much has been said about the battles that margaret thatcher fought. she certainly did not shy from the fight, and that led to arguments, to conflicts, and even to division. what is remarkable, looking back now, is how many of those arguments are no longer arguments at all. no one wants to return to strikes without a ballast. that largeeves industrial companies should be owned by the state. the nuclear deterrent, nato, the special relationship, these are widely accepted as cornerstones of our security and defense policies. we argue, sometimes very passionately, about tax. are arguing for a return of tax rates of 98%. as winston churchill 100, -- once put it, there are some politicians who make the weather, and margaret thatcher was undoubtedly one of them. lobby of thes house of commons, there are four principal statues. lloyd george, who give us the beginnings of the welfare state , winston churchill who gave us victory in war, kevin atlee who gave us the nhs, and margaret thatcher who rescued our country from postwar decline. they say, study hour, co

speaker, to be part of the contents of margaret -- [laughter] -- to be part of the contents of margaret handbag -- margaret 's handbag, what greater apotheosis could one hope for. >> the funeral for former prime minister margaret thatcher will be wednesday in london. we will have coverage from the bbc including commentary and the sights and sounds of the funeral procession for

let's start with margaret thatcher. nile ferguson, as a fellow brit, where does margaret thatcher rank in the pantheon of british prime ministers? >> second only to churchill. he was described as the savior of his nation and i think margaret thatcher was also the savior of her nation. you know, the others on the panel won't know what britain was like in the 1970s, but you and i know, piers, that the country was in an appalling mess. she single-handedly turned that around. she is up there second only to churchill, in my view. >> fareed, rather like churchill, she got kicked out. churchill got kicked out of course after the second world war. british have a way of doing these things. but where does she stand globally, do you think? >> oh, i would agree, i think in some ways, in some ways, she's more consequential than churchill and i don't mean to belittle in any way churchill. but thatcher is the only british prime minister that i can think of who has an "ism" named after her, thatcherism. churchill was a political gadfly

i mean, margaret was competent. margaret enjoyed an argument. she liked someone who would stand up to her and argue a different case, and out of those arguments came policy. yes, there were arguments, but they weren't bitter. they weren't personal. they were generally arguments about policy, and that was the way in which the policy was actually created. it was a great deal to be done. everybody knew what the objectives were. the question was which of the alternatives ways to reach those objectives, and there was some very powerful personalities in cabinet in those days, and they argued very fiercely for their own particular way, and so did margaret. >> she was such a formidable personality. for those of us who were in our young years of reporting and living through her tenure, hearing her speak was her forcefulness, and yet her lady-like manner itch. there's so much more to her behind the scenes, and, yet, weave been deprived of seeing her at all for the better part of a decade. i'm just wondering if you have had a chance in her later years wher

margaret thatcher. not only broke the get a glass ceiling she also proved that it is true today that the evil that a woman does lose after her and the good is often interred to her bones matthew d. one of bones that's correct that that that that it is fair game i don't what i really don't agree with is a little of these how in the world that men and women are today. and we have gone beyond the response of the walking we should want a man's going women today and then on the time we're talking over each other guys they compete on their own bases she she enjoyed a ten to fifteen percentage point your women have matthew matthew perry minister's son of when skilled unskilled workers are like. well i think the problem for women in the top layer is what's still not lead so you can't necessarily how great that show up as a figurehead for women when we're still trying to break through what i call the dense layer of men they are still not very many women at the top there's a lot of women going to work but the pro

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margaret thatcher. not only broke the get a glass ceiling she also proved that is true today that the evil that a woman does lose after her and the good is often interred to her bones matthew d. one of bones that's correct that that that that it is fair game i don't what i really don't agree with is a little of these how in the world that men and women are today. and we have gone beyond the laws of the walking we should want a man's word and women today in the time we're talking over each other guys they compete on their own bases she she enjoyed a ten to fifteen percentage point your women have such as matthew matthew perry minister son of skilled and skilled workers alike. well i i think the problem for women in the top layer is we're still not lad so you can't necessarily hold margaret thatcher up as a figurehead for women when we're still trying to break through what i call the dense layer of men there are still not very many women at the top there's a lot of women going to work but the problem at t

