attempt to save three billion dollars congress is forcing the pentagon to repair the tanks anyways we'll tell you about the latest case of wasteful government spending. plus it's the least important debate of election season and yet tonight's vice presidential debate is sure getting a lot of attention but while the media gets caught up in the middle of the v.p. who global fact check these political foes. and if the u.s. were a motel the vacancy sign would be burning bright millions upon millions of empty houses and no immediate plans for what to do with up to bulldoze them or fix them up that's a bait i had. with thursday october eleventh four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r t well government officials debate the best way to cut the budget the country's massive defense spending has come under scrutiny but it turns out even when the pentagon wants to cut back they don't have congress's support take this example the pentagon wants to save three billion dollars by foregoing the reform of the tanks you see there with the war is winding down the army is finding i

attempt to save three billion dollars congress is forcing the pentagon to repair the tangs anyways well tell you about the latest case of wasteful government spending. and he's the private first class accused of leaking u.s. secrets to the world it's a case both r.t.m. the intelligence community are watching closely and one that's hard to keep track of coming up las why the records from the case of p.f.c. bradley manning are more closely guarded than those of accused terrorists. and if the u.s. were a motel the vacancy sign would be burning bright millions upon millions of empty houses and no media and a media plans for what's in do with them should we bulldoze them or fix them up but if they had. and stars they're out to over eleven day pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our t.v. . us government officials to pay debate the best way to cut the budget the country's massive defense spending has come under scrutiny but even but it turns out that even when the pentagon wants to cut back they don't have the support of congress take this example the pentagon wants to

white house is in full swing in america at this time in our special election coverage we look at the pentagon's fears of a cyber pearl harbor. so just moments after seven pm here in the russian capital this is artsy life with me rule research showing libya's government forces claim they've taken control of the opposition stronghold of bani walid but they do admit that pockets of resistance do still remain it's after a week's long deadly assault with reports of dozens of residents of the besieged city being killed by pro-government shelling other details now to auntie's paula slayer. we continue to receive these conflicting reports from our sources on the ground we're hearing that the army is actually withdrawing from the city or there we are hearing of wide scale killings from the government sources they say that the system has fallen and we continue to receive verified video footage as well as reports of wide scale killings of indiscriminate shelling and also the use of poisonous gas some of the photos and video we've been receiving show dismembered bodies children who've been killed and some

trains are being evacuated at the pentagon metro station. leaves on the track caught fire in the tunnel somehow and that created a lot of smoke. firefighters are there. right now trains are single tracking between pentagon station and lean faint plaza. expect delays both direction -- l'enfant plaza. expect delays both directions on the blue and yellow lines. good evening. we are just hours away from the first and only vice presidential debate joe biden under pressure to do well after president obama's lackluster performance last week. we've got anita brikman live with the story from mclean but begin with a preview. >> reporter: both vice president joe

that's why congress gave pentagon marching orders two years ago, now three years ago and the pentagon is just refusing to follow them. >> who at the pentagon gave this order to defy congress and defy our fighting men their sacred right to vote? who's responsible for this? what federal judge can you get to slap an injunction to solve this quick before it's too late? what's being done about this? >> well you know, frankly i think the buck stops with president obama. he's the commander in chief. why isn't he all over this? i was former military. i served as an army major in the jag copps. i know how difficult it is to vote when you're deployed. it's up to the commander in chief to make sure to put the right kind of pressure on the pentagon and ensure the pentagon is following federal law in helping to get those ballots to service members who are deployed. so i think we need it look to obama. >> kyndra, there's absentee voting going on right now. the election as you know has already begun. are you getting reports from people in the field from men and women in the military that they can't

is the pentagon doing enough to help the military vote sevenltd over the comments. you can tweet them to us at fox friends first or shoot us an e-mail at foxfriendsfirst@foxnews.com. it is 18 minutes after the hour. a whole lot of us are making less money but we are spending more money. in these tough economic times. vera gibbons is here to help you save when you are making less money. >> country over football. that's the motto of one nfl owner who says it is more important for romney to win than his team. >> opening arguments begin today after americans were accused of helping terrorists. he krrecruited men. he has a history of seizures and he told the court he is seeing ghosts. >>> prosecutors say multi billion dollar fraud carried out by bernie madoff carried out as early as the 1970s. that according to an indictment with charges over several long time employees. madoff is serving a 150 year prison sentence. heather? >> ainsley thank you so much. >> a lot of americans are dipping into their savings. listen to this. household incomes went down since july and augus

