pakistan relationship going got twenty seconds. well i think it's i think it's headed toward some kind of crisis but we've been in crisis for the past fifteen years so this could be nothing new but i think what would trigger a real break would be a serious american attack on a on a pakistani facility would there was an atrocity like most of those which was actually supported or pakistani launched the attack on the united states but from buying out i think we're going to bump along in a very unhappy marriage which needs to be reckoned reconciled and i'm a major what i hope salvation. diplomacy works kicking the can down the road many thanks to my guest today in washington and in islamabad and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the time remember. you can see.

and pakistan have never been smooth after the fallout from the u.s.s. nation of osama bin laden the state of the alliance has gone from bad to worse admiral mike mullen one of the most pro pakistan officials in washington has referred to the country as the epicenter of world terrorism but his most recent remarks have added fuel to the fire. choosing to use violent extremism as an instrument of policy the government of pakistan and most especially the pakistani army and. jeopardizes not only the prospect of our strategic partnership but pakistan's opportunity to be a respected nation with legitimate regional in floor in his speech to the senate mullen accused pakistan's intelligence agency isiah of colluding with kani insurgent groups the u.s. has long been aware of the fact that pakistan may be assisting insurgents but mall in statement is the first of its kind it's cost furious reactions in pakistan where authorities have denounced the claims and pointed to the country's own bosses and the war on terror thirty thousand pakistanis it is well known that

pakistan relations. and you can. go to you considering the conversation we heard between shake up in stephen before we went to the break it sounds like in the end it all exaggerate a little bit just for discussion's sake here is that the u.s. has to actually destroy pakistan to win in afghanistan. well i don't think i mean that superficially looks like that no no just to not only destroy it maybe i even invaded it one point ok because regime change seems to be a popular flavor of this year go ahead i don't think that there is no doubt that they should view it all the way i said i we did it for exact even used a word for exaggeration exaggeration for a conversation think go ahead are you going to exaggeration or misrepresented misrepresentation i should go right ahead. right i don't think that you know us can despite what it wants despite the divergence i don't think that that should be on the cards that ought to be in the cards or it is on the cards it would be far too risky a strategy for you know for the u.s. to yo

for the us losing pakistan as an ally would undermine its strategic goals in the region pakistan provides key military transit routes to vienna stand in houses a base for unmanned u.s. drones but all this hasn't stopped u.s. officials from offering to support military action against iraq on a network that if the experts believe that we need to elevate our response they will have a lot of bipartisan support on capitol hill the bomb i've been astray sure has repeatedly pressure pakistan to attack the haqqani network and groups the us teams of predator its presence in afghanistan and will in statements reflect washington's uneasiness over how the two countries geopolitical interests continue to diverge and the slow entire region and that's where the relationship stands today thank you very much for that matter i should like to go to you first i'd like to quote the president of the united states transition out of afghanistan and leave a stable government behind one that is independent one that is respectful of human rights one that is democratic you think that's the primary goal of the united

that means pakistan is the enemy. pakistan is not the friend. pakistan is not the coalition member. we have to be very, very discreet, very understanding, very accurate in this understanding. i think it is totally against the interests of united states and pakistan and the region and also the world because it violates this, what i say as the unity of thought and action against taliban, al qaeda and terrorists. now, i would like to bring out why this has happened and what we can do to maybe bridge this problem. from united states point of view, i would like to admit pakistan needs to clarify to elements what you're casting very negative aspirations -- aspirations in leading to this trust and confidence deficit. number one, why was osama bin laden in pakistan where he got killed. the issue there was their complicity or negligence? i will be prepared to answer questions, so with problem of limitation of time, i would only like to say that with all my on his conviction, it is a case of terrible negligence which i to be investigated and punished. but it is not a case of complicity. the s