margaret thatcher died at the age of 87 in the u.k. spokesperson for the family says she had a stroke and died peacefully. more coverage throughout the day. >> steve: see you tomorrow. martha: we carry on continuing coverage of this breaking news. just a short time ago it was announced former british prime minister margaret thatcher, who was one of the most consequential leaders in modern history died after suffering a stroke early this morning. a family spokesman said the 87-year-old died peacefully. good morning everybody, a big day and a lot to talk about. i'm martha maccallum. >> i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer in "america's newsroom.". mrs. thatcher was great britain's only woman prime minister. martha: she was known for her tough and uncompromising style. thatcher led great britain out of socialism and revived the independent spirit of her country. she was at the helm more than a decade whether trade unions or terrorist it is was agree with maggie or get out of the way. for that margaret thatcher goes down in history as the

as indeed was margaret thatcher. they would have been strangely bill clinton's change in the democratic party and the vcs tackle the important things like welfare reform had it not been his time in office is it knowledge margaret thatcher had said it had a lot of truth in it and put into effect changes and didn't roll back the changes made to britain. when they met in 1975, they were both between jobs. he had done for two terms heading toward a favorite conservative to become the presidential nominee, but not quite. by rick thatcher had just become the new leader of the opposition, which the conservative party is an old, stuffy, misogynistic old boys network of general major roads were rather sharp to find a strain on who i don't think any of them entertained other. it is a completely due thing. they discovered in a leader of the opposition's office that they had a meeting set between 20 and 30 minutes and they found they were finishing each other send this. this one of those moments where great people come together

bush said about margaret thatcher, margaret was, to be sure, one of the 20th century's fiercest advocates. a leader of rare character who carried high the banner of her convictions and whose princeles in the end helped the free world. and democratic congressional candidate elizabeth colbert-bush saying, when i talk to younger women about their careers, i point to market thatcher as a role model. she's a tough consensus builder who cared about everybody and put her country's fiscal house in order. in short, margaret is a stateswoman and an example for all of us. former prime minister thatcher will receive a ceremonial funeral with military honors. thank you for being with us tonight. well see you all again tomorrow night.

they captured the essence of margaret thatcher, the women and the essence of margaret thatcher the one in and states of men and we are getting off to such a superstar. i wish to be brief, but i like to put on record she was the best boss i ever worked for. as a chief policy advisor in the middle years and then was able to advise is a member of parliament and a junior minister. the private side of margaret thatcher was so different from the public side, yet many people beyond this house remember the woman who was so fierce and conviction. what we saw, who worked with her closely with someone who worked incredibly long hours with energy intelligence because she was so keen to get it right and she took a very wide range of advice when you are working with margaret thatcher and you have an idea and you're putting it to her, not only did she produce the evidence and the facts many times, the cheap new person after person coming to downing street is going to be given as a kind of test and they didn't know they were part of a running focus, that's your idea was they are in front of the gas an

it was not margaret thatcher. margaret thatcher campaign organizer and manager was killed by the m in 1976. so, she was not that effective. that that kind of iron lady stance seemed to work in some sectors, but didn't work so well domestically. that was very difficult for her, i think. >> well, you know, i do think that in retrospect, the unions and the breaking of the unions given the state, don't you think, martin, that the country had been in in the 1970s with the power outages. you know, you couldn't get your dead bodies buried in cemeteries. >> nothing was collected. it was terrible. >> the supporters today would say that the union husband tos broken and she did it. >> ushered in some fairly brutal attacks on the business of journalism through rupert murdoch's work. i remember becoming a journalist professional in 1984 just as that began to happen. she was not very kind to journalists at all. >> well, i'm going to leave it a pause there. shockingly, world leaders being unkind to working press. i am used to th

barack obama is half the taxer that margaret thatcher was, half the socialist that margaret thatcher was. president obama hasn't dare propose a health care program as purely socialistic as margaret thatcher's health care system, the one she supported and bragged about. but republicans call barack obama a socialist as if it is an epithet, and call margaret thatcher a hero. ignorance is the first requirement for republicans adoration of margaret thatcher. sarah palin and most republican presidential candidates would be horrified to discover that margaret thatcher actually believed in evolution. >> i began with charles darwin and his work on the theory of evolution of the origin of species. darwin's voyages were among the high points of scientific discovery. the beliefs of darwin's era should help to see us through, the belief in reason and the scientific method. >> every elected republican in washington would refuse to applaud if they heard margaret thatcher say this. >> it is mankind and his activities which are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways. th

