for wisconsin. senator baldwin, thank you for your time tonight. >> it's a pleasure to join you tonight, rachel. >> you have been in the middle of the fight against union rights all year. what did you make of the president and vice president bringing it up the way they did in their labor day speeches? >> it was music to my ears. i have been in the front seat witnessing what has happened in the state of wisconsin as progress that this state has made over decades was peeled back, and what happened is that the people of the state decided that if their leaders were not listening to them, they were going to speak out, and it has been incredibly inspiring to me, but, you know, we've been talking about why this is so important, why collective bargaining rights and the right to organize, but also we're fighting right now, as you've been talking about, for the very survival of the middle class. it used to be that if you worked hard and played by the rules, you could get ahead, and i hear day after day from w

so hello what is evident to wisconsin? it's not just the elimination of the union privatizing stuff, privatizing the utility's. so i feel like first of all i want to thank you for the book which i haven't read, and actually i would ask you to give it to me i will fight. >> in the second edition in this conversation i think we have to get beyond just describing were talking about is going on but really try to understand and explain what is really behind all this and the institutional labor movement really does not talk in these terms, and i don't see how we solve any of this unless we pull it all together and step back and say there is really something big here and it fits together and explains it all and we better explain to the people walking around the capitol when madison that this is what it's about and rebuild the voice of the working people >> i think that you are right on target. we are obviously all enthusiastic about what we hoped could have developed in the summer of 2009 when the right-wing popular and the tea p

so then you say, so hello, what's happening in wisconsin? you know, it's not just the elimination of unions. they are privatizing stuff. they're privatizing the utilities. and around the country, et cetera. so it's like, i feel like, steve, first of all i want to thank you for the book which i haven't read, and actually i won't ask you to give it to be free. i'll buy it. and for you, thank you for -- >> better move quick. we may not have enough. >> oh, second edition. but for this conversation, because i think, i think we have to get beyond just described are talking about what's going on but really try to understand and explain what's really behind all this. and institutional labor movement really does not talking these terms. and i don't see how we solve any of this unless we pulled altogether and all together and step back and say, there's really something big here and it all fits together and explains it all, and we better explain to people walking around the capital in madison that this is what it's about and everywhere else, or we can'

what is not the same or better, however, is the state of education in wisconsin. and the budgets with which the teachers are forced to negotiate a new way of approaching the struggles they have to face in the classroom every day. therefore, facing all kinds of cuts across the board and walker's refusal to acknowledge those is just disgusting. >> is he trying to abolish public education in wisconsin? >> i don't think he's trying to abolish it entirely. but i think that he is definitely trying to disinvest in it at the expense of the majority of our students as he invests extremely heavily in private and charter schools. >> how in the world can you make $1.6 billion in cuts and expect to have the same product? how can the people of wisconsin expect to have the same public school system? >> you can't. it's not going to happen, ed. making these kind of cuts forces the school districts to compromise so many things in so many ways. and the costs of this on our kids will be seen for a generation to come. >> he says that they gave school districts the tools for reform. wh

in wisconsin it's 1.5%. wisconsin's pension fund is fully funded to 99.7%. there is no gaping crisis of pension fulfillment in wisconsin or in many other states. and as you heard in the testimony, the budget deficits are hitting state that is tonight even have collective bargaining agreements, even states that prohibit collective bargaining have deficits and in some cases even the ones -- greater than the ones that allow collective bargaining for employees. it's true as one of the witnesses said that the employment relationship is a little different than, say, whole foods that has competition from other grocery stores. but why is it then without that competition that the numbers show that the salary, these so-called gold-plaited benefits simply aren't that high? the average pension in wisconsin, the average pension in wisconsin per year is $21,000. there are watches in this room that cost more than that. in california it's $27,000 a year. 75%, 75% of the pensioners in california under the state system get less than $36,000 a year. got-plaited, indeed. as we

i guess the climate in madison, wisconsin is cold but they do have a provo for climate up there in wisconsin. so is he a loon. and he said, quote. i am most excited about how well the students represented themselves. show some more beroll of how the students represented themselves. passion which they engaged and tone in which they did it. thoughtfulness of interactions. in your opinion ms. chavez were, the students respectful to your representatives trying to get their point across at the school? >> absolutely not respectful. in fact, they were so unrespectful that when we had our press conference, the manager of the hotel had to issue a statement. he describe dollars the group as a mob more than 100 students forced their way in. not employees to -- knocked employees to the ground. stopped proceedings from taking place. the president of our organization had to essentially be escorted out. >> bill: police were called. students were respectful. we have contacted all these university of wisconsin people. they can come on on monday if they want. they won't. they are going to run and hide. it's t

