. >> our goal is to protect the american people from obamacare. >> we need to re peel and replace obamacare with a better system. >> i want to be absolutely crystal clear. any bill that defends obamacare is dead, dead. >> we will start by reducing premiums by as much as 2500 per family. >> this is playing with fire. legislative arsonists at work. >> obamacare is a law that will harm people. >> we can never balance the budget if you keep obamacare going. it is a fiscal train wreck. >> if you like your plan, keep your plan. >> you can't be held hostage. you can't have someone put a gun to your head and say we'll do horrible, ridiculous things unless you give in to us. >> obamacare is driving up the cost of health care, destroying millions of american jobs. it is a train wreck. >> we are done. >> welcome to "hannity." the house of representatives stood up for the american people and voted to defund obamacare. tonight we'll be joined by a special studio audience from both sides of the aisle to debate the president's disastrous health care law. first here is how it went down earlier today in a 2

obamacare. just try it. there were an awful lot of us, an awful lot of republicans who were very, very skeptical of it. i think for good reasons but very skeptical of it. and we were told try it, try it, try it, try it. and through unfortunately an exercise of brute political force, obamacare became the law of the land. but i'll tell you the difference with green eggs and ham. is when americans tried it, they discovered they did not like green eggs and ham and they did not like obamacare either. they did not like obamacare in a box, with a fox, in a house or with a mouse. it is not working. you know, one of the oldest definitions of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. i understand why many supported obamacare in the beginning. but if you look at the facts, if you look at the evidence, if you look at what is happening when the american people have tried it, it's not working. and if we listen to the people, if we listen to the american p

obamacare? -- because of obamacare? and you can, what is the united states senate doing to listen to you? the answer right now is an empty chamber. mr. president, our system was based on a profound notion that sovereignty resides with the american people. that every one of us -- you know, sometimes people in the senate behave as if they have no bosses. as if they're autonomous rulers. and washington is a little bit a town where it treats the people in washington, they behave like kins and queens of their own themedoms. and yet, mr. president, every one of us has a whole lot of bosses. in my instance, identify go, i't 26 million bosses back in texas, who are the 26 million texans who i work to represent. those who supported me and those who didn't. it's my job to represent for every one of them, to fight for every one of them. and the most fundamental problem -- bigger than obamacare -- is the problem that washington has stopped listening to the american people. you know, it is quite striking, mr. president, that in disc

obamacare. in fact, over 19 times. that's why we are asking, mr. speaker, for fairness and a workable health care law and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from oregon seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. blumenauer: thank you, mr. speaker. it's interesting listening to the parades of horribles on the house today. but in a practical matter, in states like mine in oregon, people are going to get better coverage at lower costs. in california and new york and colorado, where people are actually working to implement the law rather than sabotage it. but this is a smoke screen, obscuring the fact that when my republican friends talk, for example, about spending and debt, they are actually afraid to allow the house of representatives to vote on their own spending bill. because their own members won't vote for it. that's why it's been two months and we've never finished the liberat

talk about obamacare. hhs finally releasing information on insurance premiums claiming costs will be lower than first thought. karl, you tweeted don't believe hhs happy talk. obamacare will increase individual market premiums by 99% for men and 62% for women. i had a gentleman who said the opposite last night. how do i know who to believe? >> read the fine detail on the report that came out of hhs. what hhs did was compare the current estimates of cost for some of the -- for the cheapest bronze, silver and gold policy and the second cheapest silver policy to the original congressional budget office projections. not to what you are actually paying, they are comparing it to what you thought you may pay. if you look and compare what the rates are in their estimates to what people are currently paying, young men on average will pay between 97 and 99% more than they now pay. less than what the cbo projected but more than they are paying now. young women, 55 to 62 the% more. north carolina men get hit the worst.

