he's backing down saying he never saw nigella lawson taking drugs. here's cnn's max foster in lond london. >> reporter: out of the frying pan and into the fire. celebrity chef nigella lawson's private life splashed across the front pages with allegations of long-term drug abuse and lies. allegations coming via this man, charles so muchy. the couple split in summer after photos emerged of him with his hands around his wife's neck. this is the time he first learned of her drug abuse. asked about this incident in court, he said, i wasn't gripping, strangling or throttling her. i was holding her head by the neck to make her focus. can we be clear. when pushed as to whether or not it was anything to do with the alle alleged drug abuse, he he said no. firmly in the spotlight, he entered the courthouse on friday morning, greeted by the splash of light bulbs and camera crews. as he testified against two italian sisters who used to work for his wife as personal assista assistants. both are standing trial accused of defrauding his company of more than $1 milli

. >>> now to a courtroom tonight where celebrity chef nigella lawson is confronting claims made by her employees. abc's lama hasan now from london. >> it's all about the taste and nothing but the taste. >> reporter: nigella lawson is the beloved celebrity chef known for her sumptuous dishes. but allegations made against her paint a different picture of the domestic goddess. lawson and ex-husband charles saatchi claimed a former assistant assistant embezzled more than $1 million. the two claimed they had a tas et understanding with the tv chef, allowing them to use her credit card as long as they kept quiet about allegations of cocaine, marijuana and prescription drugs. lawson will testify during this two-week trial. she's due to host abc's show "the taste" in january. the courthouse behind me is bracing for another turn tomorrow when nigella lawson's former husband, charles saatchi, takes the stand to once and for all tell his side of the story. david? >> lama hasan from london, thank you. >>> look over my shoulder here this evening. this is the comet so many people were watching, the

the defense team today have requested nigella lawson also appe appear tomorrow. we'd love to hear what she has to say. she's been quiet. we need her side of the story. >> can't imagine the media scrum for that one. >> i was going to say, yes, hearing one side here. this is an acrimonious divorce and ex-husband. we have to hear in this case as well from the other party. hopefully we will. >> max foster, thanks so much. >>> iran taking its first big step towards getting the world's trust back. under that new cooperation agreement that was hammered out in geneva. it has invited u.n. inspectors to visit the iraq heavy water production plant. >> this facility is linked to a reactor that, if completed, could produce enough plutonium for two atomic weapons a year. iran agreed to stop, quote, activities at the reactor as part of last within's nuclear deal. the u.n. nuclear watchdog groups keeping a close eye on a reactor in north korea. >> activity at that site indicates that north korea might be trying to restart what is really an aging reactor. u.n. officials say they

. >>> now to a courtroom tonight where celebrity chef nigella lawson is confronting claims made by her employees. lama hasan from london. >> reporter: it's all about the taste and nothing but the taste. >> reporter: nigella lawson is the beloved cook known for her dishes. but allegations paint a different picture. lawson and her husband, charles saatchi it's claimed embezzled more than $1 million. the two claim they had an understanding with the chef, allowing them to use their credit card as long as they kept quiet about allegations of cocaine, marijuana and drugs. she is due to host "the taste" in january. nigella's former husband takes the stand to once and for all tell his side of the story. david? >> lama hasan from london, thank you. >>> look over my shoulder here this evening. this is the comet so many were watching, the so called comet of the century. thousands in fact tweeting about it on this thanksgiving. >> reporter: all eyes were on that comet called ison. traveling on its way to the sun. 1:37 eastern time. that was expected to pass fewer than 737,000 miles from the sun's