that is why the fight in wisconsin was such a big deal. host: we will be talking to union labor representatives and both ohio and wisconsin. caller: obviously, if your guest is opposed to all unions. he is painting all unions with a broad paintbrush. i am a member of the national association of letter carriers. the union does not force members to join. the labor relations board mandates us to represent non- union members. does he support such a union? host: did you understand the question? you kind of broker. could you repeat it? guest: does hecaller: our union does not force members to join. does he support that? guest: federal employees have a right to work protection. post office workers are covered by that. they do not have to pay dues to keep their jobs. only about 27% of federal employees have voluntarily chosen to join unions. forcing representation on workers is not something that the national labor relations act created. union officials lobbied for and desire the idea that they should be able to force every worker in to the collec

wisconsin was the first state in 1959. before that franklin roosevelt had said this doesn't make any sense. the founder of the afl-cio the first president said he didn't think it made any sense. what we're seeing now is the tide starting to move back. we're in difficult economic times. people are saying wait a minute. a government ought to be run for the benefit of the voters and the tax payers and not those who work in the government. unions have a place in the private sector but in government it's quite different. >> that's just ridiculous. workers have a basic human right to form a union if they want to. there's no way in which workers in the public sector they're not the enemies of the tax payer. they're not the enemies of the government. what workers are doing is saying they want a voice on the job. they want the same kinds of protections that other workers have, not to be treated arbitrarily. a lot of workers in the public sector whether firefighters or nurses or teachers or police officers are fighting for safe work

when cuts are calculated per student, wisconsin is the worst. according to a nonpartisan study, it's followed by new york, california, ohio, and texas. now, in the state of new jersey the state supreme court overruled cuts that governor chris christie wanted to make in the poorest districts, but he has more idea where is that came from. here's what he said in tonight's speech at the reagan library. >> and we would reform our k to 12 education system by applying free market reform principles to education. rewarding outstanding teachers. rewarding outstanding teachers, demanding accountability in the system. >> let's bring in randy wine garden. good to have you with us tonight. >> it's always great. >> what's free market? what's he talking about? is that code language for what? >> look, all these folks that don't actually want to spend money on education, like the countries that outcompete us, like take south korea where they're actually hiring teachers while we have actually laid off about 300,000 educators since 2008. the countries that outcompe

. >> eric bowler from media matters is here and in wisconsin, a secret fbi probe is rocking scott walker's administration. john nichols of "the nation" magazine will have the latest and mike. entonoi on and heidi harris battle over what is class warfare. >> great to have you with us tonight, folks. drunken sailors and president bush finally, is turowed take them on and make them pick up the tab. the president drew this line in the sand this morning. i loved it! >> i will not support -- i will not support any plan that puts all of the burden for closing our deficit on ordinary american, and i will veto any bill that changes benefits for those who rely on medicare, but does not raise serious revenues by asking the wealthiest americans and corporations to pay their fair share. we are not going to have a one-sided deal that hurts the folks who are most vulnerable. >> you know, this is what should have been said during the lame duck session of the congress, but i'll take it now. the president let republicans have what they wanted for the last nine months. you know the bush tax cuts that didn't

i'm a huge fan of the wisconsin pac-men. time to tailgate. let's do this right here. let's go. let's fire up the grill. all right. john the johnsonville brats going. i cannot wait to watch that football. i just enjoying -- enjoy watching that big guy tack that other guy for the points. i love watching the points. i got a sixer of old milwaukee here. i've been through a few i got a sixer of old milwaukee, and a sixer of listerine to wash away the taste of the old milwaukee. [ laughter ] and to make sure my tv doesn't accidentally click over to obama's speech, i'm go to remove the batteries from my remote here. and i am going to replace those with mini sausages. there you go. take that up. and, what do you know? i still have power. anyway, of course, all right. that's enough tailgating. of course, the most controversial aspect of the president's speech was the date which obama originally scheduled for last night. >> it was the timing of the president's speech that became the subject of a testy confrontation between the president and the speaker. >> there was a republican presiden