who opposes obamacare? because the reality is we're not going to go for a year with a government shutdown. and i want to talk just a little bit about the consequences which i'm not necessarily advocating any particular going forward here at this point. but i think we need to weigh some of this information in terms of what we do so that we understand the reality that exists here, the hard truth that exists. number one, should should -- she government will not stop obamacare. will not stop obamacare. the congressional research service, under the request of senator coburn, who will be speaking next, has given us a nonpartisan report, factual report back that simply says the majority, the significant majority of the funding for obamacare is not under our control. it's mandatory. it's automatic. the taxes, the 13 or 14 taxes in this bill don't get stopped, so the american people keep getting taxed for this legislation, and more than half of it, significantly more than half of it -- senator coburn i think will go

they to alessandro obamacare premiums would go down. they told us that under obamacare health-insurance would be affordable. obamacare will cost taxpayers almost $2 trillion only insures 40 percent of the nation's uninsured. so the real question is, why won't democrats joined with republicans and stop such an expensive and ineffective public policy. well, take a second then go to our social site. i website. be sure to go to foxbusiness.com. today's feature, taking a look at how the dysfunction in d.c. is affecting the markets. up next, those markets. we will give you a hint again, not happy markets. a triple digit lost up in the week. thank you very much, washington. in nasdaq and s&p, market perspective and insight straight ahead. the "a-team" will be joining a son who is really to blame if the government-set down at midnight. up next. ♪ she loves a lot of the same things you do. it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anyt

which i'm happy to defund obamacare. there is a deeper b problem in the federal government. it's the way we spend money. we spend too much. the way we plan to spend money is on short-term fixes. i ran a business for the last 15 years. i cannot manual showing up excited that i beat the deadline by a day. all of my business plans suggest we need a one-year, three-year, five-year look into the future. when you do short-term continuing resolutions you are not doing good planning for the country. with a $4 trillion company called the federal government we have to treat it like a business. we have to have a long-term plan. reconcile the budget. we spent little time having a conversation about reconciling the budget between the house and senate because they are so far apart. it's bad for business. it's bad for families. families have to balance their budget across the kitchen table. as a small business owner i had to balance my budget annually. i had to have a plan for three years. the federal government, $4 trillion nearly in

that is obamacare. and i wonder, i've thought many times about what would have happened to my parents. i know it would have been catastrophic in our family. but i wonder how it would have impacted the rubio family if obamacare had been the law when senator rubio's parents came to this country seeking the american dream. would it have benefited them or would it have harmed them? mr. rubio: would the senator from texas yield for a question without yielding the floor? mr. cruz: i am happy to yield for a question without yielding the floor. mr. rubio: i heard the question, rhetorical question you posed to the body. it involved the direct question about how my family would have confronted those challenges. let me back up and talk about that for a second because while it is my family, i think we should all -- the reason why i got in politics and my view of the issues of the day are all framed through my upbringing, as all of ours are. you can't escape where you come from or what you're raised around. it influ

i will not touch obamacare. but the interesting thing is, he has amended obamacare probably 15 times already, but he does it without any legislative approval which we think is unconstitutional, but it is also showing he is just going to fix the law on his own without any approval of congress. we think he should come to congress. we should negotiate how to fix or make obamacare less bad. we are the party that is willing to compromise. they are the party that says, no way. we are not touching obamacare. >> schieffer: all right. well, senator, i am going to thank you for joining us this morning. i don't see you coming off your position right now, so let's go to a democrat in springfield, illinois, the number 2 democrat in the senate, richard durbin. senator, thank you so much for joining us too. well, you just heard senator paul. what is going to happen here? >> well, i am afraid, bob, we know what is going to happen. tomorrow the senate will come in session. the house position which is basically the same one they

no more money for obamacare. at the same time, i think when we are trying to grow our party, it could disrupt and distract us if government shuts down and social security checks in and checks the soldiers in. i don't want either situation. really by standing on principle, what ted cruz and mike lee did, standing on principle, maybe we force them to get rid of some of the worst parts of obamacare. maybe we don't win. uh i'm being a el realist. maybe we don't win but we say maybe we fete rid of the medical devices tax, the insurance tax. maybe the individual mandate. >> people want the republicans to fight, meaning all of you. it means the tactical difference is either now you stand up and risk what the media and what the left will say about you being guilty of shutting down the government or wait for 2015 after an election you may or may not win and you have obama as president. that's what i see the choices as. >> maybe. i think it is also important to say and know that we are also battling against democrats who a

