party and described the faltering party this way today's republican party is a bit like a headless body striking out blindly against change. with this sort of talk making the rounds of serious publications like the financial times clearly something is wrong the republican party which thought it was headed for a big night november end up getting creamed losing the presidency losing seats in the senate and receiving more than a million fewer votes in the house than democrats in fact the only reason republicans still have a majority in the house is because republican state legislatures in places like pennsylvania virginia and ohio gerrymandered the congressional districts to neutralize democratic voters in america the republican party is following in the footsteps of the nineteenth century we already rapidly descending into irrelevance but in the fledgling new nation of billionaire a stand your republican party is achieving new prominence and has staked out their position as the ruling party of this tiny nation comprised of extremely wealthy american ex-pats the problem whether you're repu

party of eisenhower unlike today's republicans eisenhower's republican party could stomach a modest increase in taxes in today's taxes on the rich since the top marginal income tax rate during eisenhower's was over ninety percent that was a party that promoted spending more federal money for the good of the nation it was during the eisenhower administration that the interstate highway system was built just look at the republican party's official nine hundred fifty six platform and you'll see what that party used to stand for and how it's been utterly decimated by lunatics today the planks of that platform included programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems such as older workers and kept workers members of minority groups and migratory workers it included help for the low wage workers and extended protection of the federal minimum wage laws to as many workers as is possible and practicable it included help for victims of discrimination with the pledge to continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race creed

voice in the republican party. it's this last group who are willing to compromise and combine their ideologies with governing. it is this group bit by bit who are peeling away the extreme views of the rest of the party. the most important question remains are there enough of them to make a deal and reign in the g.o.p. circus. joining me now charles pierce, writer to esquire and author and host of ring of fire and majority report sam seder. do you feel sorry for john boehner who has all these circus folks with him? >> i don't. >> eliot: shocking to me. >> look, he has--he's trying to maintain his caucus, and you know, at the end of the day i don't really invest too heavily about the actual persons of these politicians. the fact that you were talking about lindsey graham who pressureperceived-- >> eliot: i was setting him up to tear him down. >> the point is he's facing re-election. the republican electorate that the republicans have nurtured and grown. they have created frankenstein, i've said it before on this prog

we don't believe in democracy thread that runs the republican party. sir edmund burke back in the late eighteenth century you know thomas paine went over to england on his way of the french revolution and spent two weeks from burke's home and ended up with these huge fight that he literally wrote a book as a rebuttal to burn which was which was the rights of man and burke rather famously said words to the effect of i'm probably doing this badly from memory but it does me no harm if a man wants to engage in a profession as serve as that of tallow maker or hairdresser but it does society considerable violence of such a man is allowed to participate in governance in other ways we vote how is burke who is considered the godfather of american conservatism russell kirk and in his book all those opens it with those people have nothing more to do can with conservatism than lenin i mean they they don't nothing that people like and rand are and you know control or conservative heroes and of course she was not conservative at all but keep in mind that the foundin

ethic so what what made that transition up for the republican party from the party of fifty six that actually said we're going to have bragged about increasing social security increasing unemployment benefits increasing the minimum wage all those things to the republican party of today where you know they last year basically blackmailed obama with the debt ceiling into cutting unemployment from ninety nine to seventy four weeks well you know from my armchair i think this all sort of started to occur in the eighty's you know. reagan. that was the first time when i you know what i was a kid you know people thought guys would complain about taxes but they would complain about paying their taxes they were proud to pay their taxes but who complained about as you know what the government not you know getting a good good bang for the buck kind of wasting the money two thousand dollars toilets you know in the eighty's you know it became you know you know just taxes themselves are bad thing and then you know you had the republican young guns like grover norquist for example. you know who just

these are two outliers within the beaten republican party. remember, the polls were barely closed before republicans were coming out of the woodwork, talking about how they needed to broaden the tent, be more open and welcoming and approachable to the very people who turned their backs on the republican party and helped re-elect president obama. john sununu is addition you know, he's not speaking for the republican party. ted nugent, he's very entertaining and downright racist in some of the things he says. >> if you like that kind of thing. >> i guarantee you, they're not going to be standing at the speaker's podium in 2016. the party moving beyond those characters. >> i hope you're right. mitt romney, whom you've just written about is seclusion in retail therapy. the man who told us i love cars, american automobiles who bought himself a foreign car audi, built in slovakia, owned byç a germany company. the capital of slovakia is quite aways away from detroit. is this is finally the real romney, the one he promised to give us and now we're

