the next day the cdc said ms. vinson never should have gotten on that plane. >> the second health care worker reported no symptoms and no fever. however, because at that point she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> later it emerged why nurse vinson decided to do that. the cdc told her it would not be a problem. last night the cdc told "the kelly file" before we came to air that they were not blaming the victim here. but by this morning unnamed federal officials came out to say that ms. vinson had lied to them about how she was feeling. when challenged on that question today, the cdc director said this. >> i have not reviewed exactly what was said, but she did contact our agency. and she did board the plane. >> so the cdc director does not know if his own agency actually green lighted this travel while the nurse was showing symptoms. as has been reported. he says he doesn't know. others say it happened. in a court of law, that's pr

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thank you. >> as an added step, in consultation with the cdc, the cdc will be working with presbyterian to monitor all of the people that were in the self monitor pool as we are monitoring the 48 people in the monitor pool. and so the people that are -- that were self monitoring, all of whom are health care professionals, will now be monitored twice daily by epidemiologists and interviewed today by cdc epidemiologist. because that is an increase in workload for the cdc, dshs and dallas county 'epidemiology tea, it currently has 19 epidemiologists and disease detectives on the ground, i requested additional epi team and disease detective resources at midnight last night and they, i believe, have arrived and are meeting with dr. kuhar in another room. the cdc is not here today. they are busy working and we are about to leave to get back to the eoc. the pcr test has not been confirmed by the cdc in their lab as a double test, but we are confident -- unfortunately we're confident that it will be. that's what necessitated the state's release. the state is also not with us this morning, but t

the cdc has protocols. they have been trying to do some education but clearly that hasn't been effective enough that's why they are ramping up attempts to train infectious disease workers across the u.s.. the hospital leadership and their infection-control experts and each has their own infection-control department. they should have trained their staff. >> let me just get this in. this is a statement from the hospital from texas presbyterian. they say quote, we take compliance very seriously. we have numerous measures in place to provide a safe working environment including mandatory annual training and 24-7 hotline and other mechanicsisms that allow for anonymous reporting. here's the question. maybe it wasn't the anticipation that this actually happened here, that there would be this person that came from liberia who had been exposed and ultimately got sick and died. but i'm curious, there's only a finite number of beds in this hospital that can handle patients like this. emory being one of them. do you t

the cdc only gives recommendations. it is up to the hospitals and the local department of health to follow them. i think that you be more people held responsible other than just barack obama and the cdc. guest: two good points. rick perry is returning to the events dates immediately, i believe. he has cut short his european tour. be hiss supposed to attempt to burnish his foreign-policy expertise as he is a potential 2016 republican presidential candidate. he stopped his tour and is coming back to texas, he announced. i think you will hear from him soon. in fact, i can almost guarantee that he will be out in front of the cameras talking about this. you also bring up the point about who is really responsible for dealing with ebola crisis. repeatedlyd this from officials and nonmedical experts who say it is the local health departments that are primarily in charge of this. health,s department of the hospitals where the patients are being treated. they need to be the first line of defense against this. i have heard a lot o

again, that number is 1-800-cdc-info. we have had several communications with cdc this morning. i had direct conversation with the medical director for odh and we have had approximately three to four conference calls today, again, keeping us aware as far as what's going on with the recent case that you are all aware about as relates to ms. vinson. at this time, i would like to -- if there are no questions, i would like to now hand it over to the ems director. >> i have a question. ms. vinson. >> what i know about ms. vinson at this time is she's approximately -- ranges from the age of 26 to 28. she flew into cleveland to prepare for her wedding. she came in to visit her mother and her mother's fiancee. she departed from cleveland hopkins on monday, the 13th, and she arrived into dallas that afternoon. >> any additional questions about ms. vinson or anything else should be directed to the cdc. thank you. >> when you say you activated the command center, what does that mean specifically? what is the actual nature of this response? >> thank you for asking. what that means is that t

cdc based poster posted in the ed and cdc advisory from 7/28. emergency department with a fever of 100.1. abdominal pain, dizziness, nausea and of 101. d he was examined and went over tests. in the time his temperature went to 103 and later went to 102. and he was discharged and we provided a time line on the notable events. mr. duncan was transported by

