that last quote of course was from rick snyder. current governor of michigan, who is apparently now been convinced that nothing is too divisive for his state. what happened to governor rick snyder around so fast on this? and what is going to happen to michigan if they pushed this through, as they say they are going to at lightning speed as early as tomorrow morning with no debate? joining us now for some insight is andy potter. he is a state vice president in the michigan corrections labor union. mr. potter himself is a republican, which makes me particularly grate to feel have a chance to talk to you tonight. so thank you for being here. >> absolutely. >> you are republican. your republican party is poised to strip union rights in a way that they didn't campaign on and that nobody really saw coming. why do you support union rights and what do you think is going on with your party? >> well, i support union rights because i've seen throughout the years the good that they have done in bringing to light some of the injustices that hap

governor rick snyder yesterday, the audacity -- right? of saying, oh this is pure kind of fox news bs. what? me? i just signed this anti-worker legislation. no, i am not anti-worker. i am pro-worker. >> so we are moving forward on the topic of workplace fairness and equality. again, i don't view this anti-union at all. i believe this is pro-worker. >> bill: right. it's like charlie manson saying i am pro-life, you know. >> peter: right. >> bill: ridiculous. and then rick snyder says, by the way, it's not fair to call these people freeloaders. >> i think it's absolutely inappropriate to say someone is a freeloader. michigan people are hard-working people trying to make a living. if the union is offering them a value proposition, i don't see a michiganer hesitating to pay those dollars >> bill: i came close to calling that what it is. total b.s of course they are freeloaders. i have all of these people around me. they are paying their dues so we can get representation in the state legislature in the congress so we can work and get better re

snyder i mean given that rick snyder surprised a lot of people rightly or wrongly perhaps we should have expected this but given that rick snyder surprised perhaps the white house by making this last minute announcement obama may have been in a jam where he was going to be there there's been frustration in the past by the failure to speak up for example earlier in wisconsin and so this is the situation he found himself in but certainly as we move into a second term under obama it's a good sign for labor that faced with this situation obama did choose to speak with some vigor about the issue while he found himself in michigan absolutely sunny josh just pointed out the in in all probability the president himself you know when this trip was first planned they had no idea that he was going to be walking into a right for right to work for less explosion in his face how much notice to the u.a.w. have of this. you know we were at the table with the governor because when things going to change didn't assume negotiate a way that the legislature and labor community could work together and so

tom the narrative was that rick snyder is a different brand of republican who was trying to move the fractured the suffering republican republican tea party back to the middle away from its billionaire masters away from the riffraff tea party this was supposed to be a governor and we saw this afternoon how wrong mainstream media was again but he was supposed to be the governor who moved away from the corporate lapdog mentality that controls people like rick scott or scott walker so i you know i don't see this as the end to unions at all i think what it is is that people start paying attention to statistics their statistics where out of the ten most poverty stricken states in america eight of those states are right to work states they're all red states by the way where you have in those right to work states the statistics start emerging where we see that employer sponsored health care insurance is dramatically lower in those right to work states not just for union members but for everybody for the purpose for the purpose for the persons working right next to that union member their ri

rick snyder. anyway, this (bleep) guy. michigan governor rick snyder went before congress ten months ago to say he was not particularly interested at this time in making the bedrock union state of michigan a right to work state. >> right to work is an issue that is a very divisive issue. people feel very strongly about it. we have many problems in michigan that are much more pressing that i want to find common ground issues we can work together on before we get into divisive issues. >> jon: (whispering) going to bring people together. (laughter) he was going to focus on common ground things people from michigan want and need. more robocoppers on the streets of new detroit. (laughter) getting the tourism board to work a little harder on its new slogan. (laughter) and finally -- (applause). finally michigan was going to fin their statue i have been petitioning for online. (laughter) they've got a rocky statue in philly, they should have a kid rock statue in detroit. that's some bull (bleep) right there. (laughter) none of th

so that's why rick snyder says he got rid of union rights in the state. michigan at the same time voted no on the emergency manager law. and so rick snyder responded to that vote by passing a new emergency manager law. one that can't be repealed by the voters this time. that happened this afternoon. snyder is due to sign it as soon as it hits his desk. and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what the republicans are going to do, what the republicans might do differently now, but this isn't about talking. in michigan we are seeing what they are doing. are these guys an outlier or is this representative of what