how does the republican party square that? >> well, i think you bring up a good point, an interesting point, and i can't speak for the republican party either, but, you know, as a conservative i would say that i think if you vote, you should show your license and if you buy a gun, heck -- i think if you buy a pack of gum with a credit card especially, that you should show your license, and right now if you buy from an actual store, you have to show your license and there is that instant background check. and so the question i guess is over the gun show loophole, and i don't know if there's going to be any sort of gun control enacted or not, but i do suspect that if there is, that will be the area that vice president biden may very well focus. by the way, let me just say that would have done nothing, as you know, to prevent the tragedy that happened recently, but still and all, i think you have a valid point. >> but some of the measures we talked about i believe would have had an impact on some of the other incidents we've seen

republican party is now too conservative. after the election, even sheldon addleson who has spent millions bank rolling tea party candidates described himself as a social liberal. a retiring republican congressman from ohio described the tea party's rigid opposition to raising taxes on the wealthy this way. the continuing dumbing down of the republican party he said last week. we're going to be seen mother and more as a bunch of extremists, can't even get the majority of our own people to support policies we're putting forward. there's a lot to think about and talk about here. i guess i felt, personally on the side of -- the tea party movement, i don't know how many rallies there are. i think in some very important ways, the tea party has won the tea party mindset sort of grips republicans in power. republicans in congress who are -- either o'they are true believers or they're scared of primary challenges and like we saw with mitt romney in the primary, they just embraced that agenda. amy, can you guys declare a measure of vi

it's not the republican party. you'll want to hear what nancy pelosi had to say about this picture. >>> plus, the great rosie perez is here. actress, director, activist. she'll talk about change and progress after the election. stay with us. welcome to chevy's year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v-8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer power? [ laughing ] [ stops laughing ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. this holiday season, trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $2,000 cash allowance or get a total value of $9,000. >>> one of the gop's many problems is they have become the party of old, white men and it's made them a punch line on late-night tv. >> i'll have you know, there's a great deal of diversity and variety in that group. for instance, these three gentleman alone look like the kind of guys that would sell you three very different types of insurance. and that guy looks like your average news anchor but t

the democratic party was the majority party in that period and republicans had every incentive to reach across the aisle which is really not the case today. today you've got republicans and democrats very narrowly divided, which means all of the incentives are to mobilize your own and to maintain the morale of your own side and this is standing in the way of bipartisan cooperation. >> you know, today because of the neocons and george w., you get the feeling that the republican party is a hawkish party. and all those people, all that crowd i have really come to love, sarcastically. i haven't read your book but i know it's great because i know your angle. to me, the greatest thing about ike is we didn't get involved in suez. tell me about his ability to bluff, saying i'm not going to go into these wars. he basically said no, no, no to the hawks. >> he had seen war, he ran world war ii on the european side and wanted to avoid one. after he got us out of korea in 1953, he didn't lose anybody in combat. that's a record that no president since him -- >> what were the pressures for him to do s

party and destroy the republican party. and the way the republican party would be destroyed is if republicans abandon their basic principle. i don't want the talk about gun control, because i don't know a lot about that. but i will talk about this. if the republicans abandon their principles of limited government and less taxes, no. republicans can't vote for a tax increase because republicans don't believe in raising taxes. we don't want to raise taxes on anybody. we don't want to raise taxes on millionaires. we don't want the raise taxes on people who make $50,000 or $20,000. that's a core principle because the problem with the budget is spending. >> you have the final word. i've got run, unfortunately. but think thank you, joy reid. >> thank you, stephen moore. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish "zero dark thirty," the great movie about getting bin laden, and the difference one person can make. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> last night here in new york city i saw the mov

in running a campaign won't necessarily fix the republican party's problem. i think when we're looking for leadership of the republican party, that's in the hands of john boehner and the policies that he's negotiating with president obama over the next two years before there's another presidential election that begins. the republican party is going to be looking to john boehner to carry its flag. >> well, if boehner is carry the flag, kristen, today his counter proposal said we're going to protect the rich, not give a tax cut, and he put social security and cutbacks and entitlements and seniors on the table. how is that going to help them when all polls show that americans overwhelmingly won't support that. >> i disagree about all polls showing that. i think you've got a lot of folks concerned about the solvency of the entitlement programs. let's take a look. let's not leave anything off the table in terms of looking at both medicare and medicaid and social security. you also have the question of is there a way for you to increase revenue, even if it's revenu