that act is obamacare. this is the 2,000-plus pages of obamacare, a little bit worse for wear, and right on the cover of it, on page 1, december 24, 2009, ordered to be printed and passed. resolved that the bill from the house of representatives titled h.r. 3590 entitled an act to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to modify the first-time home buyers credit in cases of members of the armed forces and certain other federal employees, and for other purposes, do pass the following. and what was the amendment that was done? strike out all after the enacting clause and insert. so everything about the first-time home buyers credit, everything about the armed forces, that all got a raise, titles stayed there, -- that all got erased. the titles stayed there. but it all got erased and suddenly obamacare was born. now, look, that was a creature, that was a fact that came out of the procedural games that had to be played to force obamacare into law on a straight party-line vote, but i would note that this body h

and defund obamacare. we introduced positive reforms on health care. >> one of the propoems is a $17,500 tax deduction against your income or payroll taxes if you buy insurance under the gop program. $20,000 per family, right? >> that's a positive move. it's a great incentive to get people to purchase their own health care in the private market. >> what about the poor? people have jobs but obamacare, the whole idea was to the make sure everybody is included. in your program is there something for the poor? >> there's always been medicare and medicaid. medicaid takes care of the very poor. >> with an expansion? do you envision is expansion under obamacare or the old level? >> what we are doing is offering more affordable options and more options for health care because, as we know, obamacare is inacrossing the cost of medical care. our proms are bringing it down. so it will be far more affordable for people at the lower end of the income ladder. our gol is to make sure every american has a way to get their

to cribbs, supporting obamacare goes beyond nitty-gritty health and public policy issues. it's a matter of morality. >> that is what obamacare is all about -- taking care of those who are among us, for whatever reason, who are unable to care for themselves in terms of their physical condition, in terms of their health and their medicine. as a person of faith if i am to turn my back on people who have needs, medicaleeds, physical needs, i have turned my back on my faith. that's the bottom line. >> reporter: of course, many other people of faith don't share such views on obamacare. >> the parts that make me nervous about it, particularly from an ethical perspective, is the mandate that people have to buy insurance coverage. >> reporter: scott rae studies the intersection of christian ethics, economics, and health policy at southern california's biola university, an evangelical campus. rae worries about the estimated $1.1 trillion cost of obamacare as it expands coverage to more of the poor. he also believes obamacare takes too much authority out of the hands of individuals a

obamacare. and expecting different results. i intend to speak in opposition to obamacare. i intend to speak in support of defunding obamacare. until i am no longer able to stand. would you eat them with a fox? >> fox news. >> green eggs and ham. has some applicability as curious as it might sound, to the obamacare debate. it's when americans tried, if they discovered they did not like green eggs and ham and they did not like obamacare either. >> you're crazy. you're crazy. >> and one of the oldest definitions of insanity is -- >> my career is over, i am making a horse's asseth of myselfeth. >> they did not like obamacare in a box with a fox in a house or with a mouse. >> will the senator yield for a question? >> i cannot yield for the purpose of a question without yielding the floor. >> what is your major malfunction, numb nut! >> save us from this train wreck. >> the train wreck that is obamacare. >> a train. a train. a train, a train. >> over and again. >> could you, would you on a train? >> t

