when biden interrupted him, ryan gaining jabs at obama. >> i know you felt positive towards biden tell me why. >> correct. i thought biden had a lot of good knowledge. a lot of experience behind him. i thought he spoke eloquently. i felt he could be president of the united states. i liked him. >> do you -- what was it about biden's performance that barack obama didn't do? >> it was, go ahead. >> he was passionate and he didn't sound scripted. >> you felt that obama did? >> yes. >> now... you know he had a command of almost all of the issues and almost all of the -- anything that came up, he seemed to have a natural flow to it. >> compare biden's performance with obama's a week ago? >> yes. obama seemed distracted like he didn't want to be there. biden acted like there is no place in the world he'd rather be than right there. >> biden had no passion when explaining everything then obama did last -- . >> he felt comfortable. >> he's a good debateor. excellent. >> he didn't use a teleprompter to get a point across. >> okay. i do the jokes here. >> okay. >> what about ryan? what ryan had t

mirror image of biden. vice president spent third most time talking about the problems in the arab world for the congressman from wisconsin. number three, entitlements, such as medicare, social security. that's our team of timers actually scored it. unlike the last debate, what was also striking, how similar two candidates were to the time they devoted to key issues, not because they agreed, instead because for every punch, an equally sharp counterpunch. some examples, each different almost completely. but at times, around 5:00 each were nearly identical. same on foreign policy side on iran, again, disagreement, and again about equal time. 4:30 each. likewise on ending the war in afghanistan. the vice president and congressman ryan spoke for nearly the same length of time about 5:00. however, what they said could not be more different. like night and day. correspondents standing by with each side. stay with us. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is

when he thanked joe biden, biden was smirking. i thought that came across as very disrespectful and symbol symbolic of the way that joe biden handled the night. on the substance, i was struck by the same thing with respect to libbia. it seemed that vice-president was criticizing the intelligence community, in some ways, by not giving them as much information as we thought. he blamed all the false statements of the obama administration on the intelligence community and seemed to raise questions about the confidence of the intelligence community and in a discussion about iran, he said, we will know when they go to -- when they go to a break-out for the bomb. it seems to me, there is major tension between those two statements on the one hand, suggesting they are not competent enough to know what happened on the ground in libya but saying they will know for sure if iran decides to go for the bomb. >> on domestic policy, we heard joe biden do what his boss, barack obama, did not, hammer the 47% comoant that mitt romney said and was tal

it was the aggressive joe biden, democrats wanted and it was an aggressive joe biden they got. >> it has been done couple of times >> it has never -- >> [ inaudible ] >> oh, now you are john kennedy. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of americans are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> biden was caught smirking smiling, and even laughing through much of the debate. not sure how you could not laugh because of the lies coming from ryan. according to the twitter verse biden's most popular remark of the night was when he asked ryan now you are jack kennedy. that lead to more than 7,000 tweets per minute. we will have more on the debates coming up on bill press and on our current news updates. join us in our chat room current.com/bill press. see you there. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. are you in good hands? [ ryan ] it doesn't get any better than endless shrimp at red lobster. you ca

medicare, biden. >> chris? >> biden. passion resonates probably more than ryan and ryan didn't do what he had to in terms of undercutting vice president biden. >> i agree biden rallied the base with his behavior, but i think he lost a lot of independents and moderates based on his disrespectful behavior. >> who looked more presidential? >> biden. ryan didn't look ready for primetime. >> chris? >> biden. >> ryan was respectful and factual. >> our friday political power panel after an exciting night last night, right? all enjoyed the debate, i thought. thank you to all of you. >> thanks. >>> here is a live look at the space shuttle "endeavour" wrapping up his final journey to a los angeles museum. the spacecraft is used to travel at warped speeds. early this morning it crawled just two miles an hour through the streets of los angeles. we know how bad the traffic is. 400 trees and lots of traffic lights were taken down to make room for the five-story tall shuttle what a sight that must be. >> if you go with ryan, what he be

joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s

smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rose: mark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big issues that the president did not prosecute in the last debate. two, i think it is clear that with paul ryan will come out of it having a lot of favorable impressions and for a lot of people the impression he is ready to be president if that were required. the big open question is, how much will this debate be defined with the romney campaign's efforts and willingness on the part of the weed by joe biden's verbal and visual ticks which could end up this is all it is remembered for, even if that is dominant on cable and in comedy shows, which i think it certainly will be, i don't think this debate is really going to change much about the trajectory of where the race is, it is all going to

