mark, paul ryan, setting aside the gun safety issue for a second, paul ryan has an interesting history in wisconsin. he did not win re-election by as wide a margin as previous years. in 2008, he got 64% of the vote. in 2010, 68, 2012, 55%. do you think he's vulnerable? do you think more he's the face of gop in washington that helps or hurts him back in wisconsin rainfall it's a balanced district, kind of a purple district. his leadership role cuts both ways in the district. he's not a prominent member, obviously on the ticket, he's not a prominent member who forget his roots. he goes home a lot, travels around a lot. he takes a leadership role taubs about changing entitlements that could be an issue with a lot of voters in that district. it's going to be interesting if congressman ryan is going to risk his job to do what's right. the president will give him cover if they strike a big deal. i think he's also got to consider whether he wants to run for president. it may be that calculus gets tied up in 2014 when he thinks about whether to run or not. >> kathleen, could paul ryan be a ser

because what paul ryan said were things we heard from republicans for awhile. the idea of tax reform, the idea of entitlement reform and more, but that is not something that anybody, really, in the represent can leadership thinks they can achieve in the short term, which is really what we're talking about here. the much more likely scenario, if there is any option right now, is what you and i talked about last night, which is the six-week stopgap debt ceiling increase, and that is the time they'll have to negotiate. it's unclear how much they can get done that paul ryan and others are suggesting, big picture and big changes in entitlements and so forth. >> there was a meeting between house democrats. you got news from a lawmaker that attended. what came out of it? >> that's right, a democratic lawmaker i spoke with said the president was more firm in his commitment to having that temporary six-week increase in the debt ceiling than he has at all in public. he's signalled it in public but much more clear in private and the reason he said he would be willing to d

paul ryan wrote it. i'm going to read it. >> washington insiders may like ryan's op-ed, which did not once mention the word "obama care." but the tea party is not. >> it seems like paul ryan has successfully, well, we'll say angered the right. >> with the tea party rebelling against paul ryan's plan, republican leadership is now poised to go to their old, white conservative base, the people showing up to rallies in tri-cornered hats, saying remember when we told you we would go against obama care? we decided to cut social security benefits instead. >> and you were at the meeting today at the white house with the president. what came of that meeting? >> well, he emphasized the fact that we cannot reward the republicans for shutting down the government. otherwise, they will do it again and again and again. we're talking about a six-week continuing resolution, keep the government open for six week. they're getting to extract the concessions on obama care, or as a condition of reopening it, what will they wa

ted cruz said no. >> but you look at paul ryan. i mean, i'd call that a kind of wilted olive branch. >> a wilted olive branch. >> it was an olive branch. he was saying here are things we can do that maybe will get us out of this. he didn't mention the affordable care act. and one of the problems, one of the reasons i can share a little bit of per respective both side. one of the reasons the democrats in the senate are so adamant about this is they felt like they've already given at the office. harry reid made a deal with john boehner in early september. we're going to take the lower number on the sequester number on the continuing resolution. we hate it. we don't like it. but okay, to get it done. and then the speaker couldn't get the votes. >> and the democrats said to me, the speaker can't deliver a pizza. they're very annoyed with that. >> but he's doing his best. i'm sure he didn't go into his caucus saying, don't let me do this. >> senator let me ask you a question. this has become -- i asked senator durbin about this today, t

you now have paul ryan seeming to walk away from the obama care part of the demand. the op-ed he wrote was strictly back on the comfortable ground of fiscal matters. do republicans in the house understand that they are not going to be able to ransom the affordable care act to implement those changes, because it's undemocratic? do they get that? >> it's a great question, joy. and i think when you look at what republicans are doing, incrementally, they're moving water down their demands. publicly, they're still keeping up this rally cry to repeal or defund obama care. but right now, with paul ryan's op-ed and other behind the scenes maneuvers, they're watering down what they're asking for. now there's just about fiscal talks, rather than a grand demand hearding obama care. >> but robert, do you get the sense that people in the house are mad at paul ryan for dropping the affordable care act piece of the demand or they're secretly relieved he's moving it there? >> i think some are secretly relieved. and the good -- the way paul ryan is handling this is he's being an ally

