>> that was - i really like this section on judaism. the guy you interviewed really spoke to me, and when i think of myth, and i think of alienation, and he talks about vain hatred and rites of passage, it all speaks to me of why are we here? and why must we suffer? why is life so hard? and i bet you it was better before i was born. >> you're right. >> or before our culture came into being. when were we with god, because i know we were with god once. and that's what it speaks to me of, and it speaks to me of struggle, of life, and he really hit the nail on its head in his interview with you. >> well, you see, we're starting to draw these threads together. and while i tend to take an expansive view of spirituality and religion, there is a distinctly religious life, and obviously, what rabbi bronstein is speaking of, and dr. lorberbaum are speaking of, is a life where your primary motivational function is religious - that's what motivates you. and we do live in a rather confused time in our particular culture, because you don't really kno

. >> so if my path is heading towards catholicism or judaism or whatever, that is not in conflict with what you're doing? >> no. >> it's not a conflict for us. >> are you open year-round, and do you have a brochure? >> yes! [laughter] >> i think it's interesting, because we've just been through a session on judaism - the ancient myths and rituals stories - and both starhawk and margot adler - came out of intellectual, atheistic, radical jewish families. they are, in a sense, the contemporary flowering of judaism, in the sense that they are returning to very ancient roots, that old rock upon which all the world's religions, i believe, have been based. >> now which changes not. >> huh? >> now which changes not. >> ah, yes. >> well, the jewish tradition, in other words, is fulfilled in both margot adler and starhawk - they're both jewish. >> yes. >> that's the point i made. >> yeah, and i think that does also fit - back with judaism, we were talking about different interpretations of the genesis story, the alienation story, and i love your myth about leaving the fires, leaving it and goin

>> no, and in this sense, it is similar to judaism. one cannot make an image of god. to make an image is to limit. you cannot have an image without limitation of lines, colors, forms, so forth. god is beyond limitation. >> wherever one is creating, it is there a feeling of an intellectual concept? >> it is all of those. first of all, is the presence, then a feeling, and then an intellectual point. sometimes a warmth, elements of nature that are symbolic of pretoria letties. but in give you an example. protestants also reject pictures of god. in protestant churches, especially lutheran churches, you do not have pictures of god. when a young boy praise to god, he does not have a statue of god in front of him, like a hindu boy praying to ganesh. i would not like to call it abstract. >> when you are in the mosque praying, do you actually feel god's presence? >> very much. a sacred place before god's presence. he sees us. although we do not see him, because there is no form, but we have form, and god sees us. for example, the power of vision. we associate vision with our t

stages of the state and we still lived under the impression of jews being persecuted because of the judaism and the national belonging to the jewish collective which actually was the fall of the of the wall by the end of or. so. that part of it was a safe haven for jews is neither the fast track for those who are running away because of the for the live because of the jewishness as from now ninety eight percent of the jews are living outside of the immediate threat for their life i mean the twenty four thousand jews in iran four thousand jews in morocco to jews in afghanistan they're not talking to each other and that's it. the overwhelming majority of the jews are living in a democratic hemisphere. so we should have a normal equal to all citizenship maybe there should be the paragraph that if one individual you or me or me or my uncle or you is being persecuted because of the judaism they will have a kind of struck into citizenship to protect them otherwise all the rest of them normal procedure to join the the israeli collective is for the right of return of the palestinians if there will

[inaudible] it does not accept the concept that judaism does not accept the concept either. so, we do have a big problem here of education, and there are parties that are interested in fanning the flames of islamaphobia. unfortunately, historically, the coalition between right-wing -- and right-wing zionism is a phenomenon of relatively recent origin. i can even trace it back to possibly the 70's in the wake of the 1967 war. that was a major, major watershed because it inspired the millenarian movement in this country into thinking that the second coming is imminent, now that israel has conquered the entire west bank and the whole of palestine including -- this is one of the pretty normal signs of the second coming. this is very powerful, a very powerful death in evangelical christianity in the united states particularly and the look who does have actually consciously tried to establish a political alliance. bacon made a point of doing this. whereas labor zionism would not deal with evangelicals. very interesting. labor zionism would not even talk to them, but bacon -- begin

