you look at bill gates and bill clinton. could there be an argument that a lot of these are lifetime achievement awards for what happened last century? >> i agree. and they're both doing tremendously noble things, both bill gates and bill clinton, around the world. but -- >> you're just saying they don't have the power they once had. >> no, they don't. >> kind of like papelbon's right arm. it's not what it once was. >> he's lost a little velocity. >> we're going to return with more of the most influential americans of the 21st century. and we'll answer the question who would americans most like to have dinner with? but first we'll tell you how the poll was conducted. take it away, willie. >> how the poll was done. here goes. msnbc commissioned the folks at princeton research to conduct a series of polls to determine the most influential americans of the 21st century based on the -- calls went out to randomly selected americans. the public narrowed the list to 39 influential people. posters made another round of calls tabulat

the most charismatic bill clinton. for stellar performance of the democratic national convention. his 40 minute speech was critical for a second term for barack obama. it redefined the global economic crisis. he described it as a product of republican thinking. no question bubba still has it. wouldn't you say so? >> absolutely. >> he did a good job. >> we will be back after this >>> okay. bummest rap, pat? >> hurricane sandy was caused by global warming. what a croc. >> eleanor? >> i can't let that go by. i'll meet you in the parking lot afterwards. okay. bummest rap scapegoating susan rice on benghazi. >> you don't think she brought it on herself? >> no. >> mark? >> the bummest rap to my mind was the assumption or the allegations that the supreme court on obamacare was acting out of politics and not out of their understanding of the law. >> clarence? >> yeah. i have susan rice on the top of my list. but i'll add and say nate silver's liberal bias proved to be a mythcal because he was dead on correct in his prediction on his election. >> the bummest rap. the rap recited by bill cl

thee two most popular figures in the united stes today are bill clinton and hillary clinton. he made a better case for barack obama and joe bidennd barackk obama and joe biden had ever made. the other thing about bill clinton's speech is he had the ultimate line in it -- "this econom was so bad even i could not have fixed it." >> i think you pointed out in the opening of the show what was the worst political moment, which was cnt eastwood wasting 12 minutes of prime time when just before, you have had these truly heart renng stories -- heartwarming stories about e humanity of the republican challger, and also a bio which was not shown. that was a terrible tactical error. >> the reason why clinton's spch worked was pple knew it was bill clinton giving that speech. so many political speeches are written by someone else, and they read that way, and the pubblic is sick of it. >> finally, predictions s for the year ahead in the supreme court. >> the supreme court -- it will bbe a gonzo year involving the supreme court possibly strikingg down the voting rights act, the subject of g

clinton's deficit reduction bill. and because it cut spending but raised taxes, every republican in the house and the senate voted against it. they voted the way newt gingrich wanted them to vote. the same republicans who a few years earlier were negotiating with democrat overtax increases under president reagan would not even discuss any form of a compromise on the clinton tax bill for fear of being caught by newt gingrich considering a tax increase. for fear of being labeled the tax collector of the welfare state. on friday, john boehner said this about the tax increase on the top income tax brackets that president obama want. quote, i oppose tax rate increases because tax rate increases cost american jobs. every republican you have ever heard opposing tax increases in the last 20 years has used words de dictated to them by newt gingrich. not one republican is left who use the reagan concept as keep taxes as low as possible but raise them as little as possible when necessary. there is not one republican left in cong

and what type of counselor bud zumwalt was to bill clinton. many people find this quite surprising, that bud zumwalt would be so close to bill clinton. and i had dinner with madeleine albright, she was peeking at uc davis -- speaking at uc davis, and i did a booktv session with her, but it was davis tv where we just spoke to each other in front of an audience at the monodaf i have center. she told me she never knew that bud was playing this role which was, again, quite interesting. and this is highlighted in the book. and it's no wonder that bill clinton eulogized, eulogized bud in 2000. both bud -- both bill and hillary clinton were very close to the zumwalt family. this bond was forged during renaissance weekends where they would spend time together, but where bud to this day is considered one of the great grandfathers with great respect. people always wallet to talk about bud zumwalt -- want to talk about bud zumwalt, and i think that's so revealing as well. i think the chapter on zumwalt's intelligence service in the book brings up a whole

bill clinton. we heard bill clinton fretting about this at the end of his presidency. it is safe to say that dwight d. eisenhower constantly fretted about the possibility of war. >> oh, he had a heart attack, a stroke, i mean, he was a mess. he was addicted to sleeping pills. he couldn't sleep. he was a mess. but he didn't show it. he showed a smiling, confident guy, enormously popular, 65% average popularity. presidents would kill for that. because the public sensed in him a goodness and command. he once said, you know, look, the '50s were boring so he doesn't get credit for much happening. but as eisenhower said, by god, it didn't just happen. >> john meacham, doris kerns good win, evan thomas, thank you so much. coming up, only 43 men have had the honor of calling themselves president of the united states. authors michael duffy and nancy gibbs draw back the curtain on the world's most exclusive fraternity. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel...

