i do not believe that the cia will give this up. i think president obama and the future president will preserve the option for the cia to do these targeted killings, because it can be a very seductive thing for presidents to have these things done in secrecy. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, crowds welcoming the force dutch king in more than a century. -- the first dutch king. and the birth of the universe. this time, working on the internet instead. 18 at a nuclear research center in geneva has recreated the first-ever on the world wide web. a warning, there are flashing images in this piece from our correspondent. the web is now so much a part of our lives, we use it to shop, to learn, and to work. it is now so ubiquitous, so normal, it is hard to imagine a world without it. in 1994, it was all very new. this was the very first bbc television news report on the emergence of the web. >> things are only now being realized. cyberspace. >>

i do not believe that the cia will give this up. i think president obama and the future president will preserve the option for the cia to do these targeted killings, because it can be a very seductive thing for presidents to have these things done in secrecy. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, crowds welcoming the force dutch king in more than a century. -- the first dutch king. and the birth of the universe. this time, working on the internet instead. 18 at a nuclear research center in geneva has recreated the first-ever on the world wide web. a warning, there are flashing images in this piece from our correspondent. the web is now so much a part of our lives, we use it to shop, to learn, and to work. it is now so ubiquitous, so normal, it is hard to imagine a world without it. in 1994, it was all very new. this was the very first bbc television news report on the emergence of the web. >> things are only now being realized. cyberspace. >>

he and others created a nother culture within the cia. which emphasizes nation building counterterrorism pacification. and. that. had some purchase during the eisenhower administration but you don't see it really becoming full blown until vietnam you know back back in the in the late sixty's early seventy's correct me if i'm wrong on this there was a book that came out in which i read about this culture war within the cia and it was about the cowboys and the eastern elite i forget the phrase they used for them but it was basically the cowboys was one of the you know these knuckle draggers was one of the it was used for for for practice for you know guerrillas for care practitioners of counterinsurgency grooming warfare unconventional for versus the the the intelligence gatherers the john cover right a locker right types right who who wanted to act with dignity and within the law by a large perhaps no i would not say that about anybody ok so why does an organization that is it is extra legal how did the. how is it extra legal if it's autho

it was the cia who did it with a drone. it was apparent the two governments lied about killing that guy in pakistan in 2004. it was clear pakistan hadn't done it, that we had done it, but what was not known until now is that first ever guy we killed in pakistan with a drone strike was not somebody we were really after. and it wasn't like he was killed by mistake. he was not a senior al-qaeda figure. he was not somebody that the united states had grand designs on and wanted to kill. he was somebody who pakistan wanted dead. pakistan was mad at him for their -- we thought pakistan would let us fly our drones over the country. and the drone in pakistan in 2004, mark reports that he was essentially -- so that we could kill more people there. like with a drug dealer, first one's free. the first time the u.s. government used a drone to kill somebody outside of a war zone. we did it in yemen in 2002, a cia predator drone killed this guy, who u.s. officials believeded was the master mind behind the u u.s.s. cole bombing. killed in

of the many candidates one of them has gone to know the cia's yolland curiosity to and cam dot com as legal targets will take a look at the history they share. and detainees at guantanamo bay continue their hunger strike and as it stretches into date fifty six how exactly mia and for the detainees and what exactly is it doing to their health arts you will explore more about this deteriorating situation. plus three d. printers it may be consider the future of manufacturing right now it appears they've gone mainstream more of this tech development coming up. it's tuesday april second four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r.t. begin today with a look at who could be the next head of the f.b.i. f.b.i. director robert mueller is on his way out and throughout his twelve year tenure he's transformed the organization from a crime fighting agency to a terrorism fighting agency now the obama ministration is searching for someone to fill his shoes here are some of the names that are circulating over the weekend the washington post reported that the next f.b.i. director