and margaret told president reagan. she said you know, ronnie, this is notification, it's not consultation. so she was a little bit disappointed about that. but the fact of the matter is, they saw eye to eye on just about everything else. in fact, i can't think of one other example where there was ever any difference between them. where there was ever any space between them. they were, they spoke for each other often. oftentimes president reagan would, would ask prime minister thatcher to speak for the united states and the united kingdom and their relationship was really seamless. >> and you know, they were the economic side and also the geopolitical side. you were involved in both. let's talk first about mikhail gorbachev. when she first came out and said, i can do business with him. how influential was that? because at the time we had no communication, there hadn't been a summit. and we were just evaluating this new soviet leader. >> i think it was very important. for one thing, it enabled, when she said, this is a m

more on the death of margaret thatcher. bernie goldberg has some thoughts about how she was treated by the u.s. press. those re >> bill: unresolved problem segment tonight. as we just heard this is a movement in america to shut down free speech. that pressure is coming primarily from the left which is framing any criticism of liberal policies as civil rights violations. joining us now from washington juan williams and mary katharineham. both fox news analysts. what do you think about this george washington deal, juan? >> well, i just think it's outrageous. you can't tell somebody who is catholic not to be catholic is what i think. the guy is a priest. it's not even that he is simply a member of the congregation and has a different point of view than the rest of the student body. it's that he is a priest. so he is going to represent catholic orthodoxy on campus. now, if it's the case, bill, that the university has an antidiscrimination policy and that they have something to say about the fact that he is condemning homosexual

margaret thatcher was 87 years old. >> woodruff: and we have much more about margaret thatcher coming up, including her interview with macneil and lehrer; plus, secretaries baker and schultz on her legacy today. also ahead, how states are tackling guns, and new efforts to protect the berlin wall. but first, the other news of the day. here's hari sreenivasan. >> sreenivasan: a suicide bomber in syria blew up his car in damascus today, killing at least 15 people. it happened in the city's financial district. rescue workers searched the smoking wreckage for survivors. the state news agency said the blast wounded 146 people. other reports had that number at 53. the body of an american diplomat killed in afghanistan was flown back to dover air force base in delaware today for a private ceremony. 25-year-old anne smedinghoff was one of five americans who died in a suicide bombing on saturday. the group was delivering textbooks to school children in the southern city of zabul. the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. north korea has cut its last major ties to the south, suspending

to cross-talk margaret thatcher's legacy i'm joined by matthew melky or in washington he is a fellow at the competitive enterprise institute and a regular contributor to open market dot org also in washington we have clifford these he is a professor of economics and finance and shenandoah university and in london we crossed the felicity gary she is an international criminal barrister and media commentator on cross talk rules in effect i mean you can jump any time you want felicity what is the lasting legacy of her she's buried today well to me that she's a terrible disappointment that she had great power. great responsibility i think that might be a quote from spiderman but it's not funny that we're now suffering the like to say of her policies decades ago that cripple the country ok matthew jump in agree or disagree with that. i'm going to have to disagree with that peter and i figured you were actually was a revolutionary both on the right. she was a revolutionary figure in politics on both the right and the left she had the courage to stand up to this keynesian consensus that it d

we know margaret -- thanks for being with us. we know margaret thatcher was in power at the end of the cold war, when divisions were eating -- ending in europe. she distanced herself from germany. how do germans view her? >> the tone in berlin has been very respectful. her sometimes add ms. terry -- her sometimes adversary helmut kohl described her as a wonderful woman and a great prime minister. he praised her as an early supporter of appeasement -- peace movement in eastern europe, which is interesting. while she backed mikhail coro child -- macau gorbachev, she was extremely -- mikhail gorbachev, she was extremely skeptical about unification. a lot of germans remember, particularly, thatcher's combative style, which they never warmed to. they did not like the idea of a politician who try to assert her vision and ideology, undermining or revolutionizing the whole economic basis of communities -- that's not the sort of thing german politicians would attempt. they did not like her approach on europe, moving, it seemed, britain aw

breaking news, former establish prime minister margaret thatcher has died after suffering a stroke. thatcher dominated british politics for two decades after being elected in 1979. we're joined now by cnbc's scott cohn from london and mark bashir. let's begin with you, scott. as the details come in right now, how are britains reacting? how sudden of a development was this? >> well, mrs. thatcher was 87 years old and had been in poor health for a number of years, richard. nonetheless, this is a chance now to reflect on her legacy. you know, she could be and is was in many ways a device itch figure, considering what she was taking on coming in following the wrenching inflation of the 1970s. she took on the country's labor unions, privatized industries. but former prime minister gordon brown saying this morning that even though who disagreed with her understood the strength of her convictions. and the current prime minister, david cameron, cutting short a trip to europe to come back here reflected this morning on the pivotal role that mrs. thatcher played in this country's history. >>