i'm talking about nigella lawson. >> there is for me no better way to eat bread. that's why thank goodness you can get this by the quarter loaf. >> you know her. her ex-husband is now testifying in the trial of two former personal assistants. they're accused of defraunding lawson and saatchi for hundreds of thousands of dollars. we're outside the courthouse. and some interesting testimony so far, right? >> well, yes. these two sisters after they were accused of fraud started making allegations about nigella lawson's drug use claiming she had a severe drug problem. and it was around the time of that photo coming out where you saw charles saatchi holding his hands to nigella lawson's neck, around this time he started hearing about the allegations. in october he wrote an e-mail to her and that was read out in court in the last hour or so. it's pretty dramatic. it was meant to be a private e-mail to her. he's bereft that it got leaked. this is what it said. nigella, i was sent these by a newspaper and i can only laugh at your sorry deprefty. these are the allegations

lawson. they seemed to have a charged -- charmed existence. she a celebrity chef with a tv cooking serious -- series. andhe cofounder of saatchi saatchi, who has become a successful art curator and collector. the defense claimed there was a culture of secrecy in their marriage. in the summer of this year, they divorced acrimoniously after these paparazzi photos taken at a restaurant were published showing mr. saatchi's hands lawson's neck. their personal assistants each face a charge of fraud and they claim they had a tacit agreement and understanding with nigella lawson that they could spend on the credit card provided by mr. company if they did not reveal her use of class a and class b drugs to her husband. but the prosecution alleges they went on a spending spree. they admitted spending some of the money but denied fraud. mr. saatchi's accountant told the court he did not immediately tell his boss and his ex-wife his suspicions about the personal assistants'expenditures because it was on t

nigella lawson for all her success had not had an easy life. her first husband died young, loafing her with two young kids to support. her first book how to be a domestic goddess started her off on the skyrocketing career and the marriage to the wealthy man seemed to consolidate her security. she became not just a tv chef but a role model and even a controversial one. some women recenting the implication that kitchen serve tud was a root to domestic contentment. she was said it was meant as a joke. nobody is laughing now. in a divorce opinion is often split between the parties. in this case reputations are involved and as well huge commercial interest. charles is due to testify again today and he was brought back to court and nigella lawson herself is expected to appear as well. the ratings for that may be greater than her shows. >> thank you very much. organizations issued new guidelines for preventing heart attacks and strokes. the recommendations are for people who might benefit from taking cholesterol-lowering stat ins. they are leading to

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you probably well know nigella lawson. >> there is for me just no bad way to eat bread. that's why i thank goodness you can get this by the quarter loaf. >> a bombshell e-mail was read in court this week from lawson's ex-husband, charles satchy, on the right of your screen. that e-mail alleged lawson was using cocaine and marijuana on a daily basis for a decade. he wrote the two ex-assistants would, quote, probably get off because lawson was so off her head on drugs and allowed them to spend whatever they liked. that's important because the two former personal assistants are accused of embezzling more than a million dollars from the former couple. trial attorney heather hansen joins me from new york. this is the kind of information or the salacious detail i would have expected in a divorce case. this is not a divorce case. this is a case about two assistants and embezzlement accusation, yet this very private e-mail gets into the case, in a country where they gag everything like this. why did it become public? >> well, it became public because it is the defense's allegati

. >>> coming up on "gma," a surprise twist at the sensational trial of celebrity chef nigella lawson. her ex-husband, who seems to be choking her in these pictures, taking the stand, explaining what he says happened here. >>> plus, "modern family" trend. the rise of the manny. would you like a guy looking after your kids? >>> and who could best bend it like beckham if hollywood made the story of the soccer star's life? the hunk beckham wants to play him in the movie. ron claiborne, it's not you. but you were close. a close call. we're back with more "gma" very soon. keep it here. let's keep black friday rolling. let's make a game plan. let's get in this weekend, and get what we need, no, what we want. let's do capacity. let's do smart. and not settle. this weekend, let's go for the win. it's black friday. let's do this. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. these whirlpool energy star refrigerators, your choice, just $998. [ female announcer ] only aveeno daily moisturizing lotion has an active naturals oat formula that creates a moisture reserve so skin can rep

