in rwanda, it exists. and you know, i can look at where one does and not -- were wanda -- rwandans and not to know who is a tutsi or not. it is hogwash that there is no admitted he -- ethnicity. who has power and where is the wealth. there's got to be a lot of anger on the other side as well. fear has changed camp. >> we are joined by a rwandan. thank you for being with us. do you agree with what george kazolias said? let's face it, we can been talking about -- ban talking about ethnicity but it still matters a lot. >> it did not go anywhere despite the government is trying to say it. it is in people's minds. with the government the way it is running services in trying to oppress one from the other. you will see within every day of the government will stop it is also in people's minds. >> simone schlindwein, what is your -- what have you seen in terms of that? would you say they are just as tense as they were two decades ago? or things are evolving? >> it is difficult to say. as tense almost 20 years ago b

this is why rwanda -- the political transition in syria. i take this opportunity to urge the security council, particularly those permanent members who have moved on syrian parties to ensure the international conference in syria, implement the geneva communicate as soon as possible, negotiate in good faith and with a sense of responsibility with a view to finding a solution to end the syrian people. and encourage by the information provided tonight, may have been reached for the geneva 2 conference. nonetheless, mr. president, given the round of crimes committed in syria. the strong belief that any political solution shall ensure that all those who committed crimes in syria are held accountable. we welcome the provision of accountability contained in the resolution and to ensure that they are implemented. let me conclude by the message conveyed by his excellency, the president of rwanda. i rated my conviction that the primary responsibilities of these global -- the responsibility to protect. the agreed objective of maintaining international

in rwanda. stocking up in rwanda. my expectations for food in the congo are more measured. if you're looking to get to the eastern congo and many would ask why you would even want to do that, the best way is to drive across from neighboring rwanda. this country, of course, not too long ago, suffered its own appalling genocide. behind the wheel, dan. he's been living in the drc for two years, working on a documentary about some of the several dozen rebel groups in the country. riding shotgun, dan's close friend and associate horeb, a congolese. they're taking me across the border. one side, rwanda, hotels, paved roads, internet, and paperwork to be filled out. just a few feet of barbed wire, machine guns and cement walls away -- this. welcome to goma. a city of 1 million, the significant number of whom are idps, internally displaced people -- sitting, rather inconveniently, at the base of mt. niragango. a still smoldering volcano. current street level is about 12 feet above where it was in january 2002, when it last erupted. lava everywhere. which explains the less than smoo

ephraim graham reports from rwanda. >> i want to wake myself up to it is not just what we do but why we do it. >> reporter: peter greer has spent his professional life doing good work in the mission field. the president of "hope international" leads a global fight against poverty. we caught up with him in rwanda. >> i'm part of a generation that has grown up believing there are huge needs in the world, and the church needs to respond. we have thrown ourselves into the cause of social justice and into missions, and we have been burned out as a result. and a lot of this burnout comes because we have forgotten why we serve. >> reporter: charity and service has a dark side. this is what peter addresses in his book, "the spiritual danger of doing good." >> how do we give our family our leftovers because we are too busy doing good work. how is it we forget who we're becoming in christ because we don't have time? we're doing such good things, we don't have time to grow in a real relationship with christ. >> reporter: greer points out those who work in the mission field are usually aware of

and we asked should we intervene in rwanda. european union think it is fair to say it wouldn't poll real well. so typically when any kind of military action is popular, it is because either there's been a very clear direct threat to us, nervine or an administration uses various hooks to suggest that american interests were directly threatens. like in panama. and sometimes those hooks are more persuasive than others but typically they are not put before congress. again, we just went with something pretty tough with respect to iraq. all of that provides context for why you may expect people to be resis tent. >> your deputy -- >> i don't think that's exactly what he said, but i think i have answered the question. >> major derrick. >> thank you, mr. president. those of us that remember covering your campaign, remember you saying that militarily when the united states acts it is not just important what it does but how it goes about doing it. and even when it sets its course to listen to different ideas. european union wonder if you

