while the agency is denying any involvement should the cia change its acronym. why a instead that story is coming up next. that just burns your eyes right i mean it's like a derivative of actual pepper it's a product essentially aha out this is much stronger than anything you'd be by a lot of. thousands of times we're stronger than any kind of. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is. welcome to the big picture. of lindsey lowe in fact you hold the great hope that is when it meant nothing people are suggesting. you know she said she was stocked. up on. a. well as the cia behind the intense occupy wall street crackdown we may never know for sure as the agency is not divulging any information on the subject by law the cia is not allowed to be involved in domestic matters only foreign intelligence issues but after seeing the organized almost military response to the demonstrations throughout the nation some are raising eye

or this administration to restrain them the fact that the cia is operating in with the n.y.p.d. in new york city raises very significant issues as to whether or not they are currently at this moment in violation of fundamental laws restricting their conduct and we want to know what role they have with the occupy movement now we are dealing with the cia. they so who would be tasked with investigating the cia because obviously they can't investigate themselves so what would that would that look like well this is always a problem when agencies you know then turn to police themselves they're not very successful at it there are one way to do it is what we're doing this for the public to make a demand and for the public in the population to insist that the government make public its records so people have a right to know what the government of the united states is doing and that's the step that we've taken that's the first step to make these demands if we need to go to court to obtain information and to try and get a judicial order forcing the government to open its records then we wi

based partnership for civil justice filed a request of the cia to get some answers but their request was denied now this raises many questions and tell me answer the i spoke earlier tomorrow of our hayden hillard executive director of the partnership for civil justice fund she told me what happened when she requested information from the cia under the freedom of information act take a look. we filed the partnership for civil justice fund filed a series of freedom of information act demands against different government agencies when we saw this quick succession of fictions and crackdowns on occupy encampments around the country and the central intelligence agency agency is one of the agencies that we ask that they release records that are in their possession related to the occupy movement and the involvement that they may have now there are a number of responses they could be given but the response they gave us is extremely disturbing and they wrote back saying that they would refuse to process the request basically on the grounds that if the cia had any involvement it would have been

and while the agency is denying any involvement should the cia change its acronym to see why instead that story coming up next. well as the cia behind the intense occupy wall street crackdown we may never know for sure as the agency is not divulging any information on the subject by law the cia is not allowed to be involved in domestic matters only foreign intelligence issues but after seeing the organized almost military response to the demonstrations throughout the nation some are raising eyebrows as to what is behind the crackdown and who exactly is involved a lot agency d.c. based partnership for civil justice filed a request to the cia to get some answers but their request was denied now this raises many questions and to help me answer them i am joined by varied in hillard executive director of the partnership for civil justice fund welcome era when you were a classmate of this information from the cia under the freedom of information act what response did you get well it's more of a hidden hole your book we had fired of on it happens we filed the partition for civil justice fun

for this cardenaz, the cia has been roundly criticized -- for this tardiness, the cia has been roundly criticized. it is something of a bad rap. the cia had been moving in that direction for years. besides, to conclude, before 1989, to conclude that the soviet union would be relegated to the ash heap of history was not only unthinkable in the cia, but also in the kgb. such thinking was pie in the sky, believed to singularly by ronald reagan. we policy wonks, the real soviet experts, we knew better, but we knewere wrong. our remember telling president reagan three times -- i remember telling president reagan three times, you know, since 1970 -- 1917, some 30 countries have gone from capitalism to communism. not one country has ever gone from communism to capitalism, and it is it unlikely that it is going to happen anytime soon. he looked at me and shook the head of his in his wonderful way and said, thank you, ken, that is very interesting. and then went on to say it again a few minutes later. for ronald reagan to believe that we could and would win the cold war, and fairly soon, that i

i was always taught that the cia offices were at the u.s. embassy. while you didn't know who they were, you could make some guesses about them. is it, in fact, true that there are lots of cia officers around that have covers in private business and trading companies and things like that all over the world? >> it's increasingly true. when you and i were getting started as journalists and for the past decades, it's been the case that most cia officers sought what was called official coverers, embassy representatives, other official international organizations. that was acceptable when the target you were facing was soviet diplomats. you'd meet them at cocktail parties, spot them, try to develop them. but the targets are so different now. and so there's a feeling that you need genuinely clandestine platforms. so there's been a lot of experimentation in the areas that i'm imagining in my book, in the book. i invent this goofy entertainment company based in studio city, california, called the hit parade. a platform for cia officers to do completely secret