we want to see the three great legions that sprang forth from -- judaism, christianity, and is -- judaism, christianity, and is

talking about the great myths in the sacred texts, describing different kind of ritual patterns in judaism. well, the same thing exists in a country like the united states, that we see these - what ideally these celebrations that we go through do is provide social cohesion - it brings us together, it makes us - identity, a sense of unity. at least, we may be very diverse in the country, but we can come together around this event and agree on something. notice - thinking back, for those of you who are old enough to have lived through the so-called vietnam era, what you saw there is absolute atomic bomb disruption of the american mythos. civil religion was so damaged that people were struggling to try to find meaning in any kind of ritual - very, very difficult to be an american in 1970. you were either on one side or the other - you were bound into one civil religious thing or into another. yeah, janet? >> my friend, robert, went to war. he enlisted in the marines, and to this day, the u.s. flag has no special meaning for him, because its whole mythological symbolism was found, for his life

it's just beginning to break the umbilical cord with judaism. roman persecution is intense. anger by the jews, who haven't accepted christianity- tensions within that community. a very difficult time. competition, still, with the roman mystery cults. so what is this religion meant to do? it's meant to bolster christian spirit in the face of martyrdom. so an apocalyptic theodicy- a religious one- says, "yes, you're suffering. yes, it hurts. yes, change is a bummer. but on the cosmic level, this is wonderful, because what's happening in heaven is the beginning of the end time, and that shows that just around the corner, you will be saved, you'll be vanquished." so you can bear up under it, and that's what we see. now the branch davidians, this is a classic religious apocalyptic theodicy, running in the minds of david koresh and his followers, in which they're at the end - time, they're on- he literally transfers, as we see in this roll-in; actually, we'll see it here very shortly- the actual plain of armageddon- he transfers it to the plains of texas. and in the minds of his f

when i'm done with o'reilly he will convert to judaism. this guy is going down. >> bill: all right. we'll see and we'll be right >> bill: back of the book segment tonight, many conservative americans very happy today after watching the debate. joining us from washington fox news star laura ingraham. did you hear any gloating today, laura. >> well, bill, before we get into the gloating, can i say that i just drove past the george washington university convention area where your debate is going to be. you thought those today show summer concert series lines were big, i mean, you have got people with tents there. we have got little kerosene stoves. >> bill: is that right? >> laura: hot dogs, hamburgers, like a hamburgable festival. >> they are waiting in stewart. >> it's a wild story here in d.c. nobody is talking about the debate. they are talking about the debate to come on saturday night. >> bill: rumble 2012.com. a lot different than last night. when i was doing the radio factor, i really because what i like about talk radio so much is that you speak to a wide variety of people the

when i'm done with o'reilly he will convert to judaism. this guy is going down. >> bill: all right. we'll see and we'll be right does your phone give you all day battery life ? droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does it do turn-by-turn navigation ? droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4g lte network, and motorola, droid does. get $100 off select motorola 4g lte smartphones like the droid razr. >> bill: back of the book segment tonight, many conservative americans very happy today after watching the debate. joining us from washington fox news star laura ingraham. did you hear any gloating today, laura. >> well, bill, before we get into the gloating, can i say that i just drove past the george washington university convention area where your debate is going to be. you thought those today show summer concert series lines were big, i mean, you have got people with tents there. we have got little kerosene stoves. >> bill: is that right? >> laura: hot dogs, hamburgers, like a hamburgable festiva

so we'll see you next time, with judaism.

when i'm done with o'reilly he will convert to judaism. this guy is going down. >> bill: all right. we'll see and we'll be right back. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. even get free delivery! don't miss 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. the inventory clearance sale ends monday. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >> bill: back of the book segment tonight, many conservative americans very happy today after watching the debate. joining us from washington fox news star laura ingraham. did you hear any gloating today, laura. >> well, bill, before we get into the gloating, can i say that i just drove past the george washington university convention area where your debate is going to be. you thought those today show summer concert series lines were big, i mean, you have got people with tents there. we have got little kerosene s

