i think peter king lives in the age that no longer really exists. look, this is the claim that uses power faction whenever they engage in mass surveillance, which is they try to tell the population -- don't worry, we're doing this because we love you and want to protect you. this is for your own good. in every single case when powerful sanctions are allowed without accountability, it is radically abused. that is what makes it so dangerous. it is not surprising people like peter king are finding common cause with people like diane feinstein or even nancy pelosi, leaders from both political parties to defend these systems because they do invest those in power with extreme amounts of authority to do all sorts of things that people in power always wanted to. >> diane feinstein in fact is introducing legislation that would codify the nsa spying that would grant the nsa explicit authority to gather records, listing the numbers, duration, and time of all u.s. telephone calls. >> right. is there anything more indicative of just how broken washington is that

you played the clip of peter king. we saw last week bob corker and going after ted cruise that the republican party is not united on this. >> the president does not feel politically. >> heading for a shut down. thank you. >> joining me now is congressman democrat from minnesota. what have you been told to expect in termsover votes? >> we have been told to keep our putter dry and be ready. we have learned that the senate has rejected yet again the house bill that would try to delay. and we have been told to stay ready, stay up, keep my tie on and be ready to come down to the house floor. >> go ahead. >> i can tell you this, alex. if the speaker just did what is sensible to do, i am confident that there's enough democrats and sensible republicans to keep the government open. >> the leadership of the republican party does not want that. there are 150 republicans who would vote for a clean bill of funding. >> the republican caucus seems to be dominated by a small group of very, very extreme individuals. it seems to be that

peter king, sure venom for one republican, what is going on with the gop? >> well, i understand where peter king is coming from. that is really passing the buck. the blame really lays at the feet of the republican party. each of them has a vote in their own right. they have the opportunity to do the right thing and not shut the government down and hold the economy hostage with affordable care act as ransom. and instead, they went with the tea party. and in fact, my counterpart at the rnc today actually urged the house republicans to stay the course and to hang in there. we're about to default. and jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. their leaders are still fanning the flames. >> we had this extraordinary rally on sunday, the million-vet march where senator cruz was. and we -- listen to what was said about the president of the united states. >> i call upon all of you to wage a second american non-violent revolution, to use civil disobedience, to put the qaran down. >> he said we want a president who doesn't bow down to allah and is not

peter king, why were you unsuccessful? you only needed 17 votes to stop it. and you had even a handful. >> yeah, there was probably 20 who would have or could have voted our way. there are two things involved. one was, the speaker did make appeals to them. and there was no pressure, i was there when he talked to them. basically a vote of confidence for him so he can follow this process through. and another thing, they were concerned this would be not a vote to keep the government open, but a vote against their staff members. >> now, take us behind the scenes, into the conversations when the speaker of the house is talking to you and some of the other moderates who could have blown this whole plan up, and how he convinces you to stick with him. >> well, he was more persuasive with the others than me, no, basically, he is a good friend, he said he had faith in them. he understands the pressure we had, he understood the frustration but let him play this out. and pretty much assured us this would work out. he didn't say how or why, but he is one person, john boeh

peter king, sure venom for one republican, what is going on with the gop? >> well, i understand where peter king is coming from. that is really passing the buck. the blame really lays at the feet of the republican party. each of them has a vote in their own right. they have the opportunity to do the right thing and not shut the government down and hold the economy hostage with affordable care act as ransom. and instead, they went with the tea party. and in fact, my counterpart at the rnc today actually urged the house republicans to stay the course and to hang in there. we're about to default. and jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. their leaders are still fanning the flames. >> we had this extraordinary rally on sunday, the million-vet march where senator cruz was. and we -- listen to what was said about the president of the united states. >> i call upon all of you to wage a second american non-violent revolution, to use civil disobedience, to put the qaran down. >> he said we want a president who doesn't bow down to allah and is not

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just setting himself up to be sort of an independent an independent voice nobody thinks peter king has and any even remote chance to run for president he's got no back he thinks no he's but he's ease he's representing the interests of probably three quarters of the republican caucus now. i mean we have to we have to control the spending we have to control the debt and we have to defund it all spend it we've cut the obama has cut the deficit in half no that was that's a fraud no it's not because it's gotta have it because the more you know if you'll if you lower the parity i know what you're talking about look at the seven trillion dollars that obama has run up virtually all of it eight more than eighty five percent of it is either the bush tax cuts the war in iraq or the war in afghanistan he got us out of the war in iraq he's cut back on federal spending republicans of just borrowed eight they just borrowed eight hundred billion dollars but they waited until after october first so it wouldn't be credited against the two thousand and thirteen deficit it was a fraud all these of these t