earlier this week thousands of people flooded the michigan state capital protesting governor rick snyder and his state's new right to work for a las law where these union busting laws come from in the first it's also wal-mart workers are taking another step toward a decent living tomorrow as workers around the globe participate in a day of action against the world's largest corporation were demonstrations expected to be held and will these global protests do the trick and force wal-mart to finally listen to its employees and later in the show we'll have a your take my take a live segment your chance to call in and ask a question or make a comment live on the air. you need to know this everybody wants to be a star that's the refrain of the old song of the same name and apparently that everybody includes wanna be comedian stephen crowder who's got a little viewed web you tube website from which he's trying to make a living and appears that in his rush to fame crowder honked sean hannity last night for. at the giant protest against michigan's new right to work for less money in law crowder

if we have one-issue voters on the other side who say even though i like rick snyder i can't vote for him because he's against common sense gun control and he and several others lose, then the politics will change. that's why 2014 is a decisive election in this and people have to organize, organize, organize, and if the obama voters, and there are enough of them, if they go out and they get off their fannies and they vote in 2014 against politicians who are in favor of laws that allow children to die and if they frame it that way and they hit it hard and they win, then the giant will be slain of the nra. >> from your lips to god's ears. julian, what will their excuse be for why we do not need any additional gun control legislation? >> the same thing they always say, which is that the guns are not the reason for the fact that we have 11,000 gun related homicides every year and that, in fact, guns are important for self-defense. as we discussed on the show on friday, those statistics are just demonstrably false. if you look at comparatively where we are with respect to the rest of the w

do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car that is paying for pensions of people who retired five years ago that's correct is a do youing state. one of the most beautiful states in the union and that's what happens. >> let me answer your great point. this is true. right now detroit is on the verge of bankruptcy. one of america's great cities. they have lost half their population. can go on the internet. i urge our viewers to go out there. you can buy homes in detroit for a thousand dollars. last time i was there, it was shocking how one boarded up house of a another. it almost looked like new orleans of a hurricane katrin

i just talked to michigan's governor rick snyder, and this is what he had to say about the rationale for this legislation, which he says he is going to sign. >> we have had a number of people that said they would like to choose to join the union or have the flexibility not to, and they believe they'll get better account at for unions. could be a positive for unions over the longer term. >> could i ask you to respond on what of the uaw to what the governor just told me? >> yeah, a bunch of mularkey really. the governor knows that people in the uaw under our constitution have a right to be in the union or not. under federal law people have a right to be in the union or not. the question is do people in the community -- if you are in a city and they pick up the trash, they have police or fire, everybody pays taxes. when are you in a union or workplace, you get representation and procedure, bargaining, and you pay your fair share of the costs of that representation. >> what will be the effect of this? is it going to bust the union and change the life of workers in michigan forever? >> it

before i do so, please i'd like you to listen to what michigan governor rick snyder had the temerity to say on "morning joe." listen to this. oh. we appear to not have that. we seemed to suggest this morning that for some reason this was good for workers. how is right to work -- >> nothing could be further from the truth. basically what he has done is blind sided a lot of folks up there in michigan. and it's not good for workers in that workers will be able to benefit, they don't have to join a union. but now they'll be getting representation for better benefits and better wages. and not presenting any kind of dues to pay for that representation. and that's a deliberate effort, martin, to destroy unions. we see it here in the congress. i've seen it in my own committee. there has been a march by our republican colleagues to do everything in their power to destroy and weaken unions. and this is just another effort in that road. and i think people have to see this for what it is. you know, keep in mind that governor snyder said he was not going to get involved in this because he thought

rick snyder. anyway, this (bleep) guy.

