kenya has not requested it. however, we understand that variations of kenyan law enforcement are on the ground, working, alongside israeli forces. this westgate mall is owned by an israeli. give me an idea what kind of cooperation is taking place here, as they try to end this standoff taking place, involving kenyan authorities and israeli authorities there in nairobi. >> yeah, the israeli special forces bring unique capabilities and expertise. they have years of experience doing this and they have worked with the kenyans for decades on just these sorts of things. it's not surprising that the israelis are on the ground there and assisting. and of course you've got a lot of israeli business interests in kenya, including this mall. so the israelis will give them capabilities that maybe the kenyans don't have, some plea expertise they don't have. but i think they're an advisory role and i don't think we're seeing israeli special forces in any kind of assault mode yet. >> rick francona, thank you so much for your ins

[gunshots] [sirens] . >> some images of four days of the kenya siege. >> some images the kenya siege. >> some images the kenya siege. >> president obama prepares a give a major speech before the u.n. about the ongoing crisis in syria. >> the deadly standoff in a kenya shopping mall not over. some at home may have played a part in the attack that left dozens dead. >> how a beard m

has a large number of somalia refugees in kenya. do you think that has left kenya more vulnerable. >> i think it has. i think it has. it has been very, very difficult to differentiate between the officials and some of this element that have been hiding, so absolutely, i think it's been something that we have been working on for a while. >> any thought of being less welcoming to them. >> no. i think we have to open our doors, when anybody faces fear of persecution, i don't think this is going to be one of those occasions where we turn around and say, look, we will shut down, we will not do that. >> how closely are the kenyan and u.s. governments working on intelligence and law enforcement side of all of this. >> i think now everybody is -- i think this year, that we deliver and we need to work much more closely with everybody but much more with the us and the uk government. you know the victims came from kenya, the united kingdom and the united states. so. >> so both expwrish american citizens were among the perpetrators? >> yes. >>

god bless kenya. and god bless us all. thank you very much. >> kenya's president uhuru kenyetta dealing with his first major crisis since coming to power in april. the ongoing siege at the westgate mall in the kenyan capital nairobi, where 59 people have been confirmed dead. many more are inside, as well as the hostage takers. uhuru kenyetta called on kenyans to stand courageous and united. he said kenyan security forces were going to try to do everything in their power... >> welcome to al jazeera, i'm del walters, here are the top stories, 59 are dead, 30 hostages inside on day two of the siege at an upscale mall in kenya. there are 175 others injured in the attack on saturday. the some articlian rebel group al-shabab claimed responsibility and say that it is in response to military operations in somalia. typhoon usagi is battling hong kong. officials raised the warning level as the powerful storm approaches. it left two dead, two others are missing when it passed through the philippines in

or the c.i.a. >> why kenya interview. besides the fact that it's a neighbor of somali. >> first of all, kenya is sort of the platform the west has been using against shabaab. there's been various covert action, programs going on based out of kenya. nighting the shabaab. fighting the pirates, the ken yans have been very positive. >> you've got regular shopping for eyeglass shop and clothing and super markets. you have many families. you have people going about their daily business and doing it on the weekends, the most popular time in which to do so, you know, just to prepare yourself for the workweek. >> well, the worst case scenario is a bunch of these kids coming back buying weapons in the yiegts. some place like minneapolis or chicago and going after one of our malls here. they are indefensible. there's nothing you can do about it. >> i find this very alarming. the possibilities here go on and on. >> how can the u.s. -- how can u.s. intelligence be an active par tis paint in being able to thwart koupter terrorism plots

that was in kenya. and today the president -- the office there, has just released a new casualty report. and we're told at least 39 people are dead, 150 more people wounded. and we are now also being told by the state department that some americans are among those wounded. an extremist group with ties to al qaeda has claimed responsibility. and this attack we remind you is not over. gunmen and police are still facing off inside of that mall. >>> now we're continuing our conversation about gun violence in america. a conversation sparked by the shootings in chicago over the last two days that have claimed four lives and left 20 people wounded. a peace march is scheduled there for tonight. and the chicago peace basketball tournament going on there right now, an event that was organized by current and former nba players. let me bring now back don lemon in los angeles. don, just to get the conversation going again, how does chicago violence differ say from other national tragedies? >> you know, i wish i knew

