will this cost him his speakership? >> it's not looking good for him right now. not only has he shown he's not able to handle the hard right wing of his party, he's also shown that he's not able to kind of putting to and piece together a deal with the shutdown now two weeks long. you know, i think that the worst thing for his speakership as far as him being re-elected is if he's forced to put through something that the senate proposes whether it's today or tomorrow that gets very little gop support in the house. that's the point at which there could be some kind of a conservative revolt and his speakership could come to an end. either way i don't think he merges from this looking either strong or a good bet for winning speaker again. i don't think you can have both of those things. >> quickly, the million dollar question, i want your opinion on this. do you think that congress will pass the debt ceiling deal before the deadline. >> it's so hard to say right now. i think that there is some optimism as far as what the senate is doing. the problem with what the sena

i will devote my speakership but by god, we are going to move past this impasse. it must be attractive to him for the reasons margaret said. it is not like the job is that great. you are hanging onto a job where you are subject to ritual humiliations. >> he says we will not default on the debt. maybe this is his moment. and when you get up -- can i play? no! you don't even get football. [ male announcer ] when you've got 100% fiber optic fios, you get it. america's fastest, most reliable internet. it's the ultimate for downloading, streaming, and chatting. -- that guy all over the football field. thanks, joe. ie f the running backs don't stt picking up the blitz, the quarterback is going to have a long night. is that your sister? look, are you trying to take my job? b?maybe technology that lets you play with the big boys. call the verizon center for customers with disabilities that's powerful. at 800-974-6006 tty/v. >> more choices, more competition, and in many cases, more prices. many americans will find they can get hovered for $100 or less. >> in ter of news c

. >> do you think the speakership is in trouble? >> it is in trouble every day of the week. that is why he walked away from the deal several years ago. it is why -- he was proposing a clean cr and he could not get it through his own caucus. he is in trouble all the time. john probably knows who would succeed him. even the people who we thought had a knife at his back all the time, they are in trouble, too. a reporter was making the point to me the other day, the issue is john boehner personally. it is not his rivalry with eric kantor. dominant caucus inside the republican party simply does not trust him. if he says yes to everything opposedand they will be to it precisely because it is identified with him. he has become that radioactive within his own republican party. >> that means that john boehner still can preserve his speakership by his reputation and that is to look at the question of the debt ceiling that he knows what the consequences could be if we default. john boehner can get the votes to raise the debt ceiling. >> democratic votes. >> he can get democratic votes

if he loses his speakership, so what? there are some things in this world and for politicians like me, there are things that have to be worth losing for. and saving the american economy, saving our good faith and credit around the world, that's got to be risking losing for. i agree with you. i think if he did it, he doesn't lose. >> i think he's edmond burke and winston churchill. >> he's got to do it. >> you're not all sitting there looking at the polls. thank you former governor of pennsylvania. >>> coming up, the gop kamikaze caucus. those who to bring down obama care and. >>> and simple question, who's your leader. where would they point to? who is running that group now? the elected leaders in congress, maybe. we'll see? the next two days. >>> plus nobody's buying the republican malarkey. >>> this is "hardball," the the place for politics. >>> disapproval for republicans in congress continues to reach record levels. a new "washington post"/abc news poll finds 3/4 of americans disapprove the way congressional republic

speakership if he continues it for sure. we just had a poll in 24 republican districts and found if they shut down the government, to of those are losing to democrats. we only need 17 seats to take back the house. he is jeopardizing not only his speakership, but certainly jeopardizing it in two ways. >> well, we're going to talk a lot about that ahead, but let me ask you, a new poll says that people are clear who to blame nor the shutdown. 70% of americans disapproves of republicans in congress. that's up 7% in just one week. republicans have tried all kinds of piecemeal bills to fund the government and avoid blame for the shutdown. but congresswoman, do these numbers show that is not working the way they're trying to shift the blame in this discussion? >> the funny thing is they're discovering the government really does do important things. the first thing was oh, you mean when we shut down the government that the monuments like the world war ii monument aren't going to be open? and one by one, they're figuring it out. that