clinton, and they told me that bill clinton and barack obama ave had a major falling out. lou: wow, afterll the campaigning? the elegant speech, really? >> because of this estrangement, i'm told, is back to the presidential election when clinton struck a deal with obama. in the deal, clinton said he'd give the nominating speech and go out and campaign for obama, but in return, he wanted a couple things from the president. first, clinton wanted to be a allowed to name the next chairman of the democratic national committee to have effective control of the party apparatus and all the money that goes with that. lou: that's a big gift. >> well, he did a big deal for obama. lou: right. >> secondly, he wanted obama to agree that he would back hillary if she runs for president in 2016, and that was a verbal commitment he believed he had from barack obama. shortly after the election, according, again, to my sources, clinton sent obama a list of five names from which he could choose the next chairman of the democratic national convention. lou: a list from clinton to the president? >

for example bill clinton was not the first and bill clinton was not the worst when it comes to misbehavior in high office. there's a long history of it and arnold schwarzenegger and john edwards, david petraeus had nothing on alexander hamilton. if you read for example letters written by martha washington going to the winter camp, she didn't complain about the weather. she didn't complain about the harsh conditions but she did complain about one thing. there was a was a tomcat one winter that was misbehaving and it was noisy and kept her awake at night so she nicknamed the tomcat alexander hamilton. because of all the young girls will come into the camp. i also did a book a few years ago called life in the white house about the presidents and these. what hobbies do they have? what were their fears and hopes and what did they -- or were they like his fathers and husbands as another way of stressing presidential characters providing us with another lens. we are all still trying to figure out -- and for example nixon in his free time like to bowl alone and sometimes wore a black suit to do it

bill clinton proves it. mad a better case for barack obama and joe biden and barack obama and joe biden had ever made. the other thing about bill clinton's speech is he had the ultimate line in it -- "this economy was so bad even i could not have fixed it." >> you pointed out in the opening of the show what was the worst political moment, which was the clint eastwood wasting 12 minutes of prime time when just before, you have had these truly heart rending stories -- artwarmi stoes aut te humaty of the republican challenger, and also a bio which was not shown. that was terrible. >> the reason why clinton's speech worked was because people know it was bill clinton giving that speech. so many speeches are written by someone else, and they read that way, and the public is sick of it. >> finally, predictions for the year ahead in the supreme court. >> the supreme court -- it will be a gonzoear involving the supreme court possibly striking down the voting rights act, the obstruction of gay marriage, and even weath

a photo op with bill clinton in 2000. to his detriment a thing. probably could've want to get clinton on his side but there was still a stigma to being associated with clinton. now, in this 2012 cycle, he is the rockstar. he is drawing bigger crowds than anybody and getting praise from all americans. how do you think bill clinton has rehabilitated himself so fully? >> well, i think two things about that. first of all, i personally agree with you about the 2000 election. one of the things i talk about is the 2000 convention, democratic convention, i do if you remember that bill clinton came that bill clinton came down that long white corridor with a black suit, looked like high noon, gary cooper in high noon, remember? at the time of a city with george stephanopoulos watching this. i said george, i think -- out gorgeous game on. georgette the time said no, there's too much discord about president clinton still at this point. but i tended to agree with you. i think two things. number one, i think, this was a shortcoming and

peter than this guy, bill clinton? this guy can sell. what did you think of the impact of his convention address. >> part of that was set up by the fact -- i thought it was an unfortunate statement by republicans, were you better off than you were four years ago? you couldn't have picked a more unfortunate contrast. ultimately by setting it up as a contrast to four years ago created an opportunity for clinton to deliver that speech. again, i want to go back for the opportunity here that romney had. in the exit poll 63% of americans said they don't want to cut taxes in order to increase the deficit. governor romney made it a referendum and didn't take advantage of the country still being a center right company. >> 47% of plurality said raise taxes for people over $250,000. >> you frame it as bush and you make it all that dynamic, which obama had set up, or do you make it about the broader economic policy of what do you do with taxes -- >> in all fairness, didn't the president do a pretty good job of focusing on that differential between t