paul ryan is not part of this defunding obama care. it was hatched by what i call the hell no caucus among house republicans and they are the ones saying to john boehner, you know, we don't want you to give in. so know you have this compromise you're talking about, a short term extension perhaps, but what i hear congress man king saying, which is so interesting to me is that maybe they could come up with some short-term compromise on the debt ceiling, because that's so dangerous, but in a way, still keep the government closed and not compromise on that and still tie obama care to that, so it's a little bit of have your cake and eat it, too. >> yeah, gloria borger, appreciate you, david king. >> you can follow me on twitter at anderson cooper. >>> the death of a young man named kendrick johnson, the official report calls it an accident. new evidence points to foul play and revelations about the treatment of his body are almost unspeakable. >>> another exclusive, another surv surviv survivor, the young woman in that photo is talking abou

." >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan emerged from hiding. >> for a pitch for a debt deal. >> these, use have been talked about before. >> some of the things democrats have already put on the table. >> whether ryan and boehner can sell the idea. >> this is about the republican party. >> to their own conference. >> this is what it is about. >> the fight for the republican party continues. ♪ >>> the reckless and irresponsible standoff over the debt ceiling created by frighteningly ignorant and childish republicans is already harming the country and causing increased government spending. that's right. during the days of the government shutdown, while the buffoons who shut it down think they're saving the government money, they have actually managed to increase government spending already. all of the money that is temporarily not being spent in the government shutdown on federal salaries things like that, all of that, the republicans have already promised they will pay in full when the government shutdown is over. and so the government shutdown itself is saving the government exactly nothing. b

is paul ryan to move forward without obama care. will you get on team paul ryan? >> he's doing the same thing i was suggesting. he was separating the debt ceiling from the c.r. everything in that article was actually about the debt ceiling. it was about how do we get a handle on our debt and the deficits? i actually great with everything. >> why did all your friends jump on him so bad then? >> i think people were misunderstanding what he was saying. i talked to paul today about it. he maid it clear that he was separating both issues. >> my feeling about that as well is he didn't include retch in that. is revenue off the table? >> probably. i hate to do this but because of the time of the program, i have to thank representative. we're delighted to have you back. next we cease fire. we look for common ground. we want to you weigh in on today's fire back question. would reaching the debt limit be catastrophic for the u.s. economy? tweet yes or no using hash tag crossfire. we'll have the results after the break. la's known definitely for its traffic, congestion, for t

paul ryan has had a bunch of health care plans before. that's something that people kind of don't know about him. they've been abandoned by republicans as they drop this strategy of not having a health care plan at all. if you don't have one at all, nobody can attack you for the hard choices you have to make. i think that is really interesting about the kind of approach republicans are taking to obama care right now is that all the republican health care plans including the one paul ryan had in 2009 kind of look like obama care because obama care is partially based on those health care plans. if you look at both paul ryan's plan for people under 65 and also his medicare plan, both of them envision the government setting up exchanges in every state. if you don't believe as a lot of republicans are are saying that it's clear some of this had to fail, if you don't believe the government can set up these exchanges, then all the republican ideas including the ryan budget's ideas on medicare and the previous ryan health care plans can't work ei

ryan. >> paul ryan's going to lay out his -- the conservative health care reform plan in january. he will lay out the republican reform plan in january. >> luke russert asked john boehner about the big republican reform plan today. >> your friend bill crystal said this morning that paul ryan would unveil the house g.o.p. plan for health care reform sometime? january. can you tell us what it will look like? >> i'll let you talk to ryan about that. >> ryan's spokesperson offered this statement on the big republican reform plan. chairman ryan continues his efforts to repeal and replace obama care. today, president obama met with more than a dozen health insurance executives at the white house to discuss open enrollment and the implementation of the affordable care act. and joe mansion announce head is drafting a bill to make 2014 a transition year. but in an interview with joe mansion on fox news tonight, bill o'reilly did not get the democratic party civil war democrats turning on the president thing that o'reilly was hoping for. >> were you surprised, personally surprised that the