>> steven spielberg: my judaism. >> stahl: ...you were jewish? oh. >> steven spielberg: uh-huh. >> stahl: were you ashamed? >> steven spielberg: uh-huh. i often told people my last name was german, not jewish. i'm sure my grandparents are rolling over in their graves right now, hearing me say that. but i think that, you know, that i was in denial for a long time. >> stahl: so when people say that a lot of your movies are about outsiders, that's what you must've felt. >> steven spielberg: oh, yeah. i was an outsider for all... most of my formative years. >> stahl: what saved him was a camera he got from his dad. >> howard. get away from there. >> stahl: when he was 16, he made his first talkie called "firelight," a science fiction thriller he produced, directed, wrote, edited, and showed at the local movie theater. you obviously got a lot of approval for these early films. you got a lot of attention. was that what motivated you to go on with it? was that, "oh, my god, i'm finally being accepted?" >> steven spielberg: well, i had found a way to acc

them to have the kind of brotherhood that we all hope for in these great religions of christianity, judaism, islam, etc. before we can have that real brotherhood, that feeling of love for my fellow human being, i think we have to grow up and mature a lot when it comes to perceiving the realities that we think we know already, you know. i'm talking about our nation. the way i perceive our nation, i think, is very healthy for me, and i wish all african-americans could perceive this america the way i perceive it, but they don't. and the many white americans that i have become acquainted with perceive this nation as not the way that i think would give me a good life and my children a good life if i passed those feelings on to my children. so american people, in my opinion- and not only the way we perceive america, the way we look at human beings, too, human life and everything, i think we are a society of people that are far advanced when it comes to science and technology, and even the ability to socialize with each other- we are more socially mature than most people that i meet outside of ame

celebrated in memory in spain and the moment of great cultural cooperation between islam christianity and judaism -- >> that's something of it, but what that book came out of is something else. what was growing in india at that time was not an islamic, but nationalism, and one important aspect of that was to raise the issue of authenticity. what was an authentic indian, and that the hindu thought it was only the hindu experience of india was authentically indian, and all the minorities, the largest, the muslim minority, were in some way inauthentic; right? i found that very annoying, and so i thought that i would take a very small indian minority, the south indian jewish community. >> yeah. .. >> have this same freedom of expression in? i would broaden that to the complete the part list and trashy video that may be calculated to offend. >> figures speech includes that. not just artist but garbage makers. i don't think even he knows his name. [laughter] is often the case to find yourself defending stuff you don't like. there was a film made in pakistan called international guerrilla us about a gro

spoke with moses, he spoke with jesus- these people are all invited, and we should make the point that judaism, christianity, and islam all share a great tradition. other relationship- oh, yeah, jamie, you jump in here. >> well, it's similar to what her thought was. i'm just wondering if the number five had any other special significance in the muslim religion? >> you know, i honestly don't know. seven usually comes up big in most other traditions- i'm thinking christianity. i don't know the five- well, we'll see that with the five, it corresponds to the times of the day- you know, morning, midday, late afternoon, evening- so it corresponds to actually the light; there's a wonderful sense of beauty- beauty is really important in islam. yeah? >> well, the zakat- is that how you pronounce it? >> sounds good to me. >> well, this reminds me, a couple years ago, i had to- there was a visiting professor here from egypt, and we had to type an accounting book, an islamic accounting book. so all this stuff is starting to- it's bringing back to my memory about the alms to the poor, so that it's all set

