this is where newt gingrich comes in. i'll give him credit for this much, he recognized before just about anybody else in congress the potential significance of that special cable television channel, the special significance of having a channel devoted to showing everything happening on the house floor, without any commentary, without any interruption. gingrich was a total outsider back then. he was an irritant to republican leaders. an oddity, a nuisance. congress was a very different place. politics were very different. there were real authentic moderate republicans and liberal republicans. there were lots of them. gingrich took charge of a small band of conservative back benchers, and their mission was ideological, but also tactical. no more compromising with democrats. no more working with democrats, no more saying nice things about democrats. just open partisan warfare. so it was their vision and a vision that resonated powerfully with the conservative grassroots. and c-span was integral to the gingrich game plan. ho

and gingrich says there probably wouldn't have been then, without the shutdown. but much of the country was frustrated and angry.and blamed the republican party.sohow do americans see things today? [[take poll fullscreen]] a new pew research poll looked at who americans would blame should the government shut down: 39 percent would blame republicans and 36 percent would blame the obama administration. in 1995, the gap was wider with 46 percent blaming republicans and just 27 percent blaming president clinton. stand-up k frazao some shutdown enthusiasts say if the government isn't running it's not wasting money. perhaps the most overwhelming result so far is the shift in focus, once again to how taxpayer dollars are spent. david williams taxpayers protection alliance " it's a good time for congress and people to focus on what do we really need to spend money on. what is a priority in this country and what isn't a priority? " as far as what's decided, that will no doubt be left to the 11th hour...a sign that in washington, some things never change. i'm kristine fraz

. >> well, newt gingrich's relationship with the base and newt gingrich's relationship with the republican members of the house is very different than john boehner's. john boehner is subservient to his members when it came down in 1995 wasn't. the problem is when boehner says he has a plan his members are happy with, i question that. because you have two -- basically, he's decided they're going to try to get this resolution through with 218 republican votes. he's decided we're not going to get a single democratic vote. two sources of pressure now within the republican party. the first is the true believer, hard right tea party types like justin amash from michigan. >> we're coming to him later. >> mike fitzpatrick, more of a moderate from the suburbs of philly says he can't support it either. he's looking from the position of the general election. he doesn't want to be associated with a republican instigated shutdown of the government. if you lose a few votes over here and a few votes over here and only have about 12 to spare to begin with, you're good to have a hard time to get a two-way

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newt gingrich joining us. with a show of hands what we heard so far, show of hands people are confident the plan is in place, intelligence in place, the best option how to help the people in syria is to bomb. show of hands. all right. let's continue with the conversation and get a question, natta? you have a question? >> yes, we established this is about international norms and the use of chemical weapons. they used phosphorus in iraq, are we the ones to take the high road and what is the end gain? >> mr. gingrich? let's bring you in, newt, from the perspective. you heard it and how do you think the white house handled it? >> i'm opposed to this campaign for the purpose for the point she made. 100,000 people killed in syria so far. we've had lots of children killed. these are tragedies. we've also had tragedies around the world in row wanda, west africa, i don't agree with the president's comment in sweden the other day we're the world's 911. i think we ought to be very careful about the projects we under take

eric wrote, everyone knows gingrich is a conservative. that's no disclosure at all. the fact that he may have a cash relationship with guests, that's a disclosure. nothing corrupts like cash. newt gingrich is not a reporter, that's true." crossfire" is not a news show. that's true, too. the employees strive for splens so you, the viewer, should know what gingrich and stephanie cutter and van jones and s.e. cupp are up to, just like you should know what sean hannity is up to. cnn can do better than that, starting by debating its very issue of disclosure on "crossfire." that's itor