more on the death of margaret thatcher. bernie goldberg has some thoughts about how she was treated by the u.s. press. those reports after these messages. it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from, it only matters that it shows up and makes things better. in that spirit, verizon is proud to announce the powerful answers award. 10 million dollars in prizes for the best ideas. ideas so big, they have the power to change everything. whether it's our inspiration, or yours, the world's biggest challenges deserve even bigger solutions. the powerful answers award from verizon. >> bill: unresolved problem segment tonight. as we just heard this is a movement in america to shut down free speech. that pressure is coming primarily from the left which is framing any criticism of liberal policies as civil rights violations. joining us now from washington juan williams and mary katharineham. both fox news analysts. what do you think about this george washington deal, juan? >> well, i just think it's outrageous. you can't tell somebod

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thatcher margaret thatcher secured a rebate from the e.u. she got some of our money back from brussels ok let me ask you this the british prime minister said insult the support of the e.u. within the u.k. is a way for thing do you think that britain will see britain exiting the block in the near future. i think so because other e.u. countries are not predisposed to want to give powers back to the u.k. they don't want special opt outs for britain they don't want the central a you institutions to hand back powers from the e.u. to the democratic column and in westminster he actually david cameron has actually few friends in europe that are willing to listen to him chancellor merkel in germany does not want to take part in his balance of competencies view which is a british government looking about what powers whitely or wrongly belong to the european union the judger they just don't want to support that home and found her said that a renegotiation is not going to be possible because that's all i would love to continue this conversation with you

pure preparations are underway for margaret thatcher. -- funeral preparations are underway for margaret thatcher. a gun and has killed 13 people, including six women and a 2- year-old child. he then shot and wounded himself and his wife in a village just south of belgrade. six women and two children are among the victims. you're is this report. bewilderment in equal measure as the residents of this quiet community try to come to terms with what happened. police cordoned off the village as they tried to make sense of the events that shattered the dawn here. the 60-year-old suspect was an army veteran who fought in croatia in the 1990's. he had apparently recently lost his job, but what prompted the rampages unclear. this neighbor showed a photograph, which she said contains eight victims. it was a tight knit hamlet. reports fromthe the man first shot his own son and then went house-to-house shooting the other victims, most while they slept, 182-year-old, all reportedly relatives or -- allwas a two-year old, reportedly relatives or neighbors the reaction has been one of disbelief. for the

the drama of the end of margaret thatcher and the lingering reaction to margaret thatcher's fall were one of the things that adds to the story. when eventually told. because no doubt that margaret thatcher is one of two or three dominant british politicians of this century. >> the idea of getting rid of nuclear weapons was not popular, at least when we came home. and our mutual friend margaret thatcher came and you know there is a verb in the british language, you remember she carried that hard handbag. you can get a handbag and i got handbagged. but maybe now the reaction is different. maybe this is an ia whose ti has come. >> but-- you sure henry. >> to actually quote her. she said one more regular guy will not survive. >> rose: was thatcherism con compassionate. >> i mean margaret thatcher her self was a compassionate person. she recognized the country needed some very significant and deep changes. some of the things, some of the changes she made were very difficult getting inflation down, getting taxes down, privatizing industries, getting the unions under control. ese quired ve t

today leaders from around the world remembers former british prime minister margaret thatcher. she died today of a stroke. >> she was 87 years old. britain's first female prime minister. we've got a lot more on this life and her legacy coming up. >>> and in syria, a massive car bomb tore through damascus killing at least 15 people and injuring dozens more. the bomb went off in an area near one of the biggest public squares in the syrian capitol. now, the square surrounded by state buildings including the central bank of syria. >> syria's state television says it's believed the explosion was setoff by a suicide bomber. syria's civil war has been going on two years now. more than 70,000 people have died. let's take you to israel. there is a push-on today to make kick start peace talks between israel and palestinians. secretary of state john kerry the one doing the pushing. >> he is in the middle east and he's already met with palestinian president mahmoud abbas. he made a stop in turkey talking to allies about staying on a path of better relations with israel. >>> margaret thatch