under bill clinton, they cut defense spending from reagan 6% of gdp to 3%. cut it in half as a percentage of the economy. that's why he got a balanced budget. he hatched defense. >> we've got to take a break. guys, stay there. by the way, don't forget, bill clinton had newt gingrich and they were a big part of it. actually, clinton sat down with gingrich. i don't see # i don't see that happening here. governor palin said to the republican leadership don't be a bunch of wusses. while president obama spent a lot of time golfing once again this weekend and going back to his mansion of 54 christmas trees, many residentses in the northeast are still left with no place to call home in the wake of the superstorm sandy. mr. president, where is all that help you promised? you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids

bill clinton, you don't have to agree with bill clinton but if anybody knows the game of politics, the only way to get something done is shut the door, while the media shrieking that things are done in secret. let me tell you, the toughest part of leadership is be in a room for exhaustion period of time. and saying guys, will you shut up when you leigh here, because i think we are getting close. out the door they go an then suddenly there is a light from a television camera. and then two or three of those guys just like a giant moth just go over to it. what went on in there? well, i had to leig leave becaue they were falking about a tax increase. god bless him. the other guy said i had to leigh because they talk about doing something with precious entitlements. thank god you did. it's b.s. and vagary and tragic. >> bret: what do you think will happen? you know the deal here. you know what is going on. what do you think is going to happen? >> guest: i hope i don't see anything more like statement of leadership on both sides that say i think if we go over the fiscal cliff it will help th

it's men in power thinking they can get away with it, bill clinton, john edwards, newt gingrich, and it's endemic of women in power thinking they can live by different rules. >> let's turn now to the royal family. even the royal family couldn't escape the litany? >> absolutely not. in this case, though, prince harry. he had trouble after trouble. if you invite a bunch of people to your room, get drunk, play strip poker, and allow them to take pictures, you're going to be in the press. while the duchess unfortunately for her had some expectations of privacy, she was alone on a

it is common. >> we can learn a lot from bill clinton. these politicians are getting in trouble with e-mail and sending pictures and photos. he was discreet. could we have learned from him? >> i am in favor of nineties nostalgia. how many e-mails did we get from mitt romney and barack obama and joe biden if he knew what a computer is. i am happy when a president is not bombarding me with fundraising e-mails. i don't believe in story that involves bill clinton saying the word hoodie. >> bill, you told me you don't use e-mail at all. how are the computer classes coming? >> no, i use snail mail, but it is like e-mail because they deliver it to my customers. i put e in an envelope and send it to them. that's what they do. they take it and go -- >> i don't even know what that means. i don't know what this e is. >> mooy either. >> time to take a break, but more stuff is on the way. (car horn) paying with your smartphone instead of cash... (phone rings) that's a step forward. with chase quickpay, you can send money directly to anyone's checking

. >> next, which famous director is making former president bill clinton his next subject. >> and actor hugh jackman stopped by on "katie" to discuss his role in les miserables and captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> good morning, washington. i am meteorologist jacqui jeras. for clocked 53 is the time -- 4:54. it's tuesday morning. clouds moving off to the east. no wet weather expected, but we have fog. we are not below advisory levels. doing fine across much of the metro area. in martinsburg and culpeper and it is about 0.3 miles. 53 degrees from our rooftop camera and a little hazy, wind out of the southwest and 7 miles an hour. morning clouds with a few sprinkles possible, giving way to some clearing this afternoon but it will get blustery, high temperature between 55 and 60. before the next front on thursday to drop fire temperatures down. now to an jamee whitten. >> things are moving well. the greenway, cove road, not much to tell you. a stalled car on the george washington parkway. it is on the shoulder southbound parkway at the chain bridge. 395,

she's not bill clinton's wife trying to reform health care. she's a woman positioned smartly on the world stage and it's been hawkish on many issues. tough to argue with. >> back to you steve for the offense. you're making your case. when will the etch-a-sketch come out? >> i i think it might be connected to this benghazi stuff. you started to hear some snide voices -- >> they nailed susan rice. they nailed the -- they were going after everybody but the secretary. >> but now when she had this concussion i heard some snide voices on the right about is this really a concussion -- >> you mean john bolton. >> i feel if she ends up testifying next month maybe that's the pivot point. if not then, it's going to be soon. i think it's a question of you have one major political party that devotes itself to tearing somebody down. doesn't mean she can't win in 2016. the reason she's at 70% is because a lot of republicans have forgotten they're not supposed to like the clintons. they will get that message in the next year or two. >> my respect for this sen