it tells the story of his father, former cia director william colby. it is called "the man nobody knew: in search of my father, cia spymaster william colby". here is a scene. >> my dad came back from vietnam in 1971. he was appointed by richard nixon to be director of the cia. >> you are familiar with the controversy over the phoenix program in vietnam. there have been allegations that this phoenix program was an assassination program. what are the facts? >> mr. chairman, i have testified on this subject before the senate foreign relations committee in february 1970. tavis: the resemblance to your father is eerie. not scary. you can tell he is your father. that said, before get into the specifics of your story, yours is a unique story. each of our stories is unique but for a son for whoever -- what ever reason did not know the real deal about his father, having done the research now, would you recommend that any sot his father? >> it is the oldest story in the world. for women as well. who is their father or their mother? in this case it is personal be

cia? >> i started working for the fbi as a special agent in by worked with them for less than five years and i transferred from the fbi and worked with fbi agents starting in 2003. i worked a number of high-profile cases for the fbi such as the uss call, the bombing in riyadh, the bombing, the assassination and murder of the u.s. diplomat in 2002, and i was exposed to working with the offices overseas and i -- devalued the culture and linguistic abilities and i transferred from the fbi to the cia and i was dispatched immediately to work in baghdad. sali was involved with saddam hussein obviously that was a successful operation but id to a lot of other cases that i worked for for the cia. >> how long were you for the cia? >> a little less than five years. a little less than ten years of total government service. >> the subtitle of your new book, uncompromised, is the rise, fall and redemption; why in that order? >> because my career had skyrocketed. i had cases that seasoned agents with exp

the cia would not confirm or deny if the video is accurate. a spokeswoman said the agency does not as a rule address claims from terrorist groups. i think it's worth remembering that hezbollah is a dangerous organization with a propaganda arm. that fact alone should cast some doubt on the credibility of the group's claim. bob bare is a former cia officer who served in beirut, was involved in operations targeting hezbollah. i asked him if he found the claims credible. >> i assume it's correct. i think i understand how hezbollah compromised the cia there. they used telephone link analysis. so, you know, once you tie one phone in to another phone, can you pretty well identify a station. >> reporter: in the video, his even produces animations, re-creating meetings it claims occurred at places like mcdonald's and pizza hut and cia agents and recruits. none of that can be verified. he says that hezbollah has eyes and ears all over beirut from the area near the u.s. embassy to the airport, the defense ministry and parliament where the group holds sea

to keep cia the leads that would be easy to interrogate people are things we can. the music was so loud. and it was probably some of the worst talks that they faced . was. all right chris take it from the top we're ready. it's incredible you can go and hearing badge and the haitian. kids you run club or go. well i've always liked music i think most people do actually. music means good luck to me among many other things i love that i've had a chat to to write music partly for a living and partially for fun that's also helping people. it's incredible. nation. christopher soft as a composer for sesame street because his music ups to teach young children how to read and write for forty years he's been working for the famous children's television show during this time he's written more than two hundred songs. their surname. for his work christopher has won many awards. in the show the cookies sesame street residents like me or big bird sing his songs the lyrics of today with magic numbers strange words or the names of the callers but these innocent children songs were a

the cia evidence and the cia study is equivocal on whether there was a war scare. this is important for two reasons. if we actually think that in november 1983 when the soviet union had over 10,000 nuclear warheads on strategic missiles and thousands of nuclear warheads deployed in central europe, soviet leaders thought in that context that nuclear deterrence would not work, we have to rethink what we understand by nuclear weapons. there was no doubt at that time that they could retaliat ane in devastating ways if the u.s. and nato had attacked. some things that would cast doubt, if the real worry was long-term trends that the u.s. might escape from the relationship of mutual deterrence, then that is more understandable anxiety in the way we have thought about the strategic relationship. the final point i want to make s that in ronald reagan's direct for november 18, which is a little time after this able artur nato exercise, he writes, "george shultz and i had a talk maybe about setting up a little in-house group of experts on the soviet union to help us in settin