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one was so integral to the family that she was given a bedroom very close to nigella lawson's own. they are charged with defrauding the couple by over half a million pounds by using the company credit card. both deny the charges against them. charles lawson returned home. before leaving court, he told the jury he was utterly heartbroken at having lost his wife and that he still adored her. >> now here is one of the most famous footballers in the world scene as an inspiration to people from all walks of life. worthvid beckham brand is tens of millions in any currency. it all began two decades ago at manchester united, and now there is a new film that celebrates the class of 1992. he is still the best known of them all. >> first of all, my goodness. i have never seen you with so many tattoos. have you got more? >> a couple more, maybe. >> to you still love them? >> yeah. >> are you going to get more? >> may be. everyone has a mania. watched the film. it seems like it is a film about friendship and there is a bit of football in it as well. how are you all still friends after all of th

it is an e-mail from charles saatchi september last month to nigella lawson. it was a personal e-mail. he says he was bereft that it became public but it came through her side. in this he writes to her, of course now the grillos will get off on the basis that you were so off your head on drugs, you allows the sisters to spend whatever they liked and yes, i believe every word that the grillos have said who after all only stole money and they're alleging that she had a drug habit, nigella lawson which went back for the whole ten years of the marriage and they hid it. she hid it from charles saatchi. >> all right. so max, you know, what about the trial itself? are we now likely to hear from nigella? >> we are expecting to hear from her during this trial. probably next week. we can't confirm exact details on that because we'll wait to see what happens on that. certainly lots of people want to hear her point of view. not just the people involved in the court case but around the world because obviously her reputation is this wholesome figure, a home making figure is

the bitter battle between celebrity chef nigella lawson and her multimillion husband charles sachi are taking a shocking term with new accusations of illegal drug use. in an e-mail read out in court, sachi accuses lawson of using cocaine and marijuana on a daily basis. allowing two former personal assistants to walk away with more than $1 million every four years. >> you really don't know what the truth is, but what it does do is pretty much damage nigella lawson's reputation. whether or not it's true or not, we don't know, but now we have this story of alleged drug use from nigella. and this could affect jobs she has coming to her right now. >> reporter: the former assistants, sisters francesca and elizabeth, are facing charges committing fraud using a company credit card. they deny the charges. but sachi claims lawson's drug habit allowed the sisters to spend whatever they liked. a spokesman for lawson declined to comment. but the celebrity chef did tweet out a recipe and thanked her supporters using the #teamnigella. the couple divorced earlier this year after photos from this resta

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. >>> bombshell allegations against celebrity chef nigella lawson, months after her high-profile divorce. an e-mail from lawson's billionaire ex-husband, charles saatchi, said that lawson was so high on drugs that she allowed their two personal assistants to spend whatever they wanted. those assistants are now on trial for spending nearly $500,000 of the couple's money on themselves. they say lawson used cocaine, marijuana and prescription drugs daily during her ten-year marriage, a claim she denies. >>> less than two months after its debut, alec baldwin's new talk show, no more. msnbc suspended "up late with alec baldwin" for two weeks, after he used an anti-gay slur during a confrontation with a photographer. baldwin later posted an apology. but the network and the actor released a joint statement yesterday confirming that the show will not be returning. >>> a man from guatemala living in michigan has a lot to be thankful for right now. he is estuardo morales. he was paralyzed for five years. that was before coming to the u.s. just over a month ago. and now, he's gone from being confin

just ahead in this half hour, celebrate chef nigella lawson is back in the spotlight as part of a high profile criminal trial involving her assistants. on friday, her ex-husband took the stand and whether she paid off to keep him quiet. a lot of twists and turns in this and a lot of people talking about it so we will go live to london for an update on that. >>> all of the stores advertising their lowest prices around the holiday, how can you be sure you're getting the best bargain? mario armstrong will try to save you some real cash as well. he is pointing to his iphone. i think we are talking apps. >> should you bundle up your pets when you take them out in the winter? dylan, should we? >> that is bosco and she loves those boots. can't you tell? >> just for show? >> no. >> we will go through the whole thing but they actually recommend them. looking forward to more on that. >> do booties go with the jacket? >> i planned out the whole outfit. >> lester may like to weigh in on the accessory choices so that might be a separate segment. >> not wearing the pocket squares. >> so '90s. >>> fi