. >> what about pre-diet bill clinton? >> i was going to say -- >> he had to jog and stop eating pizza. >> he didn't stop eating pizza, and bill clinton struggled with this for a very long time. the reason that bill clinton is such a voice now about obesity and about childhood obesity especially is because of his own issues with his heart problem. he had quadruple bypass surgery. he was one of the most famous "saturday night live" skits that there is. phil hartman, warlords and eating cheeseburgers. we were just speaking about it during the convention. the reality is that bill clinton was known as somebody -- he jogged, but never really changed his lifestyle until after he had a crisis. >> let's talk about somebody who did talk about contemplating changing their lifestyle should they decide. haley barbour from the great state of mississippi. he once said -- he said this at cpac in 2010, the political action conference, if you see i lose 40 pounds, you'll know i'm either running or got cancer, which is a really awful sort o

and people -- that was the genius of bill clinton. he was a democrat from arkansas that knew how to deal with both sides. >> the vote yesterday on the disability treaty was painful. >> with bob dole on the floor. >> terrible, terrible. >> you saw the people that were willing to be moderate in the republican caucus and several of them of the handful that voted for the treaty, several of them are leaving. the moderate caucus, if fear of primaries has become a real probl problem. >> it wasn't even a moderate vote. you're asking the rest of the world to follow the guidelines of a republican president who is very conservative son started pushing the treaty. this wasn't a moderate vote. >> it wasn't. we're actually exerting our standards on the rest of the world. >> it was a fact free -- and you look at, like, the co-sponsor of it voted no. bob corker will be ranking member of foreign relations. voted no. >> who else voted no? >> this is all a concern about the primary. >> jon kyl voted no? >> todd akin is going to beat them in the primary.

. >> i am going to go with bill clinton. >> one speech? >> it was 20 years in the making, the story of the speech, for the first 15 years, republicans treated bill clinton that he was the worst thing that ever happened to american politics. the villain in chief, and after he left the white house, there was the moment in 2008, when republicans decided wait a minute, no, bill clinton is this by-gone symbol of an era, in moderation, they sang his praises for four years, set him up as the good democrat, against obama's bad democrat, and what happens, the good democrat vouches for the bad democrat and disarmed what a lot of republicans were saying about barack obama. >> you have made a reasonable argument. >> i think the enviable one was rick perry, who made the step of going full anti-out immigrant zealotry. >> it totally destroyed rick, he dispatched rick perry on the attack of the hundred thousand subsidy, which allowed the undocumented students to go to the university and pay in-state tuition. romney destroyed him. but in that rhetoric, he

maybe if the president won't call speaker boehner, maybe he'll call bill clinton. governor, as always, thank you. >> thank you, good night. >> senator jeff sessions demanding the fiscal cliff talks be taken out of the shadows. why does he accuse the president of secret negotiations? that's next. many small business owners saying they can't pay for obamacare. but that's not the only thing about the health care law that has them worried. a las vegas business owner tells you about another big problem, one you probably haven't heard about before that may be your problem. plus, he's back. who could forget the drunk guy singing bohemian rhapsody in a police car. wait until you see what he is up to now. you don't want to miss this. it istory of moms, has ever turned down a handmade ornament. that's why we sat up santa's wonderland at bass pro shops. kids can get their free picture with santa, and this week make a... all for free. >> greta: what is the big secret about the fiscal cliff? senator jeff sessions blasting president obama and congressional leaders for holding se