counter teeth under him and became future cia director's. >> we don't? >> you know, that's the story that does sound intriguing to me to go forward with it. she would have to have a personal thing for me. i'm not one of the journalists who show up and knock on doors. i have to have the story. and it have to have the element that i'm looking for that when it's already in the papers that means the other journalists running around it. and i'm also not for higher. i have to want to write it has met the. but it's intriguing. i would love to see an e-mail from her. if it's something that you have, you know, they handle on i can get in and talk to everyone i want to tell their story, i did write a book about oil, but it was more in the new york merc exchange in dubai. it's intriguing. i start with sob stories all the times. a look at them and be like it's not really right for me or it's going to take too much time or be too dangerous. i also like to put myself into real danger, so it's not a a write a story where it hit involved with not people. i've got nothin

but i get to a lot of other cases that i worked for for the cia. >> how long were you with the cia? >> for a little less than five years, about 10 years, less than 10 years total government service pack the subtitle of your new book, "uncompromised," is the rise, fall and redemption. y. in that order of? >> because my career has skyrocketed that i was being in cases, a seasoned agent with years of experience, and then the same thing, i was given a lot of missions that are needed to accomplish that were extremely hard missions and their detailed in the book. but then after i returned from baghdad i was accused, falsely accuse i should say, as being a terrorist at the board of terrorism. eventually i was exonerated and i'm here today telling my story. >> tell us very quickly about that accusation. >> well, it involves the terrorist group hezbollah and the fbi has thought that i looked into documents related to hezbollah and passed intelligence to hezbollah. i do see that wasn't too. the evidence against me was labeled secret and i wasn't able, the evidence was not shared with me, but

the cia has one. et cetera. the cia was one. the person who was in charge of all of those as the director of central intelligence was also the director of the cia. so the director of the cia was human, and trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others he was supposed to be over, and we found that some of the counterevidence about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction programs, probably didn't get the airing and the hearing it might have. so we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia, who is a separate person, to cull the intelligence, help the president understand when there are disagreements in the intelligence agency, and give more of a total picture of what is going on with intelligence. that was the big reform that was made. >> you also have talked in at least one speech that i know of, about self-defense as part of the context for making the decision to go into iraq. i really want to ask you, when you examined the iraq situation and there was a d

it tale a lot of cases i worked for for the cia. >> how long were you with the cia? >> ten years total government service. >> the subtitle of your new book and compromise is to rise, fall and redemption. why in that order? >> my career skyrocketed. seasoned agents with years of experience. and same thing. i was given a lot of missions i needed to accomplish that were tough and hard emissions that detailed in the book but after i returned from baghdad i was falsely accused of being a supporter of terrorism. eventually and was exonerated and i am here telling my story. >> tell us quickly about that accusation. >> involved the terrorist group hezbollah and the fbi 5 i had documents related to hezbollah. obviously that wasn't true. the evidence against me was labeled secret. the evidence was not shared with me. the cia conducted an investigation and they both exonerated me publicly. >> were you arrested? >> i was not. i pled guilty to charges because i was threatened. the government said they would export made to lebanon and announce the lebanese government that i worked

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and this type of thing you know the cia and f.b.i. got in trouble for this kind of thing after watergate and the laws were so restrictive on the f.b.i. they could even keep things on paper from the newspaper there's a reason for it then enter should be a reason for it now it's called fishing expeditions and the federal government can't go on fishing expeditions unless they have a criminal predicate and probable cause i don't think they have probable cause in boston to look at people involved with occupy wall street that's that's just called a fishing expedition but don't you think wayne is a little bit different i mean back in the time of watergate in the sixty's and seventy's. newspapers were there people are not posting their own personal information these days that's exactly what happens i mean you say that people are doing the cia's job for them but don't you think a little different when people choose to put their thoughts out there when they choose to be on twitter they have to be on facebook they go in knowing that other people