imagine if rwanda was going on right now and we asked should we intervene in a wande? -- rwanda? i think it's fair to say that it probably wouldn't poll well. gwen: that's an interesting connection, between the moral argument and the polling argument. >> he is but it's an interesting argument from barack obama because 100,000 people died in syria from conventional causes just of ordinary civil war and he was leading a group within the administration saying there's no way to affect the outcome of the ground and you don't go in unless off plan that will actually affect the outcome on ground. hen 1,000 people, 1,4 oh, -- 1,400 if you believe the administration, 350 in some of the international intelligence reports get killed by chemical weapons. this is the great strategic disconnect in his argument because he keeps saying this is a limited strike, a day or two to teach a lesson -- a shot across the bow i think he said to asod. and one of the questions you're hearing from congress i think from people who would otherwise i think be inclined to support him, tell me what happens the da

i'm thinking more of rwanda. i do not think of risk will reject, but i want to remind you because i have reading what some of you have written to say that the president has never gone forward if congress has not approved, when it has taken up the issue. i remind you in 1999, president clinton brought us all together similar to this meeting here, but over a time to talk about going into the balkans. the vote was 213-213. 187 republicans voted no, about 30 on each side, something like that went in a different way than the majority of their party. that was when the planes were really ready to go into bosnia. he went, and you know what happened there.

you have a rwanda on one side and iraq on the other. a rwanda, where we don't do anything and there's a disaster. you have iraq where we do something reckless and stupid and there's a disaster. and there's a winding road between those two outcomes and this president, yeah, he's zigging, he's zagging, because it's a zig-zaggy road. and i'm afraid that we don't recognize when somebody's actually trying, in the moment, to do the right thing. you know, peyton manning, as a quarterback, he will wait until the very last second. okay, okay, this is -- okay, i lost you, fine. i lost you. but my only point is, sometimes leadership is messy! and i think he's doing a good thing. how can you say he's yellow lines and dead critters. all i can say to you about that is i think that the president has managed to engineer the worst of all worlds. we don't get rid of the dictator but we still have all the dead people in rwanda. >> having turned to the congress, but now having sort of backed off from turning to congress because it is now all in limbo. has

decision. >> let me interrupt you about rwanda. that decision came late. >> the americans did not want to move. >> bill clinton described it as the single biggest regret of his presidency. many of obama's top aides are from the clinton administration. in france, we have a precept in the law, non-assistance to people in danger. at what point -- you have 2 million refugees. >> refugees are refugees. >> at what point is there a moral imperative to act? >> first of all, you do not speak of morality. you speak of international law, and realities or it -- realities. it is a big mistake. i am absolutely upset by this kind of thing. we are going to make war in the name of human rights. at the end, you kill 10 times more people. you have to be realistic. this situation is awful, i agree. but it is also true we have means to act, and i'm sure that this international situation -- people are fed up by war. i agree with you. the only answer which is possible is geneva 2. even the iranians. people do not want to invite the iranians, who can have

they have never set food in rwanda. born to refugees, tanzania is all she has known. >> we were told if you were born there and have a birth certificate it is enough to onfirm that you are a citizen. >> it is a story repeated by many. they say they have lived there all of their life and have the paperwork to prove that. but those without an actual citizenship card were forced to leave. the government has been quick to provide services for people at this camp. there is a clinic. there is food. there is water. but the challenge is long-term, providing them with a home and helping them make a living. the government here is angry. relations between rwanda and tanzania have soured. it sees this as another sign of aggression. not the first time they excelled refugees or foreigners from their land. the latest evictions come at a time when the relationship with wanda is at its worst. >> we should never, ever give up. that is one of the messages that 64-year-old shared with a cast of onlookers today becoming the first person eve

, imagine if rwanda was going on right now and we asked should we intervene in rwanda? i think it's fair to say it probably wouldn't hold real well. typically, when any kind of military action is popular, it's because either there has been a very clear, direct threat to us, 9/11. or an administration uses various hooks to suggest that american interests were directly threatened, like in panama or grenada and sometimes those hooks are more persuasive than others, but typically they are not put before congress. again, we just went through something pretty tough with respect to iraq. so all of that, i guess, provides some contact why you might people to be resistant here. >> your deputy national security adviser said it's not your intention to attack if congress doesn't approve it. is he right? >> i don't think that is exactly what he said, but i think i've answered the question. major garrett? >> thank you, mr. president. those of us who remember covering your campaign, remember you saying militarily when the united states acts, it's not just important what it does but ho