department in the homeland security department can partially pass an article the pentagon is the only agency they can't pass one at all and historically we've seen that after after a war and this spending goes down and and it seems like now everybody's afraid to say anything about reducing defense spending well the real problem is we're spending it way higher than cold war levels and in the cold war we had a legitimate threat with the soviet union with many nuclear weapons and heavy ground forces in europe and that sort of thing now we're fighting a bunch of terrorists and it's very cheap to fight terrorists and you have to put out an effort to do it but you need special forces drones with very cheap compared to everything else so we don't need to spend as much as we did during the cold war it were vastly outspending that when did when did it become. let me let me back this up a little bit my dad my dad was the latter part of world war two i mean he he he joined the army just as the war ended and he always referred to democrats as the warriors as the as the hawks he was a republican h

britain gary mckinnon who's accused of hacking into the pentagon will remain in the u.k. as the home secretary blocks his extradition to the u.s. . the fate of prominent human rights activist not be able to jump is still up in the air as a foreign court adjourned the trial for organizing a legal protest to presume next month. and the e.u. takes nineteen iranian state run t.v. and radio stations off air on top of the sanctions against tehran over its nuclear program. international news and comment live from central moscow this is r.t. with twenty four hours a day gary mckinnon who's accused of hacking into the pentagon will not be extradited to the u.s. the british home secretary decided that sending the kitten who suffers from asperger syndrome to america carried the risk that he would try to take his own life. is in london. waterboarding of the mind that's what gary mckinnon's mother has called the eleven year wait to know what's going to happen to your son the experience of waiting all that time for him when he was arrested back in two thousand and two for hacking into

the problem is the pentagon -- bob gates was the previous pentagon chief said you need 2% growth to fix the ships. >> the increased in the cost of living. >> and they have over the last decade we have been involved in wars in afghanistan and iraq. a lot of tanks and ships haven't been maintained in that time. we're also the only superpower in the world so it's true the u.s. does spend more than the next ten countries combined but we also are asked to do a lot more than anyone else. >> dan? >> well, i think for years the democratic party looked as the defense budget the big rock candy mountain. a lot of money to transfer to domestic spending. the president keeps saying the money spent on iraq and afghanistan is going to be reprogrammed into domestic investment. and that i think is what they would like to do down the road but the rest -- much of the rest of the defendant budget. >> although the republicans may be talking this. s into a catastrophe increase because if they say it's going to do damage to at the troops, what choice do you have? so there's going to be some tough decisions. up

he actually became quite -- because he was a chief the chief spokesman for the pentagon. you get him on record and perhaps you was too tired, don't nobody told a reporter yes of course the government uses information as a weapon in times of crisis which everyone knew but no one actually wanted to say it. and so the pentagon spokesman had gone on record and the sparked massive outcry from the press about news management and the kennedys administration is manipulating the news. >> host: this is an enduring subject of interest in press briefs in foreign affairs. we need to take a quick break now and we will come back in just a couple of moments. plesco we were talking about kennedy and his relations with the press. one of the fascinating things about your book is, it can surprise those looking back at this period. they'd think of lyndon johnson's paranoia and angry views of the press during the escalation of vietnam and the press turned against him and his angry relations with the press secretary had to do with it and richard nixon and how that led him down the slippery slop

jennifer griffin following the situation from the pentagon. turkey, a member of the nato alines, now the nato leaders have come together. what came of that meeting? this was in a very unusual late night meeting called an emergency session in brussels among nato ambassadors. we understand that turkey has now asked the u.n. security council to take, quote, necessary actions against syria to stop these kind of attacks. it's interesting that that alliance meeting was called under article 4 of the nato charter as you know an attack by one is an attack by all under article 5 of that charter. it's significant that turkey has not yet invoked article 5. but, again, syria crossed the line with this mortar attack into turkish civilian areas. just as they did when they shot down a turkish fighter jet in international waters earlier this year. >> we are outraged that the syrians have been shooting across the border. we are very we getful about the loss of life that has occurred on the turkish side. we are working with our turkish friends. i will be speakin