. >> i am going to go with bill clinton. >> one speech? >> it was 20 years in the making, the story of the speech, for the first 15 years, republicans treated bill clinton that he was the worst thing that ever happened to american politics. the villain in chief, and after he left the white house, there was the moment in 2008, when republicans decided wait a minute, no, bill clinton is this by-gone symbol of an era, in good government, moderation, and they sang his praises for four years. they set him up as the good democrat against obama's bad democrat. and then what happens? the good democrat steals the show, vouches for the bad democrat, and disarmed what a lot of republicans were saying about barack obama. >> you have made a reasonable argument. chris hayes, the mvp of the campaign? >> i think the enviable one was rick perry, who made the step of going full anti-out immigrant zealotry. >> it totally destroyed rick, he dispatched rick perry on the attack of the $100,000 subsidy of the illegals, which allowed undocumented students to go t

it's something that bill clinton has suggested. it's something we think is necessary. now, that can be funded by the federal government, the state government. you have have volunteers, it can be done by districts, but every school district ought to look at it and say we have these kids in our charge during the day, and we need to have awe plan to protect them. >> schieffer: i think it is a question that is certainly worth exploring but what i found odd about your news conference-- and maybe it's my bias, i don't know what it is-- but i found it odd that when you came on television at this news conference friday, you seemed to blame the mentally ill. you seemed to blame hollywood. you seemed to blame the media, the video game manufacturers. you did not seen to think that your policies have had anything at all to do with this. >> we don't think they have. >> schieffer: you see no responsibility? you don't see-- >> we're 35th a country, a free country in which people have a right to exercise their second amendment rights. we're living in a country where in the last few de

even bill clinton agrees. here's what he said at a conference i saw him at back in may. >> i think you could tax me at 100% and you wouldn't balance the budget. we're all going to have to contribute to this and if middle class people's wages were going up again and we had some growth in the economy, i don't think they would object to going back to the tax rates. >> with no breakthrough today, fiscal cliff negotiations, could this be a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james lankford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. appreciate you're taking the time. what about this idea of racinin taxes on everyone? the math works much better. >> i heard your lead in when you said this is a new idea. actually, it's not a new idea, there are several democrats who have floated that for a while. the code word is we want to go back to the clinton tax rates and talk about the clinton economy that we had a much more vigorous eco

clinton is probably not talking her out of it. >> bill clinton would love hillary clinton to be president. in fact, the fact that he was so magnanimous with president obama this past campaign was a miracle to a lot of us who covered hillary clinton in '08 because i think the president, bill clinton took his wife's loss harder than she did in that campaign against then senator obama. look, what i think is going to happen is hillary has all the cards to her. she is going to take a year off. she can sleep. she can write a book. she can do speaking appearances. she can be a mom to chelsea. >> maybe a grandmom. >> maybe a grandma. i don't know anything about that. and she can still decide to run. this is going to kill all these other democrats who are hoping to run because the field is frozen until she makes a decision. >> i want to talk to you about that, because you raise an interesting point there are a lot of folks who are suggesting one of the reasons we spend so much time talking about hillary ad nauseam is because there really aren't a whole lot of other democrats out there who could ru

even bill clinton aagrees. here's what he said at a conference back in may. >> i think you could tax me at 100%, and you wouldn't balance the budget. we are all going to have to contribute to this. if middle class people's wages were going up again and we had some growth in the economy, i don't think they would object to going back to the tax rates that were there when i was predz. >> with now break through today and the fiscal cliff negotiations, is this a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james langford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. good to see you, sir. appreciate you taking the time. what about this idea of raising taxes on everyone? the math actually in this case is much more promising. it works much better. >> right. i heard your lead-in on it, and you said this is a new idea floated by howard dean. ints a new idea. several democrats have floated that a while. the code word is going back to the cli

zero doubt in bill clinton's mind as to what he wants. he desperately wants her to do it. chris: you notice what he did in pennsylvania this time, knocked off people that opposed her in the past and helped people that have been with her. >> he is organizing his public life around keeping options open for her. hillary clinton would say, look, i'm exhausted, give me a year to get my life back in order to think about it but i think at every turn in hillary clinton's public life when she's had an option to do something more ambitious, she's chosen that option so to my mind there's not a lot of doubt. chris: let me ask you about the think we alle i agree she'll be encouraged to run. seems to me that other people like vice president biden and governor of new york, they have to get going and make their move. the secretary of state gets to relax, get her head clear, read a novel or two, think about something other than work. how long does she have? >> lining up important fundraisers and clearing the field if that can be done, maximum, a year, and that would give her enough time to

they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left. remember dick cheney said to -- speaking of sequels. remember when dick cheney said you got the high approval ratings you can spend them on the iraq war. republicans what they want is the president to spend some of his popularity and put out unpopular ideas for cuts. democrats don't have an incentive to do that. >> big news. stand by. my thanks. in need to pass along this breaking news from across the pond. we're just learning that prince william and kate middleton are expecting. this is news from clarence house. they will be having their first baby. nbc news is working further to confirm this but the rest of the royal family has said to be excited by this news. she was admitted to the hospital this afternoon because of morning sickness. she's pebted to stay in the hospital for a few days. the panel can all agree -- >> republicans and d

