out and guess this is because over the weekend the german chancellor, angela merkel, said no, no, no, to euro bonds, eurozone bonds that is not welcome as far as investors in germany's export industries are concerned because they have the most to lose from a euro collapse. the markets idea

they have recently shuffled the entire national transition council. this is again a very difficult time i think there's a lot of speculation. >> general tom mcinerney it was only a couple weeks ago where rebel forces killed their own commander-in-chief presumably members of one tribe killing commander in chief eunice a former qaddafi loyalist. they arrested him shot him dead, his body was mangled. is there any guarantee that tomorrow will be brighter than today? >>> oo it's just an indication of the huge difficulties and unknowns that we are facing. which tribe is the 132 plus tribes over there. which tribe will gain dominance the eastern or western tribes? you have had experience with eastern tribes. it is loaded with muslim brotherhood radical islamists and some al qaeda. in the unknowns we are about to face and the stability, it is like when the dog finally catches the car that he is facing. i don't know what nato is going to do about it but i again fear that the bird enis going to be shifted back to the united states. >> up until now the united st

is in the lead there having recognized the national transitional council in july of this year so that of course the great danger is either we have a continuing civil war or we have what the libyan people think of as the puppet american regime designed to protect access to the forty one billion dollars of barrels of oil that everybody knows exists and libya i think it's important to point out that this national transitional council is made up of so many different factions of course ideally in a good world they'd all be working together for the same pursuits but these are fighting all rebels these are people who have a lot more weapons and they probably used to have nato of course a long record of pursuing political goals with military means you spoke a little bit about this possibility of a western backed government one of about you know taken a step further i mean what's the likelihood that what we see next very much and by you know the western way from economic and military agendas put in place there well that is clearly the intention of the obama administration and of the can of the

that they're the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of lodging right there which is good to people but sort of going to launch a war to be lauren so it's more of give a get together bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance we're more. moral why war is going to be on the front page of every. speech as legitimate right if you've got to have the dough though get it out looks like right up at eight thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap. or all right well thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hopefully get to talk to you about syria saying that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar. all right back to the united states i mentioned money but what about money in the u.s. where is the u.s. economy headed and what are u.s. leaders do want about it but if you look at the numbers it looks like the economy is certainly not going up out today number show that the u.s. economy barely is growing it gre

national council. or somehow or another in a practice once you will potentially a member of the murder or commanding general of the units or distinguished entrance into a record and i'm saying get a sense once if it's the case which is considered all sorts we may think there's tension surface. now the thing is that e.u. leaders have made it very clear they will continue to support this new government when it does get set up when all the libyan people though and you mention all those different factions in a different interest do you think overall the libyan people will welcome the continued interference from the international community over its future. well i hear the purpose of this but she really your and your nation were immigrants and american. troops on the ground also have some of the prices. they don't want to fill the room before actually interviewed by the sorts of mean so it conflicts with their words and that's partly because they recognize. there are will change and exactly where is that som

libya's national transitional council, it was officially established march 5th in benghazi. the council is recognized by more than 30 countries as libya's legitimate governing authority. it's made up of 33 members and led by the chairman. the ntc says its i'm aim is to steal libya for an interim period only and ultimate goals are free elections and establishing a constitution. >>> while rebel fighters are united against moammar gadhafi with just one goal in mind a big concern is what happens after his 42-year reign ends. finding unity is never easy but it's even more complicated with libya's make up. their tribal rivalries and ethnic groups. the majority of the population is arab or berber. you see them here in orange in the north and east. that's about 97% of the population. a handful of other groups indicated by the different colors you see on the map. >> world leaders are urging the national transitional council to pursue a peaceful evolution to democracy but that won't be easy. the council is far from united. the shaky coalition includes former regime officials, national

power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it no he didn't mention the un resolution the rising intervention in libya which many shrinks expressly rules out military supplies to libya the rebel leader. said that he sees a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops and now the french and the british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders that they will meet quote not military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic growth for cause and announced eleven billion dollars in. measures the french president being accused of trying to bury this very bad. news in the euphoria of war victory but they're all signs that the war isn't producing the results because they wanted more in this report. fraud's feels like a winne

national council very very. well in practice when she will the tensions working with her to remember what she wants to go with murder all the commanding general of the units and so on distinguished between tradition try to recall and i'm saying a sense once if it is the case that was constructed. we may see there's tension surface. now the thing is your leaders have made it very clear they will continue to support this new government when it does get set up will the libyan people though and you mention all those different factions in the different interest do you think overall the libyan people will welcome continued interference from the international community over its future. well ahead. she really york and the nation in terms of american. troops on the ground also have some special also the parts of the next they don't want to call the reinvigoration you interviewed by themselves so that conflicts with your words and that's partly because they recognize. change and they can sense they have really lives somew