>> bret: at the pentagon. thank you. we're 20 days out from the deadly terrorist attack at the u.s. mission in benghazi, libya, that killed the ambassador an three others there and there are still no f.b.i. agents on the ground there. meantime, congressional source tells fox news, uav assets in the region have been repositioned since the attack to establish better situational awareness. we're learning that the compound was attacked on three sides. with heavy weapons as we were reporting in the first days. the presidential candidates are getting ready for the debate wednesday. we'll talk about that. with the fox all-stars and what needs to happen when we come back. >>> romney, she a good debater. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing, and restore security for hard-working americans. >> president obama is a very, he is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage for many years. he is an experienced debater to. he has done these debates before. this is mitt's first time on t

the pentagon hasn't revealed where it occurred. no one was injured but investigators are trying to determine how much damage was done and how that happened in the first place. >>> we have talked about peanut allergies, now a new concern, a new mexico company is at the center of a major salmonella outbreak and. sun land incorporated a recalling raw and roasted peanuts in addition to peanut peanut butter linked to the outbreak. 35 people are sick in 19 states and they recalled everything made in the plant since march 2010. >> coming up, both the obama and romney campaigns are on "fox news sunday." chris wallace will join us with a preview of how both sides are gearing up for the all-important and much anticipated presidential debate on tuesday. >> the space shuttle isn't the only video. new video of a fireworks display gone wrong, shooting right into the crowd. the latest on what happened and how everybody got out. s are. >> and can eating tomatoes help save lives? we'll have valuable information about tomatoes, how they can help us,

this is the base budget for the pentagon. the website posted this today. the first spike, that's military spending going up, going way up for the korean war and then you see it comes back down again. the second spike, that's military spending going way up for the vietnam war and then it comes back down again. the third spike, that's the cold war, giant arm's race buildup and the soviet union starts to collapse into 1991 and our post-cold war spending comes back down. then the terrorist attack in september 2001 and the spending goes back up. the reason this does not show it going through the roof is because for the whole bush administration they did not count the spending on the wars in iraq and afghanistan as if it were defense spending. they did it as an emergency so this is just the base defense budget. this just shows how the base defense budget went up after 9/11, not including that emergency spending on iraq and afghanistan. now here's the amazing thing. watch this. so this is where our spending is now. that's what the blue line means. if we were to l

the presidential front runners play the foreign policy card in their latest attempt to woo voters the pentagon has issued a stark cyber threat warning of the threat of a potential pearl harbor orchestrated by hackers from abroad more on this now towards who's more important. america's military invasions interventions and targeted attacks have traditionally been deployed on the battlefield yet today a significant shift in technology has created a brand new terrain for warfare the internet which most people use for communication research and entertainment is being dubbed the battlefield of the future in an era of hackers and viruses computers are something of a weapon in the emerging world of cyber war a virtual world where military strikes are invisible and everyone online remains vulnerable earlier this month u.s. defense secretary leon panetta warned that america faces the possibility of a cyber pearl harbor if online security is ensuring things the even greater danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harassment. a cyber attack. perpetrated by nation states or viol

presidential race to focus on foreign policy and what the pentagon calls the looming threat of a cyber pearl harbor. international news and comment live from moscow this is all sea with me hello and welcome to the program. was started in libya where government forces claim to have taken bani walid the last bastion of colonel gadhafi supporters in libya it took three weeks of one of the clashes however pockets of resistance that's still reported on the outskirts of the city. and you may find some of the following pictures disturbing. we continue to receive contradictory reports as to what is happening inside bani walid on the one hand we're hearing from pro-government sources that they said he has fallen and that it is in the hands of the army but we're hearing exactly the opposite from our own sources and those are people who have family inside the city and we're hearing firsthand information now it's taken us almost three days to make contact with a local resident of the city that also gives you a sense of whether or not the statement that the situation is under control is in fact acc