vote against funding obamacare and stop harry reid from amending this bill to fund obamacare. >> let's go to the next step. describe what's going to happen h this week and you pointed out friday is the important vote. in 1995 as the government shutdown, we are headed into that republicans were blamed 46 to 27%. now a pew poll says people blame the republicans and the president equally. there is a lot of talk about what would happen if this would result in a government shut-down. what's your answer to the people who say, we shut down the government. how do you respond? >> well, i don't think we should shut down the government. today the motion i filed, harry reid objected. if he had not objected we would have taken a government shutdown off the table. if harry reid and the president are saying unless they can force funding for obamacare, unless they can force obamacare on every american family, they are going to shut down the government. the way we stop it is standing up to them and saying, look, fund every bit of government. >> the house did that. >> the house has voted to fund governm

obamacare. but that fact is not often reported in the national liberal media as they cover the battle now in the senate over which party will prevail on the issue. speaker harry reid earlier today made it clear he is willing to reject the house bill that funds the government but the funds obamacare. senator reed is taking ownership in effect of any government shutdown by rejecting republican house ill. the matter how he constructs the argument, it is his. >> any bill that funds obama and health care plan is dead on arrival in the senate. affordable care act has been the bottom of the land for years now. willing to work with reasonable republicans to improve this law. lou: we will have the latest night, and we will have the latest on radical islamic terrorist killing people. senior minister saying that three more islamic terrorists were killed today in the three-day hostage standoff at the mall while claiming they are finally in control of the situation. as you can see on the screen 10 to 15 form

if you don't fund 100% of obamacare and if you don't force obamacare on every young person who is struggling and on everyone crying for help, he will shut the government down. i hope harry reid reconsiders. the constituents in nevada who elected him they are hurting because of obamacare and there are thrie00 million americans who are losing their jobs and who are at risk of losing their health care because of obamacare. we need to listen to the people. >> how dowry spawned to those who say you took this entire situation 21 hours close to brinks man ship by carrying out a speech that fundamentally and technically and procedurally couldn't change things. >> the purpose of the filibuster is trying to frame this debate for the american people. they will try to focus the american people on the disaster that is owe -- obamacare. it uses the words of the lead democratic senator who wrote the bill. the nightmare that is obamacare to use the words of the teamsters. we accomplished a great deal. if you look at what the conversation has been in the past month or the past week more people are focusing o

stays or whether obamacare is defunded. that is the question before us, not whether or not we shut the government down. so while i respect and appreciate everybody's position, i just think it's irresponsible for us as a senate to knowingly and voluntarily shut down our government and extend obamacare when we have the opportunity to have the debate, have the vote, strip the -- strip out the funding for obamacare and move forward. i don't know how it will end up. i think i know. but i know one thing -- inaction and not voting is wrong. people of georgia sent me here to take action, not to avoid action. they sent me here to run government, not to shut the government down. in fact, i got to the united states senate and the united states house because of a government shutdown and i want to tell that story. in the 1990's, when president clinton was president and newt gingrich was speaker, the issue of -- many issues came about on fiscal spending. and the speaker and the president and the minority and majority leader of the senate

especially obamacare. let obamacare go into effect. people will soon realize. >> do you not want the republicans to fight and stand on principle? as ted cruz said earlier ? >> sure. absolutely i do. but we are disgrease on tactics on how to do the it. >> tell me the other tactic. when do we neat get -- why wouldn't republicans make the biggest issue repealing -- members of congress or staff. or pushing for the delay of the individual mandate which they are already doing. >> vitter offered his amendments. ted cruz mentioned a lot. >> and hammered it home every day. >> that's a strategy. >> until 2014. make them own it. it's called obamacare. don't the give them a reason to point a finger at republicans. >> i don't see a reason for not increasing the delay in the individual mandate for a year. >> i'm nervous that they will. i'm nervous they will take the republican idea. >> they will do it because they don't -- they don't want the full impact. >> exactly. individual mandate costs votes. put it off for a year. >> you are admitting this is