they're introducing paul ryan. let's listen. >> it's been slow going. but i want to make the most of this moment. we have an opportunity here to pay down our national debt and jump start our economy. you know, divided government, it's frustrating. but our country is worth the effort. we have to find a way to make it work. now, this president, he won't agree to everything that we need to do. a budget agreement with this president and this senate, it won't solve all of our problems, but i hope it's a start. i hope we can get a down payment on our debt. and i want to ask you for your help. you see, i, too, am a values voter. i, too, believe what makes us different, what sets us apart, is our beliefs. a rich country can be a strong country, but only a good country can be a free country. the way i see it, our job is to preserve our values in the 21st century. we need to apply our principles to the challenges of today. and that means we need to completely rethink government's role in our lives. we need to completely rethink government's role in helping the mo

paul ryan, he's going to be i addressing this conference as well. his op-ed in the "wall street journal" outlining the initiative toss des to deal wit debt ceiling, no mention of all of obama care in that article. what do we expect to hear today? >> we certainly expect him to talk about the negotiations of standing by your values. but we won't see paul ryan here, as you said, in fact, a family research council spokesman told me that paul ryan was very clear for the past couple of weeks that if there was a government shutdown that in fact he would not be able to come here. they worked out a deal. they will do a five-minute have. remember, paul ryan is known within the party of being the big thinker, as being somebody who understands the budget whp while he might talk about issues, social conservative issues or mention them, in paul ryan's really, his go-to is being able to balance the budget and to talking about policier shus that a lot of people can't do. i think that's what we'll hear from him today. >> clearly emerging as a major player in this ef

paul ryan was so interesting to me. when we were watching the roll call last night, when saw that ryan was a nay, it was surprising. he had voted on the fiscal cliff with the leadership a year ago the last time around. he's clearly gotten a lot of grief on that, wolf. he's clearly running in 2016. and then congressman peter king, another republican, sort of said to me last night, look, maybe it's because he's actually on this conference committee. you saw -- you used his picture before that he feels like he needs to let the tea party folks know that he's representing them, i think that was kind of a nice way to put it. i think it's probably a lot more political than that. >> probably right. the pew research center, new poll that came out, view of the tea party, it's gone 25% unfavorable view back in 2010. it's up to 49% unfavorable right now. favorable went from 33 to 30. a lot more people know about the tea party now than knew about it in 2010. and that's why you saw this big increase from 25 to 49 unfavorable. >> what

paul ryan is much more about getting those entitlement cuts and ted cruz is still talking obama care. >> and i read the op-ed that eric cantor, the majority leader in "the washington post." certainly he didn't make that the central issue. >> no. because now they have done this pivot and we saw the speaker go on the house floor this morning talking about obama care, talking about the glitches because they also have to get to that message because they haven't been doing that very effectively. so in all of this i think they kind of understand that they -- that their message has been unmuddled, it's been unpopular and in many ways they have promised conservatives something that they can't promise, defunding obama care. they knew all along, wolf, that could never happen. >> the president is not going to go along with that. >> of course. >> at 3:00 p.m., we're going to be covering the announcement of janet yellen if she's confirmed by the senate. she has a good chance of being confirmed. we'll see what happens in that fight. stand by for that. >>> frustration grows over the obama care websi

paul ryan. mr. ryan was forced to cancel his in-person appearance at the value voter summit in washington today in order to work on a detail to avert a debt ceiling crisis. instead, he pretaped a fresh message of, well, the same old lines you've come to expect. >> we need to apply our principles to the challenges of today. and that means we need to completely rethink government's role in our lives. we need to completely rethink government's role in helping the most vulnerable. we need to completely rethink government's role in health care. that means we can never give up on repealing and replacing obama care. >> and joining us now is joan walsh, editor at large of salon.com and chris hayes, my colleague. chris, we're now being told that paul ryan is the savior for the nation. are we supposed to give him a standing ovation, because he suddenly realized that defaulting is actually a bad thing for the country? >> well, i think what's remarkable about it was, there was a real moment for about 24 hours -

paul ryan ghostly white house with a plan. not sure what the recession will be but he will be talking to the president. banks of the big, by the ay. take a look at jpmorgan, up nearly 2%. a big again for a stock like jpmorgan. now listen to this. we have what could be the smoking gun in the irs scandal. david asman knows more about this than anybody. he has been following it and he has got it. david: the smoking gun or e-mails between irs official who deals with the white house on issues of obamacare and the white house officials, these materials have redacted information that is apparently confidential information that is not supposed to be had by the white house. there is supposed to be a wall between private, confidential information and what the white house and other public officials can look at. that wall has been broken. stuart: is confidential information about taxpayers. david: we don't know precisely what information is because the black of information says 6103. it is an irs code that says you cannot have information

