rick ungar will be arguing with me before the end of the show. why do they accept the fact that this was predicated on a huge lie and they don't admit it? >> a lot of people are banking on helping obama create and protect his legacy. i think a lot of this -- remember the shutdown. this was over defund obama care. they wouldn't budge. now look. look at it unraveling. look what they have been defending and protecting as a big epic failure. >> i'm a liberal. i have no interest to protecting the the president's legacy at all. what i have an interest in is doing what's right by the american people. the president made a presumption that people you will would not want junk policies and if they wanted -- >> you are putting words -- hang on. one at a time. you are putting word ps in the president's mouth. what part of if you like your plan you can keep your plan period. >> in all fairness -- >> a hundred times. >> if your health care currently -- your current health care policy meet it is new higher standard of health care in this country, you can keep it

>> i find myself shockingly in agreement with rick ungar on this. i don't think somebody does not fly shld have to pay fees to the t.s.a. but as steve points out, you ow, this stuff is abused all the time. hat the steve, isn't the money is going -- again, you have more money from the private productive sector the wasteful government sector. >> yeah. if we had small government people wouldn't mind to pay a fee to go to the airpla if that's where they thought the money was going for. there is great support in the '50s for gasoline taxes to build the interstate highway syst bause people thought the money was going for a real purpose. >> morgan, again, it gets to the point -- milton freeman used talk about this, the more money you take from the private sector the weaker the economy is because you take it from the onlyector creating something. >> not necessarily. let's go back to florida for a second. they raised user fees in the la couple of years. the economy was walloped in the downturn. they have come in with a budget surplus for the state. part of t

it's a crisis of credibility. >> i want to go to rick ungar. you just heard from natalie. you heard from katherine. >> yeah. >> and there are millions of americans -- why do you justify this? >> but here's -- first of all, why do you justify not digging a little further? let me tell you another horror story. wait, wait, wait. we watched a -- >> did i ask him about another horror story? you see natalie? natalie's 29 and helps put 14-year-old kids to sleep. >> i know. how do you mean? i would like to sit down with natalie and get on the exchange. and you know what else, natalie, you didn't mention -- >> because i want it -- >> hold on a second. you know what natalie didn't mention -- >> wait a minute. she doesn't want it. >> you know what natalie didn't mention? you can buy a policy off the exchange. have you checked that out? >> katie. >> this is the point. is you're sitting there and the president sat there and democrats sat there over and over again saying you have to do this, we don't care about your choice. you're limiting -- >> he didn't say she had to do it. >> and no

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