the president of france has met with the head of libya's national transitional council in paris after talks behind closed doors nicolas sarkozy promised military assistance to the new libyan government for as long as they need it. has the details france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it though he didn't mention the un resolution authorizing intervention in libya which many think actually expressly rules out military supplies to libya rebel leader. said that he sees france as a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops now the french and british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders adding that they will meet quote not as military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic grow

he also said that the united states now recognizes the transitional national council as the governing body of lib yachl quite a strong statement ramping up the pressure for gadhafi to leave. white house officials say president obama may be on vacation, but he is getting briefed about this situation regularly by his counterterrorism advisor john brennan. then last night at 9:00 in the evening he had a conference call with some of his top advisors including his chief of staff bill daly, secretary of defense, chairman of the joint chiefs and several others. white house officials say the president will continue to get briefed about this situation today. a lot of people wondering if we're going to hear from president obama. at this point it's just not clear. white house officials say the president is not going to speak about this situation until they have 100% confirmation of what exactly is happening on the ground. getting information is quite difficult right now. some of the information coming out of tripoli is a bit murky. so again, no plans for the president to speak until the white ho

libya's national transitional council says he may have fled to neighboring chad or algeria. president obama is calling on gra gaffie to surrender and prevent more bloodshed by telling supporters to lay down weapons. the u.s. military confirming a little while ago that gadhafi forces fired a scud missile near thesky of sirte, that happened today. sara sidner is one of our correspondents bravely covering the final push in zawiyah. what is the latest? >> reporter: we can tell you that in the city square in and around that area and around gadhafi's compound, there were loud blasts of gunfire going off for quite a while in the evening time, just before sunset. we were turned around by a rebel checkpoint. these checkpoints pop up in different places now. they're trying to take some control of the situation of the area, and what's happening is as we heard those blasts, we were told it is not safe, go away, get out of the area, turn around, so we had to turn around. we could still hear the gunfire. what we saw earlier in the day, and throughout the evening were people in the streets

but that really depends upon how the transitional national council the t.n.c. is able to secure the country right now there's still sporadic fighting in tripoli and as you said strict gadhafi stronghold in sirte is still up for grabs as this conflict progresses will be more clear as to what happens clearly there will still be gadhafi loyalists after the country is under control of the t.n.c. what matters is if the t.n.c. is able to provide the sort of security and policing required to prevent any sort of insurgency in the coming months yet you think they're able to i mean there are critics calling into question the ability of the n t c. to bring back order and control and you're talking about armed demands then on the street how do you think they're going to be able to do that do you think they're capable. this is one of the biggest challenges that is facing the interim government right now. with the forces that they have it's a very diverse group there are over thirty major tribes one hundred forty tribes in general there are over forty eight at last count int

>> i support the transitional -- the national transitional council. i mean, they have plans for -- security plans in place. i have faith in them. i do know the libyan people support them. they are our government. >> they have quite a specific blueprint that talks about there not being a security vacuum, that there will not be a power vacuum. you feel confident that they can deliver? >> i do feel confident that they will deliver. i mean, they have done great things so far. we have seen countries all over the world recognize them. and like i said, i have faith in them. i think they will deliver. >> jane, a law student speaking to us from benghazi. thank you. >> on the bbc live from singapore and london, still to come, the caribbean council -- now u.s. authorities from north carolina to new york prepare for the worst from irene. what makes the apple -- we assess the future of the world's tallest company. let's go back to the situation in libya. this doctor has been working with a number of hospitals in tripoli. he's been telling me about his experiences.

national council might have had a hand in that murder but again that infighting has been very murky and definitely has not received enough coverage but many experts are saying the fight for being in charge of libya is no surprising considering what is at stake and let's not forget it is a nation that has the richest oil reserves in africa and he's going to church account there from washington now president sarkozy of france as well as the german government are again calling on qaddafi to step down in the face of the recent games by the rebels are daniel bushell is in paris with the latest president sarkozy called on gadhafi to immediately give out what power he has left to order his forces to cease fire and to give way it's because he called the legitimate libyan authorities the outcome of the rebel victory is no longer in belts but the french leader did he fully supports the rebels he called this at the source of moment and hailed the libyan people who support them reiterating france's backing for the rebel provisional council germany has called on gadhafi to step down quickly diff

and that is the transitional national council is being recognized as legitimate as the legitimate power to deal with in libya by all allied forces who have been helping them oust gadhafi the rebels have been heavily backed by western powers including the united states they had over the transitional council mustafa abdul jalil who has traveled to washington a number of times he has received overwhelming support from politicians here so he's definitely seen as their man in tripoli but one of the stumbling points here is that he hasn't been chosen as a leader by the leading people themselves and many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers are making those very important choices for them also going back to the point that the rebels are not a homogenous group there has been some internal fighting going on among the rebels as well at the end of july a top rebel military commander was killed on the very suspicious circumstances circumstances which led to many believe that the head of the transitional national council might have had a hand in that murder but again that infighting

