. >> john: john stossel, i want to take pictures of the lobby. i had plenty of time to think about the 12,000 active lobbyists working in washington. they are smart to be here. because washington controls so much but this union doesn't want you to see what they've got. >> i've been notified by our legal department that we're not because of the state of the mural. >> john: the estate wouldn't allow it. oh, well. the bottom line is that washington, once a sleepy part time home for politicians now resembles versailles. they work in buildings that look like palaces and after work they go home to castles. >> the property is on five acres. >> beautiful shower and his and her closets. >> it helps understand why people spend millions to win jobs here and then.... >> once people come to d.c. they never leave. >> john: that is our show. i'm john stossel. market. thanks a lot and thank you for watching. see you tomorrow. ♪ >> none of us should be negotiating on the debt ceiling. she just the listed. john: that is what the big spender say, and they get the

john: thank you. your film is great, and people can simply go to my website and find out how to see it. we will plan more throughout the show. now, when the housing bubble burst about five years ago, the fed committee even more of our money to keeping wall street flow. >> stocks crest today. >> bank of america down. >> the worst day ever on wall street. >> a market driven by fear -- >> involving not just the banks the fed was traded to protect but the hedge funds, investment banks, and insurance conglomerate. john: are you committing in this interview that you're not going to let any of these banks fail. the matter what their balance sheet looks like they're not going to fail. >> they're not going to fail. john: we have the doctrine too big to fail. implied before, but now it was real. it was believed that the fed saved us from another depression an economist from the university of georgia cities this. they say this to mind told. >> they did not save us. first of all, we have had a recession, and a re

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that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: okay. congress kick the can down the road again, but this does not address the irresponsible spending that is going to bankrupt us. tonight we will solve america's debt problems. really. it is not that hard once you stop assuming that what makes america work is government. our politicians did not always believe that government was so important. they used to spend billions less . this week and was trying to think about how i could illustrate this. so we build a big, goofy charge in ticket outside. this is federal spending per person since america began. started low, less than 5 percent of the economy. world war one, or to. it used to go down. now even in peacetime it only goes up. pretty san we are up here. so what is going to happen? >> grandchildren and maybe my children. they will be burdened. >> it is unbelievable the amount of debt that we rack up. >> 20,000 per person. >> it is astronomical. john: this is where we are going >> well, you should stop. john: tt there are some who just hav

that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: okay. congress kick the can down the road again, but this does not address the irresponsible spending that is going to bankrupt us. tonight we will solve america's debt problems. really. it is not that hard once you stop assuming that what makes america work is government. our politicians did not always believe that government was so important. they used to spend billions less . this week and was trying to think about how i could illustrate this. so we build a big, goofy charge in ticket outside. this is federal spending per person since america began. started low, less than 5 percent of the economy. world war one, or to. it used to go down. now even in peacetime it only goes up. pretty san we are up here. so what is going to happen? >> grandchildren and maybe my children. they will be burdened. >> it is unbelievable the amount of debt that we rack up. >> 20,000 per person. >> it is astronomical. john: this is where we are going >> well, you should stop. john: that there are some who just h

john: he has a point. all of the discretionary spending. >> it is important to emphasize with mandatory spending that is about to kick in. this is another increase of the one way ratchet that will kick in on january january 1st. that is what we try to prevent is expanding the entitlement state that many are saying it is unsustainable even before obamacare. the least we can do to protect the american people is to protect them from more expansion of government that we cannot afford. john: thank you senator lee. know i am told is shutting down government is terrible for the economy. simply not paying the government workers takes off the gdp he says there that customers of the business in this country and it sounds enormous if you listen to him but economist at ben powell says the opposite is true. the shutdown could be good for america. >> first of get some perspective if mcdold's laid off 40 percent of non food production rkers and closed up the drive through it and stop putting the toy is is the happy meal

that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: okay. congress kick the can down the road again, but this does not address the irresponsible spending that is going to bankrupt us. tonight we will solve america's debt problems. really. it is not that hard once you stop assuming that what makes america work is government. our politicians did not always believe that government was so important. they used to spend billions less . this week and was trying to think about how i could illustrate this. so we build a big, goofy charge in ticket outside. this is federal spending per person since america began. started low, less than 5 percent of the economy. world war one, or to. it used to go down. now even in peacetime it only goes up. pretty san we are up here. so what is going to happen? >> grandchildren and maybe my children. they will be burdened. >> it is unbelievable the amount of debt that we rack up. >> 20,000 per person. >> it is astronomical. john: this is where we are going >> well, you should stop. john: that there are some who just h