he attacks us for wanting to delay obamacare. he's wanting to delay it because of problems that exist in it. everyday the case gets stronger. >> it wasn't a filibuster obviously but he's suggesting in this next vote it should be filibustered to be kept alive as is. in other words, the house bill should be kept alive as is without allowing senator reid to allow it to mend stripping it out. do you agree or not? >> the more you're able to talk about it. the first democrat in the senate says no. you need five mr to get to 51. more people hear about this and understand, everyday that goes forward you get a new business that says they're rolling people off. it goes to the core of what the president tried to sell the american people. if you currently like the health care you have, you can keep it. we find that is not true. if you purchase something and the guarantee doesn't meet, you take it back or delay it. that's what we're trying to do. >> there aren't many days congressman before tuesday and the shut down. >> the time will allow it

obamacare. it so the about public is sitting there and all they hear is negatives about obamacare. there are no details. host: thank you so much. can you stay to the messaging going on? guest: most americans don't know what is in the law. years down the road, with the president trying to sell the law on numerous occasions, people still don't know what is in it. the bigger risk for the white house and the democratic party is that people will find out if there are troubles implementing the law and they will find out directly. if you work at a company and they push you through the exchanges and you have a change in your healthcare, that's what will make people feel very strongly. it's less about what is in the law but more about how it affects your average americans that are paying close attention. andheir health care changes if they have trouble getting a job at a small business because of changes in healthcare laws, that's what will have a bigger impact politically. host: let's take another call

now what does an obamacare navigator do? so you're asking with what does an obamacare navigator do? >> stephen: yes, i am. >> they help uninsured residents sign up for the state's expanded insurance program. >> stephen: thank you,on. they help you learn about obamacare. that's why republican lawmakers are restricting and regulating health care navigators in 16 dates. in 16 states. they are withholding information from the public. and no one is working harder to keep their citizens in the dark than the sunshine state. jim? >> tension over how to implement the affordable care ago or o bam ra rar-- obamacare appears to be surfacing again in florida. this time it has to do with the so-called fav gators who are supposed to help people wade through the system to sign for health coverage. the florida department of health is saying that those navigators can't operate inside county health department offices. >> the state department of health put out a notice saying navigator its couldn't, quote, conduct activities on the grounds of the health department. >> stephen: yes, we need to keep the

all because of obamacare. fox news correspondent mike tobin has our report. >> reporter: a prestigious hospital and for treating world leaders and celebrities in the cleveland clinic is the largest employer in northeast ohio. however, the house will announce layoffs are imminent -- imminent. >> this is tough. probably the hardest thing you can imagine is telling people, i'm sorry. you know, we don't have a job for you here anymore. >> reporter: a clinic at the president while selling his health care reforms in 2009 held up as an example for how medicine should work. >> and part of the reason it works well is because they have set up a system where patient care is the number one concern, not bureaucracy, what forms have to be filled out, we get reimbursed for. those are changes that the american people want to see. >> reporter: with the reforms limiting the cleveland clinic determined that reimbursements will be reduced, private insure will also pay less. the cost of treating the patient and running a hospital

obamacare. if they want any changes in obamacare, wait until after the debt ceiling. >> senate majority leader harry reid said give obamacare a little time and he predicts 90% of the american people will like it just like they like medicare. trace? >> trace: on the flip side, what are we hearing from republican leaders? >> a lot of closed-door meetings across capitol hill, including house and senate republicans. house republicans are looking at a plan that would essentially pull out the individual mandate for obamacare and cut subsidies for members of congress and senior administration officials, so they're going to continue going after obamacare. i'm also told that senate republican leader mitch mcconnell is looking at the possibility of a one-week government funding bill just to keep the doors and lights on for another week. here's what the speaker of the house said about why republicans continue going after obamacare. >> this law is not ready for prime time. the house has done its work. we pa

get ready for obamacare. right now the president is promoting the new health care exchanges ahead of their kickoff next week. he has chosen a community college in maryland to highlight what he is calling a key cornerstone of the middle class, access to affordable health care a six-month enrollment period for the exchanges begins on tuesday. the obama administration needs millions of americans, especially the young healthy ones to sign up in order to keep costs low for everyone. so you can expect to see a lot of these high-profile events to promote the exchanges and push you towards signing u