. >>> the ruling rwanda patriotic front leader is widely expected to win. >> rwanda understand security. this is the third parliament election since the genocide. even though that was almost 20 years ago it's legacy still lie at the foot of politics here. a relaxed president cast his vote. his job was not up for election, but much of the front's popularity depends on his leadership. >> a win is a win, so i hope for the win. >> they turned africa into one of most dynamic economies but it is such a dominant force that there is almost no space for opposition. some think it's more sinister than that. it's party leaders is in prison for genocide. he said that the other parties are in bed. >> they share political parties. >> still this closely monitored election seems to have been relatively trouble free. observers report no incident of violence or attempts to interfere with the poll either through the ballot box or the campaign. the ballot count is simple. it's designed to avoid violent struggles of power. >> this is at the end of the matter. there are still 24 seats reserved for women, two

is rwanda a better historical comparison? >> i agree with fareed, with every word he just said, completely. i don't think even rwanda is an analogy of what's going on right now. i know kosovo has been mentioned, too. it's a little better than world war ii. the whole world war ii/hitler thing is very overwrought. i think the idea that chemical weapons are being used in syria, i mean, this is not a libya strike, you know, going after africa. this is in the heart of the middle east, where american interests are right by our border with turkey, our erstwhile nato ally, sharing a border with israel. it's a serious foreign policy crisis but the point fareed made is you don't want to oversell this as something larger than it is. i think that's where the administration has failed thus far. >> you brought up chemical weapons. are chemical weapons something worse here in general than what we normally see in warfare? chemical weapons seem to represent something different in our society and in our world culture. what if it had been a tac

is rwanda a better historical comparison? >> i agree with fareed, with every word he just said, completely. i don't think even rwanda is an analogy of what's going on right now. i know kosovo has been mentioned, too. it's a little better than world war ii. the whole world war ii/hitler thing is very overwrought. i think the idea that chemical weapons are being used in syria, i mean, this is not a libya strike, you know, going after africa. this is in the heart of the middle east, where american interests are right by our border with turkey, our erstwhile nato ally, sharing a border with israel. it's a serious foreign policy crisis but the point fareed made is you don't want to oversell this as something larger than it is. i think that's where the administration has failed thus far. >> you brought up chemical weapons. are chemical weapons something worse here in general than what we normally see in warfare? chemical weapons seem to represent something different in our society and in our world culture. what if it had been a tac

i'm thinking more of rwanda. i do not think of risk will reject, but i want to remind you because i have reading what some of you have written to say that the president has never gone forward if congress has not approved, when it has taken up the issue. i remind you in 1999, president clinton brought us all together similar to this meeting here, but over a time to talk about going into the balkans. the vote was 213-213. 187 republicans voted no, about 30 on each side, something like that went in a different way than the majority of their party. that was when the planes were really ready to go into bosnia. he went, and you know what happened there. i do not think the congressional authorization is necessary. it is a good thing, and i hope we can achieve it, and i look pretty confident on the evidence, the intelligence about the national interest that is at stake that we have a good conversation to have with our members. i myself -- i will tell you the story and then i have to go -- my grandson, as i was leaving sa

critics say that is because rwanda is a one party state but the rpf crushes opposition and the party says that is not true and the constitution that guarantees democracy. >> it's a difference everyone needs and not just one group. and the freedom of inspiration. >> reporter: the social democratic won't 14% in the last election and hopes to do better this time around. but its leader said they have the space to campaign but intimidation is not an issue. ♪ this is democracy rwanda-style and says their role is not to oppose. >> we are bringing a program and bringing forward things and if we can convince in addition to ideas this is good. >> reporter: the critics complain the space for political opposition here has narrowed drastically and examples of intimidation that badly need investigating but anyone who complains about the failure of the politics in the country is missing the point, they have tried it before and turned out very badly. the genicide museum records the shocking consequences of a political system that divided the party along ethnic lines and used democracy to hide a bl