should consider bombing pakistan. >> they have already bombed pakistan. >> they don't like it, and pakistan. >> a bomb is a bomb, whether it comes from unmanned or manned aircraft. they are agreeing that the bombing as part of the solution. >> do you think they should go further? >> absolutely. if they are going to my soil, if they go to a village to arrest unexpendable taliban fighters, they should be fair and they should do the same thing in pakistan. if they did not attack pakistan militarily, they should stop economic assistance. they should isolate the army. they can feel the heat and play this double game. >> the former afghan intelligence chief there. how should the u.s. proceed when it comes to relationships with pakistan? that is one of the major questions i posed to the former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan. i spoke to him from paris and asked him where the major focus should be done in years after the start of the war. >> the focus has to be on two things. one, getting a regional settlement, particularly between afghanistan and pakistan. as long as there -- if there is a century

was militaries from the east, from the west of pakistan, from the east of pakistan, pakistan became a victim of religious militants. so therefore, my introduction, pakistan is not the perfect state of terrorism, until 1989 we were in a harmonious situation and all that happened in pakistan is we became a victim of circumstances in the region. then comes 9/11. after 9/11, there was obviously the terrorist attack here which was most terrible and the obvious attack by the united states in afghanistan. my pakistan joining the coalition. now i was on the scene then. i took on the situation of pakistan's own interest, more than u.s. interest. pakistan's interest was i realized, i knew that pakistan is a moderate country, pakistan wants to be a progressive, enlightened, moderate country and talibanization and taliban culture with a tremendous understanding of islam is not for pakistan. we would not like to be on the taliban side and therefore we join the coalition. now, here i want to highlight a few blunders en route. the first blunder i say was 1989 when the united states abandoned afgha

side with pakistan. i wanted to ask you is this something that he told you in your meetings? have you interpreted his comments in a broader question. are afghanistan and pakistan reliable allies? >> well, first of all, president karzai and i had a very productive meeting when i was in kabul last week. we are making progress on a lot of issues and we are coordinating closely on both fighting the insurgents and trying to test out this afghan-led reconciliation. so frankly when i heard about the comment we immediately asked ambassador crocker to go in and figure out what it meant, what the point of it was and the, and ambassador crocker, who you know is one of our most distinguished, experienced diplomats, reported back that he really believed that what karzai was talking about the long history of cooperation between afghanistan and pakistan. in particular the refuel that pakistan provided to millions of afghans who were crossing the border seeking safety during the soviet invasion, during the warlordism, d

pakistan relationship going got twenty seconds. well i think it's i think it's heading toward some kind of crisis but with spin in crisis for the past fifteen years so this could be nothing new that i think what would trigger a real break would be a serious american attack on a pakistani facility where there was an atrocity unlike most of those which was actually supported or pakistani wants to attack on the united states but from buying out i think we're going to bump along in a very unhappy marriage which needs to be reckoned reconciled and i'm a major what i hope they should all feel how do not diplomacy works kicking the can down the road many thanks and i guess a day in washington and in islamabad and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are scenics time remember crossfire feels. it. can. still. be. wealthy british scientists. like. markets why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into this report on r.g.p. . the s

and pakistan. margaret warner has our report. >> it is no secret, that our relationship of late has not been an easy one. >> reporter: diplomatic understatement from america's top diplomat, friday in islamabad. the secretary of state was in pakistan's capital to press one of america's most vital and mercurial allies in the fight against militants who are still wreaking havoc in afghanistan, as the u.s. begins drawing down its forces there. washington is fuming over pakistan providing safe haven and otherwise aiding extremists, like the haqqani militant network and the afghan taliban. on her way, mrs. clinton stopped thursday in kabul and, with afghan president hamid karzai by her side, warned that pakistan could not let the current situation continue without paying a price. >> the terrorists operating outside of pakistan pose a threat to the pakistanis as well as to afghans and others. and we will have ideas to share with the pakistanis. they can either be helping or hindering. >> reporter: she bro