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republican wonder boy congressman paul ryan of wisconsin jumped on the president's plan on sunday. >> class warfare, chris, may make for really good politics, but it makes for rotten economics. we don't need a system that seeks to divide people. we don't need a system that seeks to prey on people's fear, envy and anxiety. we need a system that creates job and innovation and removes the barriers for entrepreneurs to rehire people. >> same old garbage. the president took direct aim at the class warfare talking point today. >> we're hearing the usual defenders of this loophole saying this is class warfare. i reject the idea that asking a hedge fund manage tore pay the same tax rate as a plumber or teacher is class warfare. i think it's just the right thing to do. i believe the american middle class who have been pressured relentlessly for decades, believe it's time that they were fought for as hard as lobbyists and some lawmakers have fought to protect special treatment for billionaires and big corporations. >> it is also predictable. paul ryan and his buddies in the house have used the

in wisconsin is also about students. in wisconsin, you have to have the right student i.d., but another of universities in wisconsin provide that-- none of the universities provide that . in texas, it is ok if you use your gun i.d. they never that helps. they know that our turnout was significant in 2008. 92% of registered african- americans showed up in 2008. so they understand what is at stake. but it is not just the voter i.d.'s. about go on to tell you florida, my favorite state. because there are a lot of battles and florida. we have to keep doing that, because instead of making sure that voter registration is over, they want to restrict it. they do not what you did turn out to our sign up. they don't want you to come. instead, we cut off early voting days. in ohio, let's cut off the golden week. get rid of it. in ohio, we took on the issue of provisional ballots. your shot to the polls, a whole bunch of people showed up to the polls, names not on the road. a provisional ballot is supposed to help you. provisional b

in wisconsin is also about students. in wisconsin, you have to have the right student i.d., but another of universities in wisconsin provide that-- none of the universities provide that . in texas, it is ok if you use your gun i.d. they never that helps. they know that our turnout was significant in 2008. 92% of registered african- americans showed up in 2008. so they understand what is at stake. but it is not just the voter i.d.'s. about go on to tell you florida, my favorite state. because there are a lot of battles and florida. we have to keep doing that, because instead of making sure that voter registration is over, they want to restrict it. they do not what you did turn out to our sign up. they don't want you to come. instead, we cut off early voting days. in ohio, let's cut off the golden week. get rid of it. in ohio, we took on the issue of provisional ballots. your shot to the polls, a whole bunch of people showed up to the polls, names not on the road. a provisional ballot is supposed to help you. provisional b

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i did all these round tables with manufacturers in wisconsin in august. uncertainty is plaguing them. the key question what is the government going to do to me next? those are the things not being addressed in the new jobs bill the president is sending us. those are things job creators are telling us they need so they can start planning and investing and having confidence. >> greta: one of the dirty secrets is that loophole, earmarks, whatever, they favor somebody. >> absolutely. >> greta: they are there because somebody got to his congressman -- or senator and got there. it has been -- cronyism. >> republicans and democrats alike both parties are responsible for this. what it has done is made it is so unfair and our tax rates so much higher. >> greta: you said over the last decade on average at least one change to the tax code is made everyday. how can that be? how can that possibly be? >> because congress passes lots of complicated tack laws gives a lot of direction to the irs who fills up all these tax regulations so you have so many new tax enforcemen

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number 11 wisconsin had no problem with unlv. wisconsin won easily 51-17. poor bucky the badger did a push-up for every point scored. keep that up and he could be a linebacker by midseason. >>> we showed you the attempt inside the park home run wednesday. his teammates had fun with it yet, re-creating the scene of the crime. there's the culprit. a speed bump down the third baseline. they also drew a chalk line of his body using athletic tape. this was a thorough investigation. no stone was left unturned. nbc wants to do "law and order" milwaukee, they need to look no further than the brewers dugout. ♪ that's your early look at sports on "early today." have a very safe labor day weekend. i'm fred roggin. >> good one, fred. >>> a reality tv star is sued for animal abuse. your early morning entertainment headlines are straight ahead. >>> plus, it's one of the dues you pay in college. dorm life. wouldn't it be nice if you could live your school days in the highest of style? you are watching "early today." >>> welcome back to "early today." a buf look at the f

we've seen that in wisconsin, we've seen that in ohio, we've seen that in florida. we've seen that with all these republican governors. chris christie nationally marketed it. do republicans really want to win on we hate unions? >> look, i think it's more problematic than simply christie has to go out there and stop saying no. i think that this entire dysfunctional dating that the party has done by continuing to disparage the guys who are on the field -- running for president is excruciating. i mean, anyone who does it on either side is to be heralded for getting in the arena. he hasn't stepped in that arena yet. i think it will come back to bite the republican party in the butt that they have continued to lust after all the guys who are not interested in running. it's like always lusting after the guy who isn't available emotionally or otherwise. it's unhealthy and i think it's going to come an in a year when republicans are united in opposition to the obama agenda in a way that's far more wholesome for them to run on than the kinds of things you talked about. there