we think of the cia as operating elsewhere. they're supposed to be spying on our enemies abroad, but that initial focus on whether the cia was acting improperly at home, that got eclipsed thanks to some comments by gerald ford. president ford has reportedly warned associates that if the current investigations go too far, they could uncover several assassinations of fortune officials involving the cia. because of those comments from president ford, the church committee ended up changes its focus. they ended up spending a lot of time looking into whether the cia was assassinating foreign leaders or trying to. they turned up a ton of lurid details to kill foreign leaders including castro in cuba and general schneider in chile. >> we have sufficient corroborating evidence to make it clear, but the cia was involved not only in planning, but in certain cases, also in attempted assassinations. >> before the church committee issued its final report, banning the u.s. government including the cia in engages in assassinations. no employee

the cia largest operation entire history was carried out in. the billions and billions of dollars that have flowed and yet today in two thousand and thirteen afghanistan ranks exactly last so it really indicates one of the corrupting influence. of the cia intervention is head over all of these years and continues to have today they're spending a vast sums of money on the real u.s. military going to be sure overall be over a trillion dollars and we have to be in the united states virtually half nearly forty percent of the population according to the government itself is now in the living in poverty or as low income and the interest of the people have been sacrificed on the altar of militarism well media reports say the ghost money is ending up in the wrong hands even the organized crime what do you make of it go to our web site marty dot com and vote in our site poll that's how we look at the latest results so far that eighty percent say that those monies ending up in their own hands because of bribery to achieve u.s. goals and way down eight pe

from the cia to the d.o.d. do you think he still sees that as a valuable move now that he is the one in charge of the cia? >> well, it is an interesting question. he was in some ways the driving force behind this idea. i suspect this was something that president obama was comfortable with. wanted to do. but internally, within the intelligence community and in the white house, this was john brennan's baby moving the drone program to the military from the cia. now he has a different set of responsibilities and the question that you raise is a good one. does he have different institutional loyalties now that he is head of the cia. this was a program that is quite popular among the rank and file inside the agency. it is sort of a paradox that the drone program has in some ways given the cia its highest profile in the war on terror, although it is a program that they maintain covert and don't want to talk about. so the question is, do they want to give up their toys. and you know, at the higher levels, my understand

taliban financing and the opium trade president karzai heading released within hours and the cia then helped persuade the obama administration to back off its anti-corruption push possibly because they didn't want the cia connection discovered in the alleged corruption scheme because that would be a story of a dog chasing its tail in washington. america's money of course comes from what is the world's biggest defense budget and he will come to read should beckett told me as long as it continues to swell as well the more americans will fall into poverty. it's really amazing when you look at the cia operations in afghanistan which really began that in two thousand and one million nine hundred seventy nine nine hundred eighty s. the cia largest apparition and it's entirely history was carried out in afghanistan and the billions and billions of dollars that have flowed and yet today in two thousand and thirteen afghanistan ranks exactly last so it really indicates the corrupting influence that the cia intervention is headed over all of these years and continues to have today and they're s

that is miflt yaik number one. >> fbi the case. >> then, cia, cia dropped the ball because some agent misspelled a last time of big brother terrorist. those 2004 huge, stupid mistake autos yes. yes. >> she just called you huge and stupid. >> no. i never met her before. i already don't like her. >> no. no.. >> give it time. >> yes. >> the fact the russians didn't return their call has nothing to do with anything. >> they that is why they closed the case. >> no. they went up to the line saying what they're allowed to do, then drks not find evidence support further carrying out this case and owe keeping the file open. they shut it and reported back to russians well we don't have anything. >> this is going nowhere. i know this will make it nowhere. here is the thing. are there just too many people on terror lists? >> that was going to be my question for you. big stupid man. is there something to be said that there is too much information? it's run by human beings they've got their fingers in a bunch of different holes. maybe there is just too much. and that is why this slipped through cra