forces as the as they had then where and of course kenya and kenya is particularly active of course in the area of southern somalia where al shabaab is trying to maintain its support and indeed kicked about to conspire the main port and half of the main source of their revenue but i think we have to look at this in two ways first fold as a somali issue going on here and then there's an international issue if you look at the statement made by al shabaab of about the westgate attack one thing was kenyans you better get out of somalia or else you'll face more than this and the second thing was the international community here but assume stop supporting the kenyans and supporting the others in fighting in in somalia so there's a sort of transition there from a local issue to an international issue and stephen made a very good point about the unpopularity of al shabaab and the divisions in al shabaab which of course led to a great deal of bloodletting in recent weeks and months within al shabaab ok kelly but it will last twelve years again we go back to ninety ninety one when we are conside

citizens in kenya. one note, it is hard to believe that the operation to end the siege, which the kenyan authorities say is under way, will not be completed without further bloodshed. sources say it will be unwise to end the siege until, with listening devices and infrared cameras, those wishing to end it know where every single terrorist and hostage is exactly in the mall. harris? >> you know, a couple of things from what you just said, paul. first of all, i can confirm for catherine herridge is reporting tonight that the fbi specialists are, in fact, working with the kenyan authorities there and investigating and in helping them in advisory roles there on the ground. they're also looking to see whether or not americans would have come from areas in america like minneapolis, and other places where we know that there are enhanced large somali populations that might have been a feeder for al shabaab. so you're absolutely correct in that. and fox news can confirm it. but you said something i had not heard

over the last year since kenya entered into somalia in 2011. they removed al-shabab from a large force of income, the port city of kismayo. they had a loss of income. they made al-shabab - their forces - make them more vulnerable to the african union forces. the al-shabab has suffered a lot from the attacks of the kenya kenyans - they have been efficient in fighting them. the question is why the attack came late. the al-shabab have been hostile to the kenyans for a while. one reason might be that kenya's stay in somalia gained a lot of controversy because they are engaged in supporting the self-governance rule in the port city of kismayo, which at times has been at rivalry with the government. this is hurting the kenyans, it's well planned. they are trying to hit kenya where it hurts, scaring away foreigners. westgate is a center where communists, tourists, workers in the united nations and diplomats frequent. by gaining a lot of attention, by doing this, they can hurt the most white or white of sectors in the kenyan economy - which is tourists

kenya's government says it's the beginning of the end as the military moves to end the siege at the west gate mall. ♪ and merkel appears to be just short of an absolute majority in the german election. laid to rest, the 81 victims of sunday's suicide bombing in pakistan. and at least 25 people are killed because of typhoon usagi in southern china. ♪ kenya forces have begun the operation to free hostages being held by al shabaab fighters in the west gate mall. sustained gunfire has been heard in the past few hours and the army is trying to bring about a quick end to the standoff and so far 68 people are known to have died and let's go to kathryn who is in the kenya capitol for us and the military keen to end this today. what has been going on? >> yes, you are right, the military is very keen to end this today. there has been a lot of activity throughout the morning. the gunshots are silent and we have not heard anything for the past hour or so but earlier on we heard an explosion of sorts as well. we have seen military enforcement that has been brought in. we have seen a fire truck co

we are continuing to following the break i story out of nairobi kenya. gunmen open fire in a mall killing at least 20 and injuring 50. we'll have the latest. house republicans pass a bill to fund the government that they know will be dead a arrival in the senate now lawmakers have barely a week to reach ideal before government shutdown. ♪ ♪ >> welcome back. with the government shutdown looming just nine days way, no sign of compromise in washington. on friday the house passed the in herb you are to fund the government while defunding at fordable care act. today president obama says that's a nonstarter. randle pinkston is live in washington with more. so randle, is there any way to really tell who has the upper hand? >> reporter: well, rochelle if you are looking at who can keep an issue on the front burner even after many thought it had been resolved, certainly you would have to say the republican controlled hous house of representatives is doing that with respect to the affordable care act obama care, we are a year after the election when mitt romne