he talked about rwanda three times actually in this press conference. also, this one, where he wanted to make sure everyone knew he was not making an analogy. >> i'm not drawing and analogy to world war ii other than to say when london was getting bombed, it was profoundly unpopular, both in congress and around the country, to help the british. doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do. to bring the analogy closer to home, you know, intervention in kosovo. very unpopular. but ultimately, i think, it was the right thing to do. the international community should be glad that it came together to do it. >> that was an interesting news conference, charles. >> i don't think we have ever seen a greater display of indecision and ambivalence. sometimes you can study ambiguity to scare the other guy to make it useful. with nixon, it was the soviets thought he was so potentially nuts that actually he deterred a lot of action because you never knew what he would do. he could do damage and he could be decisive. with obama, we have never seen that. the only action

in rwanda, the world did not respond in time. in kosovo it did a lot of people -- it did not respond in time, but it did eventually respond. they say we are so much worse than kosovo. as i said, these humanitarian organizations are struggling against every hurdle to sort of take care of people. people are not starving in these camps largely. they are not getting enough medical care and they are worried about the future and traumatized. i do think that it's fair to call this one the greatest humanitarian disaster of all time. >> were you surprised at the level of the how many an toll it's taken and the disaster that is the support or not the disaster, but the lack of more robust support? were you surprised at the scale of things? >> we were there a year ago and there were maybe 50,000 people in the camp. now there more than 130,000 people. again, i think that tells a story. how fast, how quickly people are spilling across the borders. some 5,000 people are spilling across the borders. in part i am not surprised that the response h

hashima al jazeera. >> rwanda will go to the poles mond monday. peter grest reports from there. >> the closing campaign rally for the rwandan pat tree on theic front had the relaxed feel of inevdoabilityty about it. the rpf will win this election and win it overwhelmingly. it's critics say that's because it is a one-party state in all but name. the rpf crushes its opposition. the party says that's not true it points to a constitution that guarantees democracy. >> this one person yes, freedom of expression. >> the social democratic party is the closest rwanda has. it won 14% in the last election and hopes to do better this time around. it's leader says the party has the space to campaign but intimidation is not an issue. this is democracy rwandan style. he says their role is not to oppose. democra democracy, we are bringing a program. bringing forward ideas and this position of ideas is good. >> the critics arrived but they are complaining the space has narrowed drastically. there are examples that badly need investigating. he complains about the f

we may not be directly imminently threatened by what's taking place in a kosovo or a rwanda. our long-term international security will be impacted in a profound way. and so i think it's important for us to get out of the habit in those circumstances. again, i'm not talking about circumstances where our national security's directly impacted, we've been attacked, et cetera, where the president has to act quickly. in circumstances in the type i described, it's important for us to get out of the habit of just saying, we'll let the president kind of stretch the boundaries of his authority as far as he can. congress will sit on the sidelines. snipe. if it works, the sniping will be a little less. if it doesn't, a little more. but either way, the american people and their representatives are not fully invested in what are tough choices. we as a country and the world are going to start to take choices. any time you're involving military action, people will say, this does more harm than good. i understand those arguments. i wrestle with them every day. i do have to ask people, if you'

, imagine if rwanda was going on right now and we asked if we should intervene in rwanda, i think it is fair to say it probably would not poll very well. when it is popular it is because i think there has been a very direct clear threat to us, 9/11. or an administration uses various folks to suggest american efforts were directly threatened like panama or nato, sometimes those folks are more persuasive than others but typically they are not put before congress. we just went through something with respect to iraq, so all that provides context for why we might expect people to be resistant. >> the deputy national committee advises that it is not your intention to attack if congress does not approve it, is he right? president obama: i don't think that is exactly what he said but i think i have answered the question. major garrett. >> thank you, mr. president. those of us remember covering the campaign remember when the military acts it is not important what it does but how it goes about doing. even when america sets its course it is important to engage in the community and listen to dif

rwanda, nobody talked about it. in "the new york times" it wasn't a single op-ed column on that topic. so i think this is par for the course. i think that the american public is against it and i think, at some point, hundreds of thousands -- from now, we will regret that. >> i think congress is going to go along with this. >> you do think congress is going to go along with this? >> oh, yeah. the flag is up and they don't want to explain they let the world down and free world think they are supporting this crazy guy. i say the reason they are going along is they don't have to go home to their constituents. they don't go funerals like i do. they don't have any skin in this game. and they don't have to worry about their families ever being drafted. i say this. for all of these excursions and intrusions militarily, if members of congress thought one minute they thought about drafting their kids and grandkids, you would not see this overwhelming sense of patriotism that you're seeing. so i'm saying there must be other ki