. >> paul ryan -- paul ryan is a true believer. >> that's right. >> and it's pretty darn ugly. >> and you're saying that man should put forth his own self interests? >> i wouldn't say first. i would say only. >> that's liberty. that's freedom. that's the american idea. >> paul ryan's own work of rand fan fiction, the republican budget. >> they want to fight another day. >> we are sort of shadow boxing. >> the special technique of shadow boxing. >> shadow boxing the big government in theory. >> fine, let's get it on. >> that's what we're beginning to talk about. ♪ >> jerry, show me the money! remember that movie? you know, folks, i just can't get away from this number. it's been in my head for the last 24 hours. $24 billion. you know, now we're on to another news cycle. this was yesterday's story, $24 billion. now we're off talking about, well, glitches in obama care. we're back to that. everybody is all over there in the conservative media. very little if no commentary has been given by any conservatives on just what the heck $24 billion is to our economy. this is a total disregard

does paul ryan pay a price? he's involved in this. >> i'm not going to venture a prediction on this one. we're two days away from a possible government default. we have no idea how it's going to play out politically and the consequences. one hopes actually they would be fairly severe for a lot of people who brought us to this point. >> the district. his district is one of the few out there that aren't written so he has a very hard line sort of republican base there. in that sense, he could actually face -- >> he does have a ton of money and he will have a ton of money. >> he's already raised $1.7 million in the first six months of the year, just shy of what glenn thrush raised in the first months of the year. in the final art of getting over our skis if paul ryan does win, there's a question of who takes john boehner's place, if john boehner is out. who is next in line. >> three words speaker louie gomer. >> you don't think that's going to happen? a chill ran up my side. >> everyone assumes eric cantor wants the

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that is why i support paul ryan's budget support -- paul ryan's budget proposal. he is doing an excellent job at the moment. a need a glide path back to house budget. i am committed to working with others in congress to achieve that result. thank you for your call. james from seattle, washington, a democratic caller. you are against immigration, you're against women's rights, [indiscernible] and theput a surplus in next year we give it all array -- all away. to the democrats come he have to stand strong if you want us to come out of this. this paul ryan budget of which andhave agreed to cuts gdp discretionary spending from 16% down to four percent. government is in the bathtub. the government funding level is already a compromise by democrats. the number is way below what they wanted and what the president had wanted. good: i think that is a point. inc. you for your question. the fact that there was a surplus. -- thank you for your question. the fact that there was a surplus, i think the democrats should be giving credit. i think there should be bipartisan credit.

almost paul ryan's numbers have become a centrist number. he's injected this back into this at a time when we thought he was -- we move beyond sequestration into a new grand bargain moment. you're hearing talk of means testing medicare. >> means testing, receiving subsidies from obama care. >> means testing medicare. >> and a grand bargain. >> any time i heard the word "grand bargain" i first of all run for the hills. i also think how it's nickel and dimed working people in the country who have borne the brunt of the cuts. if there's a grand bargained and we have paul ryan as centrist position, i talked to eleison. they are driving hard to push it to newer levels of higher funding and bring in immigration, some of the priorities lost in a contrived crisis that has truly moved this country away from investment in the infrastructure of this country, immigration reform, which we need. never forget the deficit is falling. interest rates are still as low as we've seen in recent memory. so the possibility to invest and not gut and extract revenue

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paul ryan voted against it, defying the leadership. for republicans it will be dealing with the intern flip of the party. the ill will is not between democrats and republicans and tea party and non-tea party republicans. >> we were not going to defund obama care. that's why we had an election in 2012. that's part of what that was about. the republicans have a hole they have to come out of and obviously we have to do a lot of work. >> senate republicans were attacking house republicans in every venue from every front. it should have been the senate republicans that rode to support the courageuous stand house republicans were taking and instead they were the air force bombing our own troops. >> it is probably symbolically the two best examples. the conservative blogs are railing against the establishment and making it clear they want to punish somebody. that somebody is not a democrat. >> i was pondering if i can ever remember a greater political disaster in my lifetime. if i can remember a time when the political party just made a decis