might boehner lose his speakership over this? and should it matter or in this case should he put the country before politics, as has been said? >> well, somebody has to lead the house republicans. somebody has to be the speaker, no matter what. and it's hard to envision anybody doing it effectively, considering, you know, what congressman cummings said earlier, that the republican party is at war with itself. you do have these warring tribes with mutually irreconcilable goals. they are the majority in the house but aren't a cohesive majority. so whether it's john boehner or somebody else, it's just not going to be possible to get them all on the same page in a consistent manner, i don't think. >> we've got that deadline, joe, 14 hours is what has been put out there so far. there's debate, right, still as to whether we will go over and we will default on that which we owe and must pay. a pew poll finds 69% of tea partiers do not think there will be any major consequences if we do go past the debt ceiling deadline tonight. steve ki

speakership? >> it seeps in account at least 17 republicans suggested it would go. now it's 20 for a clean cr. they need 17. >> i don't know that, i don't have a crystal ball. the optics are obviously shifting pretty much, but to answer the second question, would john boehner lose his speakership and i don't want to gloss over this and i don't want to belabor this. there's a large majority of the house of representatives listening to the constituencies and when one says listen to the american people, they are are, but they're listening to a very specific part of their base and you can't dismiss that. are you willing to throat baby out with the bathwater and not look at the common good and look at the big you are picture and no one is willing to do that especially on the republican side. >> there was a headline in "the atlantic" about ted cruz saying he's protesting the shutdown that he asked for saying, quote, last week the texas senator wanted to #makedclisten by shutting down the government unle

in the majajity in the house. >> for john boehner to risk his speakership seems on every issue, this, immigration. i have a suspicion this is not based on good reporting, that this guy does to the want to be speaker at the end of this term. it really is a miserable job right now. and really stark contrast to chris's old boss tip o'neill where it was really fun to run the house. challenging but fun this guy doesn't have any fun. there is no enjoyment. he doesn't control his own destiny. so i think at some point, in either the debt ceiling or in this, you are right, he is going to have to do away with the so-called-- rule, pass the bill with a lot of democrats and a minority of republicans. and that's just going to make his position all the more precarious. >> rose: there is also this factor. go ahead, david, you want to say something. >> i was going to say the dynamics for the speaker are terrible. because, because if you think about the republican caucus, what he's got is a majority of republicans who really don't want to compromise on almost anything with the democrats. but then he'

he can't have his speakership more important than the country. last question. >> if john boehner does allow to just vote on this clean continuing resolution, who would likely be the next speaker of the house? >> the safety, security of this nation and economic welfare of this country is not john boehner. john boehner is going to let his speakership be more important -- 72% of our intelligence community is out of work. they can't do their job. you have people who can't get care. sick babies, sick everybody, they can't get the help they need. i can't say it is well -- i am never good with words. i will close with this. house republicans continue the lifeboat strategy. deciding which government functions are worth saving. here are some of the functions not in the lifeboat. market regulation, chemical spill investigations, antitrust enforcement, immigration checks, workplace safety inspections. nutrition for 9 million children and pregnant women. housing and rental assistance for the poor. if john boehner thinks his speakership is more important than

at risk. >> for the country, who cares about -- shouldn't he not care about his own speakership? if it gets the government going? >> i'm going to stipulate that the president is an intelligent man. can we stipulate that? so you're sitting across the table from somebody, and your condition is destroy your speakership. i don't think that's a very successful negotiating tactic. i also don't think it's a very successful negotiating tactic to ask 230 republicans in the house who are in districts that he carried only 17 of compared to when bill clinton was president, he had carried as many as 70 of those districts. all right? and to ask them to give him a credit card with another trillion dollars on it with the bank of china on that credit card and ask for nothing in return? no entitlement reform? no changes of obama care when obama himself has unilaterally made 17 different changes in obama care? >> so paul -- >> including suspending the employer mandate which senator tom harken has said in the "new york times" is illegal? >> it's okay for obama to do that but he won't sit down and di

day someone would challenge him for the speakership and dislodge him. so he has to make a decision. is he the adult in the room or is he continuing to try to placate the crazies? and if we're going to re-to government at the end of the day, boehner is going to have to put before the house a major that will come out of the senate with bipartisan sthaupt will be passed with democratic votes in the house and put his speakership at risk. and if he doesn't step up to do that, actually, he must step up to do that, because it is unimaginable that we will actually default on our debt for any length of time. >> while republicans push, new research shows according to the associate press, social security recipients as well as disabled veterans and federal retirees will see their pay rate rise among the smallest rises since it began 1975, the exact size of the cost of living adjustment is unknown because a key has been shut down. but i want to ask you about medicare and social security. president obama has said this is negotiable and sthnt what many have felt for a