, well imagine if rwanda was going on right now and we asked, should we intervene in rwanda? i think it's fair to say it probably wouldn't poll real well. so, you know, typically when any kind of military action is popular it's because either there's been a very clear direct threat to us, 9/11, or, an administration uses various hooks to suggest that american interests were directly threatened, like in panama again dade today -- grenada, sometimes those folks are more persuasive than others but they're not typically put before congress and again we went through something pretty tough with respect to iraq. so all of that i guess provides some context why you might expect people to be resistant here. >> your deputy national security advisor said it is not your intention to attack if congress doesn't approve it. is he right? >> i don't think that is exactly what he said but i think i've answered, i've answered the question. major garrett. >> thank you, mr. president. those of us who remember covering your campaign remember you saying militarily when the united states acts it is

president, let me conclude by the message conveyed to his excellency of rwanda. the primary response abilities is that responsibility to protect. the agreed objective of maintaining international peace and security would be pointless if the strategic interests prevailed over the lives of innocent men, women and children. i therefore command of the security council for slowly evolving on these issues and rwanda and informed by our experience both in 1994 and in the security council ready to continue working with other member states to ensure that protection and integrity of women and children are always at the center of the decisions. thank you, mr. president. >> i thank you his excellency for the statement and i give the floor to his excellency the permanent representative to the united nations. >> we welcome the adoption of this resolution 2118. with its many provisions we welcome the spirit of compromise that prevails between the negotiators of the text with the permanent members and especially the united states and the russian federation. there is no doubt tha

we know there is a repressive regime in rwanda. we need to have them in a space where they can come a closing to find out what happened in '94, and how they can move forward as a country. lastly, this is a solution for the congo. we need to come through. because of lack o of legitimacy, it's hard to rally the country around him and around the issues of the rebels. >> it has been brought to the attention of the assembly and to the public. thank you very much, indeed, for joining us on this news hour. >>> time for us to go back to europe to our london news cent center. >> reporter: how much money has it got or hasn't got. >> hasn't got. paiparis said it will make cuts. french budget will be cut by $20 million. but there was surprise good news as the out of work number dropped, it's been more than two years since french unemployment has decreased. >>> the economic problems cyprus had to be bailed out by the european union and the ims. our reports from the capital of how people are coping from the broken economy. >> phil is very rich b

and we asked, should we intervene in rwanda? i think it's fair to say that it probably wouldn't poll real well. like the intervention in kosovo. very unpopular. but ultimately, i think, it was the right thing to do. and the international community should be glad that it came together to do it. >> i want to focus on that 1999 intervention in kosovo. and bring in former u.s. ambassador christopher hill who was a special envoy in kosovo, part of the u.s. negotiating team in the peace settlement in bosnia. mr. ambassador, welcome. i know that we often look at history in looking toward how we may intervene in possible conflicts. so some similarities that i found. took more than three years for the international community to step in and stop. in that case it was ethnic cleansing. president clinton worked hard to make the case to the republican congress. it was an air campaign. no boots on the ground as we're hearing from syria. 1 million refugees. death toll is similar. yet despite all of that, what is the biggest difference in your o