margaret thatcher has died. of course the prime minister in england, in great britain, 1979 to 1990. she led a conservative government for that time. she was a fierce ally of the united states. a great friend to ronald reagan and controversial for some in britain with austerity measures, she battled the unions there. she also led that nation in the falkland war against arrest aga argentina. solidified support within that condition. >> she escaped an ira terrorist bombing at her hotel and she went on eventually to see peace, at that time unthinkable. so she saw a lot of changes over her life time. including 2002, she retired from public life after a series of small strokes and she's been really very private since then. her daughter confirmed in 2008 that she was suffering from dementia, but clearly a woman whose public image was very -- iron lady. >> you say talk about the changes she saw, how about this, she was the first and only so far woman prime minister of britain. and she led that country again through dif

margaret thatcher did not change history, margaret thatcher bent history in every way. she was a trailblazer for women, of course, but, also, she took over a dead party in 1975. the conservatives were really about as weak as could be. over the next four years, this shopkeeper's daughter, who was excluded not only from the men's club, but also excluded from the elite circles in great britain. she led a revolution. it could only be called a revolution and in four years authorities took control of ten downing street. she led for over a decade and she saved great britain's economy. it is strange when you go to great britain, you still don't see that this great woman, you don't see the recognition. but steve ratner, you actually worked for "the new york times" in the early '80s and some of her more tumultous years and without her leader great britain would be france today economically. >> at best. when you say she took over a dead party, she took over a dead country in a lot of ways. britain was still suffering even then from the after effects of world war ii. a poor country

margaret thatcher defined leadership. et al. she divided the country. -- at home she divided the country. held by some as a postwar savior and condemned by others as a curse. flowers began to be left outside her london home after the news broke at lunchtime that she died at the age of 87, following a stroke. flags were lowered to half mast, this is the passing of no ordinary politician. friend spoke not just of their great sadness but of their real shock, even after years of serious illness. >> i got the call this morning. they asked me to put a statement out confirming it to the world. that is what i did. >> the former prime minister died here at the london ritz hotel where she lives since christmas. barriers have been erected to give her privacy at the start of what may be her final journal -- journey through she flew home from an official trip to madrid and canceled a trip to paris. tonight he paid tribute to a woman he said had not just led the country but had saved it. >> for many of us, she was and is an inspiration. for o

saying ronny and margaret was political soul mates. margaret had the clear vision of strong determination to stand up for her beliefs. we will remember margaret thatcher known as the iron lady of british politics, a title she received from the soviet press after a speech after the world war. a quote from the former prime minster, anyone who understand the problems of running a home will be near to understanding the problems of running a country. next prime minster thatcher answers questions in the telecast of british prime minster question in 1989. >> mr. speaker, this new parliament session, this start of new decade, the 1970. when socialism meant we had to be treated by a third world country. the 1980s have been the decades when britain regained her pride. that's why over the latest three years, we're seeing a 40% increase in business investment and unprecedented advance. that's why industries like steel, newspapers and docks were barely adequate in 1960s. that's why this country has been getting the lion share of overseas investment

>> final farewell to margaret thatcher. people gather in st. paul's cathedral for a final goodbye to britain oppose the only female prime minister. assome did turn their backs it made its way. on the whole, this ceremonial funeral for margaret thatcher has been peaceful and respectful. hello. this is al jazeera, live from in doha. also ahead, glass in bengaluru. -- blasts. in the's main opposition party has been targeted. anthony nicolas checque on the boston bombing. the mpia reveals photographs on an explosive device that they say involves kitchen pressure cookers. 0-- the fbi reveals photographs. the funeral for margaret thatcher has just ended in london. her body lay overnight in parliament. the procession traveled through central london to st. paul's cathedral. large crowds gathered along the route. 4000 police officers were on duty. a funeral service with military honors was held in st. paul's cathedral. world leaders were among 2300 guests. current prime minister david cameron and tyler the queen were there. the second time the queen has

do you have a comment on margaret thatcher? it seems to me that america could use another ronald reagan, another margaret thatcher right now. >> absolutely. i actually played cricket for the tory party so i'm very sad today and my team members, my fellow cricketers are very sad. she was clearly the only anti-socialist for many being many years since the war and she rolled back the state and that's what you need in america and what is needed in europe is rolling back the state. the state controls everything. and she rolled the state. and the minute she left power, she put the state back in place and that was -- she stopped britain's decline for at least a decade maybe 15 years responsible for turning the u.k. around as reagan turned america around. stuart: did you see any politician of prominence on the horizon today who could do the same thing? >> no, i'm afraid i don't. stuart: either in britain or in the united states, you can't see it? >> no, no, i don't see anybody like that. i don't see anybody that's prepared to run again