pakistan relationship going got twenty seconds. well i think it's i think it's headed toward some kind of crisis but we've been in crisis for the past fifteen years so this could be nothing new and i think what would trigger a real break would be a serious american attack on a pakistani facility when there was an atrocity unlike most of those which was actually supported or a pakistani launched attack on the united states but from buying that i think we're going to bump along in a very unhappy marriage which needs to be reckoned reconciled in a major way i hope. diplomacy works kicking the can down the road many thanks to my guest today in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here. remember . the latest in science. poland is counting the votes after the parliamentary election on sunday it is expected that the prime minister. is in line for a second spell of power in a row join us for all the latest details. dozens hundreds injured in egypt as a peaceful christian march against islamic radicalism descends into the bi

if pakistan will not take on that the threat from the haqqanis based in pakistan who attack our forces, then we should be prepared to take steps to defend our troops. it is consistent with established principles of international law of the united states to defend itself and to defend afghanistan against cross-border attacks by insurgents based in pakistan and to respond to those attacks. and to respond to those attacks. the recent report that a haqqanis reporter was killed in strike, in an area that was off-limits, is an example of the kind of action that is overdue. we have the right, the target, the forces in afghanistan and in pakistan, but to target the people controlling those forces as well. as the secretary has said, the message that the pakistani need to know is that we will do everything we can defend our forces. when we do that, and predict that we will have strong support, bipartisan support in the u.s. congress. we should inform pakistan that it should not expect to normalize this relationship. with the united states, as long as it provides a safe haven for violent extremis

leaders in pakistan must think of securing pakistan. the united states must sit down with pakistan and discuss these issues. the second element, which needs clarification -- i know there is an indian sitting here. he is a good friend of mine. my bluntness does not mean i am on popular in india. >> you were born in india. [laughter] >> yes. that is why i say india and pakistan must have peace. i am a strong believer that they must have peace. india is trying to create an anti-pakistan islamacism. i know this through intelligence. i know this to be a fact. just to give you proof, today in afghanistan, the diplomats, the security and intelligence people all go to india for training. not one has come to pakistan. they go there and they come back and they get indoctrinated against pakistan. over the years since our independence, afghanistan has always been anti-pakistan because the soviet union and india have close relations in afghanistan. the intelligence and the kgb in afghanistan have always been in cooperation. and they should be. we mu

the drums of war beating loud and clear washington calls pakistan a safe haven for terrorists. attacking our forces attacking. afghanistan and then disappearing back into. the economy network for one acts as a veritable arm of pakistan's internal services intelligence agency pakistan is furious over the accusations calling them unsubstantiated and saying that washington came very close to losing a major ally in its war on terror if you talk about links i'm quite sure yours has been said many terrorist organizations around the world which by which we need intelligence things over the last ten years pakistan has repeatedly compromised its own sovereignty to help the americans in their operations the us while chasing down suspected terrorists has been bombing pakistan with drones on a regular basis the strikes have killed thousands of civilians use of going is not against our so many theaters are also going to prevail if you know it's the people that we want to build as friends in this fight against terrorism after the latest threats from washington fearing an even tougher assault

pakistan. all that, plus the hysteria over gold. is it a bubble? and finally, the bold truth about criminology. i'll explain. >>> first, here's "my take." america's job crisis persists, and there seems to be little we can do about it. but actually there is one area where government can create jobs even if consumers aren't spending and businesses aren't hiring. and in a way that is productive for long-term growth. rebuilding america. the american society of civil engineers estimates that america's crumbling infrastructure needs $2 trillion worth of repairs, upgrades, and expansions. with needs on that scale, president obama's infrastructure proposals are at one twentieth the size of the problem. we need a big plan and a ground bargain between left and right to get it. the first element of the bargain would be funding. already there are several good proposals for infrastructure banks. relatively small public investments can be leveraged to attract much larger sums of private capital. compared wit