the russians then go to the cia. the cia says we want this guy added to the terror watch list, which doesn't happen. although he's on other databases. he then goes to a location in russia that is a hot bed for islamic extremism, comes home and starts posting videos on the web of a radicalizer, a radical -- a person who is known to make bombs and kill people. when you think about that, how were the dots not connected? >> yeah, well, when you string that all together, it's obvious that dots were connected. i want to be absolutely certain, i am not stating or confirming about the conversations with the cia. we haven't got that far yet. i can confirm to you that the russians did once in the spring send the communication to u.s. authorities and again in the fall essentially the same information. they were asked to expand on that. they were asked for the factual basis for it. and that wasn't forthcoming. i'm sure not because they were hiding it but for the same reasons we do things here and that is there are thousands of p

it's really amazing when you look at the cia operations in afghanistan which really began that in two thousand and one million nine hundred seventy nine and the one nine hundred eighty s. the cia largest operation and entire history was carried out in afghanistan and the billions and billions of dollars that have flowed and yet today in two thousand and thirteen afghanistan ranked exactly last so it really indicates what about the corrupting influence that the cia interventionists head over all of these years and continues to have today and they're spending a vast sums of money the real the us military budget this year overall be over a trillion dollars and yet we have faith in the united states virtually half nearly forty percent of the population according to the government itself is now either living in poverty or as low income and the interest of the people have been sacrificed and the altar of militarism. well media reports say this ghost of money work has been ending up in the wrong hands even in the hands of organized criminals in kabul what do you think of the situation your s

at least four state department and cia career employees have sought counsel from private attorneys to represent them in the face of white house threats to prevent them from divulging classified and permission to congress about the events in benghazi. the prospective whistle-blowers' appeared to have considerable knowledge of what did and did not happen during the nearly eight hours see on our consulate and the cia and acts. apparently the obama administration is concerned their views don't support the so-called official account of events. former justice department official and republican counsel to the house intelligence committee says the state department threats are a violation of law. representing the state department employees. she talked with fox news earlier today. here is what she said. >> state department is violating the law. interfering with the federal employees' right to provide information to congress which should not ever be interfered with. here is the threat. it is now like prayer going to wag your head off. hell, if you talk i just don't think you're going to get that

taxpayers money but the officials say that the secret cash to fuel corruption in the country the cia apparently delivers the cash every month in suitcases backpacks and plastic shopping bags. much of the money goes to paying off more lords and politicians many of whom have ties to the drug trade and in some cases the taliban the result. appears to be that the agency empowers the same networks that american diplomats online foresman agents say they're trying to hold president karzai was asked about the ghost money you. get he basically dismissed the payments as no big deal saying those are monthly small amounts used for various purposes as the cia declines to comment and other u.s. official has been quoted as saying the biggest source of corruption in afghanistan was the united states afghan officials quoted in this new york times were poured said a number of senior officials in the afghan national security council are individually on the cia's payroll there was an interesting story with the administrative chief counsel mohamed. ali he was arrested in two thousand and ten in connectio

and the focus seems to be on what did the fbi or cia do. i would be very curious to see if he was a threat to the russians, what did they do with him while he was on their turf? >> stay with me. i want to bring in paul wolfowitz, former defense secretary and former president of the world bank. paul wolfowitz, after 9/11, and you were in the administration then, we were all assured that there would never be a kind of collective failure of intelligence again on a terrorist operation, in the sense that if the cia and the fbi had had independent information, they would be able to collect this and stop any breakdown of collective intelligence in that way. have we seen exactly the same thing happen again here? >> piers, i don't think anyone that i know of was foolish enough to give that sort of assurance. i think what people did feel had been done was to substantially reduce the barriers to information sharing which had in fact left some important information, particularly that the fbi had i think in minneapolis, unconnected to other information,