obamacare health insurance. where in the constitution does it say that you have the government that provides a product to citizens. nowhere. >> i consider life being health. by the way, you offer the private enterprises. up to me, there would be a single plan. i understand that's not going to ever happen. leaving it up to insurance companies that i think have been a disaster for this country in health care. >> what are profit margins compared to new york times? >> they're very low. >> now take a look at new york times profit margins? >> you want to bring that in. >> i'm calling on -- >> they make a lot of money. >> they do? i thought they were going under. >> back up to the question is it a right on health care in the constitution? there's nothing that says that. does a civilized society want to provide and make sure people that need help have that? we have that in many programs. the biggest being medicaid. what's going to happen is you will end up with a three tiered system. wealthy people will walk into doctor

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another shot to vote on defunding obamacare. senator cruz talks about rallying the american people who are so engaged in this. are there a lot of protests around the country, people who want to unwind obamacare at this point? surely it is unpopular. no question about that. and there's certainly a lot of people who would not like to see it become law. but it is law. it's law and now it's about to go live and the exchanges are up, people are going to begin signing up. i'm with you. i don't see the end game for all of this drama. it's not clear what they've accomplished. particularly since there's nothing to unwipnd at this poin. the president would have to volunteer to dismantle everything that has been built up and even affirmed by the supreme court. republicans who have been calling me today say this is fantasy on the part of those like ted cruz who are making this push. >> peter, i think that david's word fantasy is great. sometimes the trigger to figure out what's going on, what would happen if something else happened? if the

people speak out and tell senators to defund obamacare, fund the rest of the government, defund obamacare that will happen? 100%? >> that's the only way it will happen. >> it can happen. this is about momentum. this is the way things happen in washington. the political establishment says it is impossible. the american people speak and they say, maybe it's improbable. eventually it's unstoppable as the people get behind it and elected representatives realize it is important to stand with them. >> if this isn't the fight for republicans i don't know what is. this is a defining issue. if they don't stand up and have a spine, they lose me. i'm a registered conservative already. otherwise, what do they stand for? the number one issue in america if you ask the american people is jobs and the economy. doesn't matter if they are democrats, republicans or independents. my biggest frustration is we spend zero time talking about jobs and the economy. we spent six weeks talking about guns and taking away second amendment rights. with harry reid's senate, no time on tax re form, regulatory reform. the

that is a key point of obamacare. if you don't get these young people to spend money they don't think is worth spending and they don't think they need, the obamacare law could be in serious trouble. that is the pressure point where significant change could happen. it is not a guarantee, but i see it as the best opportunity. >> jaime, thank you very much. >>> coming up, they served in the war zones overseas and now a group of veterans are on a new mission. they are helping people right here at home. that's straight ahead. xç >>> we have learned the death toll is rising in mexico after a massive landslide. more than a hundred people are dead, dozens more feared missing. the search for victims is going on with a one-two punch of the storm. manuel that hit portions of the country as a hurricane and tropical storm ingrid. both the gulf coast and pacific coast damaged. a plane crashed carrying supplies and everybody on board died. >>> america's veterans are signing up for a new mission. after serving in iraq and afghanista

she would repeal obamacare. louie gohmert has been putting hour after hour here on the floor and around this country doing battle with obamacare. the list of people that deserve credit for stepping up to this fight is long. it isn't exclusive here in the house, mr. speaker. it certainly includes a group of stalwarts in the senate. led in this latest episode by senator ted cruz of texas who stood on the floor for more than 21 hours and delivered a whole series of arguments against obamacare. but i'll say here's the argument. the argument that is at the center of obamacare, mr. speaker. and it is this. obamacare is by my opinion an unconstitutional takings of god-given american liberty. it takes away our right to manage our health. the most sovereign thing that we have is the american people is our soul. and our soul, the eternal nature of our soul, is controlled by god and our will. this federal government hasn't figured out how to nationalize our soul. but the second most sovereign thing we have is our bodies, o