margaret thatcher. not only broke the get a glass ceiling she also proved that is true today that the evil that a woman does lose after her and the good is often interred to her bones matthew when her bones that's correct that that that that it is fair game i don't what i really don't agree with is a little of these how in the world that men and women are today. and we have gone beyond the time it was of the walking we should one of many of them were women today in time talking over each other guys they compete on their own bases she she enjoyed a ten to fifteen percentage point your women have matthew matthew perry minister son of and skilled and skilled workers alike. well i think the problem for women in the top layer is with still not less so you can't necessarily how great that show up as a figurehead for women when we're still trying to break through what i call the dense layer of men there are still not very many women at the top there's a lot of women going to work but the problem that the manag

their daughter jenna bush hager gave birth last night to margaret laura hager. we're told both mother and daughter are doing fine. and we close tonight with a story of rebirth and renewal. when a downed power line ignited a wildfire in texas two years ago, it turned into the worst the state had ever seen. now nearly two years later, anna werner shows us the small signs of life and hope taking root. >> these charred trunks are all that is left of the state park's pine forest. in 2011 the drought helped fuel the largest fire in texas history here. it guess troyed nearly everything. mike fisher is the emergency manager. >> this was all black. >> moonscape, yeah. just awful. >> fisher is a former fire chief. he lead the firefighters battling the flames. the fire scorched 35,000 acres and destroyed 1600 homes. it clogged the colorado river with debris and drove out wildlife. >> what would it mean to you if this was lost? >> i don't want to think about that. it's not an option. >> because? >> because we are going to put it back. >> he's now leading an army of voluntee

bare necessary margaret thatcher was 87. in washington james rosen, fox news. >> bret: senior political analyst brit hume covered presidents who dealt with thatcher. he joins us tonight with some thoughts. good evening brit. >> good evening, bret. she is recognized for the stead fastness that made her known as the iron lady. she showed that in her years of grin prime ministership and doubts arose about the conservative economic policies she had administered in strong doses to the ailing british economy. she never wavered. and she showed it again in waging war against argentina over possession of the falkland islands. what is less widely acknowledged is that margaret thatcher was very smart and her policies were precisely what britain needed to revive a nation that was regarded then as the proverbial sick man of europe. under her, private business flourished anew in britain and london reclaimed its lost place as a center of world finance. though an unrelenting faux of socialism, thatcher quickly saw soviet leader gorbachev as

what's your favorite margaret thatcher. >> if you want something said, ask a man. if you want something done, ask a woman. >> i don't win either way. >> margaret thatcher wants you to do something with two dresses. >> she said always take two dresses to an interview and i said why? she said your first dress might clash. andy do you have another tie? >> i don't. it matches the background perfectly. >> that's why she was prime minister and you're still here. >> we have

so i think you know we have them and margaret thatcher to thank for the fact that we enjoy the freedom to do this kind of thing but i don't think margaret thatcher would have wanted this song banned after all she stood up for freedom she has here i mean as as you say of mystery i mean margaret thatcher herself was a huge advocate of free speech and what do you think she would have made of a she she once famously said of protesters towards her that at least it showed that she had made an impact i mean you can't really argue with that can you oh she said that she actually always took some satisfaction when her opponents attacked her personally and stooped to low vulgar tactics like this because it meant that they had no other or humans left they were reduced to this because she had a actively beaten them in open debate and i'm sure she would have taken exactly the same view about the people buying this song and wanting to promote it in the charts but i'm don't think for a second that she would have wanted the b.b.c. not to play the song but i've ever very very quickly here toby i'm runni

jon: margaret thatcher. tune in tonight, 10 p.m. eastern time, for a very special edition of "on the record" with guest that van susteren, remembering the remarkable live of the british prime minister. jenna: meantime, brand new developments in the north korean crisis that we want to tell you about with the south now backtracking a bit. a top minister there says he misspoke when he told lawmakers the north is preparing for another nuclear test, but he added it doesn't change the fact that the north has a tunnel ready for a nuclear blast. this as north korea is reportedly suspending operations at a factory that's the last major symbol of cooperation with south korea. david piper is streaming live from seoul with more. david? >> reporter: hi, jenna. yes, this is quite a major move. we're talking about 50,000 north korean workers at this complex of many different factories, and the north korean official went there today, and he said they were all pulling out. they owe about $18 million in salary, yes, a lot of hard currency for north k