. >> it's been nearly 20 years since rwanda's bloody genocide. the country goes to the polls in an election tomorrow. the opposition party says they've been shut out of the political process. the president says the government is trying to avoid political conflicts and violence. we have this report from kigali. >> the closing campaign route for the rwandan patry otic front had the feel of inevitability about it - the celebration of an outcome nobody doubts. the rpf will win the parliamentary election, and win it overwhelmingly. it's critics say that is bus roou wanna is a one-party stake. the rpf crushes its constitution. they say it's not true and point to democracy. >> this group - the freedom of expression. >> the social democratic party is the closest rwanda has to an opposition - winning 14% of the last election and hopes to do better this time. the leader says the party has the space to campaign, that intimidation is not an issue. >> this is democracy rwandan style. he says their role is not to oppose. >> democracy - we bring in a program. w

this is why rwanda awaits the revival of the geneva communique. i take this opportunity to urge the security council, particularly those permanent members who have an influence on syrian parties, to insure that the international conference on syria to implement the geneva communique's convened as soon as possible and that parties negotiate in good faith. and with a sense of responsibility with a goal to finding a lasting solution to end the killing of the syrian people. and i'm encouraged, and i was encouraged by the information provided tonight that an agreement may have been reached on to start geneva ii conference mid november. nonetheless, mr. president, given the horrendous crimes committed in syria, rwandans believe that any political solution shall insure that all those who committed crimes in syria are held accountable before a court of law. with, therefore -- we, therefore, welcome the accountability contained in the resolution, and rwanda will play its part to make sure that they are implemented. mr. president, let me conclude by the mes

, well, imagine if rwanda was going on right now and we asked should we intervene in rwanda. i think it's fair to say that it probably wouldn't poll real well. so, you know, typically when any kind of military action is popular, it's because either there's been a very clear, direct threat to us, 9/11, or an administration uses various hooks to suggest that american interests were directly threatened like in panama or grenada. and sometimes those hooks are more persuasive than others, but typically they're not put before congress. and, again, we just went through something pretty tough with respect to iraq. so, all that i guess provides some context for why you might expect people to be resistant here. >> but your deputy national security adviser said it's not your intention to attack if congress doesn't approve it. is he right? >> i don't think that's exactly what he said, but i think i've answered -- i've answered the question. major garrett? >> thank you, mr. president. those of us who remember covering your campaign remember can you saying that militarily when the united s

tried to do it in rwanda and they're trying to do it now. there is no moral equivalence. [ overlapping speakers ] >> wait just a second. excuse me. excuse me. the president of the united states and the most moral country in the world based on the most moral principles in the world, at least that's the fundamental principle that the united states rests on, cannot allow this to go unchecked. cannot allow this to go unchecked. and i'll tell you what. president clinton, 15, 16 years later, is still apologizing for rwanda. i just spoke to lanny davis who was once his -- once his ally and his -- i'm so emotional about this. >> exactly. and you're right to be. but that is not the state of mind to be thinking right about strategy and policy. >> excuse me. i'm going to finish. i'm going to finish. [ overlapping speakers ] >> it's not emotion. this is history coming out. we have turned our eyes away from some of the most terrible crimes, some of the most terrible crimes. and that is not in america's national interests. >> it is sometimes. >> no, it is

tried to do it in rwanda and they're trying to do it now. there is no moral equivalence. [ overlapping speakers ] >> wait just a second. excuse me. excuse me. the president of the united states and the most moral country in the world based on the most moral principles in the world, at least that's the fundamental principle that the united states rests on, cannot allow this to go unchecked. cannot allow this to go unchecked. and i'll tell you what. president clinton, 15, 16 years later, is still apologizing for rwanda. i just spoke to lanny davis who was once his -- once his ally and his -- i'm so emotional about this. >> exactly. and you're right to be. but that is not the state of mind to be thinking right about strategy and policy. >> excuse me. i'm going to finish. i'm going to finish. [ overlapping speakers ] >> it's not emotion. this is history coming out. we have turned our eyes away from some of the most terrible crimes, some of the most terrible crimes. and that is not in america's national interests. >> it is sometimes. >> no, it is