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i like john boehner. i happen to think that he is a good american and wants the government to really do what we're supposed to be doing. is that we're helping people where people can't be helped any pertain further by their own initiatives. i personally believe he is in for a sad awakening next year. and i would like him to stand up and say let's have a clean vote on the budget. that is what we need right now. let's get on with the other issues of the debt and the other issues of where this country is going in terms of its investments. if you look at the last four months in terms of economic growth. if you look at the housing prices and where mortgages are going and where -- now we have a decline, thank god, in foreclosures. we're going in the right direction. but these republicans don't want this president to succeed. and that is where it is at. people are not dumb. they can understand this. i support the health care act, i think it is going to work. they don't want it to be successful. why not? should t

>> in terms of what, john? you know the minority leader nancy pelosi was asked at the very end of that bit that we got to watch together, whether or not there's any ground even a minor ground that they would give on obamacare and she actually before answering looked at one of her colleagues, i don't know if it was van holland or another one, she said no, there's not any ground we are going to give, it was a simple answer. the more they are there saying this is what the senate voted against, everything we send to them, we just want the budget, the budget shouldn't have obamacare attached to it. unless and until we have that, we are going to reject everything that's sent over. i don't know what else they can do. i think it was ali or mike viqueira who said, they just should do nothing. i don't think there's anything else they can do. >> mike do you think striking a balance is important for the democrats at this point? >> i think the democrats feel they have got the republicans on the run in a tough spot. i attend

john: he has a point. all of the discretionary spending. >> it is important to emphasize with mandatory spending that is about to kick in. this is another increase of the one way ratchet that will kick in on january january 1st. that is what we try to prevent is expanding the entitlement state that many are saying it is unsustainable even before obamacare. the least we can do to protect the american people is to protect them from more expansion of government that we cannot afford. john: thank you senator lee. know i am told is shutting down government is terrible for the economy. simply not paying the government workers takes off the gdp he says there that customers of the business in this country and it sounds enormous if you listen to him but economist aten powell says the opposite is true. the shutdown could be good for america. >> first of get some perspective if mcdonald's laid off 40 percent of non food production workers and closed up the drive through it and stop putting the toy is is the happy mea

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the other terrible legacy of john edwards is that john edwards is a really common name. and if you are a democratic politician, say, you're like a democratic politician, white guy, from the south, who's a good-looking, great smile senator with a bright future ahead of him, it must be a drag to also be named john edwards. but virginia state senator john edwards of roanoke is reclaiming the name john edwards in democratic politics, and for the zillions of guys all over the country who have been saddled with the name which makes every wonder whether you're sleeping with your videographer, also, what's a videographer? the virginia john edwards, the centrist state senator from roanoke, virginia, he recently wrote to ken cuccinelli, to the tea party republican, virginia state attorney general, who's now running for virginia, he wrote to cuccinelli to ask if it wasn't a conflict of interest for mr. cuccinelli himself to be presiding as attorney general over any legal disputes in the gubernatorial elections since mr. cuccinelli himself is one of the candidates in that election.