pakistan. there was a collusion of the u.s. and pakistan interest and therefore fighting against the soviet union. we decided to launch a jihad. jihad is a holy war. and when i say we, the united ud states and also pakistan in the lead role decided to launch a jihad, a holy war, for the reason of attracting mujahideen holy warriors from all over the muslim world and may i say we succeeded in growing about 25,000 to 30,000 mujahideen from the whole -- from the muslim world extending from morocco to indonesia. not only that, we recruited trained, and armed taliban from the tribal agencies of pakistan and pump them into afghanistan. this continued for 10 long years ladies and gentlemen, this jihad, the holy war with the united states and pakistan assistance for the people of afghanistan. there are two points that i want to highlight here which are very significant. number one, that the elites of afghanistan abandoned afghanistan during this period. they came to the united states and europe. and th

did not work with pakistan if pakistan has been so you know basically has hosted the u.s. military there why is it that there still is so little trust between the two countries because the pakistanis won't do everything we asked them to do the united states government senator graham or whoever you match with has a has a real inability to understand that our interests are not pakistan's interest the pakistanis have helped us more than any people anyone has a right to expect and now what we're we're there can you. there's we haven't won the war we're going to leave without winning we're leaving the pakistanis with a mass what do you mean when you say i'm not well afghanistan they cannot tolerate cares and his government cares and his government is close to the iranians and is close to the russians and closer to the indians of all people and it poses a threat to pakistani security and the western border so there has to go they have to stop a civil war in the country they have to stop the war that's going on in their own territory because of their health for the united states

. >> can i ask a question on pakistan. was there any reassurance from the pakistanis that they would stop me haqqani network? what was achieved? >> the secretary bus trip was a high-level trip that included many of our high colleagues from the national security council. others in the national security council. we are appreciative of the secretary of leading this effort. secondly, the breadth of the delegation that the secretary led pakistan understand us _ not only the importance of the relation, but the importance we attach to our concerns about the concern is a tree should come not just in pakistan, but also in afghanistan. as it relates to the particular conclusions of the visit, we will leave that to the secretary and her delegation. but the president is obviously appreciative that the secretary led the delegation and a delegation, in its makeup and seriousness underscores the strength of our conviction about these matters. >> the mechanics, for people watching and trying to see -- whether families are home for the hol

is pursuing in pakistan. there's a bushel there for we try to get out we try to punish the people who attacked the united states we've done some most of that and there's a lot of arguing for getting out very quickly certainly obama much of the right ministry of the republicans want to get out about going to very quickly how many terrorists do you have to kill before you finally say enough's enough i mean the government there been no constraints on the number of people that have been able to be killed ten years of this no constraints drone attacks assassinations of bombings killing of wedding parties at some point isn't it time to say enough enough. unsound and unfounded arousing fear and curiosity in equal measure if evidence of the existence of big foot remains elusive over the hunt for the yeti shows no sign of ending as our notion of took part in a siberian expedition to track down the legend. the yeti also known as big food hall sus court has been exciting scientists and enthusiastic from all the world fo

pakistan relationship. because american and pakistani interests are so different you know afghanistan and with regard to support for these terrorist groups we could see a move of american policy from alliance with pakistan which is a nominal it's an alliance of which both sides lie to each other it's like a very bad marriage where both sides were unfaithful to the other two containment we could see america moving towards a containing containing pakistan but i don't think that's going to happen i think it's most pakistanis understand they need america back in relationship not going to be culturally politically there's no imperial ambition there effect we're trying to get out we try to punish the people who attacked the united states we've done some most of that and there's a lot of argument for getting out very quickly certainly obama and much of the right ministry of the republicans want to get out about going to very quickly jake if you want to jump in there. stephen there are been no constraints on the nu