the west is having trouble moving money quickly to the national transitional council. the arabs were doing that quickly and i think that's fine from the libyan perspective. the western frozen money will come in -- will come in due course. there was a good deal of unanimity between the arab world and the west. if that can be maintained, that would be a marvelous thing. so much as competition among the western powers is concerned, there will be. but that is good thing -- that is a good thing, basically, but it has to be managed and the libyans have to create eight level playing field. for their oil and gas resources. >> thank you, daniel. i'm going to turn now to peter. expanding this question of the international role and relations with libya and going forward, many of the african forces back gadhafi, almost to the end. we have seen a number of them. i think 16 have recognize the transitional council, but i'm wondering how are libyans going to feel about africa as opposed to the arab world moving forward? gadhafi had become disillusioned and disappointed trying to reori

national council might have had a hand in that murder but again that infighting has been very murky and definitely has not received enough coverage but many experts are saying the fight who are being in charge of levy is no surprising considering what is at stake and let's not forget it is a nation that has. richest oil reserves in africa and the watch and washington d.c. correspondent thanks for giving us your thoughts on it as well tonight now a bit earlier on i spoke to independent journalist lizzie failon cheese in tripoli should been reporting about the last couple of days for she says that as far as she could see where she was the rebels how he had established any sort of control within the city. i'm not battles. only i mean the beneficial areas certainly. being what it could be small group of people just whatever you want to call them and not. some kind of treat the opposition didn't predict who is there for a really long race. against the libyan army which of course is a conventional army and before he. is in tripoli by the libyan government that's the beginning of it so rea

national council might have had a hand in that murder but again that infighting has been very murky and definitely has not received enough coverage but many experts are saying the fight for being in charge of libya is no surprising considering what is at stake and let's not forget it is a nation that has the richest oil reserves in africa. is going to come with me but on their own for. recently bug from libya and who's now in london told me nato needs to have a successful campaign in libya in order to move on to other parts of the arab world . we've heard this several times before that we're on the verge of gadhafi and regime change is just about to take place in libya with more than five months into a nato bombing campaign six months into this libyan crisis and gadhafi is still there but the thing is i don't want to deny for a second that there is some kind there's some level of clashes taking place in tripoli which they obviously are but there's mixed reports about the about the airport that's been taken or hasn't been taken but so far no strategic positions have been taken by the

national council to do precisely what you're talking about and make sure that they become a broadly inclusive. movement for the transition and that would include even former gadhafi regime elements really that all libyans have to be included in this process and i think that's going to be an early key you know how it shakes out if it's going to end up being a more fractured society and the federalized system it might be too soon to tell the society there might be better suited to a system like that but we really don't know yet but for the meantime i think that that it's definitely is a good piece of advice that the t.n.c. should try to unify all libyans under its banner and build the institutions of civil society in in iraq in the in the minute we have left here in iraq the you know basically you had a sunni strongman running a country that was mostly shia and now it seems to be kind of flipping and it's still up in the air is there a sunni shia this schism a sectarian schism in libya or is it just purely tribal no. my understanding is it's mostly tribal difference i mean there are c

transitional council. like it or not in many western countries a place where libya would mean big business. and coming up in the program in the eye of the storm new york is bracing itself for the arrival of a hurricane i read that as parts of the city are evacuated and public transport has been shut down. now russia has introduced a draft resolution at the u.n. security council designed to push the warring sides in syria towards peaceful dialogue moscow says its proposal is based on a similar statement in obviously passed by the security council earlier this month but the draft could face stiff opposition from western countries who are calling for a change of power in syria are she's going to check out reports. it looks like we're going to see a battle of two different versions of resolutions on syria the u.n. security council russia is putting forward its graphic resolution which will be an alternative to the resolution that the u.s. and european representatives are putting together a letter has already b

the transitional national council how it is made up of so many different factions and a lot of these factions disagree about just about everything except wanting to see khadafi go what happens when gadhafi goes if he's already gone in terms of that p.r. war in terms of the lobbyists here in washington what side do they choose then when this one group that they purport to be supporting turns into many groups your guess is as good as mine it's really unfortunate that the euphoria in the western media it's good presumptuous because we don't know what's going to come next we don't know what will follow could also be we don't even know if the p.m.c. really represents the interest of all the libyan people so again this is sort of reminiscent of doesn't agree with the fall of saddam hussein's statue certainly many people are happy that khadafi is gone and that saddam hussein is gone but now the real work will begin and we don't know what comes next you mention the word hypocrisy a few times as far as this country and the u.s. foreign policy i think it's important to point out too this is no