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and i guess i had to submit to. >> host: why did you leave the cia? >> they asked me would you ever go back to government service? i say i am living proof the justice system marks because the truth is in the end i will serve my country and again at the drop of the time. for me it is the optimistic story by any other country if i was accused of these horrendous charges i would be executed only in america do get the chance to tell your story and know that justice prevails in the end and the truth always comes out. >> this is c-span2 we are talking to the author of this book and compromise. . . thank you especially for coming out in the briefing the electrical storms, thunderstorms, tornadoes storms and everything else. we appreciate you being here. i was a muscatine with my husband. i'm one of the new owners of politics and prose and on behalf of our fantastic stuff we welcome you all tonight. this is one of about 475 author vince we do at the store every year, and we believe it is part of our mission as a great independent bookstore to do these evens a

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officer the company's founder once again as the firm was at the cia's disposal with some very risky missions and that's a quote what is that implied just how close were blackwater as links with the cia what can you tell us about that well apparently they were actually quite close and that's one of the biggest problems that i think not just the americans have right now but the europeans as well is that when you have this close relationship between essentially mercenary groups they're not u.s. government or european or brits or german or anybody else these are actually independent companies that you hired to do things that you don't want to do that real question is the ability to control them and the americans did not do this very well that one of the biggest problems that they had was i think they didn't want to they wanted to be able to show off certain things to these guys and say go and do this i think about this when i was doing things as a journalist in iraq in two thousand and five two thousand and six two thousand and seven i saw this there i saw this in afghanistan too so the

we would be helpless if we did not work with dhs, cia, nsa, and the rest of the intelligence community. if there is one substantial change that has made the biggest difference, i would say breaking down the traditional walls between the intelligence community and the domestic law enforcement community because information flows very easily over borders now, and you cannot just see one piece of the puzzle without getting the other piece. it has made a tremendous difference and given rise to the approach from all of us that says we want to work together in a task force context. >> for our radio listeners, you are listening to the commonwealth club of california radio program. our guest today is fbi director robert muller discussing security threats concerning the united states. we would like to ask you a little bit about the national security implications of our energy policy, an issue of much concern in the news and certainly here in silicon valley. what might you say about the relationship between energy policy and some of the national security challenges that the fbi is addressing? >>

the cia the cia clearly there's hundreds of covert operatives there it's been operating and the new numbers world war two hundred seventy two teams right by the road since two thousand forces for several years but the united states has a code word iraq should the word operation but there's really no big word about it it's reported on it's really understood it's widely discussed or there that year i think most likely that's going to be the particular targets of the study military service now scott please stand by i want to get back to you in just a bed and i want to turn now to what could be one of the worst atrocities and the war on terror get many americans don't even know what happened this month marks the ten year anniversary of the massacre that took place in afghanistan it happened at dosh the laili the local it's located in the desert of northern afghanistan near shah bargain charges that an afghan warlord took custody of thousands of taliban prisoners from u.s. forces and then allowed them to die witnesses say that prisoners were crammed into metal containers and transported to the s

the cia analysts have on bin laden's trail over there for 10 years. they were the most expert at al qaeda and bin laden, and his associates. they had a very focused mission. they had all the resources they needed. they were not the thousands of analysts who want to get into counterterrorism somehow and who were doing reports that were not unique in not hopeful. domestically, the fbi's counterterrorism agents. if you like about the plots and potential paths undone and discovered since 9/11, they did not come through the homeland security see something come to say something campaign, were you supposed to report people who look like they're doing something's position is. they did not come from a dragnet approach to this. they came from a group of people who have again are very highly trained, very experienced in terrorism. that is then have foiled a brief read about all of these recently, potential plots. overseas i would say that the joint special operations command, highly secretive troupe called the joint special operations command -- i had to devote

and i was very fortunate to be able to come here to the cia and teach. i've been here for 11 years. i've had my time inhe sun, as it were, and now it's time for me to help other people get there. >> it's a meal that's cooked, grown, and harvested by students practicing sustainable culinary methods. in napa valley, charlotte fadipe for "california country tv." >> thanks, charlotte. the cia is a great place to visit, and one more reason to visit it-- th just opened a flavor bar, where you can taste different flavors and ingredients just like a chef does. kind of cool, huh? well, coming up next, we're visiting a farm that has withstood the test of time and is stronger than ever. that's next. >> welcome back to "california country." you know, there are a lot of longtime farming families in the state, but very few of them have quite the story as our next family. here in california, the landscape is dotted with farmers that have stories of courage, dedication, and perseverance in the face of adversity. however, none have quite the history of the ikeda family, but to see how far they have