they said this is not about the speakership and winning the next election, it's about doing the right thing for your country. >> i think we're going to go to breaking news. we have members of the house republican conference, looks like they might speak or at least have come out of the meeting which is why we wanted to go right to it to take a look. and they are dodging the press. you're seeing live footage of what happens when the press is dodged. we wanted to show whether they would stop to speak which sometimes they have been doing. i don't think we can overinterpret the silence because we have votes ideally scheduled coming out of the senate. >> ari is not going to over interpret something? breaking news on "the cycle". >> breaking news in the house to breaking club house news. >> that's right. you think about that. >> i was just pointing out that women really should have a strong role in congress. that's more important than these gop members walking by without being able to say anything. >> i had the privilege of working for one member of congress, maria cantwell and organized by

or he loses his speakership, and it gets very personal. that's why you need outside mediation, it's not going to happen, and they're not going to listen to me. >> do you think that he's going to lose his speakership? he's close to it? >> i don't think he's close, but i think if he makes a wrong move, there are 40 votes he won't get in a caucus. >> liv i've been trying to see e has a way out. >> he needs to test vote to see if those republican tea party guys are that strong, whether they will stick together or if some will peal off. because a deal will happen with the moderates in the house. he should test vote them. that's in the negotiation, you want to eventually get the other side to show you their stuff. >> there has been a lot of talk, and the republicans are complaining about the fact that the president won't negotiate. the president has been unwilling to negotiate. has the president led in this circumstance? >> my view is he has negotiated. i think in some instances, he might have gone in a little earlier, but i think in the end, th

and -- i mean, this is -- this may be his speakership on the line. but this is the country's economy on the line and the country's reputation on the line. >> it does -- senator, it doesn't sound like whatever deal mcconnell and reid come up with is going to be a problem for a yes vote. that it will override the stupidity of ted cruz getting in the way again. >> i think if mcconnell and reid come up with something and i think they're close, they'll get overwhelming support. >> okay. >> if not unanimous from democrats it, close to it. and a lot of republicans. so we'll have an overwhelming vote in the senate. and boehner has got decide, does he want to do the right thing or playing games. chris van hollen a minute ago said they really do buy into this prioritization. you pay off some of the chinese bond holders in wall street and a few pension funds and you may delay social security a little bit, but we'll get through this. no, this is a high-risk, terrible idea in lurching from manufactured crisis, one to another, is terrible for our country. that's w

is speaker boehner's speakership threatened? >> not in the short term. that is a bit of a surprise. as i was saying, i think he faced a choice between risking his speaker ship and putting that on the floor or risking the world economy and he did the second. he allowed his own internal dynamic within the republican conference to exhaust itself and punch themselves out to the point of exhaustion. you saw that last night. they didn't even bother to show up on the house floor to debate this thing. i've neve seen anything like it in 23 years of covering washington, something of that magnitude flying through the house in less than an hour with very few republicans coming to the floor to talk about it. those that did was a dying breed, the mod receipts, charlie dent from the philadelphia suburbs, one of the last that can be called a swing district, an individual republican who felt this was very bad for him politically. that represents the dynamic here. you've got the traditional chamber republicans and you've got idealogically driven tea party republicans. that is something that has not y

this is about the psychology of one man and whether he is willing to put at risk his speakership by cobbling together a deal that will get the votes of democrats and a handful of republicans. and ultimately he's going to have to make a decision tomorrow, he's going to have to make a decision as to whether he's going to abandon the tea party or whether he's going to collapse the global economy. we are going to be able to get a deal in the senate. >> if ted cruz and mike toomey for instance want to throw up road blocks, we're dealing on a short calendar here, we don't have much time and things do not move quickly in the senate. can they grind the process out? can they slow you down? can they filibuster, for instance? >> that's a great question. we are at a point in the process where we need unanimous content to the process. we need all 100 senators to agree to an expedited time frame. if we start a bill being presented on the floor -- ted cruz and mike lee have to make a decision like speaker boehner has to make that they're finally going to put their ideology back in their suitcase and allow