fox's jennifer griffin has the latest from the pentagon. >> reporter: defense secretary leon panetta warning of the growing threat of cyber attacks against the u.s. >> cyber attack perpetrated by nation states or violent extremist groups could be as destructive as the terrorist attack on 9/11. attack o >> reporter: this comes after a former government official said u.s. authorities believe iranian hackers are responsible for recent cyber attacks against major oil and gas companies in saudi arabia and qatar. >> the shamoon virus was probably the most destructive attack that the private sector has seen to date. these attacks mark a significant escalation of the cyber threat. >> reporter: secretary panetta saying if the u.s. detects an imminent cyber attack that can cause significant destruction, the military could take action. >> the department has developed the capability to conduct effective operations to counter there.s to our national interests in cyberspace. -- threats to our national interests in cyberspace. we will only do so to defend our nation, to defend our interests, to def

everybody knows that including the people at the pentagon. now, my defense secretary is going to have a lot to do with those decisions, but it's going to be the president who's going to have to ultimately decide before that budget goes to the congress what weapons systems are going to go and what are going to stay. we are not going to spend the billions and trillions that mr. bush wants to spend on star wars. we're not going to spend billions on mx's on railroad cars, which is a weapons system we don't need, can't afford and won't help our defense posture at all. we're not going to spend hundreds of millions on a space plane from washington to tokyo. those are decisions that the chief executive has to make. yes, we're going to have a strong and credible and effective nuclear deterrent. we're going to go forward with the stealth and the d-5 and the advance cruise missile and good conventional forces. but the next president of the united states will have to make some tough and difficult decisions. i'm prepared to make them, the vice president i

in our special coverage of the us presidential race before it's on foreign policy and what the pentagon calls the move into the middle of a song about. separatist movements across austerity torn europe take inspiration from scotland success in securing permission. this is coming to live from moscow hello and welcome to the program. in wisconsin libya where government forces claim to have taken bani walid as the last bastion of his supporters in libya but locals caught up in the weeks of violence pleasing to the international community for help also his policy as well and were warning you might find some of the pictures disturbing. we continue to receive contradictory reports as to what is happening inside bani walid on the one hand we're hearing from pro-government sources that the city has fallen and that it is in the hands of the army but we're hearing exactly the opposite from our own sources and those are people who have family inside the city and we're hearing firsthand information now it's taken us almost three days to make contact with a local resident of the city that also gives

special forth are ready in italy but pentagon officials later express concern by putting them in harms away. stationed thousand miles away are attack helicopters. strafing the street was not an option for fear of civilian casualties. back at the mission, they enter the building and find the body of stevens slumped on the floor. >> they don't know who he is. they drag him out threw a window. his eyes are did a dazed. someone says she is breathing. crowd is relieved. cheering, allah akbar. god a great. around 1:00 a.m. ambassador stevens is brought by car here to the benghazi medical center where doctors tried to resuscitate him for 45 minutes. he dies of severe asphyxiation. the fight has been going on for over four hours and drone overhead is running out of fuel. a second is sent. officials delay them for 45 minutes. negotiating over who will escort them. they arrive at c.i.a. annex around 3:00 a&m. around 4:00 a.m. this annex compound is hit by another wave of attacks. it's described as planned and precise. a round of mortar fire targeting a roof well behind the gate. that turns out t

mission there jennifer griffin is with us from the pentagon tonight. jennifer, just last week we were reporting that they were not going to do these things anymore and now all of a sudden more americans are dead of the exact same thing. >> well, general allen essentially reversed his decision after 10 days. essentially because calling off these joint patrols called in to question the entire exit strategy. there is no real way to protect troops from this insider threat. this helmet cam video shows a u.s. soldier recently under fire. he was actually shot but not killed in kunar province. it was a more straightforward fire fight than the kind of attack causing most of the deaths now. in fact, the suicide bomber today that killed 14 was reportedly dressed in an afghan police uniform here is general alan. >> recognizes this is a vulnerability. in iraq the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the ied. we had to adjust to that. here, i think the signature attack that we are beginning to see is going to be the insider attack. >> but unlike th