american resident sara head is in kenya on business. she saw the horror as sht shotse fired. >> people were telling us to be quiet. i was pretty afraid that it was unsafe to exit, but i did anyway. there were still employees of the supermarket who were sort of standing there and to shat tome degree to exit. there was blood on the floor. not a substantial amount but drops that looked like someone who had been wounded had either walked or been carried out the supermarket, the same path we were taking. we walked through the hardware section and the grocery section and onto their sort of storeroom or stockroom and then out the loading dock area where we eventually saw crowds of people milling about. i saw two or three police officer with weapon. there were definitely cameramen. and once we made it to the street, i just continued to walk and picked up running after i got, you know, where i didn't feel like i had to stay quiet any longer. i guess i picked up running at that point with my colleague and my -- the driver who was with us. i didn'

particularly attacks in kenya, because they see kenya as two cooperative with the west, too cooperative with the u.s. >> national security communities are always concerned about the vulnerabilities here in the u.s. but now, given what has taken place in kenya, does it heighten concerns about u.s. security, about potential soft targets in the u.s.? >> it does. it causes the authorities here to realize that it's going to have to believe intelligence-driven prevention to be able to identify a group of individuals before they carry out the attack, because if you get a group, you know, one or more people here with the inclination to go into a soft target, which would be a shopping mall, which would be a grocery store. any place where larger people gather without additional security measures to prevent them from accessing, this includes subways, commuters all over the country in major rail and bus networks, there is no big degree of security for anybody getting into those locations. so one or more people with automatic weapons or explosives could wreak havoc. and there would be -- it would be

but also in kenya because they actually have been able to recruit quite significant numbers of kenya nationals and somalia in kenya from the community. of course, their targets are shopping malls and restaurants and cinemas are soft targets and very difficult to secure. you can always secure the targets after a certain point and easy to do with government buildings and more sensitive targets. the kenya operations have got this very difficult task to try to control this but they were able for example and they were successful in constructing a similar plot two years ago to carry out attacks on restaurants and this time around we will see the group succeeding. >> that thank you very much, and jane is janing us from london, thank you. well, as we already heard al shabaab threatens to kill if force is used and this is a recording released in the past few hours. >> come up and released him. >> translator: and he said the pressure and attacks coming from them so from this point forward they have permission an order them when they come under attack they take action against the hostages they

in the end, this is a trip to kenya. we need to look at where is shabaab, and how do they get to this day? now they have crossed the border. we need to examine that and we need to examine what sort of support they have. remember, groups can fight with each other, but they share expertise. >> you wrote for foreign policy. the fact that this attack is happening now, you were wondering if it was the death throw. you .2 divisions -- point to divisions with al qaeda. >> when they had the merger, they say the group is getting stronger and it turned out to be a tipping point. the merger was forced, and forcing the merger to shore up his support, it led to several different things. a lot of defections and a rift between the u.s., canada, and europe. the most famous one being from alabama in the united states who worked publicly with him and said he was being hunted by the leadership. >> we can show a video where he spells out that he had broken. >> i record this message today because i believe my life might be in danger. >> it b

forces as the as they had then where and of course kenya and kenya is particularly active of course in the area of southern somalia where al shabaab is trying to maintain its support and indeed kicked out to conspire the main port and half of the main source of their revenue but i think we have to look at this in two ways first fold as a somali issue going on here and then there's an international issue if you look at the statement made by al shabaab of about the westgate attack one thing was kenyans you better get out of somalia or else you'll face more than this and the second thing was the international community you bet assume stop supporting the kenyans and supporting the others in fighting in in somalia so there's a sort of transition there from a local issue to an international issue and stephen made a very good point about the unpopularity of al shabaab and the divisions in al shabaab which of course led to a great deal of bloodletting in recent weeks and months within al shabaab ok kelly put it in the last twelve years again we go back to ninety ninety one when we are consider