so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspir

the contrast wasn't just between biden and ryan but between biden and president obama. the cover, vote for joe, vp shows obama how to debate. inside, smirky biden upstages his boss. with me, former ohio governor and former democratic ted strickland. did he show up the boss? >> no, but he showed up paul ryan and that's what i think is was important. he showed a lot of heart. joe biden in my judgment is not only a good public servant and good political leader but he's a good human being. he cares deeply about this country and the people who have been left behind, the struggling middle class. that came across last night. >> i had a democratic say to me if you want the passion, you're going to get stuff that you don't like. it was some of the smirks and sort of overly gregarious emotion. are you in that camp? >> chuck, some of the same people criticizing the vice president for interrupting and smiling or they say smirking last night were the same people who were applauding mitt romney for being strong and for interrupting about a week ago. they can't have it both ways. i fe

so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: many americans are still trying to figure out what the administration knew about the libya terror attack. joe biden started out of the gate last night. >> what were you first told about the attack? why were people talking about protests? when people in the consulate first saw armed me there were no protesters? why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community, the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed. we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, said what the intelligence community told us they knew

first, biden. breanna keilar is joining us from the debate hall. >> we're out there doing a walk through of this debate hall this afternoon. the vice president retired to a home not far from center college. he reviewed some of his notes. got in a nap or rest i'm told by one source for about an hour or so and he had dinner with his family and a team of aides. he's been getting ready for this night for months, but most of the prep took place the last few days during an intensive debate camp. as cnn first brought you exclusively, these pictures show joe biden practicing for debate night. >> i would describe him as method cal. he always prepares. the thing he prepares for the most the political debates. >> biden spent the last four days at this sheridan hotel in wilmington, delaware. the set-up shows a ballroom complete with a similar blue backdrop, red carpet and table shaped like the one he'll share with his republican rival. just like in these photos, biden will be seated on the the left. paul ryan

he learned biden's gestures. he learned biden's ability to be very bomb pastic and loud on the stump and then suddenly go to a dramatic whisper. the romney campaign was constantly buffeting ryan with these types of examples of biden's debate skills trying to prep him for it. and one of the things that the romney campaign continues to say over and over again is that the format in which the candidates are seated next to each other isn't going to lend itself to the type of major league brawl that so many people have been talking about because it's so hard to call somebody a name when you're literally touching knees beneath the table (i don't have any problem doing that. >> yeah. joe biden, maybe -- >> there is a concern it won't happen. >> bill: you know that. if you're a pinhead, your a pinhead. if you're across the room or here, it's the way it is. henry, i want to talk to you about the little dustup you had with jay carney about libya. i used it in my talking points memo. we were laying out the time line and how

only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w

joe biden was on his game. he's trending on twitter in a good way, in a bad way, he clearly was in command of the stage last night. >> both of them performed well. paul ryan was much more confident and assured than he was in his speech, acceptance speech in august. i think he handled himself very well. i think biden delivered more of what his side needed. look at the polling. cnn poll had ryan winning, cbs poll had biden winning. biden was effective when he got back to framing this as a choice of who is on your side. ryan, in the answer on libya was effective when he could get back to whether the past four years justify another four years. those are each strong arguments for those remaining undecided voters, which is why i think the debate, above all, shows we may be headed for the third photo finish presidential election out of the last four. >> jessica, if you listen to the reaction, it appears from joe biden's performance, i think people are saying, you know, joe biden, after that phone call with president o

>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh, god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon, no

biden or ryan pat buchanan? >> they both made the case both parties have been making for a long, long time. this debate, john, was an excellent debate. ryan came and presented himself as an intelligent, personable, attractive guy, who you would like a great deal. but the star of the show was clearly joe biden. he had a number of statements he made i thought were excellent. but the issue the next day is that joe biden was boarish, he interfered, interrupted, was contemptuous and condescending to ryan and this is the talk the day after the debate. people are saying ryan won, republicans are saying ryan won, democrats are saying biden wonment he rallied a base that had been demoralized by roughing up ryan as well he could. but the second part where libya, i think those things make it the democratic party the day after. >> that may be too high octane as a negative descriptive. >> i would's hold to it. >> you are watching too much cable news television, pat. i thought joe biden did exactly what he needed to do. he ra

they called in a doctor for assistance >> i did not evaluate joe biden. but if someone said to me, listen, we want you to do what's really required to know what happened there, you have to put dementia on the differential diagnosis. >> jon: yes, yes, that rare form of dementia where you remember too much. by the way, this knuckle head, keith ablow, is on fox's medical a-team. little fact their b-team is is a chimp with a screwdriver. to sum up fox's post debate coverage, joe biden was an angry demented abusive drunk old crazy person who mopped the floor with our guy. we'll be right ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: welcome back. we're talking about last week's vice presidential debate. there was something very unusual about that debate. had to do with the moderator martha raddatz >> wasn't this a massive intelligence failure, vice president biden? you have refused again to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across-the-board tax cut >> not a single thing he said is accurate. first of all... >> be specific. that's another question. how do you do that