demanded gary's extradition the hacking into the pentagon's computers from his north london bedroom he's mildly autistic and doctors say a very real suicide risk gary would not survive five minutes and that c agreed by so many top a psychiatrist and doctors do we really extra days suddenly with a mental condition who is suicidal and his emotional age or a child does. a civilized country do this surely not but there may be a light at the end of the tunnel the home secretary has until october the sixteenth to decide whether she'll block the extradition gary's mother has high hopes as does his lawyer who would give up if the worst happens we've been to the supreme court twice we've been to the house of lords we've been to the high court so you know there's we've exhausted every possible because we challenge we can because as they became all absolutely sure and convinced that if order to he would commit suicide so we're talking about man's life we're told no has built a successful practice on fighting water is seen as one sided extradition rules in the treaty with the us the americans must o

ripping gary mckinnon music user hacking into the pentagon will remain in the u.k. as the home secretary blocks his extradition to the u.s. . washington reportedly speeds up work to create an elite libyan command beginning to produce another can stream its killing of a u.s. ambassador in benghazi last month. nine hundred state run of radio t.v. and radio stations were taken off air in europe that's on top of fresh sanctions against iran over its suspected nuclear weapons program. international news and comment live from central moscow this is the with you twenty four hours a day if you just joined it's a very warm welcome britain gary mckinnon who's accused of hacking into the pentagon will not be extradited to the u.s. british home secretary decided that sending the kitten who suffers from asperger syndrome to america carried the risk that he would try to take his own life or his party is in london. waterboarding of the mind that's what gary mckinnon's mother has called the eleven year wait to know what's going to happen to the experience of waiting all that time f

britain gary mckinnon who's accused of hacking into the pentagon will remain in the u.k. as the home secretary blocks his extradition to the u.s. . washington reportedly speeds up work to create an elite libyan commando unit to fight islamic extremists after the killing of the u.s. ambassador in benghazi last month. nineteen state run iranian t.v. and radio stations are taken off in europe on top of fresh sanctions against iran over its suspected nuclear weapons program. international news in coming live from central moscow this is. britain gary mckinnon who's accused of hacking into the pentagon will not just syndrome to america carried the risk that he would try to take his own life. in london. waterboarding of the mind that's what gary mckinnon's mother has called the eleven year wait to know what's going to happen to the experience of waiting all that time from when he was arrested back in two thousand and two for hacking into u.s. military computers all the time the u.s. has wanted him to go on trial where he could face a potential tension sixty year sentence now it'

we had wars within the pentagon. you would think if you were sending more troops to afghanistan, those troops would go the places that are most critical. the places the taliban were seeking to take over. the places most at risk to insurgent gains and potentially a takeover of that country. instead, we wound up sending the first wave of new forces to a part of the country will relatively few people, and i discovered the answer was simply, tribal rivalries. not in afghanistan but in the pentagon. the first wave of troops were u.s. marines and they wanted to bring their own helicopters, their own logistics units and didn't want to work with u.s. army soldiers in the areas in and around the city of kandahar, and here was this tale of our own services fighting with each other instead of fighting in common purpose against the enemy. and the stories go on. there was internal fighting within the state department, within the u.s. agency for international development. in one other tale i recount in the book, we had some real s

cyber crimes gripping minds in the pentagon ahead of next month's presidential election as obama and romney clash over foreign policy the defense department's worried in a time when the scale of nine eleven could be repeated line that's coming up after the show. nineteen iranian channels have been banned in the countries that's called iran for not tolerating free speech among other things well played lads well played i love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning personally but of censorship doesn't bother me that much because there has always been censorship and there were always be censorship if there are any words or symbols or opinions that could get you bumped off the air or legal trouble in your country guess what you have censorship sorry to say it but that's how it is i don't mind a country saying that there is something so antithetical to their way of life that it must be banned i'm fine with that that's your business in your country and you should be able to protect your culture and your values but the lie to me and tell me that you have censorship free when you don't it's yo

your opinion and with your experience having worked at the pentagon. well unfortunately where we're put the united states is put on the side of of al qaeda in this case because of the opposition there they probably look upon them as freedom fighters at this point which is unfortunate but they're going to going to criticize people that they're back even though they should. the ultimate goal of the united states is for regime change alternately to strike back at and to limit the influence of iran. as a consequence but the. fact that the united states is teamed up with opposition elements that. sells and it is very disturbing for for a lot of people and consequently there's silence in criticizing the terrorist attack is deafening at this point my colleague thanks for your thoughts from a pentagon official as you know a lot of washington. thank you but we got some more thoughts too on it and he will campaign against spoke to us he told us that if turkey decides to increase its military actions it could endangered peace back home. prime minister erda one ma