and kenya is now, they know it's about the leader and i think we are now having good neighbors and kenya are no longer thinking along the particular lines so for us we are united and not seen as that country that is different in the groups and there is a good example of a general election. and they are brought together and a goal for the country and what we are saying is it's not good to open the wounds that have been there. the best thing is the consolation and the best use for the country to work together and we pray for people in kenya and grateful to god for it and do not see a lot of that to them. when the issue referring to them with kenya we want our country to grow once again. so basically i would say we are heading in the right direction. >> reporter: so thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. >> you are welcome. >> reporter: the taliban released a senior female mp after kidnapping her last night and al jazeera has the video and in the exclusive report james furgeson caught up with her. >> i'm brace of her children and she was the first female mp to be kidnapped by

and kenya's vice president goes on trial. william ruto is the most senior official yet to appear at the international criminal court. he's wanted for violence following the election four years ago. and that's where we'll begin, the trial of kenya's vice president gets underway today. he is now the highest ranking official to be in the hot seat at the international criminal court. he and the newly elected president are accused of master minding the violence after the last election five years ago. the trial comes just days after kenyan m.p.'s voted to pull the country out of the i.t.c. here's more. >> william routeo faces three chargers of murder, deportation and persecution. before he left, he parade with the president who is also charged with crimes against humanity but his trial will not begin until november. last week kenya voted to quit the jurisdiction of international criminal court. he said he will stop cooperating with the i.t.c. if the court summons both men at the same time leaving kenya without a head of state at ho

another attack in kenya. this one killed two police officers and the worry here, obviously, is this terrorist group al shabaab is making it known that they are on the rise. and there's been an international arrest warrant issued for a british woman with a nickname out of a spy novel. she's known as the white widow. officials say they want to know of any involvement she might have had in what happened in kenya. we begin again tonight with nbc's ron allen in nairobi where there's been some activity tonight, i understand, ron. >> reporter: indeed, brian. good evening. tonight we heard several loud explosions and saw fire at the mall site down the road behind me there. investigators say it is the hard work of clearing away ieds, bombs and explosives the militants left behind. the devastation of the west gate mall up close. new pictures today show the parking structure in ruins, still smoldering. what caused this much damage? authorities aren't saying. meanwhile intense speculation about this woman, samantha lewth

abc's kir rat radja also in kenya for us tonight. kirit? >> reporter: when the assault started, nick handler was sitting in the cafe with his 2-year-old daughter. >> all of a sudden, just heard a loud explosion, followed by gun shots and i just immediately grabbed her and ran across the mall. >> reporter: at the same time, his wife lindsay, eight months pregnant, was one floor down. the family accept rated by the chaos. >> that was just the most terrifying thing for her, not being able to be with us and having no idea what was happening. >> reporter: father and daughter hid in a storage room with about 40 other people. >> then all of a sudden, people started rushing back in and there was some screams. so, we all ran back and i would say that, aside from that initial explosion, was probably the most terrifying moment. >> reporter: young julie spent the whole time pressed up against her dad's side. >> she was incredibly brave. or she just really didn't know what was going on. >> reporter: his wife lindsay hid in the movie theater. after hours

did kenya not heed the warnings from the u.s.? >> i am sure that kenya did. i think that everybody in this day and age, the whole global landscape has changed so drastically that i think that everyone pays particular attention to security risks, but we just had a horrific event here in washington, d.c. last week at the navy yard at a hard, secured area, so i don't think it's a question of the kenyans not heeding, but it's a question of really, a change in tactics on the part of al shabaab. >> the witnesses said the gun men were shouting for muslims to move away. what were the actual targets? >> well, the actual target really is the government of kenya. they want to have kenya pay for its support of somalian government to move them out of mogadishu. kenya has about 682 kilometers of border with somalia. there is about 3.3 million people in nairobi, a big koz mott pot tan city. they wanted to hit a target that would have the biggest impact. >> doctor, one of the things that's interesting about this particular bombing or,tac, rather, was you were there in 1998 w

