>> i aprm going to -- i love to joe biden. i have a little crush on joe biden. i do. >> i could tell. >> i kind of get a little crazy eyed about joe biden. i love him. >> he's a likable guy, no question about it. president who says that might be one of the best vps in history. >> and obama care is awesome. i mean, do you believe anything he says anymore? i'm sorry. he likes joe. joe's been loyal to the president. that should count for something. i'm glad he had his back. if you don't think they weren't considering hillary, then you don't know politics. >> where's joe been? >> he didn't play the phone call that got to the wrong -- they dial the phone and they say, here, sir, leave a message. it's not his fault. >> i think it's interesting -- >> we're going to play the gaffe reel but we played it -- >> the gaffes are fantastic. i love that big stick gaffe more than anybody. that's my favorite. i think he's been a good vice president for president obama. >> he's totally authentic. you guys complain about obama reading from the teleprompter. this guy obviously doesn

i think if hillary clinton doesn't run, joe biden does run right now. one quick thing on your point and michael's point on the tension among the staff. this is not new for joe biden. he's had a political team around him since 1987. that's when he first started thinking about running for president. so he brought all that with him. one point i would say about the substituting or the thought of substituting, as you know, chris, biden was picked in 2008 because he was the kind of steady hand on the tiller. he knew washington. there were concerns that barack obama might not be ready, biden was aimed at quieting them. fast forward four years. what barack obama needed in 2008, isn't what he needed in 2012. i think that's inevitably true with presidents. i think it's why you always see the phenomenon of they think about the possibility of changing the v.p. and decide not to. >> i think it looks bad to dump a guy. the times report that the game change authors obtained a memo from governor chris christie's vetting process to be vice president. quote, according to

and, you know, the fact is he did talk to joe biden about it. they had it out. i think they genuinely like each

will he boot biden? and speaking of joe, he hast. given us fresh material to add to the real.ing if you want a belly laugh, stick around. >>> i am sorry they are finding themselves in ♪ >>> this week more than a dozen democratic lawmakers senators showed up at the white house to demand some answers from president obama. l they are nervous because thehous political firestorm that is raging around his health care law that we talked about in the a-block will cost them their seat in next year's election. they don't think they can escape the rollout disaster.oing here he is. >> the president is toxic. the thing is called obamacare. there is no running away from it. it has his name on it. you see the president andon think of the policy and you know it is a disaster. the problem is they are hostage to a bunch of geeks. they #r* working late into the night trying to fix a system. the architecture and the underling structure is wrong. if it is not up and runningar smoothly and perfectly, they is will start with postpone ments and then it st

biden. i couldn't help but think that joe biden i think reading between the lines of john and mark's excellent book and i've read it all, it's fantastic. that i think joe biden was trying to show them how loyal he'd been and what a great relationship he had with the president. there's plenty of evidence of that in here. and yet the president's aides, were behind his back trying to find out whether to dump him or not. i think it's a problem. >> i got a comment to what he's up to. you write in the book that, quote, biden wanted to expand his network while he was campaigning for obama he thought he should meet with new people, stroke some donors, strike up fresh relationships. you seem to be portraying in your reporting here that biden's still in that projectry of running for president. everyone figures hillary clinton is probably going to run. we don't know for sure. but it seems to me he's going to start making more moves. gene mccarthy once said it's easier to run for president than it is to

>>> and biden in 2016. some say the vice president is positioning himself for his own white house bid, but will he really run? wolf blitzer is off today. i'm jim sciutto. you're in "the situation room." >>> long simmering tension over disputed territory has suddenly heated up. china's military scrambled fighter jets today after u.s. and japanese planes entered an air defense zone beijing unilaterally declared just last week. it's over the east china sea in a cluster of small uninhabited islands claimed by both china and japan. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr is following developments for us. barbara, we had china declare the zone, u.s. planes flew through it, china warned again, u.s. planes flew through again. what's to keep this from escalatin escalating? >> reporter: right now, joe biden. the vice president is headed to china next week to sit down and talk to them. but this is all happening in the middle of war games between the u.s. and japan in the region, and escalating tensions here at the pe