pentagon official michael maloof is skeptical that this that latest cease fire will be effective. the government is prepared to have a cease fire but it takes two to tango as as it were and i don't know that the opposition is prepared to. stand down and i think they they feel that the government will then take advantage of the cease fire to realign troops and put in artillery so i think that they're going to be reluctant to do that there are terror attacks going on in syria a lot of the opposition is coming from outside forces more radical elements of joint so syria is being subject to terrorist attacks and it's going to go on and unfortunately the united states is back in this as well as turkey and i think that the united states really doesn't have a clear policy on toward toward. the side except to get him out but then the question is what and then what are you going to have after that and if a lot of falls that could begin to raise additional problems and could cause a major spread and isolate the regime on the one hand i've talked to people in lebanon for example who said that

i was just twenty minutes past the hour moscow time british man who hacked into the pentagon ten years ago is set to find out his fate on tuesday washington has been seeking his extradition and if found guilty gary mckinnon who suffers from mild autism could spend sixty years behind bars artie's laura smith reports his family face he could take his life if indeed shipped off to the u.s. . gary mckinnon smothered janice who's been up all night working to get everything in order to convince the home secretary not to deport her mentally ill son for trial in america it's ten years since the u.s. demanded gary's extradition for hacking into the pentagon's computers from his north london bedroom he's mildly autistic and doctors say a very real suicide risk gary would not survive five minutes and that c agreed by so many top a psychiatrist and doctors do we really extra days only with a mental condition who is suicidal and his emotional age or a child does. civilized country do this surely not but there may be a light at the end of the tunnel the home secretary has until october the sixteenth

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the pentagon budget went up. the increase was about $2 trillion during those years. $1 trillion went to the war. the other trillion dollars, nobody knows quite where winter. the air force has been scaled back. the navy has been scaled back. the army is increased marginally, but the budget was vastly increased. where did the money go? this is a crisis that we are enduring. it is going to have to require both liberals and conservatives to rethink some of their sacred cows and say that we can't afford to say that this is off the table. nothing is off the table. particularly, the waste of time -- also, it's not just that they have thrown a lot of money out the window. it is the way they do it. there are two techniques that they use to get the taxpayers going. so we have political engineering. whereby once a program gets going, a missile program, a weapons program, it doesn't matter if the enemy it was made for no longer exists. it doesn't matter that the thing can really work as promised. so the prophets and the jobs

word just came to kennedy in the oval office that an american sur valance plane, the pentagon told him a surveillance plane may have been shot down. kennedy has the recorder rolling, gets on phone, and talking to bobby kennedy, and kennedy, at this point, thinks, okay, we think a plane is shot down. now, what do we do? he's going through, you know, do air strikes? thinking about all these things about the political pressure to be faced with when this comes out, and so it's one of those remarkable moments you get to hear a president in realtime struggling through, okay, now what do we do? do we, you know, retaliate? send our planes over, nox out the airfields? something like that? it would have reinflamed the crisis. it was a false alarm. they scrambled, but they had not shot down the plane. you get windows and remarkable sense of what kennedy is facing, and this is a week after the 13 days. you get a sense of how close military action was during this period. >> one thing that's clear through the years, kennedy was acutely airful of escalation and how future generations look if they los

after another but there's no strategy bureaucracy will continue to grind on diplomats people in the pentagon in their experience in the last twenty years a whole generation of officers have known almost nothing but a war in the middle east as far as they're concerned war is a permanent feature of the middle east at least until all the oil is gone so if anybody outside of washington wants some help from washington and defusing the crisis i'm afraid they'll be disappointed you know just pointing out again here that you know russia's repeatedly stressing that. damascus are in line with international law as you have been saying you've talked about what american reaction is i wonder whether what's happening in america is. affecting what turkey is doing right now and the timing of all what's happened over the last twenty four hours do you think is there any connection there maybe. well i had to be honest i really think you're going to search in vain for some kind of a rational coherent thought through and consistent policy. reaction from washington as i say the political people in the oval office