a very thin find red line, that red line of republican party. if this party also commits suicide, this will be catastrophic. neil: we'll explore further why it is that republicans are having trouble with two areas, one winning elects and the other governing, we'll be back with the a-team, and we'll find out who is in charge on this assault on christmas among other questions, stay with us. lou: we're back with the a team. i talked with congressman goudie about the issue of taxes, all right senator tom coburn, and tom coal exceeded two tax hikes. >> it makes terrible sense, we're in a situation where the economy is not growing there are no jobs. we're facing an inflationary environment too. it is troubling, and it is just about politics, and ideology and pushing that forward no matter what without thinking -- >> what they are saying is that obama will have to give more, than entitlement cuts and spending cuts and republicans might have to acquiesce to tax hikes. lou: what is the republican party coming, monica used expression political party suici

however the fact of the matter is the right now twenty five percent of the republican party wants to secede from the union and there's a good chunk of them who want to do so because it's a largely white party and they want to have their largely white country and you've got people like pat buchanan write books about how it is going to be the end of civilization because the white people are going to run anymore time for us to go get a grip. brother mccain in los angeles for the mccain welcome to the program. that issue came up about race because race is hardly president in california courts i am a sixty four year old black man my house was burglarized and broke into. a claim against the farmers in charge went to court the farmers in charge sent me their orders to me or barroso telling me to wash my hands i said this is old news later you kids are yes ariel i'm not i got our senior copy owed to operate. so me to wash my hands of it i went to the courts and sacramental he got the judge deny me even talking about what i had i had to go to the judicial council would own the judge's stock a

that leaves a mantle of leadership for the tea party wing of the republican party wide open. that is a lot of power and a lot of fund-raising opportunity. and if you believe the timeline of the records, demint and the heritage foundation saw that opportunity whereby they could join forces and seize it and perhaps even become leaders of that wing of the party. now, they're not alone. you know who's leading the other wing of the republican party right now? and also getting a bunch of money? the don't primary all of your incumbents and choose all of your unelectable candidates wing of the party. that is karl rove. here's how rove explained his election experience. >> i was involved in a group called american crossroads. it's the worst volunteer job i've had in my life. i was in charge of raising money. we raised $324 million, and i got sick and tired of spending money in races where the moderates and the conservatives had gone at each other and made victory impossible. >> rove has said he wants to reorient crossroads and some reporting says he's going to do that by beginning to

this is what he said on cnn yesterday about the republican party. and then we'll talk about it on the other side. take a listen. >> we kind of drift in areas where we take on special, you know, fringe issues. and it gets us stuck in these alleyways of life that take our focus away from what is really important for the american people. >> gets stuck in the alleyways of life. does jon huntsman have a point there? hi, has a point to a degree. there is also sour grapes. remember, he did not have a good performance in the primaries, and did not have a stellar primary field. jon huntsman didn't come close. do we need to do soul-searching as republicans? absolutely. is it a good thing, craig? yes. do we need to reinvent the party? no. what we should do is look inside and say if we concentrate on small government, low taxes and national security, we'll do well. and in that, jon huntsman is right. >> and not social issues? >> i think we should stay away from social issues and leave those to the states. because the true conservative, you don't want the federa

more than 80% of respondents felt the republican party was something -- a party that did not care about them. so i think going into the future and especially speaking to those communities and demographics that were not supportive of the republican party this time around, it will be important for us as college republicans to make sure we got that message out to those communities in a way that shows that the republican party cares about the future of the entire country by making us a more sustainable place to live. >> rick: meghan, how do you do that? how does the republican party reach out and say, we care about you to the immigrant community? immigration, it seems like republicans are eager now, since election day, to get some kind of a bill going on immigration reform. how do young people in your party see that issue and where would you like to see the reform movement go? >> well, i think this is backing off of what jake was saying about the economic situation. i think both sides of the party need to compromise. i mean, some of the republican viewpoints on immigration just don't really