c-span: the last several essays in your book, of the 41, is about judaism or about being a jew. >> guest: mm-hmm. c-span: where are you? are you a practicing jew? >> guest: sort of. that is, i'm a member of a jewish congregation, and i go to synagogue on the high holidays. i attend bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs. i do not observe jewish law because i never did. i think if i had it to do over again, i would be more observant. but i don't have it to do over again, and i'm not going to completely change my life now. that's rather silly, i think. but being jewish has never been a problem for me. c-span: what does that mean? >> guest: well, i--i--you know, i... c-span: what is being jewish? i mean, what i--what's the culture? >> guest: well, it's not a question of culture. it's a question of identity. i always knew i was jewish. i never thought of not being jewish. i was always very pleased to be jewish. after all, not everyone is a member of the chosen people, and so i just went along. even when i was not all that observant--i still am not all that observant--being jewish just came naturally

memory of moorish spain and the moment of great cultural cooperation between islam, christianity and judaism -- >> that's something that, you know, what that book really came out of was something else. what was growing in india at that time was not a, not an islamic, but a hindu fanaticism. the rise of extremist hindu nationalism. and one important aspect of that was to raise the issue of authenticity. what was an authentic indian? and the hindu nationalist answer was that only the hindu experience of india was authentically indian. and what it meant was that all the minorities, of course, the largest minority being the muslim religion, were inauthentic. and i found that annoying. and so i was about to take the south indian jewish community and then create an even smaller minority by having somebody from that community marry into a south indian catholic family, thus creating a catholic/jewish individual who was probably a minority of one person, you know? [laughter] in a country of a billion people. and then show that you could actually grow the whole experience of india out of that one pers

he didn't like judaism and christianity, mind you, but he said about islam, and he was talking about philanderers, he say i welcome this religion. why? because that religion says yes to life. it created a great culture. it says yes to life. it is not t that we have to hide our women, it is not the debate about whether your beard should be that length or that robe should be that length. this is a great religion when we wish to discuss cultural things and reason and philosophy and aristotle and plato. this is not the religion of the ayatollah khomeini. and if muslims want to reduce their religion to this, that's their business. but they cannot tell you in the united states, you know, what you should say about islam. because i can tell you many bad things about muslims say about other religions. but who cares in the end? one final thing. business, business -- [laughter] islamist business. [inaudible] that's why they are not revolutionary, they are conservative. they are extremely conservative. and that's the reason they scare me. but there is also another thing, and i have to agree with

when i'm done with o'reilly, he'll convert to judaism. this guy's going down. this guy's going down. >> and this all started, this was his idea. >> this was his idea. i got a call from him one day. just a phone -- my phone wasn't even plugged in. it just rings. that guy's magic. and it just -- stewy, o'reilly, debate. >> not a lot of choice in the matter. >> listen, i'm a small, quick man. >> he's on your show tonight. >> he's on tonight. >> to promote it. and 14 times you have been on each other's shows since 2001. >> is that true? >> yes. >> so you have the internet. >> yes. i have the internet. >> and google. >> i googled last night. we did some research. we have a little sampling of your magic together. let's take a little look. >> let's do this. >> your respect grows for me in leaps and bounds. you're like the grinch right after they realized they don't need presents for christmas. your heart grows. you love me because you know we come from -- we're the same people. you want this date to go on forever. >> so, despite the differences -- >> i didn't realize

silverman in an open letter to the jewishpress.com because she is crude, according to this rabbi, and uses judaism inappropriately but really crossed the line for most people was the rabbi making a comment like this one. i pray that you channel your drive and direct your passion to something positive, something that will make you better and a more positive person. i pray that you pursue marriage and, if you are so blessed, ray raise children. sarah's dad, donald silverman apparently didn't take kindly to those comments. he is blunt, much like sarah, and told the rabbi to shove it. he mentioned that sarah's sister is a rabbi. i'm a big fan of sarah silverman. i have nothing to complain about. >> i think she is funny, too. she is crude but i laugh all the time. >> it's what she does. >> i know. a.j. hammer, thanks so much. a.j. is back next hour to talk about disney's newest princess, who happens to be hispanic. grap with the e-trade 360 investing dashboard. e-trade 360 is the world's first investing homepage that shows you where all your investments are and what they're doing with free streaming qu