>> not as far as i conspire. >> he begin that's remark with rwanda, which the current u.s. administration previously has been haunted by the inaction that was taken there. 800,000 killed in a genocide. >> and so should the u.n. have been because the u.n. had been fully warned by the general on the ground at the time and refused to do anything. it's a good way to try to sell it to the people but unfortunately, people have been watching syria for two years now and that, you know, there are massacres and 100,000 people have died is appalling. who are we help something who would we be helping? that was an extraordinary piece in "the new york times" about ten days ago about an western journalist, american journalist, who managed to escape after captivity by jihaddists in syria. he was beaten and was -- he saw people killed. he escaped literally at the risk of his life probably leaving behind him somebody who could not pass through a window that they managed to destroy and probably leaving him to his death. with the man saying go ahead, flee. what we hear about these people is th

we have learned lessons from sierra leone, and the rwanda court and the court in yugoslavia, it has to be immediate, and it could be a rallying point. you yourself said we should send them to jail. well, let's send them to jail. but by killing people and not targeting assad himself may be accountability, but i think there are other alternatives. >> well, congressman, i actually didn't have time yesterday because of our testimony to read "the new york times" editorial, so i would like to read it, but there is a plan in place. the london 11, so-called, have been working over some period of time working internationally. last year secretary clinton joined in in convening with the russians and others in meeting with geneva who resulted with the jeanne have a communique which set up a process in syria, and that's what we're currently supursuing now with france, gret britain, germany, the saudis and others. it may not be working as well as we would like. it may not have had impact as yet fully, we have seen president take response to the attacks of chemical weapons to increase lee tal lethal

world and this country as it relates to rwanda. i think no one wants to see us go to war, but are there cases where the pain and scars that still very much exist, loss of life in iraq and afghanistan, should never be forgotten, but are there ever or will there ever be a situation where the voice of leadership from this country needs to be heard and needs to be the loudest? we're looking at 400 children killed and thousands others there with them. >> i think you're right, tamron. there will be cases and there are cases. but if the united states is going to assume its role of policement to the world, which is what we're talking about and moral leader to the world, which is also what we're talking about, then we're going to have to step up as a nation and say, i am willing to pay the price both in the loss of u.s. lives and in the millions to billions to trillions of dollars that this will cost. >> right. >> u.s. military leaders told president obama in january, to seize the chemical weapons in syria would take 75,000 u.s. troops on t

we know we have samantha power sitting there, who is undoubtedly thinking of the bosnian moment, the rwanda moment, who is saying to the president, yes, again i'm making this up. i do not actually know that samantha power said these things. i am not quoting her. but my bet is there is a line of argument coming from many from the clinton administration that would say, they're worried about your legacy turning into the bush legacy. be careful your legacy not turn into a human rights violation that you did not address legacy. >> susan rice said many times that rwanda continues to haunt her. the u.s. inaction on that. doug, in terms of putting this in a broader spectrum of the obama presidency and his circle of advisers, i think melissa is right to point out samantha power and susan rice and their sort of posture as humanitarian interventionists. i think we would also say if we look at all the issues on the president's plate right now, i do not think the president imagined he would be the president who would be credited with expanding the surveillance state, with getting potentially america inv

two people have been killed in attacks in rwanda's attack. one grenade exploded at a busy marketplace. killing one person and wounding 14, another grenade was decimated in the same area. the attacks happened just. >> parliamentary elections are due tomorrow. in the capitol k actiongali the interesting thing is it makes it look like they are politically coordinated, the targets themselves are not political. we don't know what effect the attacks were intended to have. if they were political, it doesn't seem as though they were intended to have any specific impact on the conduct of the polls. in fact, over the past weeks of this campaign, it has been remarkably peaceful. i have been struck by just how cam the elections have been. we from at the closing election rallies yesterday, and it was surprising how calm the crowd seemed to be, but al the lack of any obvious security. so it does look as though that holds through, we will cereal tiffly peaceful elections form. >> still to come. >> where philippine government forces continue to battle it out

. >> professor ogletree, the president brought up rwanda in sort of this way of, hey, a lot of people gave president clinton a hard time for not intervening in a humanitarian crisis, because ambassador burns brings up a good point. regardless of what happens here, if assad gives up his chemical weapons, he clearly was afraid of being crippled militarily. he's still going to have a military advantage and he's going to be slaughtering a lot of people. >> i think the reality is that -- i'm thinking about what jimmy carter went through when he tried to be presidential and get involved in some battles of lost lives. i'm thinking about bill clinton and the problem with rwanda, how much it affected his presidency. >> he regrets it now. >> absolutely. >> very public about it. >> i'm thinking of george bush who did two great things. people thought the idea of responding to 9/11 was important and yet going in for these weapons of mass destruction turned out to be a failure. and i think right now president obama is saying i'm going to do what i need to do because i think it's the right thing to