let's talk about that with the "crossfire" co-hosts newt gingrich and van jones. talking about bill clinton. he was on abc yesterday. i'm going to play a clip of what he said about this government shutdown. >> they so badly want it to fail. can you remember a time in your lifetime when a major political party was just sitting around begging for america to fail? i don't know what's going to happen but i'll be shocked if it fails. >> he's saying the republicans and you're a republican, newt. you're begging for the country to fail. >> look, bill clinton is being bill clinton. that's totally partisan hyperbole. the republicans believe that the level of debt we're building up, the level of government centralization we're getting is, in fact, a real risk to our future. now, maybe bill clinton doesn't agree with that but i think it's typical of the exaggerated rhetoric on both sides that it can't be an argument over the facts, it has to be an assertion that this group wants america to fail. it's one thing to say they want obama care to fail. it's a big difference to say

eric wrote, everyone knows gingrich is a conservative. that's no disclosure at all. the fact that he may have a cash relationship with guests, that's a disclosure. nothing corrupts like cash. newt gingrich is not a reporter, that's true." crossfire" is not a news show. that's true, too. the employees strive for splens so you, the viewer, should know what gingrich and stephanie cutter and van jones and s.e. cupp are up to, just like you should know what sean hannity is up to. cnn can do better than that, starting by debating its very issue of disclosure on "crossfire." that's it for this edition of "reliable sources." i'll be online after the show so tweet me @brianstelter or use the #reliable. "state of the union with candy crowley" begins right now. >>> closing down the government and rolling out obama care. today, debate, division and deadlines. >> the house republicans are so concerned with appeasing the tea party they've threatened the government shutdown. >> it's the right thing to do to fund the government, avoiding the shutdown, but not to fund obama care. >>

that morning gingrich had been interviewed. he had been to the breck past and belly ached about the fact he had been mistreated when he was -- on the delegation to the funeral in israel. and he was going to close down the government because clinton mistreated him. i was on the same litigation. he comes before the rules committee. bob, i know the speaker was treated very well because he was the only one who got to take his wife on the trip and then i said -- pop flood my head, don't you think the speaker is acting like a crybaby? that was live television, cnn, the next morning. "new york daily news" ran a front page cartoon with gingrich in a diaper and baby bottle. it was downhill from there. it was a colossal mistake on the part of gingrich. the republicans paid for it. i think they that learned something from that. that's why i don't think they will close it down this time. the debt ceiling gets very interesting. >> congressman davis, what's the lesson for republicans from that shutdown in 1995 123. >> one of the problems is

when gingrich was the speaker and they had two government shutdowns. they worked together and newt gingrich would go into the white house with one position and said, you know, when i emerged he had an effect on me. he clearly -- managed to convince him about some critical issues. >> you know what i think? i think bill clinton was a consummate deal maker. s it is interesting talking to him not just about the government shutdown. he went through that. they would throw everybody out of the room and just get stuff done. he talked exact there same way about vladimir putin who he had many dealings with. what was it like when it was you and him? he said, well, behind closed doors, it would get very, very heated. we would go at each other, bang, bang, bang. he said -- asked him directly, did putin ever renege on any deal he agreed one-on-one with you? and he thought and he said, never. i said, you could trust him? if he gave me his word, he never broke it. i thought it was an interesting insight to how putin was. whether it is newt gingrich, putin, whatever it

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the country blames newt gingrich and republicans. and then the following year after the shutdown, that was when bill clinton had to run for re-election. and technically, bill clinton was running for re-election against republican senator bob dole. but really, it kind of felt like clinton was running against congress, against newt gingrich and his republican congress and the shutdown of the congress. bill clinton was reelected in a landslide. now it is a decade and a half later, now we have arrived again in 2008, and a new democratic president. this time the new democratic president was elected by a pretty good margin. and again, his election not only put him in charge at the white house, it brought on a period of full democratic control in washington. democrats controlling the white house and the house and the senate after the 2008 elections. and of course, that is a situation that just doesn't last very long. again, just like it happened last time, this time, president obama in the first mid-term election after he took office, the d