i know joe biden. i know vice president biden. i know the president. i don't think the president would have thought of dumping joe biden for one minute. congressman emanuel cleaver and ryan grim, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> i'll be right back with the reason why i'm here in chicago. what we can do to make our city safer. that's next. road closed? there's a guy... excuse me? glacier point? follow me! ♪ follow me! keep up, keep up, keep up. ♪ look he's right there! follow me! [ male announcer ] the nissan pathfinder. wow! follow me! [ male announcer ] nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $279 per month lease on a 2014 nissan pathfinder. ♪ i can't believe your mom has a mom cave! today i have new campbell's chunky spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i'm very souperstitious. haha, that's a good one! haha! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. her busy saturday begins with back pain, when... hey pam, you should take advil. w

biden. i couldn't help but think that joe biden i think reading between the lines of john and mark's excellent book and i've read it all, it's fantastic. that i think joe biden was trying to show them how loyal he'd been and what a great relationship he had with the president. there's plenty of evidence of that in here. and yet the president's aides, were behind his back trying to find out whether to dump him or not. i think it's a problem. >> i got a comment to what he's up to. you write in the book that, quote, biden wanted to expand his network while he was campaigning for obama he thought he should meet with new people, stroke some donors, strike up fresh relationships. you seem to be portraying in your reporting here that biden's still in that trajectory of running for president. everyone figures hillary clinton is probably going to run. we don't know for sure. but it seems to me he's going to start making more moves. gene mccarthy once said it's easier to run for president than it is t

the thing is, joe biden has been incredibly valuable. this is a was that does not like to wine and dine senators and members of congress. so the pivot point in terms of getting things done on the hill has often been biden. biden has a good relationship with mitch mcconnell. able to go to the senate, a senator so long. has amazing relationships there. he has been able to get a lot done substantively for the president on the hill. the point guy in a lot of ways for getting done things. a valuable vice president. besides the fact, the guy was a noun/verb, ended giuliani's political career. how do you get rid of a guy? he is a good vice president, represents the president on capitol hill. doing it well. >> one thing, i think there was an expectation with biden. that he would be more lick a dick cheney figure in that when they put him on the ticket, he was 65. don't think they thought this is a guy who will spend eight years. like al gore. trying to position himself for 2016. probably. >> presumed he wouldn't beep. awe off elder stateman in t

and, you know, the fact is he did talk to joe biden about it. they had it out. i think they genuinely like each other, but it's clear the research was done. >> so they talked about it subsequent to the book being published and the heat coming on him. >> yes. >> i agree with that. same question to you, joan. always the thing in politics one of the earliest things i learned was listen to what they actually say. did he say he knew this was polled? did he say he approved it? disapproved it? did he make a decision based on the polling? what did he tell us? >> i think he told us that no one has denied that somebody polled this question. i think he acknowledged that. i think he may have also left the door open that maybe he overheard something from another office that maybe they were doing this. but at the end of the day, he gave joe biden a big, old hug. that's what matters. later in the interview he has a dig to his staff saying folks like to talk about things to make themselves feel important. so whoever leaked this garbage to heilemann and halperin, i know what you

if joe biden does run for president, the i believe joe biden was one of the greatest vice presidents in history will go down as -- i assure you will hear again, peter. he's right. i'm sure he didn't hear about it. the truth of the matter is, they do do this testing. it does undercut biden. the president was trying to say if this got to me, i would never prove it. biden is great. he needed it. >> thanks. have a great weekend. >>> we'll take you to the president's remarks in new orleans live when they happen. quickly to a topic americans are focused on the bullying investigation rocking nfl. the lawyer for miami dolphins player jonathan martin, the player who left the team after the alleged bullying released a statement last night making a new allegation about a physical attack he said he endured. joining me mike florio. thanks for your help. here is part of the statement on screen. jonathan martin's toughness is not at issue. the issue is his treatment by teammates. jonathan endured harassment that went far beyond the traditional locker room hazing. very quickly today you posted a sta