even more so than wisconsin they also quick like to bar you rights from firefighters and policeman so they even want to step further here and they're suffering the backlash so it's the john case it is now try to sit down and talk with people when you want to do that before because we needed a thirty percent approval rating or under some to talk yes so yes so privatizing a prison who benefits of us. will of course profit corporations and unit great opening the head of the rehabilitation corrections here is it as you said work for c.c.a. c.c.a. and geo that your biggest ones made two point nine billion dollars last year i mean think about that for a second is that i have a newer profit. i think maybe it was revenue but i mean you know it's just it's just a fact it you know eisenhower warned us of course you know with the military industrial complex and this is no different you talked about locking people up with lauren drugs what about the fact that these guys lobbied for the law in arizona asked me ten seventy because they want to create prisons specifically for illegal immigrants that

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so you seem to seem grassroots fire here that you saw in wisconsin where people are just sick of this and they've seen you know they seen their livelihoods attack in this state as here even worse than wisconsin it they also to quick like to bar you rights from firefighters and policeman so they even want to step further here and they're stopping the backlash so if they join cases now try to sit down and talk with people when you when you have before they just need a thirty percent approval rating or under study to talk yes yes so privatizing a prison who benefits from this. of course product liberations and unit great opening the head of the rehabilitation corrections here is it as you said worked for c.c.a. c.c.a. and geo the biggest ones made two point nine billion dollars last year i mean think about that for a second is that i mean you were a profit. i think the me it was revenue but i mean you know it's just it's just a fact that you know you guys never warned us of course you know with the military industrial complex and this is no different you talk about locking people up with

moore of wisconsin. the chair: pursuant to house resolution 406, the gentlewoman from wisconsin, ms. moore, and a member opposed, each will control five minutes. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from wisconsin. ms. moore: and i do thank you, mr. chair. my amendment would simply ensure that low-income communities and that the public health generally of all americans are considered in the bill's section on studies about the impact of this regulation. i offer this amendment, mr. chair, in hopes that we might have an honest debate, a debate that is inclusive of those most affected by the very policies that my colleagues are attempting to tie up and in two cases outright prevent. let me be frank with you, mr. chair. i grew up -- i was born in 1951, and i grew up gasping for breath most of my life. lived in an industrial city, a manufacturing city in milwaukee, wisconsin, and i had my first asthma attack shoveling coal into a furnace and then gasping for breath because of the smog that was generated from m

wisconsin won easily, 51-17. poor buck i. badger did a pushup for every point scored. keep that up, he could be a linebacker by mid season. we showed you this trip around the bases while attempting an inside the park home run. his teammates had fun with it yesterday recreating the scene of the crime. there's the culprit. a speed bump on the line. he does a chalk outline. no stone was left unturned. if nbc wants to do law and order milwaukee, they need to look no further than the brewers dugout. that's your first look at sports. have a terrific labor day weekend. i'm fred roggin. >>> >> i told you we would play that over and over again. for a quick look at the weather here's todd santos. he has your weather channel forecast. >> good morning, lynn. just at least want to update everybody as far as the picture for today. travelwise, not an issue across the east. at least a few showers towards d.c., light sprinkle in harr harrisbu harrisburg. these are in the direction of minneapolis over a couple hours that may cause airlines delays. 11 a.m. central watch. in line of the f

you mentioned wisconsin and ohio. we had 100,000 people demonstrate in wisconsin. the labor movement, organized labor, and people of wisconsin just recalled two republican state senators. that's aç major accomplishment. we have over a million signatures to recall sb-5, a bill that took away collective bargains from public employees. really we're doing a heck of a job. the right wing introduced right to work in 14 states, and we were able to beat it back in every state. you know, so we are alive and well and fighting for the american worker. >> the concern, i guess, you're expressing is one of -- it's not that he could lose the union vote. it's whether the union vote will be sufficiently motivated to come out and play role? >> he's got to motivate us and that's his job. >> what do you want specifically? what specifically do you want to hear? >> i want to hear his plan. i don't know his plan. something that involves getting this country moving again. infrastructure. just watch what happened with irene. we're watching television about bridges being washed out. roads