gunmen opened fire on shoppers in kenya. the latest on the standoff moments away. >>> we will tell you about the possibility of a government shutdown. >>> and in colorado, the rain may have stopped but the damage from the devastating floods is mounting. we'll tell you why people there now have serious health concerns. we begin with the deadly attack at an upscale mall in kenya. they're trying to rescue hostages. it began many hours ago when a gunman stormed the mall and opened fire. [ gunshots ] at least 20 people were killed, more shoppers are wounded according to red cross. washington, d.c. resident sara head was in the mall when it happened, she was in kenya on business. she told me it was a very frightening scene. >> i was very frightened. in fact i felt safer stuck in the stairwell. as soon as i was able to get out, i actually took off running and just ran. there was quite a crowd of people that i had to pass through once i got beyond the loading dock, in fact, but -- >> what were all of the people doing. >> i was tryin

and president of kenya. we want to thank them for helping the somali government to fight al shabaab and help liberate the most important in south somalia. that's my responsibility to convey those condolences to the victims. yes, 2008, november, election day, we had missing a man, and later on, we found out that my nephew and several others departed for somalia. they were part of a group that was being radicalized, brainwashed, and then taken to somalia to fight alongside al shabaab. >> what were some of the signs, were you in contact with your nephew? did you notice a change? what was going on with him at the time? >> we have not noticed anything unusual while he was here. but when all those young men left, we gathered all the families together and we had a discussion, looking back about their lives and what was different. we all agreed, last three months of their lives here, they were different. they were very quiet. they would stay up all night looking at the ceiling. they were very confused. they were cry

we are working the story in nairobi, kenya. the president says 39 dead and some his closest family members. 150 people hurt. the terrorists shouted they were looking for nonmuslims. again, as news comes about the americans caught up in this, we will bring it to you. for now, my friends on "the five" and at 7:00 eastern" the fox report." sew you -- see you then. >>> hello everyone. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> obamacare is on everyone's mind and the american people don't like it. according to the latest fox news poll, 60% have an unfavorable opinion of obamacare versus 34% who have a favorable opinion. unions don't like it. >> when the act was put together it wasn't thought completely through. we are working to try to solve problems. >> you allow an aca bill to go through. i guarantee in t

in connection with a 2011 plot to bomb targets in kenya. no known connection to the mall attack but there were unconfirmed reports of a white woman among the gunmen. in kenya near the somalia border, another attack. two kenyan police officers killed. al shabaab again claiming responsibility. while at the mall itself investigators, including fbi agents, looked for clues, trying to piece together exactly what happened here. ♪ >> this program has learned from multiple sources the identities of two of the attackers. >> reporter: tonight a british tv report says a former kenyan special forces soldier, also a convert to islam, linked to al shabaab, led the assault. how big a threat is al shabaab? >> groups like al shabaab are the new face of al qaeda. the attack we saw in nairobi represents the worst face. what we have to make sure is that the threats remain regionally focused and not towards the west and the united states. >> reporter: al shabaab has claimed some americans participated in the mall attack, but there's been no evidence of that s

we're going live to kenya. i will also speak with a journalist who got into the mall just hours after the terrorists struck. >>> meanwhile, a high stakes visit to the united nations for president obama and it comes amid a charm offensive by iran's new president. will these two leaders actually meet here at the u.n.? >>> and a high stakes week in washington, where a government shut-down looms as conservatives target obama care. i'm wolf blitzer at the united nations. you're in "the situation room." >>> it's midnight in nairobi, two and a half days since terrorists attacked an upscale shopping mall and began methodically slaughtering people inside. it's now been several hours since kenyan security forces stormed the mall. one official says some al qaeda linked gunmen may still be inside. the death toll as of now, at least 62 people. dozens of people are said to be unaccounted for. scores of people are injured. americans are among the wounded victims of the terror group al shabaab, which claims three americans too