but the tax rates that bill clinton had were pretty good for america. we need to balance this budget. i am not opposed to more spending cuts. i am not. i am not opposed -- i'm against cutting medicare benefits but i'm in favor of payment reform, which we desperately need to do to control costs. so we can do this. but i don't see any particularly harm other than we are going to go into a recession if we go over the slope. >> if you don't think tax rates matter, why is it that over the last 30 years when ronald reagan became president tax rates all over the world have fallen? they've fallen in europe, asia, south america. i mean, it's happening everywhere because countries want to [ overlapping speakers ] >> i have never said tax rates don't matter. [ overlapping speakers ] >> governor howard dean. >> i adegree, howard, we need stable tax rights. i agree with that. i'd just like to have a flat tax. steve moore, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >>> folks before we go i want to send my very best wishes to my long-time friend and producer donna mizlocky

no prescription needed. >>> former president bill clinton's familiarity with pain killers goes back to when he lived in the white house. >> have you ever been prescribed a medication like this? >> well, i did take some pain killers when i tore my -- 90% of my quadriceps, but i tried to be careful and i was in a lot of pain. >> and here's after leaving the oval office. he would once again need pain pills. he says he and his doctors were cautious. >> after my heart surgery, you know, when i was -- i hurt pretty bad for three weeks. so i got some medicine. but i really tried to get off of it as quick as i could. and my doctors were really good about it, telling me, you know, take this if it's killing you, but be careful. telling me takef it's killing you, but be careful. >> crisis center, this is rosie. >> be careful. it's a warning that might prevent call after call pouring in here after the washington poison center. >> poison center. this is deborah. >> i wasn't getting pain relief, and i too many obsessioxycodono. i'm shaky and like headed and just nervous. >> how did we quietly become

those with higher incomes would go back to the tax rates that prevailed when bill clinton was president. why the other side, you know, is horrified by that is perplexing to me. because i look back at the clint era, i was here. that's a long time ago. i was here. i came to the senate. with senator feinstein when bill clinton was president and he faced similar issues in that we had a deficit that was getting out of control, a debt that was getting out of control. we needed to have growth, and so he put forward a plan, a budget plan that invested in our people, invested in the infrastructure, invested in education, and at the same time said we can find cuts in other areas and we can raise taxes on those who are doing very well. and what happened with that fair and balanced approach? what happened was the greatest prosperity in modern history. 23 million jobs, no more deficits, we got to a balanced budget and i remember saying to my husband my goodness, what's going to happen? there won't be any more u.s. government bonds because we're going to be out of the debt situation. we saw -- we saw

clinton. [laughter] now, i will have a little map here for you. things start off at the white house and they move along pennsylvania avenue towards the capitol which is on the right and there's a traditional copy at the white house that takes place and it's a big deal on the days when there is a transition from one president to another. again, 1961 and the was a year a lot of thpictures were made available. you just don't normally see these pictures. here's eisenhower and kennedy together and at the same time you have the women together and these women actually were the first ladies of the country between 1953 and 1974. that is mami eisenhower and that's ladybird johnson, there's jacqueline kennedy who became the new first lady and pat nixon who was the outgoing vice president at that time. another thing that takes place on inauguration day when there is a change in power is by tradition the of going president leaves a note for his successor. this is the note, this is the large envelope that w

he loves the bill clinton era, how about returning to bill clinton era spending in proportion? >> wouldn't that be nice? how about return to the bill clinton era on capital gains rates? it was bill clinton who pushed it down. now president obama is pushing it way up. yet it would be nice to return to the basis of bill clinton, but that's not what we're doing. we're taking a little bit more here, a little bit more there, a little bit more over there. all to pay for all of this wonderful spending that the president wants. >> steve: maybe in four years when hillary runs for president. you have got to figure that's going to happen. >> i wonder what's going to happen to the economy. it's weak now, you raise taxes a little bit more, what happens to the economy? >> steve: so many people have been forecasting that the president does raise rates, couple of years ago, he said during a recession, that's the worst time to jack up rates. now we're not technically in a recession, but we're in a very soft edge. >> watch out, steve, 'cause here it comes, a little bit more. >> steve: thank you