biden's interrupt. look at how biden interjected himself when ryan was speaking. >> here is the problem. they got caught with their hans in the cookie jar turning medicare in a piggy bank for obama care and their octoberiary one out of the six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. they are projected to lose the current medicare advantage they can. more signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> mr. vice-president, i know you are under a lot of durress to make up for lost ground, but i think people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> by one count. 83 times biden interrupted. how effective was that as a strategy. >> it was effective paul. there might have been 25 interruptions . somebody counted. 83 interruptions and joe biden spoke three-quarters of the time and that means he effectively destroyed every statement that paul rhine tried to make. biden came across as a bar room bore but in the r room you can say thanks old-

i will give biden this much. last night he went from being a gaffe omatic to being a laugh omatic. >> the obama administration had the exact same position. let's recall that they disavowed their own now we have them in place because of congress, they say the military option is on the table but not being viewed as credible so they stopped viewing nuclear weapons. >> how do you do it so quickly? you both saw benjamin netanyahu. >> we can debate the time line. whether it's that short of time or longer. i agree it's probably longer. number two, thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it's in spite of their opposition. >> oh, god. >> laura: this was odd. even learnt guys -- elevate left of center. found the constant smirking, smiling and constant interrupting off-putting. in your face debate strategy didn't wear so well and perhaps distracted from some of the stronger substantive points. speaking of substance, joe biden told a number of big whoppers last night but i'm going to stick to three of them. first, on

son beau biden. what did you think? >> he was in command of that stage. he was in command of the facts. he painted a stark contrast between what he and the president want to do for this country and what paul and mitt romney would do. what i was most struck by is paul ryan opening up the idea they were going to put additional forces in afghanistan. my father laid out the clear state policy of the administration. paul ryan demonstrated tonight that it might not be his area of expertise, and he opened the door for additional forces. i'm interested to see what the conversation is in the romney camp right now. >> well, what do you think of this debate over foreign policy, since you were over there in afghanistan in your service for our country? is it a real fight? it's been pointed out earlier tonight by rachel especially that if you listen to it, there's no real debate, in terms of they're not willing to say, let's go to war on the ground in syria. they're not willing to say, let's go to war with iran. t

vice president biden has done this before. hopefully he is not afraid to be fies ehopefully he can really get to the main talking points and show the people where we think the country is headed the next four years. >> he's clear. he's articulate. paul ryan, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have his facts together. he's been there, sew knows the behind the scenes, so he's really sort of giving us flow by flow what's been going on for the last four years. >> democrat say vice president joe biden needed to avoid any gaffes and paint ryan as the face of the conservative wing of the republican party and who supports severe spending cut, changes to medicare and they lack foreign policy experience. >> i think the president is an excellent president. he is a very decent man. sometimes he's too desefnts joe biden is showing that you have to say what the facts are even if it means calling swownt when they're saying something that's not true. >> i think he's being really authentic and he knows the facts and because he's smiling, i thin

last night, the show was all about biden versus biden. so the vice president gave both sides a lot to latch on to. for the democratic base, it was a great performance. biden went out and did exactly what president obama did not do in his first debate. he pressed his opponent. he gave an aggressive performance. for paul ryan, he stood on the stage or sat, in this case, and was able to hold his own against the vice president. >> so keith, do you think that congressman ryan held his own? >> i do not. >> surprise. i knew you were going to -- >> obviously mitt romney did a much better job, i think, last week. i don't think this -- >> let me pause you on that. you think mitt romney did a better job because so many democrats were saying the reason that the president struggled is because he was being hit with untruths and inaccuracies by mitt romney. how did that come as a better job when today you're not hear a lot of hard fact check at least rebuttal on what congressman ryan -- you may disagree with the policy plan but his facts in many cases w

i would say joe biden barely pulled it out. go back to kennedy and nixon on the radio but watching it come with the blade he came across even though as a bully he came across more dominant. gerri: i felt the opposite. >> depends what you are looking for. dominant, powerful, what does his voice sound like? gerri: so much fun. california on the verge of financial ruin will offer up private pension plan. by the state cannot get its act together. >> the steadies point* witty will give another 200 -- 29 of a $2,000. >> the doughnut hole with $600 more. the bush tax cuts, 800 million -- billion -dollar. >> 1.7 -- 1.6 trillion dollar of wealth loss. gerri: numbers confusion. joe iden could not get hs facts straight. the truth behind his the truth behind his outrageous claims. ♪ grew up in a small town and when the rain would fall down ♪ ♪ i'd just stare out my window ♪ ♪ dreaming ofhat could be and if i'd end up happy ♪ ♪ i would pray i could breakaway ♪ ♪ i'll spread my wings and i'll learn how to fly ♪ i'll do wh