i was just, again, just a guide representing judaism. that is all. [laughter] i was almost like a syringe you at that moment. it was an interesting role. -- i was almost like eight syrian -- a syrian jew at that moment. it was an interesting role. >> what is inspirational is the younger generation has acknowledged the fault of the younger generation. if you have a lot of that happening naturally. for example, a group of young activists would probably dbe defined as a secular. there are much more approachable than their mothers' generation which actually have in their bylaws that you cannot be a member of a feminist organization. it was talking about how she was reaching out to the more conservative. she was sitting in her final examination in college when two of her friends -- not necessarily good friends -- the teacher said, come up to them, and you must take off your scarf for leave. basically, their entire school was in jeopardy so they decided to leave because they felt they were under this moral road and they couldn't do that. raised in a secula

the mideast to systematically eliminate the regimes in all the countries and also christian anti-and judaism, and lib, you know, obama administration working with al qaeda giving them support, intelligence and weapons, you know, to take out what was left of a dave if i's government and it looks like it is going on in sir why, now. wouldn't that be iron fick we found out that our ambassador over there was actually killed by weapons supplied by us to al qaeda? it kind of reminds me of what was going on in the '9os when we sent our marines in there to distribute food and they were attacked by the identifying elements that were in that country and al qaeda was involved in that. >> host: we are short on time. glaes ahead. stephen? degrees there is no rid of the sinaean where that the u.s. would supply arms to al qaeda. certainly, that would not be in anyway in the u.s.'s interest. in fact, what i alluded to earlier, the criticism from the syrians who are fight is that the u.s. and others are putting pressure on the saudis and others allegedly who provide them with weapons to not to provide them w

interested that had a large jewish population and there was a null being of the local governments of judaism in a lot of ways that the supreme court ultimately ruled unconstitutional. that is sent to you just wouldn't have seen 50 years earlier and that is true. it is perhaps the most vilified faith in certain circles. the mere recognition will help us return to our principles of religious liberty. if there is a charter school that was promoting islam. charter schools are for purposes of the law. there was a lawsuit brought they are in challenging that. so too does the establishment clause and separation of church and state. so when we see these pockets of minority faiths gaining more political control, i think that's great, but it will also remind us that government should never be favoring any religion and we can't just fall back on whenever the majority faces. that's fine. >> just one example that might be helpful of how this works well in my opinion. 50 years ago the school prayer decisions decided to 50th anniversary or that decision. they are religious liberty airplane out and for all

of the local government with judea's them in a lot of ways that the supreme court ultimately a a -- judaism that the supreme court ultimately ruled unconstitutional. that would not have happened 50 years ago. islam is the most vilified faith in this country in certain circles, but there are places where there is a large muslim population. just a recognition of that fact return tos us all deterri our principals of religious liberty. for example, if there was a charter school promoting islam, charter schools, for purposes of the law, our public schools. there was a lawsuit brought by the aclu challenging that. free exercise protections apply to us all. so too does the establishment clause and the separation of church and state. when we see these pockets of minority faiths gaining more political control, in that is great, but it should remind us that the government should never be favoring any religion and we should not fall back on what the majority faith is at that time. >> one example that might be helpful of how this works well, in my opinion, 50 years ago, the school prayer decision was d

i was just the guy representing judaism, that's all. [laughter] i happen to be from the outside but i was almost like a syrian jew at that moment. so it was an interesting role but i was not there to moderate this societies issues between believers and nonbelievers. that would've been totally inappropriate. just to clarify. >> if i could just add, what's really inspirational is the younger generations have acknowledged the fall the polarization within their parents generation. so you have a lot of that happening naturally. for example, you know, a group of young activists who would probably be defined as secular, but much more approachable than their mothers generation, which actually have in their bylaws, you cannot be a member for example, of a feminist organization. was talk about how she very interested in reaching out to the more conservative. i asked her why and she said she was sitting in her final examination in college when two of her friends, not necessary good friend but two friends were wearing the scarf, the teacher came up