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john: seventh blacks been viims in america? >> years ago, john. blk individuals did not have access to education, housing, jobs. times have changed, and we don't live in that era anymore. john: let's talk about affirmative action, given america's history of discrimination, it seems reasonable t me that whites should try to make amends, tried to give a break to minorities ace th i had. what is wrong with that? before you answer, let's bring in a white person who opposes affirmative action. jennifer gratz was denied admission to the university of michigan, you say because you are white. aviano was because of your race? >> well, they're proud of the fact that they use race and admission to help some people into heard others. the university of machinelike i applied -- johnn not prrudly hurt others. they say they help some. >> when i alied to the university of michigan and a point systemn place. you needed 100 point to be accepted. a perfect act score and an applicant to los points, and a standing as sake was one point. you're bck, as bennett, are nati

tonight, john mayer. this week in unnecessary censorship. and from "scandal", katie lowes, with cleto and the cletones. and now, here's jimmy kimmel! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: thank you for watching at home. i'm glad you are here on day three of -- of the government shutdown. during a speech in maryland, president obama blamed the shutdown on house speaker john boehner. then john boehner blamed it on the a-a-a-alcohol. we are at a stand still. it is costing $300 million a day. that is a full ironman sequel per day. we could be up to "ironman 7" tomorrow. we are not. nonessential government services have been put on hold. flight safety inspectors furloughed. national monuments closed. the grand canyon its closed. they filled it with spackle. passport offices have been closed too. interesting fact. passport lines, take exactly the same amount of time whether the passport office is open or not. one very significant result of the shutdown is, 70% of u.s. intelligence employees are off the job which could make us vulnerable to a terrorist

john: air-conditioning? >> yes,. john: cable-tv? >> yes,. john: how many channels? >> 101. ♪ john: $7.205 per hour. that is the federal minimum wage. could you live on that? have you? what amount of pay is reasonable at what point is is so low that if you work for that you are a victim? >> people got bills. you know, child payment, car insurance, utilities. you know, that doesn't -- the minimum wage is not cats -- john: there have been lots of protests around the country, mostly restaurant workers complaining about low pay. the protests have had an effect. california just passed a bill to raise the state's minimum wage to $10 per hour. most people around me -- i do live in manhattan -- c $10 is not enough, and the government must get in to guarantee those victims of greedy employers more money, a living wage. this, but he is president of the ayn rand institute, and we notice of this person ayn rand was. hugest advocate selfishness? >> i'm advocating that everyone should be self interested. there are many people out there who are interested in working for these rat

does john boehner bring that up? and if he does bring it up, do democrats vote for that and does it pass? >> we have got to see what the final deal looks like, but essentially we're expecting something that we can vote for that comes from the senate that is a john boehner product. and john boehner has to decide whether or not he wants to let the full house vote and try to pass it with 218 votes of the whole house or whether he wants to cling to his speakership and insist on it being 217 votes from his members, driven by tea party extremists who think -- who have literally separated themselves from reality. >> people should beware of the math here. if john boehner wants to pass something with just republican votes, he's only about 18 votes he can lose, and there's 80 people that signed the letter to defund obama care. so if nancy pelosi says i'm not giving you any democratic votes and john boehner only has to pass it with republicans, he basically has to bring it to the floor and get democrats to bail him out. >> he c

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then john boehner blamed it on the a-a-a-alcohol. we are at a stand still. it is costing $300 million a day. that is a full ironman sequel per day. we could be up to "ironman 7" tomorrow. we are not. nonessential government services have been put on hold. flight safety inspectors furloughed. national monuments closed. the grand canyon its closed. they filled it with spackle. passport offices have been closed too. interesting fact. passport lines, take exactly the same amount of time whether the passport office is open or not. one very significant result of the shutdown is, 70% of u.s. intelligence employees are off the job which could make us vulnerable to a terrorist attack. al qaeda release aid video that has the the cia very concerned. [ speaking foreign language ] >> but it seems like you are doing a pretty good job on your own. let us know if you need any help. we will be around. yolo! [ applause ] >> jimmy: yesterday, marlin stuchman, not a name i made up, one of the congressmen response bum for the shutdown. marlin dug his heels in. we are not going t