. >> this should not be about someone's speakership or the next election. move forward, that is what leadership is all about. >> u.s. stocks were rising with the renewed promise lawmakers would avoid a potential default but warned buffered had this warning. >> we have been building a proper fiscal behavior with our currency for 237 years. to undo this is idiocy. >> anxious for a deal and lawmakers are looking for a way to speed up the process and get something done possibly by dinner. without a deal, there is a threat the credit rating could be downgraded and that is a consequence that nobody wants. government continues the shutdown, it is into its third week. a new round of furloughs in the baltimore area. the army corps of engineers will lay off 45 employees from its baltimore office. the army coret does not have the federal funding to keep these projects going. hundreds of longshoremen are on strike after voting down their contract extension. we were on the scene on the 1100 block of hall street where protester started lining up. bring you a live report

it's not just boehner losing his speakership. it's becoming a disconnect that somehow the republican leaders aren't fighting for what the republican grassroots want. if they at all look like they're capitulating to any demand the president is making in any form, it's like the guy -- it's like they'll light themselves on fire or light the party on fire. so this is about boehner trying to protect -- trying to basically paper over the party's larger problem that they've got going on here. >> the is the problem israel has had all these years. it's not there aren't good people on the arab side. it's the good people on the arab side don't call the shots and they're worried about the terrorists behind him. mahmoud abbas, once reasonable person and knows he has to have peace. but people like boehner, they can't deliver on the deal. i'm worried here. i'm worried we will go into cataclysm here. >> you have to believe -- boehner last week was telling republicans and then it was being leaked he's not going to let the country default. >> do y

republican votes, but mostly votes from democrats in his chamber, but that could ultimately threaten his speakership. his right flank does not want them to bring up a bipartisan proposal that could be endorsed by the senate. >> his position as speaker of the house could be threatened. >> indeed, yes. we have seen it over and over, people threatening to oust him because they don't feel he reflects the true values of the conservatives in his caucus. these are enormously powerful lawmakers. there is a sufficient number of them to ensure that any deal that speaker john boehner wants to pass with the majority of republicans needs they're ok. and they have been terribly unhappy with the speaker in the past. from themy earned recently because he indicated he was willing to make changes or cuts to the president's health care law in these negotiations, which was the story that began this. yeah. now it is unlikely the president's health care law will be substantially changed at all, which is what most people expected. changes,expected major but yet speaker john boehner will be definitely watching his back in

. >> it's about the psychology of one man and whether he is willing to put at risk his speakership by cobbling together a deal that will get the votes of democrats and republicans. he has to make a decision whether he is going to abandon the tea party or collapse the global economy. >> leader nancy pelosi saying defaulting the government would be stupid. >> you can shut down government and that's a bad thing. and you can have a shutdown for 15 days, as it has been, and that's a bad thing. but you undermine the full faith and credit of the united states of americas that's a very hard thing to get back. >> right now any likelihood of a deal appears to be in the hands of the senate. majority leader harry reid says they are very close to reopening the government and lifting the debt ceiling. >> i'm confident we'll be able to reach a comprehensive agreement this week in time to avert a catastrophic default on the nation's bills. >> nbc's tracie potts is live in washington, watching all of that swirling around the capitol. good morning to you, tracie. another blemish to our nation's economy

so you have one man who is afraid of losing his speakership, essentially, saying, it's either my losing the speakership or the government shutting down. >> what about this idea that boehner should bring the clean cr to the floor for a vote? >> i don't think that there's any motivation to do that? i think there's more motivation, frankly, after the president's most recent remarks, to persuade the people who are worried about the markets to bring a clean debt ceiling increase forward as opposed to dealing with the cr. i think that the shutdown from the perspective of republicans is actually working out for them a lot better than they expected. which is one of the reasons why i don't think we're likely to see it end anytime soon. >> that's interesting. you think you could imagine a clean debt ceiling brought to the floor while the government is still shut down and the cr, and the sort of pressure of the shutdown hangs over everyone. >> the american people are a lot less concerned about bureaucrats staying home and not getting pay than they are about the marketplace -- >> ben, but here's th

. >> they're destroying the speakership. i think they're destroying the speakership, too, governor. >> i agree. >> i want to ask you michael, reince priebus the leader of the republican party, he beat you in that race. i don't think he's the true leader of anything. he has sided with ted cruz against the speaker, it seems. and to take sides against the elected leader of the house who holds a constitutional position is to undermine him in his own caucus. i think that's part of this problem. why is priebus one of the lemmings running towards a freshman senator who's only been in congress a half a year? >> and i can't speak to the rationale behind it other than the idea about fund raising. that part of the base that is ginned up in this are going to write a check. and so i think as i said at the time, that was not a playing field for the party to present itself in terms of taking sides. the majority leader, the speaker have carved out the pathway. the party has to rally behind that. and part of boehner's problem right now is th