economy network for one acts as a veritable arm of pakistan's internal services intelligence agency pakistan is furious over the accusations calling them unsubstantiated and saying that washington came very close to losing a major ally in its war on terror if you talk about things i'm quite sure you know it says things that many terrorist organizations around the world which by which we mean intelligence links over the last ten years pakistan has repeatedly compromised its own sovereignty to help the americans in their operations the us while chasing down suspected terrorists has been bombing pakistan with drones on a regular basis the strikes have killed thousands of civilians use of going attacks is not against our sovereignty it's also counterproductive it when it's the people of the two want to been friends in this by dickens terrorism after the latest threats from washington fearing an even tougher assault thousands of pakistanis angrily rallied to say enough is enough for these people the us is a hostile power it's china that they see is a friend in the americans in this one instance h

despite the denials, pakistan's former national security adviser told us that the group is on pakistan the soil and the tribal belt. >> today, it is a hotbed. everybody who is anybody in the terrorist field is there. there is military. yet they have a fair amount of freedom of action. >> the army has hunted down the other militant groups in this remote tribal terrain, but not the network. old friends to could protect is lama died -- islamabad interest in the post-war afghanistan. pakistan insisted they have sacrificed too much already. and this army hospital, we met some recent casualty is a battle with the militants. every step is a struggle for this capt.. he was ambushed by the taliban. his father, a 30-year army veteran, says pakistan is paying too high a price. >> pakistan is suffering. we are suffering. we are sacrificing. what more can we do? >> americas reply -- drive out the fighters. they do not kill and maim here, said they are not pakistan's priority. officials here and washington are now engaged in damage control. after this latest crisis in its u.s.-pakistan relations. th

that's a minority in pakistan, that is not the majority in pakistan. unfortunately in the western media, it has always been projected as an overwhelming majority. >> as a woman, as a muslim woman, modern, how do you feel you reform islam or how do you ensure that that minority view, more extreme, more hostile to women, doesn't prevail? is it a question of intellectually combating it? i mean, how do you make the case that a woman's testimony should be worth as much as a man's in court? >> afirst of all, i would strongly argue that we do not need to. that the need to reform islam is not there. the need to reform how we supplement of the principles of islam is certainly there. we have always argued that it is in the implementation of the blasphemy law that we have issues. >> so you actually defend the idea of a blasphemy law in 2011? >> there are many other countries in the world which also have laws which are very similar -- >> like saudi arabia. is that your role modle? >> like iceland, for instance. no country is any country's role model. i think every

would be in everybody's best interests and would help pakistan develop. one of the biggest problems in pakistan right now is poverty and illiteracy and lack of development. you know, civil institutions that are not strong enough to deliver for the pakistani people. in that environment, you have seen extremism degree. you have seen militants grow that doesn't just threaten our efforts in afghanistan, but threatens the pakistani government and pakistani people as well. trying to get and that orientation is not easy. you know, we will constantly evaluate our relationship with pakistan based on the overall protecting to help america and our interests. we have a great desire to help the pakistani people strengthen their own society and their own government. so, i would be hesitant to punish aid for flood victims in pakistan because of poor decisions by their intelligence services. there's no doubt that we're not going to feel comfortable with a long-term strategic relationship with pakistan. if we don't think they are mindful of our interests as well. i'll mak

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would be in everybody's best interests and would help pakistan develop. one of the biggest problems in pakistan right now is poverty and illiteracy and lack of development. you know, civil institutions that are not strong enough to deliver for the pakistani people. in that environment, you have seen extremism degree. you have seen militants grow that doesn't just threaten our efforts in afghanistan, but threatens the pakistani government and pakistani people as well. trying to get and that orientation is not easy. you know, we will constantly evaluate our relationship with pakistan based on the overall protecting to help america and our interests. we have a great desire to help the pakistani people strengthen their own society and their own government. so, i would be hesitant to punish aid for flood victims in pakistan because of poor decisions by their intelligence services. there's no doubt that we're not going to feel comfortable with a long-term strategic relationship with pakistan. if we don't think they are mindful of our interests as well. i'll mak