he was fired as cia director in the 1970's. he continued raising eyebrows by advocating nuclear bombs on lemont. the president -- nuclear disarmament. president clinton honored his memory. >> his children and his wife are very proud of him for what he accomplished. >> jack smith, news in washington. >> what is your relationship with his second wife? >> kordell. i would see him and her when i would visit washington in the 1980's and early 1990's. every few months we would get together and have dinner at his house. i kept up with my father on the telephone. >> how do you think he died? >> i think, as the quarter reports, probably over exerted himself and had a heart attack or a stroke while he was out paddling his canoe in the evening after he had a few drinks and fix himself his favorite meal. i have to say, in my opinion, i hark back to a conversation i had with him a few months before he died. i call them up and said, by the way, your old friend john -- judge peter was found under a bridge in vermont. he has advanced alzheimer

intelligence community have in pakistan the cia the cia clearly has hundreds of covert operatives there it's been operating an enormous drone war two hundred seventy two strikes by grown since two thousand and four system for seven years i dispute by the united states is a code word action covert operation but is really nothing about it it's reported on it's fully understood it's rightly discussed in part a step more there than here i think most likely that's going to be the particular target that the pakistani military and intelligence service. and that was contributing editor out harper's magazine scott horror and still ahead here on our team from a tortured past to enhanced interrogation of the future no matter what you call it if you laugh a little blood thirsty any of days or at least the senate anyways that story next. lindsey lowe and keep hold of the reach of these women nothing people are so to speak she's told her no she says she's a star. in the lead. inside only military records do the work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government sho

the cia has one, and better. the person who was in charge of all of those is the director of central intelligence was also the head of the cia. so we had this strange situation in which we thought this different intelligence reporting, but obviously the director of the cia was human. he trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others that are supposed to be over. and we found that some of the counteracted and about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction programs probably didn't get the airing in the hearing of playing a period so we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia. he's a separate person, to call the intelligence, helped the president understand when their disagreements and intelligence agents the end give more of a total picture of what's going on with intelligence. so that the civic reform reform that was made. >> you also have talked to in at least one speech that i know about in self defense as part the contest for making the

refuses to disclose the cia refuses to disclose the name of the former cia middle east asian chief who is in the senior ranks of the demographics unit this is the level of coordination they depend on muslims in muslim communities to spy on americans and pakistani americans thank you so much we are out of time unfortunately but thank you so much for weighing in that was writing fellow for the nation and said to enact blumenthal well capital account is on next on our team let's check in with lauren lester to see what's on the agenda today lauren a lens we have a very exciting show because i don't know if you saw this spectacle that was john corazon on the hill today or maybe not the spectacle he didn't plead the fifth and he may as well have he kept saying that he didn't have the records to really answer a lot of the questions about how one point two billion dollars of his customers money could possibly be missing from when he was head of the firm this is a guy who was a governor this is a guy who was the c.e.o. of goldman sachs and he may have stolen. asked him or money we're going to g

gee partners and the cia's former top counterterrorism official all right gentlemen this is crosstalk i mean you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first let's go to our correspondent is it does it look like these two countries are at loggerheads or are they going to have a collision well we'll see if it goes this far but it does appear that all efforts to mend this troubled relationship are experiencing repeated reversal we've seen this year the killing of two pakistanis by a cia contractor the cessation of osama bin laden more recently but he was accusations of pakistan's collaboration with militants and now a deadly nato air strike that hits an all time low. the attacks last friday were still at least twenty four pakistani soldiers has tossed outrageousness along about and prompted an indefinite shutdown of transit routes that supply needed. troops in afghanistan the pakistani army called the air strike unprovoked and question why it lasted two hours and targeted well known border post. this was a premeditated murder of this person soldiers and i think th