that is what john was doing. we have heard our government say these men are innocent, they were doing their jobs, they must be released right now. that is what we're waiting for. we're waiting here that clear, unequivocal statement from our prime minister and foreign minister. we're also waiting to hear that if they continue to be ignored in -- and disregarded by the egyptian government, which has been what has been happening so far, then it will be role consequences. we heard just for the first time yesterday from our foreign minister that there will be consequences. he didn't outline what kind of consequences. we would like to hear those consequences outlined. our foreign minister and our prime minister have more power than just issuing statements and making phone calls. there's a huge amount of trade back and forth between canada and egypt. there are a lot of canadian companies that are clamoring to get into egypt right now. to engage in mineral extraction. your was a little miniconference since john and tarek

joining us, john stanton, thank you for being with us tonight. >> good to see you. >> john, my ulcer is back. is there a reason to worry that this vote is not going to happen? >> no, no, no. this stroet wivote will be fine. a fair number of republicans that vote to extend the debt limit and reopen government until early next year. this should go fine. >> what are you expecting in terms of numbers, cushion from the republican votes? >> well, it depend frankly. you know, some of the conservatives like, mulvaney thought republicans will vote with democrats on this. not sure i believe that. a healthy number. 80 or more could potentially end up voting with all of the democrats or most of the democrats to reopen the government and aindividual a debt default. >> what is the mood among the house republican caucus now if we can describe there being one there are different factions that have different feelings. if you could give them an overall -- where would you say they're at? >> well, there isn't one, frankly. i think for most republicans they feel very beat up, bruised that if feel like th

i want to congratulate larry lukino, tom warner, john henry, ben sharington, john farrell, and all the great red sox players. you know, this started off as a really tough year in boston. and i was boston strong and the red sox have made all your fans very, very proud. and so here's the trophy, john, larry and tom. the 2013 world series championship trophy. >> mr. henry, it's been since 1918 that this organization has won a world series here at home. how does it feel winning it in front of all your fans? >> wow. i mean -- i just want to give a shoutout to the unsung sear rows and every one of these guys would like to thank along with ben and john the scouts, the coaching staff, that helped us through this. they're the best in baseball. and thank you to them. john and ben, i think you would join me and larry and tom would in saying that these are the most deserving players i've ever seen. i mean, they play with such heart. what's going on over there? fire? they played with such heart, such desire. wow! >> let me ask you, boston strong has been a motto for this city since april. what do y

john lackey with that brilliant breaking ball. you talked about it. and then tazawa came in the game and uehara did what he's done, particularly since july 1st. and that's just blow people away. >> joe: on the heels of this 1-0 boston victory let's go down to the field and ken rosenthal. >> ken: how tough was verlander tonight? >> yeah, i mean, a lot of talk tonight's game about verlander, verlander's a competitor but go ahead and grab the other side and what john lackey did for the detroit tigers and then adding on with our bull pen. verlander, we -- >> ken: what made lackey so good tonight? >> i mean i got the good old country fastball and at the same time he's threeing 3-0 sliders to peralta for strikes. he had all the pitches working. not a whole lot of shape, had a plan and stuck with it. >> ken: for you guys going up 2-1 now how much bigger is this victory than it might have been otherwise simply because it was verlander? >> with where we're at right now in detroit it was pretty tough. you know it's kind of like feeding the animals, giving them

john? >> reporter: scott, this scheme involves someone with knowledge of the law, legal documents, and the audacity to use the name of a famous judge. it was a less-than-daring escape. in fact, on two occasions-- 11 days apart-- the guards walked the killers out the front gate. joseph jenkins and charles walker, both 34, were serving life sentences at this florida prison when officials released them. it happened after the prison received these forged documents bearing the signature of circuit court judge belvin perry granting a reduction in the two killer's sentences and ordering their immediate release. judge perry said the scheme was low tech but clever. >> if you have some fundamental knowledge-- not a great deal of knowledge but some fundamental knowledge concerning the computer system-- it's easy to go on and lift that signature and affix it on something else. >> reporter: in fact, judge perry's signature may be the easiest to find in florida as the presiding judge in the casey anthony