>> i think joe biden won the debate. his mission was to go in, energize democrats, defend the president's record and challenge congressman ryan on some of the misrepresentations that they've made about obama/biden record and frankly, ask him for specifics about what they would do, this mystery tax plan and whose budget are they actually running on. i think he did all of that last night and did it really well. >> kristen, do you agree with that? >> no, but i think it's possible for republicans to really think their guy won and for democrats to really think their guy won. i don't think this is partisan spinning because both men went in with different objectives. joe biden went in with his objective being i'm going to heckle the republicans, and fire up my base. he did that. i think paul ryan said i have to go in and prove i can be vice president or president of the united states. i think there are no republicans out there complaining about his performance. i think he did a good job, he did exactly what he needed to. >> i d

in terms of biden being aggressive, joe biden is authentic. he says what he means, does what he says. spoke with conviction tonight. he cares about what he's saying and that showed. that came across to the american people. >> now, congressman ryan also made the case that this has been a negative campaign and he got some points in. are you convinced that there will be a difference showing up at the polls in the coming days? >> very little movement in the polls in the last week. >> a slide for you guys. >> a slight movement. this is a close race. we said it would be a close rate up to the end. these debates important. people are starting to make decisions. tonight, two very, very different visions, the difference between lifetime of fighting for the middle class versus someone who just learned the words middle class the past four weeks. >> what should we expect from the president the next to you weeks? will his he can bait be different. >> he will come ready to go, fired up and the course of the next couple of days, he'll continue getting ready

joe biden just needs to be joe biden. >> reporter: they described his mood as upbeat. whether joe biden and ryan uses first names, remains to be scene. the moderator will introduce him as congressman, although he is far less experienced than joe biden, ryan's advisers don't seem worried. >> he can talk about all his years in washington, all the multiple times he has run for president, the tough decisions he has made. they have a record that is bad for the country, he will have to defend it. >> what he can't run from is the president's record. >> reporter: aides say mr. ryan spent the afternoon relaxing with family, working in time for last minute studying. he even hit the gym, just as an old-time picture hits the stands, and a pep talk from his seven-year-old son, sam. now we're on the college campus, of course, which means certain traditions need to be upheld. a couple of days ago, a student brought the picture of fred vincent into the debate hall. he has not missed a home football game here since he passed away. now finally, president obama will watch tonight's debat

biden program or presidency. i thought it was a huge distraction. >> i think he was really sent on a mission because the president was just the opposite. he was very lethargic. he was very, just the opposite of what you saw last night from biden. i think he went in there, whether himself or people testimonying him to do it, probably himself and maybe a combination of both, i think he had to be aggressive because the president was not aggressive, not aggressive at all. i being he really had no choice. i was very -- i would have been very surprised if he didn't act very aggressive, which he d. now, he interrupted a lot, and he smiled and laughed, you know, but the laugh was a disparaging laugh. but i think he had no choice because they needed something to energize them. you couldn't have somebody else go in quietly and get awiwith it, in my opinion. >> greta: okay. they may have energized their base with it. but do you wonder, i mean, the ultimate goal, i would think is to attract the undecided and independent vote

the top search was biden. next was the word focornflating and then the word malarkey. >> it's never been done before. >> it's been done a couple times. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> you're no jack kennedy moment, lloyd benson would be proud. meantime, twitter was ablazed with celebrity involvement. bill maher wrote, hello, 911, there's an old child beating on my tv. and post debate results just in. ryan now at 6% body fat, 94% water. the "politicsnation" facebook crowd was plugged in, too. marilynn said, thank god for joe's crisp vision he painted on behalf of the middle class. janet says her new favorite word is malarkey and roger was happy. the good old 47 was brought back to life. we want to hear what you think, too. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. we'll be talking about how to return of the 47% ruined paul ryan's night. that's next. that was me still taking insulin with a vial

but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom line is

>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon not

biden? >> i think his biggest challenge is expectations. you have been talking about that pew poll that shows more people thought that paul ryan is going to do better than joe biden. i watched joe biden four years ago in all the democratic primary debates. he did very, very well. i think going into this debate, joe biden has been underestimated. the guy will come off very, very well, and you end up having a republican base that has put so much energy into paul ryan, who wants him to succeed, and the expectations for his very first debate like this might be a very difficult for him. >> indeed. professor dyson, we have just learned that mitt romney met with the reverend billy graham and his son. the campaign did not immediately offer comment on whether there was an endorsement. you can see a picture there, the campaign tweeted. the elder graham, of course, is well-respected by the nation, but his son, franklin, once questioned the president's christianity as well as whether mormonism is, in fa