they have been able to cross over into kenya and attack uganda. attracted a number from britain and the u.s.. they publicized their attacks. sending to we are the government is and always has been -- >> [inaudible] questions will be asked. the authorities will talk about this country's security system. it won't be an easy division. >> among the ranks of the volunteers, 50 are believed to come from britain. some may eventually return to this country. trial in kenya for possession of explosives. another has been on the run from authorities. gecko a strictnt islamic state in somalia. three years ago, they carried out a double suicide bombing to punish uganda. movement that want to see joe hot phot inside of somalia, it is about what happens in somalia. there are other terrorist networks throughout the middle east. >> they have hit the most powerful country where it hurts. hows exposing just tolerable it is. he served as coordinator of counterterrorism at the u.s. state department until last year. >> when you look at islamic extremist groups, how dang

i don't want people thinking that -- something about kenya. i'm very prideful for the country and i love kenyans even though i'm american. >> the group al shabaab says it did carry out the attack. the fbi now investigating claims by the al qaeda affiliate that americans were involved. let's bring in our justice reporter evan. i know you're speaking with your sources at the justice department, the fbi. they're trying to figure this out. what's the latest we're getting? >> wolf, the confusion and the claims that zain verjee reported from nairobi is what the law enforcement is dealing with as well. the fbi has a pretty big operation in nairobi. it's a regional center where they keep an eye on things in somalia and east africa. they're sharing intelligence information. we know that they're looking at communications, intercepts, that kind of thing to try to figure out which claims from al shabaab to believe. whether or not they're americans or other westerners involved. they're still not confirmed at this moment. they're working to try to figure th

the coverage of the massacre in kenya for tonight. much more tomorrow morning on "good morning america." >>> but we move on this evening now, to washington, where late today, there was a memorial for the victims of the terrible gun violence here at home. president obama remembering the victims of the navy yard shooting. the gunman there, alluding security and taking 12 lives once inside. in the same week, a mass shooting at a playground in chicago, 13 people injured, including a 3-year-old boy. the president this weekend, renewing his call for lawmakers to act on gun violence. >> what wears on us, what troubles us so deeply, as we gather here today is how this senseless violence that took place in the navy yard echoes other recent tragedies. >> the president late today. and of course, the more immediate battle brewing in washington is the one that could greatly affect every american. your 401(k), your retirement savings, because the markets are showing real jitters about lawmakers on both sides taking this country possibly to the fina

certainly the president of kenya said this is a kenyan operation. we would be there in a supporting role, depending what kenya asks for. those are the main elements that the president would have covered in his conversation with president uhuru kenyetta. >> going back to the people we think are responsible, the al-shabab group. what does the way this is played out, and the scale of the operation tell you about al-shabab, and how it is developing at the moment. >> it has evolved. over the last year or so you have seen small targeted attacks not only in kenya but in somalia. in may and june of this year there were grenades thrown in nairobi. but this is very, very different. this is definitely a tactical and strategic difference. they are small technical communicates. they had a 3-prong attack - one from the back, one from the front and one from the pedestrian. they clearly planned it. i would say they had some foreign assistance either right there or in planning. >> president uhuru kenyetta promised to hunt down the perpetrators. what do you take that

also another tweet from kenya police. we ask media and analysts to resist from speculating on the incident, and then write, let us do our bit. 20 killed we're told by the kenya red cross. 50 wounded. and the hostages inside this mall at this hour, now coming up on 20 to 6:00 in the evening there in nairobi. >> and it sounds like still a very active scene with that rescue operation just under way. and a short time ago, we spoke with zilumbia kassan, who said her experience was just terrifying. listen to what she had to say. >> we had no choice but we left, and thank god, because i see people leaving now, even after three, four hours later than i did. and lots of people who are dead and so many injured. it's a blessing we were safe. i didn't see any injured people. as i said, 30 feet away from us, we heard these shots. so there was some blood there. and then they had already taken the people out probably who were hurt, and the storage area where we were incarcerated, there was a lot of blood and shoes. but i physically didn