>> craig, i'm still convinced that biden would have been on the ticket. even if hillary clinton tested better, i think it would have sent signals of panic that president obama was dumping biden for hillary clinton. the end of the day, the person on the vice presidential ticket doesn't matter all that much. that person can lose you the race but they rarely win it for you. the sign that somehow that would have been a big sign to everyone that team obama was behind and needed to do something very major to shake things up. president obama had a four-point national win over romney and very decisive victory in the electoral college. he didn't need that at all. and i think they probably made the right calculation, even if the polls showed hillary clinton would have tested much more positively. >> i'm waiting to hear what joe biden says about all of this. i'm sure it will be quite the sound bite. let's look forward to next week quickly. what do you see on the political horizon? >> i have a feeling we're going to continue to talk about health care. next week we're

vice president joe biden has done it again. he called a second wrong number, trying to congratulate boston's new mayor, marty walsh, take a listen. >> marty, it's joe biden. nice to see you win and nice to see labor win. anything i can do to help you from the white house in terms of your needs in boston, holler, man. >> well, a huffington post reader says she got that call tuesday night and a man named marty walsh, not the new mayor, told the "boston globe" he got a call from biden that night too. you can read more by heading to thomas roberts' facebook page. [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin in the nissan sentra. lamb to the slaughter. mom's baked cookies but he'll be lucky to make it inside. and here's the play. oh, dad did not see this coming. [ crowd cheering ] now if kevin can just seize the opportunity. he's seen it. it's all over. nothing but daylight. yes i'd love a cookie. [ male announcer ] make a powerful first impression. the nissan sentra. now g

biden can't know whether is she's running or not. i don't think he will stop his presidential ambitions on the possibility that she is running. he will have to decide before she does. that's going to be fun to watch. great stuff for us. >> it will be. nick is having a fit in the control room because this show is not called "hardball". see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, alex. >> coming up, the one big factor. the debate in obama care. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 del

vice president joe biden called to congratulation him. the problem is he called the wrong martin walsh. >> just when you thought the nsa tracks every phone call, joe biden congratulates the wrong marty walsh for the boston mayoral win. >> the marty walsh biden called was a former aide to senator ted kennedy. >> did you just win an election? >> i'm sorry, it's the wrong number. >> bye-bye. >> the number two trender, private parts. >> privatize everything. >> so is this the answer to making federal government cheaper and these services more fish snent. >> john stossel touts one country's private practice. >> organ selling. >> i'm upset it's not legal. >> ready for transplant. >> in the one country it is legal, nobody waits for a kidney. thousands of people -- i'm afraid to say it's iran. it's your body, it should be your choice. why does the government limit what you can do with your body? >> what the hell did you just say? >> how much are kidneys going for iran, do you know? >> today's top trender, mod squad. >> a lot of the food we eat, m

what about replacing joe biden as his vp? >>> twitter's grand debut on the stock market. and fireworks fly when number three takes on number five in college football. good morning. it's been called one of the most powerful storms ever recorded. right now, supertyphoon haiyan is lashing the philippines. they are expecting catastrophic damage. here is francis coe. >> reporter: the typhoon slammed early friday. the central philippines are barrelling the front. drenching rains that made visibility virtually nonexistent. debris went through the air. the roads transformed into rapid moving rivers. storm surges are expected to reach 20 feet in some cities. about 1 million people are taking coverage in shelters in 20 provinces. because the country is made up of islands, there's fear residents have few options. they are calling haiyan a perfect storm with a clear eye. the only positive, it's fast moving. that's little comfort for residents now bracing for the worst. >> nbcs bill karins will be more on the powerful storm in a few minutes. now to an nbc exclusive with president obam

, i hate to say that dumping joe biden -- >> so harsh. >> replacing joe biden with hillary clinton. how do you think joe biden is feeling right now having read that? and should they have changed? >> you know, i think joe biden understands the talk that goes on and the gossip that goes on here in washington, you know, he's -- he's a grown-up. and i think he knows washington better than almost anybody. so, i don't think -- >> come on, maria. >> i don't think it bothers him at all. i really don't. and i think he also realizes and the white house is good at pushing back, this was never really a consideration. did they do focus groups, did they do polls? sure, if you remember obama was going through a really tough time. a lot of democrats were wondering if it would be a very good move. but at the end of the day and if you remember at the point where it was the biden vice presidential debate, it was joe biden who actually brought obama back from the brink. and i don't think obama ever really considered this, and according to the book and to people that i've talked to, it was never brought