you and newt gingrich eventually worked it out between you. how do you get stuff done with a dysfunctional washington? >> we worked it out when he was trying to run me out of town. wi were still working together. >> and the other side of the story with newt gingrich, what he thinks will happen this time. and next generation of clintons, what chelsea clinton tells me about her future in politics. >> have you ever thought about running for high office? >> well, piers, people have been asking me that for as long as i can remember. >> and as to her mother's plans. is your mom running for president? and game night in the clinton family. who wins? >> thankfully it's a pretty equal distribution. i think otherwise -- >> plus maybe the greatest comeback in sporting history, larry ellison's oracle team usa coming from eight behind. plus a surprising message from someone who knows a thing or two about coming back. >>> the big story, countdown to shut down. many federal agencies may be forced to close down their doors october 1st. the situation not entire

the situation not entirely unfamiliar to newt gingrich. speak ore f the house was shut down and now the co-host of cnn's "crossfire." good to be with you. >> good to see you. >> there i was chewing the fat with bill clinton and inevitably your name came up. i want to play the full quote on what went on between you and he in a that last shutdown. listen to this. >> he knew it when he shoved me out. he was a game man. he thought -- he once said to erskine bowles the difference between us is that we'll do whatever he can and you won't do that. you think there are things you shouldn't do. and once i realize what the deal was, i let him do whatever he could and then we did business on the side. and you're laughing, but that's really -- we reached an accommodation. >> now, mr. speaker, is that how you remember things? >> well, thing we each have our own version, but there are some key things in there that tell you a lot about why the city's a bigger mess right now. when i was speaker, which was an enormous shock because we hadn't had a republica

and here during the gingrich era, had a plaque in his office, a management model. listen, learn, help, and leave. we listen to our colleagues over the course of the last week. a plan they're happy with, we're going forward. >> boehner had a lot more hair back then. >> the end of that thought when he said, we have a plan, they are happy with, that's his way of saying, i don't want to do this plan. know enough to know this is a suicide mission. and a suicide mission we're talking about, just to make it plain for viewers, what's going to happen now is the republican party is going to try to shut down the federal government tomorrow. which is stupid. >> i think it's a disaster and i tell you why. the first victim of this thing is our soldiers all over the world, both here and afghanistan and everywhere else. they're not going to get paid. now, can you imagine, you ask a young man or now a young woman to go into combat, risk their life with their family here at home and nobody is getting paid? they're getting an i ow. >> the republicanned will be blamed. >> they always

this was my first time. >> gingrich's age and lack of criminal record caught the attention of monica foster, an indianapolis attorney who has taken on his case pro bono. she is appealing paul's adult sentencing and fighting to keep him in a juvenile facility. >> he has never had a juvenile referral. never a juvenile referral. i've never heard of such a thing. 12 years old, we're going to treat him like an adult with zero juvenile referrals. to treat a 12-year-old as an adult is for the system to say we give up on you. there is nothing that we can do to rehabilitate you. and to me that is selling the justice system so far short. and it is selling a kid like paul so amazingly short. it's just ridiculous. >> monica and paul's mother, nicole gingrich hope to keep paul in a youth facility with programs geared towards his age and developmental needs. but as it stands now, paul will transition to wabash as soon as officials feel he has matured enough to make the move. >> i think that he should be held accountable for the part that he had. in this. and i would suggest counseling, therapy, an

and, yes, john boehner has the same job title that tip o'neil and newt gingrich had, but nobody, nobody believes that john boehner is doing the same job that those guys did. in that nobody believes that john boehner speaks for anyone. when john boehner says republicans should do something, or that republicans are doing something, nobody believes republicans will actually do that thing. in july, he said, hey, republicans have written a farm bill. we're going to pass a farm bill. they did not pass a farm bill. in july, john boehner said, okay, now republicans have written a transportation bill. i'm in charge here. i'm in charge of the republicans in the house. and so now we are going to pass our new republican transportation bill. they did not pass their new republican transportation bill. even earlier this month, john boehner said, republicans do not want to shut down the government. he said, we republicans have drawn up a bill to kick the can down the road and fund the government. we are going to pass our fund the government bill and he brought it up and the republicans did not pass the