governor rick snyder officially signing right to work laws that diminish the power of unions. doug luzader is life in washington for us. >> michigan makes it 24 there are 2 dozen right to work states across the country. michigan may be the most significant because of the historic role it played in the growth of union power just decade after decade. it did get ugly outside of the state capitol there in lansing. there were huge protests outside of the capitol building. at one point union supporters had a small counter protest. steven crauter was punched several times. michigan's republican governor told bill o'reilly last night that the new law was about worker's rights. >> this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is not about other basics e about organizing at all. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> democrats fear this could sway other big union states to follow suit. the incoming house minority leader in mi

and rick snyder just breaking with that tradition. so congressman, what happens -- i have to say for current tv, this would not have happened if our current tv's jennifer granholm were still governor of michigan. >> absolutely. >> bill: right? >> absolutely. you know, it is such a step backward. it is such a step backward. it goes back 67 years. international relations act essentially said america's better off if workers have a voice. what made the middle class of michigan? >> bill: sure. union workers. >> where does the union movement go? this is a big blow. what should they learn from this going forward so this doesn't happen in other states because as i understand it, right-to-work laws are in about half the states. >> bill: now 24. michigan is 24. >> i think it means work harder. the labor movement has worked hard. what it means i think is having a stronger conversation in america about whether we want workers to have a voice in the workplace. and if they don't what are the consequences? you know, we've had a flattening of income

governor rick snyder likes to be seen as an anti-regulation guy. but not for this. the shutdown the clinics regulations, and the anti-telemedicine law that governor rick snyder in michigan is poised to sign after these bills race through both houses of the michigan legislature during this lame duck session, both of these target abortion rights in michigan. if fully implemented, they're expected to likely shut down most of the abortion clinics in michigan. governor snyder is hard at work on that now. while he is at it, the jobs, jobs, jobs governor is also poised to sign a law that would ban any insurance policy in michigan from covering abortion. no insurance coverage for abortion unless you would die without getting that abortion. that is the only exception. so if you are raped, if you are raped by your father or your uncle, if you're the victim of incest, tough luck. you can hold a bake sale or something. governor rick snyder is poised to ban your insurance from covering that cost. jobs, jobs, jobs. and also because obviously it was the message of the last electio

clearly today scott walker john casey rick snyder reside in a much much different republican party republicans like paul ryan who has twice tried to end medicare as we know it and supported plans to hand social security over to wall street also hang out in a very different party than eisenhower and rush limbaugh things paul ryan is the last boyscout of the republican party but i somehow or would have just called paul ryan's stupid as eisenhower wrote to his brother edgar in one nine hundred fifty four she'd any political party attempt to abolish social security unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws think michigan rick snyder and farm programs you would not hear that party again in our political history there's a tiny splinter group of course that believes you can do these things if you texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas their number is negligible and they are stupid as barlow told me republicans used to care about helping poor people the republican party through reagan and the first president bush. didn't want to abolish the well first

at the time reporters wanted to know whether rick snyder would support what is known as a right to work law. the idea of right to work is simple. under a right to work law, employees of a union shop don't have to pay union dues. the employees get the benefit of the union, the higher wages and better health care, all of that, but they do not have to pay for it. why pay money if you can have something for free? for unions, the results of this are close to catastrophic which is why republicans and big business love right to work laws. they are a way of destroying unions. the same heritage foundation that will be jim demint's new home says union membership fell by 15% in states that passed right to work. union organizing fell by half, passing a right to work law stops unions and it stops organizing. on the labor left, the economic policy institute reports that wages fall by more than 3% after you institute right to work. and pensions take a hit, too. that's why unions call right to work the right to work for less. with governor snyder saying he wanted no part of a fight over right to work j

governor rick snyder is here. that's next. also senator john mccain calling president obama's refusal to intervene in syria disgraceful and shameful and that was months ago when he said that and now when it is so much worse. sierra is reportedly ready to use gas against their own people. what does senator initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now complete. introducing droid dna by htc. it's not an upgrade to your phone. it's an upgrade to yourself. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're getting ready for the holidays, we're getting ready for you. tis the season. for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. >> first the wisconsin state capitol, now michigan. hundreds protesting against michigan coming a right to work state. today republican governor rick snyder and gop leaders saying they will push to right to work legislation. and tonight both the michigan house and cincinnati passing the measure. we spoke with.gov nor snyder