to take over the responsibility, move it out of the cia? >> he's hinted he wants to move some of the paramilitary functions out of the cia to the pentagon. there are reports there are proposals floated to do that. i personally believe the cia will not give it up entirely, that they will take key aspects of the drone war, this is something that probably takes months or even years as opposed to a short period of time. >> the book entitled "the way of the knife." the subtitle, the cia, a secret army and a war at the ends of the earth. mark, thanks for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >>> stay here, meet the newest member of the cnn family, the world renowned chef, anthony bourdain is here in "the situation room." he will preview his brand new show which debuts sunday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern. lost a few months back. hi. i got a call today that you guys found my suitcase. we don't have it. you don't even know my name. [ sniffs ] are you wearing my sweater? [ male announcer ] good thing she hasn't noticed his pants. ♪ gain fireworks boos

it's really amazing when you look at the cia operations in afghanistan which really began that in two thousand and one of the one hundred seventy nine in the late eighty's the cia the largest operation in entire history was carried out in america is there and the billions and billions of dollars that have flowed and yet today in two thousand and thirteen afghanistan ranked exactly last so it really indicates what about the corrupting influence that the cia interventionists head over all of these years and continues to have today and the spending over various sums of money the real the us military budget this year overall be over a trillion dollars and yet we have today in the united states virtually half nearly forty percent of the population according to the government itself is now in the living in poverty or as low income and the interest of the people and sacrificed on the altar of militarism now the united states takes action to ease the alarming situation is developing at guantanamo bay extra doctors are being sent to the camp for detainees are on a hunger strike but the human r

of the cia interventions head over all these years and continues have today there. are various sums of money real to the us military budget this year overall be over a trillion dollars we have today in the united states virtually here nearly forty percent of the population according to the government itself is now in the live in poverty or is lower income or the interest of the people have been sacrificed on the altar of militarism. now media reports suggest most of those greenbacks are falling into the wrong hands in afghanistan raising questions over obama's claims that the money is vital aid to rebuild the war torn country it's a controversial issue and we want to know what you think about where the funds are really going so we're asking our website r t to calm the answers we gathered so far let's now take a look so more than half of those who voted think it's just bribery to achieve u.s. goals that's fifty eight percent and a little more than a quarter seen as a multi-purpose assistance which helps afghans and eleven percent of those who voted to spend the cash

expanded, the cia station has expanded, and that wing is, you know, is cia operations. when you look at it, you wonder, i mean, this building that's going on, it sort of seems like there's going to be this long term american presence. large american presence in pack stapp, but i wonder, after 2014, the draw down in afghanistan, whether we will have built buildings for the presence that's not going to be there after 2014. >> charles in lawton, oklahoma, good afternoon, please, go ahead. >> caller: good afternoon. this is interesting stuff, mr. mazzetti. i've gone operations, targeting in the military, but one thing that came out recently, which i find disturbing is that we're using templates in order to authorize joan strikes if you talk to the use of templates on the drone strikes, please? >> so i'm not sure what you mean by templates, but i know you're trying to -- work out, basically, the rules for -- it's interesting that so late in the game we're trying to work out the exact rules of who can be hit, where they are hilt, and this is the sort of rules that's described

we don't know what the cia told the fbi. but two warnings from russian intelligence, you don't ignore. the fsb, the svr, two main russian intelligence services, don't like the united states. they don't provide tactical intelligence. and when they do, you had better listen. this is not a case of politicized intelligence, which would have occurred if it was a chechen leader living in the united states. there are a couple or one in the gulf. yes, they do try to frame them. but simply a man of 26 years old, they had something firm in order to come to the united states. and that was ignored by the system. and we do need congressional hearings, because we should have gotten over this after 9/11. the stove piping has gone on. there is an inability to have a unified database that people are actually looking at this and are forced to act when a red flag goes up, like going back to dagestan, going back to the front. >> right. mitch silva, if you take the basic facts we now know and this is monday morning quarterbacking, i know. but th

person who the white house know of myths they wrongly accused so for all twelve techniques from the cia torture manual kicking beatings with a cold up prolonged stress positions confinement in the books nudity. exposures to freezing temperatures sleep deprivation over seven days a time. to link threats of ill treatment forced shaving starvation and also building he's now also brain damaged he called recognize his mother's face but the pentagon photo is good it takes tool to support his just ten seconds to say waterboarding is both medieval and produces unreliable info everything completely goes on you when you read the water. you can't think about anything else in these amateur waterboarding in the media they're not even getting near where waterboarding starts they're just getting a little water in their sinuses it's when the water starts to push down and you start to gasp for air and when you take that gas. that's when it overrides you your epiglottis will start pouring into your lungs and you start feeling it right about here and that's when you start to panic and you start to struggl