then he started working workinga not a moderate, newt gingrich. republican newt gingrich led congress with a democratic presidency, bill clinton. got real reform. for example, welfare reform. >> yeah, he should take a look at that. look at the polls. we have seen the demographics, the popularity has gone down in the last couple of months. in large part, the policies haven't been working. to more precise. we haven't seen a lot of policies. to rick's point a lot of that is congress is striking stuff down. one of the policies that president obama was looking to push through was an infrastructure bill. and that would have created construction jobs. when you look at the most vulnerable demographics of the american workers it's the folks that lost their construction jobs. these are the folks that voted for obama. this would create jobs for them. >> david: even this president will say, he will give lib service to the fact it's the private sector, not the public sector that creates jobs. if you have public sector jobs you get it from somewhere. guess wher

what is the way -- you and newt gingrich eventually worked it out between you? how do you get stuff done in this dysfunctional washington? >> well, we worked it out when he was trying to run me out of town. we were still working together. i mean, i knew it was a -- it was a game to him. he thought, you know, he would -- as he -- look, he once said to erskine bowles the difference is we'll do whatever you can, and you won't do that. you think there are things you shouldn't do. once i realized what the deal was, i let him do whatever he could and we did business on the side. you're laughing, but that's really -- we reached an accommodation. but at the time, because they shut the government down twice and because they wished to hold on to their jobs, the republicans, they wanted to maintain their majority, they believed they had to show up for work and get something done. this reapportionment has created a climate particularly in the house of representatives, but also in some of the states where there's -- they're basically one-party states where they believe that

you and newt gingrich eventually worked it out. how do you get things done? >> we worked it out when he was still trying to run me out of town. >> and to the other side of the story and newt gingrich and what he thinks will happen this time. >>> and what chelsea clinton tells me about her future in politics. have you thought about running for office? >> people have been asking me that question for as long as i can remember. >> and on her mother's plans. and game night in the clinton family. who wins? >> thankfully, it's a pretty equal distribution. >>> plus maybe the greatest come back in american history. oracle team usa comes from behind. and we talk to someone who knows a thing or two about come backs. >>> and if washington can't get along with each other, many agencies will be shut down. mr. speaker, welcome to you. there i was chewing the fat with bill clinton, and inevitably, your name came up. and i want to play you the full quote about what he said went on between you and he in that last shut down. listen to this. >> we worked it out when he was tryin

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newt gingrich and mr. van jones. thank you for being here today. >> good morning. >> good to be here. >> so we heard from senators mccain and graham, and they do care one supposition that i want you two to take on, this is the president's fault. between the red line and the process, he has put us in a bad position where we now have all bad choices. gentlemen, let's start with you. mr. gingrich, is this about the president making mistakes, or is this about a lot of concern in the world over how we perceive, given what happened in iraq? >> well, i think -- i hope the members of congress will take it seriously as what america should be about. this isn't about president obama. this is about america. and what should america be doing, what risks should america be running, what are our goals, and i thought it was very interesting to watch senator mccain and graham, who are both very strong hawks, who came out of the white house and said, you know, now we're reassured this is the beginning of a really big effort. meanwhile,

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or quite a bit younger than me, but i always say joking that there was just one good album, and the gingrich congress had two good years when they tried to cut government spending, but we need, if we're going to actually have limited government in the country, a political party that actually advocates limited government. we have a political party on the democrats that are certainly not shy about advocating for much bigger government, and president obama is very unapologetic in saying that there really are not other sphiewtions in the american life to keep us together besides the big federal government. now, that's, obviously, not true. there are churches. there are community organizations. there are families. the free market is a thing we all do together. that is a vision of government that's embraced by the democratic party. there needs to be something to stand against that. there's the second point. the second thing we need is to continue to have people like rand paul and ted cruz and mike lee and before he came to heritage and continuing out of heritage, jim demint, who fight within the r