he never had seen evidence of nigella lawson taking drugs. due to return as a judge in the new year on the second series of abc's series "the taste" nigella lawson herself has made no comment about the ongoing legal proceedings. she's likely to be called as a witness in the fraud case against the grillo sisters. sachi told the court he's been heartbroken since the marriage broke down. max foster, cnn, near london. >> and let's do a hard turn and switch gears. let's talk about that thanksgiving meal, now i know why when i pushed away from the table, i kind of rolled away. did you know that the average meal contain cans 4500 calories? >> i don't think i want to know. we've got gadgets. we'll show you gadgets to help you burn it off. a live demonstration. not on me, a live demonstration is next. play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪ the end. lovely read susan. but isn't it time to turn the page on your cup of joe? gevali

nigella lawson's ex-husband about to take the stand where he is expected to testify about allegations that she allowed her assistant to cover up her own drug use. >>> an olympic torch barrier lights himself on fire adding to the long list of mishaps on the road to sochi while lindsey vonn takes a huge step toward the games, back on the slopes after hurting her knee. today, friday, november 29th, 2013. >> announcer: from nbc news, this is "today" with matt lauer and savannah guthrie, live from studio 1-a in rockefeller plaza. >>> welcome to today on this friday morning. the day after thanksgiving. i hope you had a great one. i'm willie geist. >> i'm kate snow along side andrea canning and dylan dreyer. everybody have a nice thanksgivi thanksgiving? >> i had way too much food. i went to the parade. the rockets. >> is this your first one in new york city? >> my first full one. >> it's fun being pregnant on thanksgiving. you keep shoveling in the food. >> we eat for two as it is. you ate for three, i guess. >> it is the black friday shopping rush. bargain hunters spent hours in the cold w

famed tv chef nigella lawson not just into pots and pans, according to her former assistants. she's also a fan of pot and coke. they said she's been abusing drugs for years. >>> it's a version of living on a prayer you've never heard before. ♪ ♪ >> not bad. prince william singing on stage with bon jovi and taylor swift. they performed at a charity event at kensington palace. >> we could just call the guy on the right prince. >>> 14 minutes before the top of the hour. as i millions hit the roads and try to fly places today, a big winter storm is making its way throughout the east with sleet and rain and snow creating a travel nightmare. kmsp's stephanie gailheart is live in minneapolis-spall at the international airport there. any troubles out in the middle >> reporter: yeah. there are some troubles here as far as people flying into new york and philadelphia here this morning. considering how busy it is on the busiest travel day, it's pretty quiet here. it was hectic about an hour ago. but it settled down a bit. i want you to take a live look at the security line. all those

lawson. coming up, testimony about her drug use and claims she let her assistants speed big money to keep it a secret. >> now that black friday is over, the holiday shopping season is in full swing. what do retailers have in mind to get you to open up your wallet? more on that and ideas and apps that can make the shopping trips easier and save you serious money. >> plus is it necessary to bundle up your pets when you take them outside this winter. to find out we sent dylan and her best friend out on a day to do a little shopping to find out. >> richard and angie, back to you. >> thank you, guys. >> see you later. >>> today many business owners hope you will participate in what's become known as small business saturday. >> even some celebrities are doing what they can to help out the small business owners. >> this holiday season come on down and do your shopping at any one of these great local stores and get two for one -- >> in case you can't tell because he is wearing a costume. that is kevi