that was a john boehner who had one thing to say. he is usually jovial with reporters, likes to talk. he didn't want anything to do with us tonight. he wanted to get to bed or plot the next move about how to keep the government open. as far as that question i posed to him, alex, one of the under reported stories here on the hill is these federal workers who will be furloughed. there's no guarantee they get their pay back. you are from d.c. you know how many federal workers there are in the dmv area. i was speaking to a few of them today and there is a real worry because of the appetite of cutting spending in congress you could see it go on a few dans these folks be presented with house saying why should we pay you for days you didn't work. but where we move on from here your guess is as good as mine. the idea to move from confer rhees, that prized them. they didn't see that coming. that was supposed to be the magic bullet that was supposed to solve this. harry reid will table that later on today. the idea is they have to pass a clean

that night, john's immediate boss, mike mctighe, a former marine, asked john to dinner. >> riordon: and just as my steak arrived and i was picking up my knife and fork and he's making small talk, and then he suddenly... he says, "you know, john, one of us has to go back." and i put down my... >> stahl: oh! >> riordon: ...knife and fork and pushed that steak back, and i can feel tears coming out of my eyes. and he said, "would you go back?" >> stahl: go back even though it meant losing his job, possibly losing his life. and yet, 11 days before saigon would fall, the mild-mannered banker defied his bank and better judgment, caught the very last commercial flight into saigon, and walked into the branch. >> riordon: and everybody comes running around me and said, "what do we do? what do we do? how are we going to get out of here?" and everything. >> stahl: but you're there under the authority of who? you're not working for citibank. >> riordon: no one. no one. on my own. >> stahl: on his own authority, john moved them, with their families-- all 105 of them-- into his villa and another one n

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nice and start showing americans just how devastating the republican shutdown really is also speaker john boehner is refusing to bring a clean continuing resolution to the floor even though many in his party would vote for so what's behind his refusal is your friend of being booted out of congress by the tea party crazy. watch that and more in tonight's lone liberal rebel. and later in the show i'll speak with congressman alan grayson to get his reaction to the government shutdown the republican grandstanding and the latest news coming out of capitol hill. you need to know this over the drudge report headlines include things like nine out of ten i.r.s. workers. home but over one million still on the job on fox news yesterday said this isn't a shutdown it's a slowdown the president in a government shutdown has a lot of discretion over what continues running and what doesn't just imagine for a minute that we had a republican president and democrats a shutdown ago. what would the republican president. i think you'd see a clue to that in a ronald reagan responded to the professional air traff

we will hold our breath, john. thank you very much, john harwood, this morning. some of washington's heavy hitters have been weighing in on the gridlock. black rock ceo larry fink expressed optimism washington lawmakers will get their act together before the debt ceiling deadline. >> it will be resolved very rapidly. but i think the most important thing that we must understand, the united states is a standard bearer of the world. people look to the united states as a country that lives by principles. and just the notion and just the conversation of a potential default is just unacceptable. >> on that note let's bring in john manley and john hogan with lazard capital markets. good morning. >> good morning. >> are you as sanguin as larry is? >> i certainly hope larry's right. the middle ground seems to be opening up to, as you pointed out, a larger deal, wrapping both the debt ceiling and continuing resolution together. but talking about things that have to do about the budget and walking away from the debate over obama care. if there's going to be a middle ground,

john? >>> okay. so how did washington get to this point is compromise even possible now with much of the government shuttered? joining us with continuing coverage, she is in washington. so lisa, let's just talk about the situation with the problem that we have with in congress and the lack of good will, essentially. >> that's right. you know, when you talk about exactly how we got here, it has been many bumpy years of partisan divide that led to this point. part of that is politics, a big chunk. part of it is philosophy. but let's start with the politics. where we are at this exact moment is the house has sent over another idea to the democratic-run senate. republicans saying hey, let's have a conference committee and work out our differences. democrats say no. really, all we will agree to is a spending bill with no other changes to it. so essentially, those two sides are just blaming each other. >> the house has voted to keep the government open. but we also want basic fairness for all ame