i think obamacare's perfect. i think democrats underestimated how savvy people were when it came to health care. and going forward, if i were a republican, i would push for two things. one, to get these carve-outs for members of congress and staffers repealed and i would push for a delay of the individual mandate. run against it every day until 2014. >> i think they're going to do both. i think that it's possible that both of those things actually could happen, especially the delay part because it sound like now the house is working on something where they would send back a continuing resolution to fund the fwovt that would include a one-year delay. and if i were obama, i'd take that deal. >> yep. >> and then attach the obamacare defunding to the debt ceiling debate. >> well, that's a thought. >> it's an option. a couple quick thoughts. 14 months before the midterm elections, pretty darn nice for them. another thought for me, rubio showed up, rand paul show up, mike lee showed up. i was looking for mccain, didn't

the way problems with obamacare is resolved is one of two ways. what the democrats and liberals say is everything wrong with obamacare is a product of what they've allowed to remain in private sector hands saying it's the insurance companies, which even though they mandate we buy the insurance companies' products, they say it's a remaining private sector components so we need more government involvement in health care, not less. you know, government is the only major institution in american life for when it fails in a way, the answer is to give it more money and more power. i don't -- i can't think of any other institution that when it fails it needs to have more of the money and more power and more ability to do things, but that's how the federal government works. it will either move towards much bigger role of government in health care to a system like in europeanys and canada, or gradually untangle the web of mandates and regulations and sub subsidies and promote a free market in health care in this country. there are -- there really is no thir

i want to talk about obamacare. >> i will keep bringing it back. 24r* is one side linking obamacare with a shutdown of government. let's have the debate. let's have the debate about immigration reform. >> i think you have made that point. let's go to the question of jobs. under obamacare, any employer with 50 full time workers must provide coverage in 2015 and must provide under the employer mandate. full time is 30 hours a week or more. president obama says that won't be a problem. >> they said this would be a disaster in terms of jobs. there is no widespread evidence that the affordable care act has hurt in jobs. >> but a study this week found 313 companies, 313 are either laying off workers or cutting their hours to avoid the obamacare employer mandate. senator lee. >> this is another example of what happens in washington. as we say, the bullet points are different than the bill. that's true with respect to any piece of legislation. especially with a 2700 page piece of legislation. we are still learning more and more about the implications about this law. as it is taking affect and as

we're on the verge of implementing obamacare. i mean, there's so much good stuff out there, the republicans, they don't know how to handle it. this guy has got the republicans right where we want them to be. on the defense. so how do you know that we really have got them where we want them? well, when they don't let people testify, that's a pretty good sign. now, all the good news that's out there, it's all positive. well, there is this guy. darrell issa. congressman darrell issa. that's right. the head of the house oversight committee. he -- to his credit, he's one of the richest guys in congress. good for him. and he's got kind of a checkered past. i keep hearing that on talk radio from liberals in california. whatever that is. it's fair to say that darrell issa is one of the biggest obama haters in the congress. this guy has made a name for himself with one witch hunt after another, trying to tarnish the president. and every time he fails miserably. nothing has come of anything he has tried to do when it comes to fast and furi

i thunk we should defund obamacare. if the democrats won't agree we come together and we have to have a compromise. we are not going to get everything we want. what's ridiculous is the president comes out to say, oh, if the republicans don't get 100% of what they want they will shut down government. it's actually completely the opposite. he wants 100% of obamacare as passed by democrats with no input from republicans or he'll shut the government down. it's him threatening to shut it i down. he doesn't want to listen to reason or compromise. if the republican miss the house, let's walk through it. if they fund the debt, obligations, military, social security and the rest of the government but not obamacare and they send it to the senate and they won't take it up or they do it piecemeal and the president doesn't want to sign the legislation, who oos shutting down the government? wouldn't it be him? >> what happens is the democrats will pass a bill that fully funds obamacare. the republicans won't. historically the way com