all that's left now is for republican governor rick snyder to sign it. it will curb the power of unions, it gives workers the chance to decide for themselves whether or not to pay union dues. they decide that as opposed to mandatory dues which is the way that the state has been run and so many other states have been run up to now. this is a story that has been playing out, it has seen some very plowed -- loud and violent protests, but peaceful demonstrations going on right now around the statehouse. again, final approval given by the republican-controlled house in the state government there in michigan. all that's left is the governor's signature, it could come later today or tomorrow. of we will certainly keep you posted. >>> americans facing great danger in hot spots all around the world. it's now three months since the murderous attack at our consulate in libya. is the u.s. any closer now to bringing the killers to justice and making sure that nothing like that ever happens again? >>> also, you may not be familiar with this country, but terrorists lin

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now, the governor rick snyder is expected to sign this legislation when and if it hits his desk. a lot of folks here believe that this is a back door attempt at trying to limit democracy in the state of michigan. you can hear some of the protests behind me and union workers here believe it's a direct attempt at trying to break the backs of the unions as i should say and a lot of folks believe that this is payback for the result of the election on november 6th. the re-election of president obama. i spoke with the head of the chamber of commerce here in michigan. he believes this is going to be beneficial to the state. helps him go around the country and around the world promoting jobs in michigan. this will make business more pro-friendly here in michigan. now, some of the workers here today believe it's an issue of fairness. that they believe all the advances that union leadership over the generations have helped to put in effect here in this state are essentially going to be taken advantage of nonpaying members. here's what a member had to say this morning. >> you bring a nonuni

rick snyder is up for re-election in 2014 anyway. he already isn't that popular: michigan is generally a blue state to start with. so if you could take out rick snyder in 2014, again, the legislature as it will be comprised this coming year amenable with the democratic governor to undoing the law. >> you don't mean a recall. >> no, no. like in wisconsin, you know, a lot of people in the wake of that say how did scott walker win by so much? voters may not have liked what he did but they didn't like the idea of, you know, he's in the middle of the term. let him finish we elected him to. that's not an issue for snider in 2014. >> i think it should be pointed out that the unions in michigan stand to lose $100 million a year and you can't remove that from the discussion when you're talking about the stakes. the stakes are high. for both sides but i think steve has very smartly laid out the mechanisms by which people who object to these right to work laws can go about overturning them if they so choose. hopefully what doesn't happen is the

even though the governor, rick snyder, didn't talk about it, but mary kay henry wanted to make a final point. >> i just disagree with the idea that it's wait and see. we know that ohio, missouri, kansas are all considering right to work legislation in january, and i agree with the last speaker's point. this is a 30-year assault to dismantle worker organization because it allows the wealthy incorporations to set low wages and put profits above people in this country, and it destroys our democracy because workers have the resources to be able to fight not just for union rights, but for environmental protections, for voting rights. >> for women. >> for protecting planned parenthood, for immigration rights, and that's why there is going to be such a systematic attack. now that they couldn't suppress the vote, they're now going to try to take worker organizations off the playing field for 2014 and 2016. >> that's a different point than i was making. i think it's much less likely this time, legislation like this. >> scott walker said today or yesterday that he will not pursue right to work l

republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be as big, if not bigger, and the uaw, of course, the unions are even stronger in michigan than they are in wisconsin, so, you know, this will be a

snyder for his signature. protesters of this new law number some 10,000 at today's demonstrations. most league made up of uaw union of the workers, machinists, teachers, sometimes angry crowds that seem to be taking cues frm their democratic leaders. one group described by those on the ground as a mob chanting and gohome while tearing down a conservative activist group tent. a member of that mob scene right here. this as protesters are heard in the background treatening the police with violence. here he is trying to plead with pro union protesters to be less physical, lot less. >> already destroyed onetent. leavitt's and alone. >> get out of my face. >> don't teardown that tend. >> get out of my face. i didn't hurt nobody. get outta my ace. get at my face. lou: one state legislator before the bout had been taken declared there would be blood, repercussions, as you saw there. some protesters got more than just a little physical. democratic state reprentative said i right to work legislation were to be passed, t