biden out, clinton in? a new book quoted the "new york times" claims the obama campaign considered replacing vice president joe biden with hillary clinton on the 2012 ticket. top obama advisers researched whether the former first lady could boost the president's re-election chances. the book says it was determined she would not substantially help with voters and that is why biden stayed. >>> ten schoolchildren from kansas safe after a scary bus crash. their school bus plunged off a bridge into a creek flipping onto its side. the children were amazingly not injured, they managed to climb out through a hatch and were safely rescued. the bus driver was trapped for more than an hour before a swiftwater rescue team pulled him to safety. is he treated for hypothermia. >>> the stepmom of a girl charged in a deadly cyberbullying case in florida is out of jiail. vivian vosburg was in jail on child abuse charges. she denies the charges. her stepdaughter is one of the two charged with bullying a 12-year-old girl leadi

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i love joe biden. i juan, not unusual for aen. presidential reelection campaign to take a look at the vice presidential candidate and there is always these rumors. do you think there is any truth to -- any serious consideration of this? >> no. i think the story would have leaked a lot bigger than just now in this book. but the thing i will say is i do believe that bill daley is right, that someone like bill daley might have thought, we're not doing so well. they were not doing well at that juncture and he probably thoughl who could we get and guess what? we know somebody who is very popular with women and independents, her name is hillary clinton. >> do you think that hillaryth would have considered it, andrea, or do you think shed would have wanted to say no ands go for a run for the presidency herself? >> yes. probably she would have not wanted to be the vice president. i would think. if you read ed klein's book "the amateur" or talk to him, it's a great book. he talks about the behind thefac scenes relationship between the clin

joe biden. none of that is what this implies. what it does imply is that if you're running for re-election, you do what it takes to get re-elected. if they had polling data that showed them that hillary clinton would provide a greater advantage over joe biden and help obama save his presidency, they would have done it, but they did not get that from their polling. they did not find she would provide an advantage over biden. so it was never seriously considered. >> so jump ahead to 2016, jonathan. who does the president support? would he support joe biden or hillary clinton? >> i don't think it's going to come to that. if hillary clinton runs, joe biden won't run. in all likelihood, obama will do what chuck schumer just did this weekend, which is endorse hillary clinton. >> okay. what about what chris matthews told me yesterday. he said, look, joe biden is already putting steps in place because we don't know if hillary clinton is going to run. what if ultimately she does not run? >> then you're t

this is not new for joe biden. he's had a political team around him since 1987. so he brought all that with him. one point i would say about the substituting or the thought of substituting, as you know, chris, biden was picked in 2008 because he was the kind of steady hand on the tiller. he knew washington. there were concerns that barack obama might not be ready, biden was aimed at quieting them. fast forward two years. i think that's inevitably true with presidents. i think it's why you always see the phenomenon of they think about the possibility of changing the v.p. and decide not to. >> i think it looks bad to dump a guy. the authors obtained a memo from chris christie's vetting process to be vice president. quote, according to a memo on christie from the vetting team, it had unanswered questions from early in his political career on a securities and exchange commission settlement involving mr. christie's brother. and on his medical sister. the dossier was littlered with potential land mines. meanwhile mitt romney had another issue with the governor. his wei

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up 51 points over her closest rival and that's joe biden. let's remove hillary clinton from the race. and then all of a sudden, joe biden becomes the front-runner certainly at this point in time. >> that makes sense, eight years at vice president. been in congress since the early 1970s. we're three years out at this point. do these numbers matter just a general indicator? >> they do matter about you they are a general indicator. for the folks who say it's too early to talk about this, certainly from our perspective, we're not the ones going to iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, florida, raising money for democrats. clearly laying the groundwork. we've seen that from rand paul and ted cruz. joe biden himself is already making phone calls tols iowa, new hampshire. but if hillary clinton doesn't run, a whole new race. >> we're already handicapping 2016. thanks very much to mark preston. later this hour, we'll talk more about joen's hopes for 2016. he may be second in some of the polls but that's not stopping him from acting like the leading c