and then send them overseas to kenya and somalia. >> our breaking news again, kenya, prime minister telling two americans are involved in the attacks. and a minnesota man who had been convicted of recruiting men to join al-shabaab. thank you, gentlemen, welcome both. tell me about the case you were involved in, and what your reaction is to what has happened in kenya as a result. >> well, we were involved in representing a man who was accused of helping convince and transport young men from a mosque in minneapolis to travel to somalia, ultimately to participate and attend a training camp, run by al-shabaab in a southern part of somalia. and the case was tried in federal district court here in minneapolis. and our client was found guilty. a number of people who were recruited by the conspiracy made agreements to testify for the government. so in the case that was alleged, i believe there were 18 young men who were said to have been persuaded to go to somalia to fight for al-shabaab. the events in kenya are of course, appalling, and very upsetting. i looked at the information that was provided

the death toll is rising while the tense standoff continues in kenya. the red cross says at least 68 are dead and 175 others injured, including five americans, after gunmen stormed the westgate mall in the capital city of nairobi. members of al-shabab are inside the mall holding an unknown number of people hostage. president obama called president uhuru kenyetta of kenya to express his condolences and offered u.s. support to bring those responsible to justice. within the last few hours there has been increased activity at the shopping center, including reports of sporadic gun fire, helicopters and one explosion. this is an ongoing situation. we have the latest from nairobi. >> military reinforcements sent in. they say their priority is to rescue the civilians inside the mall. the attackers have several hostages. >> president uhuru kenyetta and his political opponents, raila odinga and others called for calm. they asked the international community not to issue travel warnings for kenya, and had their own warning for attackers still in the mall. >> they s

why kenya? why this mall? >> the reason for attacking kenya is very clear. there are there are kenyan troops inside somalia known as jubiland, going back almost two years. i think the al shabaab organization has said it has focused on kenya because of this. the reason for attacking the mall, i think, is self evident. it's a soft target. it's a civilian target. it's undefended. it's very much open to attack. and it's a very easy target to carry out an asim et trill cal -- asemit tri cal attack. i think these attackers are willing to do that. >> with that being said, should we recard this as a sign of strength or weaknets when it comes to al shabaab? >> i would consider it a sign of strength only in the sense that it shows the organizational skills of al shabaab to be able to shpull something like this o. it requires considerable organization. i think the more important point -- and others will disagree with me on this -- is that it is a sign of weakness because it indicates this is the kind of thing that al shabaab can still do effectively: that is suicide bo

when we come back we'll be talking more about that situation in nairobi, kenya. we're going to discuss the scope of al-shabab's threa threat in e region and perhaps worldwide. of >> heavy gunfire continuing inside my rebi's westgate shopping mall where the kenyan military is still fighting against al-shabaab forces that have gathered inside. earlier today kenyon officials said they had control, and we go to a security terrorist analyst for us, and she joins us live from london. can you tell us if the concern we're seeing in nairobi, kenya, could one day be exported to the united states? >> well, al-shabab, you know, it's have much still regional. especially because it has been suffering significant setbacks in recent moss, so they're definitely trying to regroup in somalia. there is an intent and possibly the ability for the group to strike in neighboring countries as we're seeing tragically in kenya. in terms of the international outreach of the group. the group really does not have the capability to directly launch an attack in the likes of u.s. or european cou

kenya's government, though, says it's freed all hostages. the muslim brotherhood in egypt says it will appeal a court ban on its activities and seizure of its assets. the ruling allows police to arrest anyone taking part in things organized by the group. the first talks on iran's disputed nuclear program. discussions are anticipate odd the side lines of the u.n. general assembly in new york. the death toll from an attack on a church in the park stan pakiy has passed 80. many of those were brought to the lady reading hospital which is one of pakistan's older, but there is a report it's struggling to cope with the rising number of victims from bomb attacks and traffic accidents. >> reporter: this is the lady reading hospital in the center of the city. it's one of the largest and oldest medical institute in pakistan. but it's now also one of the busiest in the world when it comes to treating victims of road accidents and other contingencies on this day, the casualties are from a head on collision between a motorcycle and a truck. the lady readi