the presiding officer has served many, many years with peter king. i personally have watched his voting record. i don't like most of it. but he's speaking out. i admire the man for doing that by shutting down the government -- and that's what's happened -- we're satisfying the koch brothers and ed meese, but millions of people in america are suffering. obamacare is not going to disappear. it's here. john mccain -- i'm sorry. the senior senator from arizona gave a speech here within the last week or so, and he said, "i don't like obamacare. i campaigned against obamacare when i ran for president. i campaigned against it when obama ran the next time." he said, "we lost. it passed. he's president. elections have consequences." that's what the senior senator from arizona said, and he's right. obamacare is not going to magically disappear. tom freedman, a renowned journalist, his bipartisanship has been legendary. he is a brilliant writer, chief correspondent for "the new york times" for many years in the middle east. he's could have had all parts of the

peter king defended the surveillance saying nsa intelligence programs keep everyone safe. >> the reality is the nsa has saved thousands of lives not just in the united states but also in france and germany and throughout europe. and, you know, the french are someone ones to talk. the fact is they carried out spying operations against the united states, the government and industry. as far as germany, that's where the hamburg plotted began which led to 9-11. they have had dealings with iran and iraq, north korea and the french and the germans and we are not doing this for the fun of it. >>> protesters took to the stree streets out the capitol to demand congress research the nsa and say it needs to come clean about its surveillance program. >> but i think the revelations from snowden and the secrets that have been revealed are doing significant damage to our bilateral relationships with germany, with mexico, with the other countries where the suggestion is that we have listened in. so, i think we have repair work to do, and i think we have hard questions we need to ask of the nsa about what

they could have voted with peter king on the rule and spared all of us. what is it about the culture or psychology of the modern conservative movement that keeps those folks silent? >> well, at least in congress, it's perfectly understandable. you've got these crazy tea party people, you've got a primary system, where a very few number of people decide who the nominee is of the republican party, in a given congressional district. these people have unlimited sources of money, from the koch brothers, from the club for growth, from the various billionaire plutocrats. we have seen people like sharron angle and christine o'donnell and richard mourdock and todd akin and other complete and total crackpots who have gotten the republican nomination for the senate. you've got even lower, dumber people who are capable of winning the congressional -- the nomination for congress in any congressional district. but why are exmembers of congress, why are ex-administration officials, why are people who have no races to run for, why are they afraid? i don't know. i want to

peter king from new york is joining us. thanks very much for coming in. >> these poll numbers are awful, but awful for everyone right now. the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll vote to defeat every member of congress, 60% of the 34er7b people say, yes, 35% say no. you've been in washington, you've been around for a long time. has it ever been this bad, this lack of faith? congress. >> wolf, i don't think so. i was here during the impeachment, i've been here during some rough times, obviously here in 2008 during the melt jon. no, i've never seen anything like this. i think the numbers are especially bad for republicans. the fact that the gap between democrats and republicans has widened. the fact we are down to 24. this was very predictable going back three, four weeks ago when ted cruz started us on this maniacal crusade. it couldn't go anywhere, it antagonized the american people and a totally fraudulent effort. now it's time to break loose from this, open the government, work the best arrangement we can on the debt ceil

congressman peter king, from the house homeland security committee he joins me now. thanks for being with us on this monday morning. do you believe, that the president didn't know this program was happening in germany. >> first of all i don't know what happened with angela merkel and that is classified information. let's assume the facts are true, it was being tapped. i can't believe the president did not know. first of all he didn't know, he certainly should have known. hard too believe that he didn't know when he is briefed on these things. they usually give citation where the information comes problem. if he was giving any information at all about merkel or any other world leader, the person briefing him or briefing book he would get would almost have to say where it came from especially since it would be so controversial. , so sensitive i should say. i can't believe that as commander-in-chief, as pat president of the united states, that if it was being done he didn't know about it. martha: i thought george will had an interesting comment on this on "fox news sund

please do give a warm new hampshire welcome to congressman peter king. [applause] >> thank you very much. let me first thank jim for finding the one good thing that "newsday" said about me. [laughter] it is probably good for us that we don't say too many things about each other. it would probably be better to hire a translator so you could understand my new york accent. i'm still doing my best to figure out new hampshire. there are some new yorkers here. we have some people who lived in my neighborhood for a while. it is interesting. you hear about these old parochial irish and italian and jewish neighborhoods where you basically didn't know people beyond the three or four blocks where you lived. we have thousands of people living on each street. there's only one guy on our street who ever went to college. he went to saint anselm's in new hampshire. he kept coming back every two or three months and told us about the great time he was having. it is a great school. when i was one of the architects of the successful giuliani campaign we went to saint anselm

let's bring in peter king from new york. he's called this government shutdown, like so many people out there, a disaster. congressman, if you were in that meeting, what would you say to resolve this crisis? >> first of all, i have been very critical of the rpgs. however, also very critical of president obama for waiting so long to get involved. i would try to see if thebl put together a comprehensive agreement, so our country doesn't go through this. if they could even find a way to call a cease-fire over the next few weeks and put elements on the table. again, the president is going to be leaving. it shall be as encompassing as possible. the debt ceiling is the key issue here, if this tinges resolution debate goes on, and the government continues to be shut down, it will only add more pressure and be much more damaging. >> would you like to see congressman, what's called a clean continuing resolution? as part of the conditions that both sides work out a -- separate from these two issues? >> i would certainly want the clean