what's in in the republican party that just took a licking? bob shrum is a democratic strategist and columnist at the daily beast, and john brabender ran rick santorum's presidential campaign. i expect you gentleman to play fair and aim directly below the belt. just kidding, bob. i want to ask you as a liberal, a progressive, looking across at the right you see jim demint, a guy the late tim russert once said i can't believe jim demint is a senator. he is the leader, the ramrod of all those right wing challenges. he put up ron johnson to beat mitch mcconnell because he's too liberal. he's leaving, quitting his senate seat, giving it up, to run the heritage foundation. we have other stuff coming up, but let's start with that. >> first of all, he's going to make a lot more money. ed fuelner, who is leaving, makes $1 million a year. demint has a net worth of $40,000. secondly, the leadership has tried to rein him in. they've said, you can't go out and go after these conservative republicans with really conservative republicans in primaries becaus

this week a critical test for the republican party as it does post election soul searching, all the while there's a high stakes fiscal cliff set of talks going on in washington. rick santorum, one of gop's most outspoken republican leaders and nationally he's raising 2016 speculation. let's get right to it. how do you look at 2016 right now? there's expectation you'll be in the hunt. where is your head now? >> my head now is we've got a lot on our plate. there's so much -- so much as i said during the campaign, this is the most critical election in our country's history and seeing the consequence now here in washington now around the world. we're trying to stay engaged. i started an organization, patriot voices and we got involved in that. we got involved in the treaty on capitol hill, they were trying to pass a u.n. treaty that we felt was an overreach, something that would involve the united nations in the rights of parents and being able to provide was best for their disabled children and as well as other things that we are disconcerning about the u.n. and reach here. i think most peop

republican party's descent into complete madness reached a new depth this week or a new height or get whipped up by paranoid delusions of a one world autocratic un government senate republicans on tuesday killed an international treaty designed to help people with disabilities all across the planet the u.n. sponsored convention on the rights of persons with disabilities requires signatory nations to provide for their disabled populations and get this in the same way that the nineteen ninety americans with disabilities act provides for americans with disabilities it would have required absolutely no changes to existing new law u.s. laws since again we already passed the americans with disabilities act when twenty years ago ratification of that treaty simply meant the united states like one hundred twenty six other nations that have already signed in approved the treaty is on board with setting standards for the rest of the world to follow when it comes to meeting the needs of the disabled americans used to pride ourselves in setting moral examples for the rest of the world which is why

fed up after republican parties lost in the election. some members of the gop are pushing former congressman jc watts to run for chairman, but a lot of people in the party don't seem too hot on the idea. a leader tells our peter hamby he had no prayer. roland martin warns that responses like that could backfire. he writes even if they choose not to vote for watts, if he decides to even seek the job, it is his skin color and perspective. "outfront" tonight, jc watts. good to see you. what do you think about what role land martin had to say, that the party needs to be careful how it responds to you, considering running, thinking about race. >> well, i don't necessarily believe that the answer is to take a black face and put him in the chair at the rnc or asian or native american. i think we have to surround ourself at the rnc and within the party, we have to understand diversity and diversity is not a bad word. i take a biblical world view on diversity. god made you white. he made me black. he made you a female. he made me a male. i think

him the first out gay member of the republican party in pennsylvania. but i'm interested in part because that represents more libertarian impulse in the republican party, one that again feels like it's been sort of overshadowed by social conservatism in the past couple of years. i want to talk about that when we come back and that decision on friday that had all of us in nerdland shaking our heads in disbelief when we come back. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. [ sighs ] thanks! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth

pollster shows the republican party is in big trouble. quote, republicans have run out of persuadable white voters for the fifth time in the past six presidential elections. republicans lost the popular vote. trying to win a national election by gaining a larger and larger share of a smaller and smaller portion of the electorate is a losing political proposition. >> mitt romney won the white vote by 20 points, 59/39. he won the white vote by 20 points because he won voters who said the economy was the most important issue. he won political independents, and he still lost convincingly. i would add to the five out of six popular vote, it's amazing. in the 1980s democrats always worried and they said, republicans have a lock on the electoral college. reagan won twice with over 500 electoral votes. h.w. bush won in '88. the ceiling in electoral college is probably the 286 bush got. new mexico, colorado, montana, if those states start to be swing states or go to the democratic side, it's not even the popular vote, it's the electoral college. >