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and there are other countries such as rwanda. if rwanda can do it, certainly the united states of america can do it. >> amen to that. stacy ritter are, thanks for joining us on "the ed show,". i just want to point out to our audience, not in a grandiose way in any manner, but these are the real stories that just don't come out about obamacare. you know, we're hung up in the minutia of what are they going to pay, are you going to see your doctor, is there going to be a death panel. all this stuff. but when you listen to mom's talk about how their family is affected, how can can it not move you as a consumer? as a human being? as an american? this is a chance for this country to move forward. and there is a full-throated effort by one political party to stop the whole thing. no wonder darrell issa didn't want stacy ritter to testify. he might have to look her in the eye. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter at "ed show" we appreciate that. and like us on fac

bill clinton famously did not go into rwanda. that is not diplomacy, that is doing nothing. somalia and congo, we are late. that is doing nothing. sometimes we choose to go certain places in africa and elsewhere and sometimes we do not. how do you make that distinction? oragain, inconsistency may may not be a virtue, but it is certainly a reality. i think in each instance, you have to look at your interest. what would be likely to happen if you were to use force or another tool, diplomacy? what would be the consequences, the benefits, and the cost. then you have to make a decision . you have to look at the immediate situation and you also have to take a step back and say if we were to do this, what would it mean for other interest? what tools and resources would this absorb and what would be the consequences of that echo in syria, what would be likely to happen if the u.s. were to act or not act, and what would be the likely consequences for other interest throughout the middle east or in asia? the united states doesn't have the luxury to narrow casted. we broadcast it. peop

it's true in libya, it's true in rwanda, it's true in sierra leone. it's now true in syria. i think we have great opportunities -- i think there is a good chance for fred trick to talk about our shared views here. because we have i think a joint belief that developed countries have to make progress, but we have to have an international framework to address where the increases in emissions are now affirmed. >> i totally agree to that. i think it's been an interesting development off copenhagen. we were saying the u.s. had the highest emissions in the world and china was catching up. now only a few years later we have a situation where china doubled the emissions of the ones we have in the u.s. this is actually reshaping the situation when it comes to climate protection. we are both responsible for lowering our emissions and we are doing so. you we must also face the fact that we very soon have a situation where 25% of the global emissions are from the united states and europe. so we have to take in the 75% outside of the european union and the united states. we want to deal w

it's true in rwanda, libya -- but it's not true in syria? for your first day? yeah. ♪ dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective. that's why i got a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >>> we're continuing the breaking news coverage coming out of the president's news conference in stockholm, sweden, where he talked about launching targeted military strikes in syria for the alleged use of chemical weapons by the regime against the civilians. this has been go on for 2.5 years and there has been a refugee crisis. it has been a heavy strain on neighboring countries taking in those escaping from the civil yard in syria. they meet today with officials from jordan, leb non, turkey, and iraq. nick robinson is joining us now. more than two million refugees have left syria. you have been looking. it's an emotional and heart wrenching development, what is the latest? >> it's very, very difficult for them coming to these countries. jordan has over half a million refugees. this refugee camp is now the fourth largest ci

what we didn't do in rwanda. something of particular concern of his national security ood vizer susan rice when he served in the clinton administration. she regretted that ever since. saying you absolutely have to act and you you have a moral commitment to act. on the other hand, nobody wants to do it. and the rest of the world says, well, we're not sure right at the last minute when it comes time to act. well, you could look at what happened with the president last week and say he had that same moment last friday evening when he surprised his staff by saying we're going to go to congress. now he's finding out, as he said in the news conference, what a tough, heavy lift it is to get this done. i still think he's got a chance, a pretty strong chance actually to get it through the house as well as the senate. it's not easy. he's struggling with it. we could all see it. >> john, obviously the race is now on in particular to win over the house. he said when the members of congress has the full security briefing most