necessary to vote in wisconsin. and so you say well, they have got their chance, the election won't be until next year, they have plenty of time. it turns out that in the state of wisconsin, there is only one division of motor vehicles office that is open on a weekend in the entire state of wisconsin. now, that, to me, seems unconscionable, unacceptable. we need to take a hard look at this, and the first stop will be the civil rights division in the department of justice. they have asked me after the hearing today, mr. chairman -- mr. president, rather, what are we going to do next? they said what we'll do next is follow the law. the law says the department of justice has to weigh each of these changes, whether it's voter registration in florida or whether it's the voter i.d. or the limitation on early voting and decide whether or not this violates the basic standards of the voting rights act. they have 60 days to do so after the law is enacted, and i have spoken to the division, civil rights division. it's my impre

you're fighting for workers rights in wisconsin. described to us what your struggle is about, and if there's anyway you can make parallel with what is going on at the national level. >> thank you. first i wanted to thank the afl-cio for having me. i'm not going into a rally speech or. if i get on, i apologize. i have been rallying for six months. thank afl-cio for having me. president trumka, secretary-treasurer schueler, vice president baker, thanks a lot for having me. because of them to as well as my united able to go around to speak about what's happened in wisconsin. you thought wisconsin before was just over cheese and the green bay packers, but now we have this fight on her hand. now we're on the map again. but this is not just a union fight. this is a middle-class fight. and right now we are under attack. the middle class is under attack. it is like were no longer in the united states of america but united corporations of america. but in remembrance of dr. king, you have a lot of people that talk about the civil rights, but

for example, in wisconsin the new voter id bill which allows the university of wisconsin student to use their student id to vote requires three main things; a photo id, an expiration date and a signature. now, the current student id at wisconsin only has one of the three priorities. people are specifically designing legislation to disenfranchise young people, low income individuals and people of color. because they know that this is the future of this country. l and that the future of this country is inherently more progressive, we don't have the same kind of universal divisions on these cultural war topics whether it's gay marriage or interracial dating or immigration reform. and so people are looking to take us and take our voice out of the political process and take us out of the economic process. and so the american dream that so many people have realized is going to become our american fantasy. because we're not going to have the jobs that we need to provide for our families. let alone start a family. and most young people are holding off buying a home, starting a business and gett

in 2008, president obama won wisconsin by 14 points. those six senators won their elections, republican elections by about an equal margin so they defied the trend in wisconsin and got legislated by double -- elected by double digit margins. we didn't pick the six senators. they were the only six that could be recalled because the laws. now, think about this. we got collectively from the six of the biggest, highest performing republican districts, we got 49%-plus of that aggregate electorat, and they got a little over 50%. if i'm a strategist, i have to say in my six best performing districts, i just broke 50%, i got a problem, and we won. we took two of them out, and by the way, one of the republican senators voted against that bill so effectively we have the working majority when it comes to collective bargaining in the wisconsin senate. i consider that a real victory, by the way. >> okay. [applause] >> so there's been some discussion in wisconsin about the responsibility of an effort to recall governor walker. would you support that?

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it's what we've seen in wisconsin, intimidation. this is the warmup act? these are remarks you would expect out of tony soprano, not a union rep. i take that back. the president should repudiate it. >> it usually means somebody's legs are going to get broken, somebody's going to disappear. tea party people don't use that kind of rhetoric. >> we realize blakeman doesn't get out of the beltway too often, there were no union thugs in wisconsin. i know, i was there quite often. andrew breitbart blasted out this line to his followers. take a look at what he missed. fox news left this portion of hoffa's speech on the edit room floor. >> everybody here's got a vote. if we go back, keep your eye on the prize. let's take these sons of bitches out and give america back to america where we belong. thank you very much. >> mr. hoffa clearly wasn't calling for violence against the tea party, he was talking about bouncing eric cantor and paul ryan out of office from the ballot box in 2012. let's turn the tables for a moment. if you don't believe cantor and ryan use rheto

that's a different from wisconsin. it had been done by the stroke of a governor's pen 16 years before. my option was to undo it the same way. i was able to do it in one day. that was certainly different than what governor walker faced. he to fight a bill through his legislature. that gave lots of time for people to express disagreement. >> greta: have people been hurt to get your budget under control? in texas we hear the education system got slashed. did people get slashed and take a beating, any big groups? >> no. we had one very, very modest reduction in public education after years of increases. public education might be understood, higher percentage of the indiana state budget than any state in america. 56 cent of every dollar guess to k-12. that we protected. we have found, as i sometimesy%7 say, would you be surprised how much government you will never miss. maybe it was helpful in our case that the state was break in good times when we came in, in 2005. most states were doing fine ours was not. we were age to m