, not just the fbi but the cia about tamerlan tsarnaev. all kinds of alarm bells in the u.s. government about tsarnaev and his trip overseas. let's bring in our panel about this investigation back in washington, steve hayes. senior writer for "the weekly standard." and syndicated columnist charles. steve, it seems like every day there's something. today was a big development that led our show. >> yeah, it certainly was. i think you actually in the intro there basically highlighted both of the big developments of the day. the number one development obviously is that the cia was notified by the russian fsb, the russian security services, after the russians went to the fbi, the fbi reported back to the russians that they didn't find anything, and then the russians basically took the file to the cia and said, hey, we want you to have a look which suggests that the russians were frustrated that they hadn't found anything. now the fbi will say, look, we went back to the russians, we asked them for more information and they didn't provide it, but

first the fbi, and then the cia cleared him. the cia recommended him for inclusion in a terrorism related database, which he was. he was not, however, put on a no fly list. he had at least one influence here at home in cambridge, a shadowy figure known as misha. it's the russian nickname for michael. brian todd has been working that angle. he joins us now. i've heard a lot about it in the last 24 hours about it. what do we know about him, and do you buy his influence? >> we have an indication that he exists. it's not that clear that he does it's from a former brother-in-law that wolf blitzer spoke to today. he said he met this person twice, he was introduced to him. he witnessed some of the conversations. he says he didn't witness him, quote, radicalizing tamerlan but he did say that he saw him speaking to him about things that could maybe turn him in that direction. he said, he's not suspected that this guy had any terrorist leanings but he saw him, he spoke to him and he met him. that's about the most tangible evidence that we

first the fbi, and then the cia cleared him. the cia recommended him for inclusion in a terrorism related database, which he was he was not put on the no fly list. he had at least one influence here at home in cambridge, a shadowy figure known as misha. it's the russian nickname for michael. i've heard a lbout it in the last 24 hours. what do we know about him, and do you buy his influence? >> we have an indication that he exists. it's not that clear that he does it's from a former broth brother-in-law that wolf blitzer spoke to today. he said he met this person twice, he was introduced to him. he witnessed some of the conversations. he saw him speaking to him about possibly turning him in the direction of radicalization. he spoke to him twice, he met him. that's about the most tangible evidence that we have that exists. >> i saw that interview, the brother-in-law admits he has not seen tamerlan in the last two years, but he's talked to his father, and his father had expressed some concern about this guy? >> that's right. at one

the payments as no big deal saying those are monthly small amounts used for various purposes as the cia declines to comment another u.s. official is be quoted as saying the biggest source of corruption in afghanistan was the united states afghan officials quoted in this new york times report said a number of senior officials in the afghan national security council are individually on the cia's payroll there was an interesting story with the administrative mohammad. mr saleh he was arrested in two thousand and ten in connection with the sprawling american led investigation that tied together afghan cash smuggling taliban financing and the opium trade president karzai heading released within hours and the i then helped persuade the obama administration to back off its anti-corruption push possibly because they didn't want the cia connection discovered in the alleged corruption scheme because that would be a story of a dog chasing its tail in washington. well antiwar campaigner richard becker says the billions of dollars that washington has already poured into afghanistan have in no way he