he didn't know they were polling on joe biden. nor should he know they were polling on joe biden but when he heard about it and when people talked about it and it appeared in a book, you can just imagine the conversation the president had he to have with joe biden because i'm sure joe biden was on the ceiling upset about it. and he had to kind of talk him down and say i didn't know, nor would i ever do that. i don't believe he would have, by the way. i think the president enjoys having joe biden around and considers him valuable. >> and they met the next morning i think after the book came out. so you can imagine that meeting to assuage his sort of concerns or upset. >> if turp joe biden and you read that and you had had to talk to the press for six months about how that wasn't going to occur and it was not in the president's mind and he was never considering replacing you with hillary clinton and then suddenly you read in the book they belowed about it, would you be upset. >> and embarrassed obviously. thank you so much. we're go

one of the hits was the campaign debated replacing biden with hillary clinton. tweeting last night, it wasn't even in consideration. and jay carney said this today -- >> i know for a fact that president obama never considered this. never thought about it. never entertained it. >> but obama's chief of staff during the election said a swap was considered. here's bill daly. >> it was looked at but it was never seriously looked at in a sense that there was a belief that it ought to be done. 2011, as you remember, it was a very difficult political year. my sense was, we ought to look at everything here. >> i wonder if bill daley took a look at any of these clips of joe biden's greatest hits. >> three heard word, jobs, j-o-b-s, jobs. >> this is a big [ bleep ] deal. >> god rest her soul -- wait, your mom's still alive. your dad passed. >> i promise you, the president has a big stick. i promise you. >> i love joe biden. not unusual for a president re-election campaign. there's always these rumors. you think there's any truth to this, any serious consideration? >> no, i

clinton or maybe vice president joe biden, a new book claims it could have been hillary clinton instead of joe biden as vp right now. >>> let's talk about with it -- about christie with hillary and the vice president -- let's say this again. let's talk about christie and hillary as vice president with two of cnn's political commentators, joining me are maria cardona and kevin madden. i feel like it's "cross fire." thanks for joining us, kevin and maria. >> thanks, don, good to see you. >> polls show chris christie cruising towards re-election. new jersey is a democratic state and he's apparently making inroads among women, among hispanics and other minorities. >> right. >> is he rewriting the republican playbook for winning traditionally democratic voters? >> yeah, i think it's an important sort of case study for how republicans can do a better job of winning not only the middle but constituencies that are not traditionally within the republican party. so, i think the reason -- one of the ways he's done that is he's

so they poll tested the idea of switching out joe biden for hillary clinton who was obviously popular secretary of state and numbers were huge and did and ultimately decided putting her on wouldn't gain the president enough to kind of overcome the sort of blow back there might be by replacing joe biden. now, there is no evidence, in fact, that president obama knew of this. the report of the new york times and certainly in the write up doesn't look as though this book found out whether the president knew and in fact, i know you seen the tweet from david pluff that ran the first campaign and heavily involved in the second said there was not ever any consideration of a vp and an hrc switch, that is a biden, hillary clinton switch, not even entertained by the only person who mattered or most of us back to halloween. that's david plouffe. interesting talk and remember, piers, at the time, in the late fall of 2011, there was a lot of talk about well, what if he switched out joe biden for hillary clinton? >> what about the relationship between barack obama and bill clinton? it seems from thi

joe biden didn't know certainly. >> according to "the new york time times", that's one of the explosive revelations in the new book "double down." where the authors say biden had dodged a bullet he never saw coming and never would know anything about if the obamians could keep a secret. >> it was only known by about a half dozen of the top obama senior advisors. >> including then chief of staff bill daley. >> he totally confirmed reporting in the book saying he thought it was his due diligence as chief of staff to at least explore the possibility of what hillary clinton on the ticket would mean for president obama in 2012. >> despite clinton's popularity, biden stayed on the ticket. >> they concluded after this polling and focus groups that she wouldn't add a substantial effect. she would have helped but not so much that it was worth dumping biden. >> obama's 2008 campaign manager david plouffe who worked in the white house in 2011 denied the report tweeting never any, any consideration of vp, hrc switch. not even entertained by the only person who mattered or most of us. another bombsh