that thetton said reason i rob banks is because that is where the money is. i think it was maybe it was sir edmund hillary who said, why do you want to climb the mountain? and he said, -- it may have been someone else. my apologies. why do you want to climb mountains? and he said, because they are there. >> yeah. i think that is part of it, but it is not a major part. i tend to be really analytical. if we could prove to the science community that we could build a vehicle that could go to the deepest spot in the ocean. by definition it could go anywhere. it opened up a whole frontier. see what i mean? so it was symbolic but it was symbolic of access, of the capability. i saw it as the starting point, creating a platform to deliver cameras and instruments and people everywhere. everywhere down there. opening up that dark continent. >> they used to say, and thinking about astronauts -- i've interviewed most of them -- people ofto say, literature and poets would say, wouldn't it be great if there was a poet on board? even the late norman mailer used to talk about