tenants of the republican party, and i ask you, if you don't spond now, when would the republican party respond? >> i'll let you in on a secret, lou, because i like you. between us, and us only -- lou: is this where you start to tell me to go to hell? >> no, sir, i would never, never tell you that. we had a plan that many conservatives in the house worked on, and we were going to unvail it last week. we were going to unvail it only the exact same day that speaker boehner unvailed his response so we canned it, but there is a group of conservatives led by jim jordan, extraordinary person from ohio, and others. we do have a plan, and it's earlly like cup, cat, and balance, which i hasten to add would have averted the so-called super committee, and what we are talking about today, and it had bipartisan support. if we get the house leadership to reinvest and cut cap and balance, our plan last summer, but something about washington that if it's not a new idea, it's not a good requested. i'm sure there's a reluctance to go back to the old plan, but we did have somethinwe were going to roll out

but the republican party is now saying, look. there's not going to be a charismatic black candidate on the republican side in 2016. we don't have to worry. they do have to worry. minorities are in the middle class are very capable of voting for people other than charismatic black candidates. they have not had much choice in the past. the republican party can't sit back and say, well, in 2016, this will fall in our laps and be okay again. they have to be dynamic and simply change policies to attract more voters. >> roger simon, thank you very much. what a column you have written. everyone should check it out. thanks, roger. >> thanks, tamron, as always. >> absolutely. >>> the photographer that took a picture of a man pushed to his deaths rather than reach out to help him. he's defending the decision to take the picture. >> whether i had a camera or not and i was running towards it, there is no way i could have rescued mr. han. >> i'll talk with congresswoman schwartz last week calling on mr. boehner to meet with the president. now

. >> when do you think the republican parties broke bad? when did it start to be a part that you couldn't be a member of anymore? >> i think it started several years ago. maybe two, three years ago. i mean, i left the party two years ago and became an ind pen dependent. i did so, because of the fact that on all of those issues, it just wasn't comfortable for me to be there anymore. but, you know, for me, as a live and let live kind of guy, as somebody who wants to be toll rant, who wants to be kind, the leadership doesn't seem to embrace that kind of view. so it became uncomfortable to me. the values that my mother and father raised me and my three sisters with were to do unto others. be good to other people. reach out to them. we're all in this together. >> i love all of that. >> those things don't matter to me. i think they matter to the american people. >> well, i think you're right on all of that stuff. but i va to warn you, governor, there is a blue plate special blue ribbon you have to buy into everything. for example, you have to be

he writes today, the republican party has a long way to go before it revives itself as a majority party. over the past month the republican party has changed more than i expected. they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. he cites a number of things including the fiscal tax -- sorry. the fiscal cliff looming ahead of republicans and the sort of begrudging view towards reality that the tax rates are going to rise. he talks about marco rubio and paul ryan and offering a vision for the gop. but at the end of the day, marco rubio has said i don't want to pursue comprehensive immigration reform. and look -- >> let's be honest here. >> go ahead. marco rubio said he's not so sure science is a form of evaluating how old the earth is. gave me a break here. you can put lipstick on a pig, it doesn't change the pig. these guys are trying to dress themselves up and avoid talking about the issues. as long as they nominate people like todd aiken and richard murdo murdoch, they're not going to avoid these issues. and as long as they have primary voters who make mitt romney, as they called

does the republican party see any blowback from this? this is the democratic senatorial campaign response. s it is not only wrong that the nrsc would provide funds to support a dangerous extremist like todd akin, it was underhanded and dishonest that they would purposely mislead the public about their actions. >> i think where they'll have to answer to it is in the bigger picture. and not surprisingly, i disagree with ann coulter on this one, even though she has been saying some rather sensical things of late. the war on women, and that was the biggest calculation i think that the republicans made. it actually really started with the whole incident around susan g. komen and the planned parenthood defunding where women started to see and hear a level of conversation about the importance of women's health and the politicization of women's health that they were very uncomfortable with. they couple that with, and there are state measures and there are some going on now where they're trying to give fetuses tax status and personhood amendments