joining me right now is peter king of new york and charles dent of pennsylvania. both of whom have challenged their party on the government shutdown. a new quinnipiac poll shows the americans do not agree with shutting down the government to stop the health care law. 22% to 72%. when you look among republicans, there's a majority support for a federal government shutdown. republicans favor it by a narrow 49% to 44%. it's republicans in favor and democrats who oppose. i know these numbers will change over the next several days. peter king, i want to did you -- i'm not putting any words because i'm not sure where you're at with the party or the country. i'm going to give you full time without interruption to explain peter king's position on this situation where we have a shut down u.s. government. >> chris, there's absolutely no reason for the government to be shut down. this was a fool's errand that was started by ted cruz. we can't just blame him. we have to also blame his accolades in the republican conference. 30 or 40 of them who stood with him, who were willin

when we say washington and that's the thing peter king brought up today. this notion of clumping washington in as both sides equally to blame for this, he's a republican saying that that's not -- >> it's clear the republicans are to blame for the mess and 60% said throw them all out. there is high dissatisfaction with congress. congress's ratings overall -- >> 5%. >> this is a washington issue and does not help matters. it is true the republicans have painted themselves into a corner and we're going to be having this conversation for a little while yet. if we turn to medicare and means test on medicare, we'll have this debate on the democratic side. >> as we talk about small businesses, this is all big picture. what i want people to understand, who's actually being affected, right? the small tour operator operating outside the park losing potentially months worth of revenue and guy who sells bagels who doesn't have customers anymore. when we talk about these big things, bring it home to this is these people's livelihood. >> this is why i think the reaction

i don't know if you heard peter king. but at the top of the hour he referred to what ted cruz is doing as a fraud. and said that the republicans need to stop listening to ted cruz ruffle worried the gop could lose the majority because of this? >> if we go back to 1996, the last time there was a shutdown, the republicans reteenage their control of the congress. they lost some ground admittedly. but the next election is a million years away from now. i heard the legacy mentioned by the last guest. and the legacy here is at stake. obama care is the singular accomplishment of this president. and as long as he has a political advantage, as long as his poll number show that he is doing okay, he is going to stay where he is. he has no reap. he can play golf on saturday. harry reid cannot go to work on sunday and they're happy to have this last as long as it takes. >> they can take advantage of the gorgeous fall weather. i say that, i guess i'm joking but in a disgusted manner. speaking last night, chris christie weighed in. obvi

peter king is mixing apples and oranges. i agree with him, nsa spying that protects our national security is critical. but he is lumping in this what i would call gratuitous spying on our leaders that could have enormous consequences for our national security. >> what if this is just trust but verify? >> listen, in the end trust but verify comes down to a very simple proposition. they all knew that we're spying. they do it, everybody does it. but the fact of the matter is, is that there's gambling going on upstairs. all of a sudden there's a revelation. it's the damage that was done now, thomas, and the biggest concern that i have is that we really didn't have to be snooping on chancellor merkel's phone conversations to know what's going on in germany. we didn't have to be doing this. this is an nsa that has run out of control at this point. >>> so reform on the rocks. even senator marco rubio admits that efforts to change immigration reform and the law not going so good. the agenda panel will weigh in on that coming up. >>>

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republican congressman peter king says cruz's tactics have had the opposite of their intended effect. >> no one has done more to strengthen obama care than ted cruz. since he started this crusade of his, the fact is over the last ten days support for obama care has gone up 7% in the country. not because obama care is working, not because it's played out well at all, but because he has given such a bad image to the anti-obama care forces. so president obama and the supporters of obama care should thank ted cruz because he is their biggest ally right now. >> conservative columnist charles krauthammer says he wasn't ready for the ride the took people on. >> how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care? explain that to the me. has he ever explained it? and where is he now? are the generals? what's their strategy to get abolition of obama care? >> and haley barbour said of cruz's attempt to stop the health care law, quote, it never had a chance. and he's a smart fellow. eugene robinson is a columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc analyst. tim saltz worked for mike huck

. >> peter king, republican from new york. when the house did vote on the relief bill for sandy, 179 of peter king's colleagues in the house voted no. and that's on top of the 36 republican senators who also voted no. including ice storm relief senator tom coburn. last night tom coburn actually came to new york for a fund-raiser, on the one-year anniversary of sandy hitting the northeast. after voting to deny the city, he shows up on the one-year anniversary to raise the money. also in the region, raising money on the anniversary of sandy devastating the tri-state area, was senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky. who nevertheless, two nights ago was fund raising for himself. as something called the bell haven club in -- this is what the bell haven club looked like one week after sandy. he voted no on offering any help and he waited until the one-year anniversary of the devastation that he didn't want to help with. then he showed up to ask for money. just as peter king was furious about what happened seven months ago, now he's a r