. >>> joining us now is philip mudd. he's former deputy director of the cia's counterterrorism center and the fbi's security branch. he's now at the new america foundation. his new book is called "take down." mr. mudd, thank you very much for being with us. appreciate your time tonight. >> sure, sure. >> we learned today that fbi agents now have reportedly the laptop in their own hands. it seems to me like if you're looking for trying to connect the -- this crime to a motive or any sort of larger organization out there in the world, the laptop might be critically important. does it seem like an important break to you? >> it's not might be critical, it will be critical. the first question i would have as an intelligence professional is not just what these two guys did, one of whom is dead now. the question is, we cannot shut down this investigation until we determine whether these two spiders were in the middle of a spider web, and believe me, that investigation's going to take time. and a critical piece will be who they

philip mudd? >> i faced this problem for example the classic question of we don't have a domestic intelligence service for the united states. i don't think it's a good idea. i don't think it's a bad idea. it's not necessary. centers in this country. 70 plus police departments in regions like california that are centers to her in say what's our collective view of a problem like gangs or drugs. i happen to work with the fusion centers on that issue. you have the joint terrorism forces within fbi offices bringing police departments together with federal investigators to. to the question of a federal service. that's what the fbi does. except they have the law enforcement prosecutorial function. it's a on i don't think good idea is the reason i don't think it will work. the reason is this -- the grass on the other side problem. ou have in the bureau you can investigate and react together. what you have is you investigate chain of command for intelligence and pass the metropolitan police for prosecution

mudd, former fbi and cia official. funding for charlie rose was provided by the following kohl viii captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: president obama is due to meet with president jinping in california t will be the first summit between the two leaders. earl earlier today china president said he is ready to explore a new type of relationship. one source of increasing tension is cyberespionage. today's "washington post" carried the headline key u.s. weapon designs hacked. officials point finger at china. earlier today white house press secretary jay carney con firm-- confirmed cybersecurity will be on the agenda at summit. joining me david sanger from the "new york times", david martin national security correspondent for cbs news and from memphis, philip mudd, a former deputy director of national security at the fbi an counterterrorist center of the cia. i am pleased to have all of them on this program. let me go to david martin, tell me david,

our guest is philip mudd. he is a former fbi director of national security. 9/11 world did you and others in the intelligence community fathom what would happen on 911? -- on 9-eleven? guest: the people i worked with new that al qaeda was a threat. we have to reflect back with humility. you have to sit back and not defend yourself instead say how could i have done better? i think those of us who looked 11 -- s pre-9- i think we would have had a hard time fathoming that level of operation. eastattacked us in yemen, africa, and a stated publicly they are coming after a period host: you touched on this point earlier, how do we deal with our own civil liberties, the freedom we inherently have in this country, while also protecting the homeland? guest: this was frustrating as a practitioner. you're being told two different things at a time. don'tton we were told why we stop every single 19 year-old knucklehead who wants to plant a bomb? my message as an american first and national security professionals second, the

joining us david sger of "theew york mes", david mart ofcb news and former fbi deputy director philip mudd. >> i think the most important message that its president's probably going to have is that cyberissues, whether it's cybersecurity, cyberespionage, whether or not it's possible to come to some kind of an agreement between the united states and china, how to limit the use of these weapons, that these have moved it from the periphery of the u.s. china relationship where they really were even a year or two ago. and they have now moved to the center. >> rose: we conclude way convertion dow not want to mi it is with siren robinson, not only is he the

and then later, philip mudd will talk about homegrown terrorism. ," live atn journal 7:00 a.m. eastern live on c- span. afghanistantion in in 1978 and 1979 was just how different it was from what we face today. many things are radically different. , leftist no radical or secular parties in afghanistan today. that has all been pretty much wiped out. but in the 1970's, those were the powerful forces in afghanistan. the president for much of the .970's was a secularist he was replaced in 1978 by the afghan communists, who try to remodel society according to their own utopian design. they very quickly ran aground without. the whole country rose up against them. legislators had to come in. what is amazing is the way that that invasion and the almost unending civil war that had by thed, and pounded u.s. intervention in 2001 and after, has completely wiped out that old afghanistan that we saw in the 19's in 1970's. >> revolutionary islam -- a pope visits poland. caryl on the 19th of a nine sunday at 9:00 on afterwards. >> next, a hearing on the justice department and fbi's resources i

philip mudd will talk about homegrown terrorism. washington journal, live at 7:00 eastern on c-span. both chambers of congress are back in session this week as the house returns for a brief session on monday. legislative business will resume on tuesday. among the agenda items, the full repeal of the 2010 health care law and securities and exchange commission with the cost-benefit analysis before implementing new regulations. the senate will be back on monday for morning business only, and no roll call votes are expected. they will continue work on the flood built -- and later on a vote on president obama's choice to -- for medicare and medicaid services. senate, on c-span. on friday, the state department envoy for human-rights in north korea had a special review on north korea that will be presented to the united nations next month and could go to the international criminal court. --ert king spoke at an event and said that north korea is holding between 100,200 thousand political prisoners. this is just over an hour. >> good afterno

later, former fbi deputy director and cia deputy director philip mudd will talk about home-grown terrorism. "washington journal" live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. a lot more-9/11 people care about national security issues and was the case before. and so all of a sudden, there was a market for former cia folks, former defense even theence agents, former national security agency, all of those guys used operating in the shadows. they saw a market for their services as commentators, but raiders. -- book writers. so this was a somewhat uncomfortable interaction between the agencies and the former employees. >> and at the time i felt that waterboarding was something we needed to do. as time passed, and september 11 has moved further back into history, i think i've changed my mind. and i think that waterboarding is probably something we should not be in the business of doing. >> why do say that now? >> because we are better than that. >> this is a guy who i think by all accounts meant well. he served his country well by most accounts for 15 years and some very dangerous situations, who risked