who needs the republican party? >> you think there will be an internal squabble, a fight, maybe an attempt to cede him in the end? >> i don' i don't know about th. i think there's a big choice for republicans. john boehner is basically slowly, quietly essentially offering himself as the guy who can kind of run the obama-size state more efficiently. in other words, he can provide slightly less insane arithmetic. he's come up with $800 billion of extra revenue. so what? that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a complete waste of time. >> here's my criticism. they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend all the bush tax cuts and then the president and the senate or th

look at evangelicals, roughly half of the republican party, almost half the republican party in terms of voting share in this year's shares identifies as evangelicals, asking them their view on gay marriage, you can't measure the support. so tiny. ask 18 to 29-year-olds evangelicals of gay marriage and support level at 44%.ç might have gone up since then and close to 50% among -- evangelicals and where the resistance coming from in the republican party so as that sort of cohort ages, expands, ages out, that's the future for the republican party. the change comes from within. >> there's a question there, too, of the younger ones sort of having an influence on the older generation and happening at times, too. >> maybe. i'm optimistic about the marriage equality in this country. not necessarily optimistic about the republican party coming along without being forced to come along but i'm looking at the quinnipiac numbers, encouraged about the future of the war on drugs. there's tremendous support of people for marijuana legalization, total numbers, 51% in favor of legalizing marijuana.

there's also the struggle within the republican party. this is the second issue that i will talk about briefly. it is not just about the foreign policy debates which there are people trying to go towards a less militaristic vision of the cold war and a kind of center. it is also a real hard line right wing outlook within the republican party that is most clearly symbolized in robert taft's run for the presidency against eisenhower during the primary campaign. taft, as we all know, loses, but has interesting conversation he has with eisenhower after congratulating him on victory that the theme he wants eisenhower to pursue is liberty is being threatened by creeping socialism in every domestic field. there's a kind of totalitarianism that is invading american politics. eisenhower takes this language up much more than we really realize. is hard right strip the new deal because the new deal is interchangeable with a version of either socialism or totalitarianism. this becomes especially difficult, this hard-line language becomes especially di

>> the republican party will trying to be modernize their message. they are trying to energize their base and get things done in washington. looking at two big issues. the tax reform, general disgroedi disagreeme disagreement there. >> where they agree, and immigration reform. >> stephanie, let me put it a slightly different way. how long does president obama's second term last? second terms don't last four years sometimes domestically. >> they last four years, but there's a shelf life to what you can get done. >> yeah. >> paw team will start looking at the midterms quickly. >> this is his year. >> 2013 is an important year to get things done. tax reform, immigration reform. we have to finish implementing the health care law. a year from now people will be signing up for exchanges in states all over the country. >> perry? >> we don't know if barack obama is a liberal a moderate. we've been debating that for two, four years. >> you think we'll know? >> i think we'll know. we will know by next year. >> i'm going put you on the spot, mcauliffe, the big

is there a change i in the attitude of the republican party? >> first of all diversity" is our ridiculous. the best person should move forward regardless.. if republicans believe in amnesty, they should enact amnesty. the hope that this will deliver significant numbers of current democrat hispanics the republican party i think isis naive because the main reason hispanic support the democratic party is economic policies, not immigration. you have 62% of likely hispanic voters in september poll by fox saying they supported obamacare. this despite the catholic church opposition to the contraception mandate. so much for the social values. they support proposition 30 in california to raise taxes one upper income californians and to raise the sales tax because hispanics remain at the lower level of the economic ladder and they use government welfare programs at a very high rate.t . lou: i welcome this discussion. now being by the republicans one reforming our immigration laws. but i hope there is not a rush to judgment somehow loses across a vast sea

demint is behind the tea party strategy of purifying the republican party in the cleansing fire of party primaries. demint created this pact called the senate conservativist fund, a pact he made into a super pac which makes it more super and exists to help conservative republicans beat other republicans. "since 2009 demint has raised more than $17 million to promote promising candidates in an effort to remake the senate not just in a republican image but in a diehard conservative one." the image of jim demint, even. and he has often done it by going to electoral war with his own party leadership. in the 2012 midterm elections demint threw his weight behind marco rubio in the republican primary for florida's senate race. despite the fact that the national republican senatorial committee and republican leader mitch mcconnell endorsed charlie crist in that race. marco rubio went on to win that primary and that senate seat. demint also backed rand paul in his primary. that was a fight, by the way, that took place in mcconnell's home state of kentucky and mcconnell endorsed the other guy. the