the defense is arguing that nigella lawson was aware of this spending so it wasn't a fraud, it was knowing spending, and that she was trying to hide her drug habit from sachi. sachi, himself, was quoted earlier in the trial in an e-mail accusing lawson of pretty much the same thing, of hiding her drug habit from him and being aware of the spending. he is due to appear later on today so we will hear in his own words what he thinks of all this. the defense pretty unhappy saying this is mint to be a fraud trial and that, in fact, is an opportunity for these two very famous people to argue in a situation where they can't be accused of libel so they want it thrown out already. it's exposing a difficult relationship between the two. >>> officials in japan are investigationing two small explosions outside of toke air base. it happened last night. investigators found two metal tubes and a timing mechanism at the scene. no word on who is responsible and no injuries reported. >>> sometimes you have to ask why. a clumsy crook sure made things early for south florida police on that have gone day. that

self-proclaimed domestic goddess nigella lawson. the famed food writer and tv chef, including claims that she secretly used drugs, including cocaine, on a daily basis for a decade. all of this is coming to life in a fraud trial against her two exlegal assistants. our legal panel is weighing in. arthur, so i get the judge lifted the gag order here because he said the bad character evidence of her purported drug use could be used for the defense, right? >> and i do think it's relevant, but that should not be the issue here. the issue is whether or not they've defrauded her. they spent a lot of money, and we're talking almost a million bucks, that they were not entitled to, at least that's what she's saying. they weren't entitled to. if i am the prosecutor here or the plaintiff going after them for the money, i'm saying, hard drug use enabled them to do this because she was out of it. so they just took advantage of a sick person. >> well, or the other side, jhonna, was that her drug use was a secret and these ex-assistants she allowed

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. >>> "the new york times" says saatchi tells the court about his wife nigella lawson. saatchi who was photographed with his hands around lawson's voice said he was heartbroken that they were divorced. he wrote an e-mail teasing lawson about her drug use. >> canada's national post says toronto's mayor rob ford has create add so-called new venue for what he calls his act. they had records. >> jane keen has died. the role that made her famous was that the role of trixie with "the honeymooner ss." >>> only two of 13 named storms became hurricanes. forecasters say this is the result of a dryer than expected air. it's about 21 minutes after the hour. now here's a look at your weather for the weekend. >>> coming up, the fight for independence. a young woman takes her parents to court and wins. see how that landmark legal battle is now helping others. >> later, can tweeting or twitter or posting on facebook make you smarter? a man study it and believe it or not, he says it is true. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." >>> here's how not to rob a store. a man was robbin

lawson has been a daily drug abuser for years. nbc's michelle kaczynski is at the courthouse in london. >> reporter: they're on trial accused of racking up more than a million dollars on her then husband's credit cards over five years. their defense is that nigella didn't mind as long as they kept secret her daily cocaine habit. and now her ex who is really the assistants' alleged victim here, says he believes their story. the headlines have been ugly. drugs, nigella for a woman famous for her home cooking and sweet disposition. >> really all you need is a twist of ingenuity, a few foods on stand by and fabulously easy express recipes. >> reporter: her new show about to debut in america. >> this, the new competition, with the real bite. >> this is appalling. >> that offended me. >> i'm disappointed. >> reporter: over the summer it was nigella the apparent victim when her then husband seemed to choke her and twist her nose at a restaurant. he called it a playful tiff and denied ever abusing her. now though the defense for the two g

as nigella. max is live from london. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. this is an extraordinary case with lots of publicity here. the court case is about fraud. two of lawson's formal personal shi assistants are accused of charging money on a credit card over four years. the story wasn't getting much publicity until an e-mail to lawson accusing her of being aware of this fraud and allowing it to happen to cover up her drug use, which is an extraordinary allegation and we may hear more about that when mr. sachi appears in the court behind me today. both of these sisters deny all of these charges. but you will remember there was a famous photo that appeared in some newspapers earlier in the year. mr. sachi with his hand to lawson's throat. he has said in court via his lawyer that he only learned about this drug taking as he calls it, alleged drug taking around the time of that photo. so the world is pretty engrossed in this story and normally, these issues wouldn't come up in a fraud