the agency in question actually was the cia the cia has been carried out operations in that region in. hotness is also central asia. and yet chechnya and i want to get into that specifically which is what you just wrote about on boiling frogs. posed but i wanted to also talk about the reaction and of course what you're saying you know it is a lot of questions remain about this case and i just hate to see so many people blood lusty trying to demand that these people's rights are taken away i mean what happened innocent till proven guilty i mean let's see the proof we're the ones who sponsored this spectacle this media spectacle in the military spectacle don't we have the right to see the evidence that they allege they have but let's talk about the the military shut down of boston i mean in the hunt for these two suspects they shut down the city told people not to leave their homes employed thousands of police as well as paramilitary troops with armored tanks in the streets and on top of that israeli police were shipped in to even help with the investigations the bell was all of this me

about the elder brother to the cia, also to the fbi, and this word that the cia wanted to place the elder suspect on a watch list back in 2011. what do you make of it? >> actually, to me sounds fairly routine. the first request of the fbi was a foreign law enforcement cooperation request, which is pretty common. we send them to the fsb, the fsb sends them to the fbi. they wanted them essentially to cover leads, to do an investigation into his background and possible ties on u.s. soil. the request to the cia, which is legally barred from investigations on u.s. soil, was to ask if they had any leads and concerning overseas intelligence. and when you have somebody who is the subject of basically an assessment, is this person instituting a threat either on u.s. soil or russians, gathering information, that's one of the people you would place in tide. and that's the terrorist identities data mart environment. basically the white pages of terrorism. anybody who has ever come up in anything to a certain criteria can go in t.i.d.e. but that's not a watch list. t.i.d.e. doesn't ring any bells. it'

the second went to the cia months later. republican senators john mccain and kelly ayotte want a congressional hearing to determine if vital clues were missed because the agency did not communicate. a former cia operative said the safeguards put in place to protect you and me clearly failed. >> it's systemic, absolutely. no other way to describe it as a failure. immigrations didn't tell the fbi that he was leaving, immigration didn't tell the fbi he was coming back. we don't know what the cia told the fbi. two warnings from russian intelligence you don't ignore. the fsb, fcr, the two main russian intelligence agencies don't like the united states, don't provide technical intelligence, and when they do, you better listen. >> u.s. officials say when the fbi and cia ended their separate investigations, they concluded the older brother posed no threat. russia refused requests for more information. so the big question, did the intelligence community have the information that could have prevented these bombings? former fbi assista

start violently spasming when the senate found tortured to produce no useful intelligence whatsoever cia counterterrorism boss jose rodriguez and his assistant panicked they rushed to an industrial shredder destroying knowing t two tapes of zayn and other victims being brutally pointlessly tortured this e-mail between the cia forces explains the cover up. as jose said the heat from destroying is nothing compared to with the tapes got into public domain they would make us look terrible but instead of prosecuting for destroying evidence a ball more promotes them the woman who got the tapes just got a major promotion to his former job putting her in charge of drones and of the secret programs the cia's teamed up with hollywood to portray that woman in her fifty's as a young mortal who's. been lowden this filth proclaimed true story lawyers to his view is so despicably in fact torture did no help find him or anyone else this senior senators have even official complaints zero dollars thirty direct to kathryn bigelow who also won an oscar for the whole locker where heroic americans help stupid

we call the cia. of course, they are not going to comment on anything. that's what the cia does. very disturbing and i don't think that we should be spending all this blood and treasure on corrupt criminals and if they are accepting bags of millions of dollars of cash. what else could they be well this is the question whether this is the sort of thing cia does. yes it is did. if afghanistan is a place to care about. there was a time we needed to care about afghanistan. then we have to have influence there. you get it however you can get it if you have iran in there bidding on karzai's loyalty, perhaps we have to bid, too. it looks as if one of the problems with this guy is he doesn't stay bought but he certainly didn't stay bought for iran which apparently gave him a great deal of money the same way we did. when it came time for military agreement he signed with us. >> bill: brit, what you are saying is and i know you are being realistic and this is what happens in the world. we have been there more than 10 years now. >> what is your objection? we're too good a country to be invo