cdc dr. braden said vinson may have felt ill all the way back to friday when she took that flight up from dallas to cleveland. >> we can't rule out that she wasn't ill, okay, for the time that she was here in ohio. so we're going to be very conservative. we're going to be verye'r. aggressive. >> reporter: because she may have been sick on that flightwep on october 10, cdc is contacting everybody on board the aircraft and make good progress. they i contacted mores than 50%f the passengers and say theypa contacted everyone who was on sa the return flight back from cleveland on monday. in ohio and dallas, officials are actively monitoring 12 people who came in contact with vinson, many of them family member, all of them said to be cooperating. though some family members areth leaping to her defense. her uncle reportedly telling people that she did nothing wrong. also insisting that she did not contact the cdc directly before she left because, quote, she didn't have to. cdc said there were clear

that person like you said confirmed that the cdc an epidemiologist inside the cdc told the patient before she was about to get on a plane in cleveland that she could get on that plane and travel because her temperature was under the threshold of what an ebola symptom could be. that is 100.5. that official also told me they deeply regret this and when i asked the official how could something like this happen? why would you even take that risk? why wouldn't you just send her to cleveland clinic to be looked at immediately? the official said this is uncharted territory and there is confusion within the cdc. so clearly, major issues within america's largest defense -- disease defense institution here in atlanta, john. >> so there is a third ebola patient at emory that we've heard about but don't know much about it. do you have any information about that patient? >> reporter: yeah, that patient flew in from sierra leone september 9th. quite a long time ago. pretty much everyone has sort of gorgteforgotten about that patit that patient put out a statement today, said they feel good, don't know

the cdc said get on the plane. that is why an exhaustive search is underway for the 132 passengers who flew with vinson. she boarded frontier flight and she had a fever of 99.5 degrees. she alerted them and they told her it was okay to board the plane. she was admitted to the hospital last night and she was told she is in worse condition than the first nurse, nina pham. and renee is out front. and you can spread ebola with fevers and she knew she was being monitored and knew she wasn't to leave her home and called the cdc. and now the people on the plane are at risk. and we called some people on the plane. they were scared and didn't want their name known. one man said we told you about the symptoms of ebola and told him to monitor himself for fever for the next 120 days and that is it. is that all the cdc is doing for those people? >> we do know the cdc has all of the names and phone numbers for the 132 people on board this flight. what the cdc says that they are doing is reaching out just like they reached out to

more importantly, the head of the cdc, dr. frieden, said you don't need a special hospital room to take care of ebola. all you need? a private room and bathroom. he said essentially any hospital in the country can take care of ebola. he said that less than two weeks ago. how could they have been so wrong? >> yeah. he was wrong. and what's interesting is josh earnest for the second straight day said, look, we have full confidence in dr. frieden despite some of those comments. the other issue they're they've got questions today about who's really in charge here. you've got dr. frieden. then all of a sudden, sylvia burwell, popped up on the "today" show. there was a convention call to be led by dr. frieden. secretary burwell took the lead instead. seems that they're now trying to eclipse dr. frieden even as they say full confidence. based on statements, they bringing in all kind of other officials to show a leadership role. in the end, that could be problematic, as well, if you don't have one top official who's really taking the

i asked the cdc, why? why wear two pairs of gloves, three pairs of booties, a plastic suit covering my entire body, and leave my neck hanging out this much? ♪ >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell. the government's response, the lack of preparation in hospitals, the impact on public transportation, all big questions for top policymakers from the president on down, and top officials will be testifying today. we have the story covered from all of the angles with our nbc team. gabe is joining me from the hospital in atlanta, and john yang as chicago o'hare international airport, but we begin with craig melvin out texas presbyterian hospital in dallas. you have breaking news on nina pham. >> reporter: she's going to be moved from here later today. i spoke with the county executive here in dallas, and he told me that he did not want to see this hospital, texas presbyteri presbyterian, did not want to see the hospital house more than one ebola patient at a time, explaning why amber vincent was sent to emery yesterd

what is the cdc saying about that? >> i think we're going to hear some changes in the guidelines specifically. ana, you and i talked about this yesterday. i did a demonstration of exactly what the protocol was for health care workers when they're taking care of a patient with ebola, and when showing that, you know, it was easy to see there are areas for example of the skin that were not protected, my neck for example not protected under those strict protocols that i was following and that's a problem. i think that you're going to see some changes in those guidelines and maybe make it more uniform. they have to balance this to be fair, ana. they don't want to make it too complicated. the more steps you add, the more chances for error. on the other hand, protecting the skin from bodily fluids potentially getting on it is a very basic core concept. >> protecting the spread, we're talking this morning about a woman who had contact with thomas duncan, she was supposed to be self-monitoring, she ended up on the airplane. let

i do not trust the cdc. the other question is, where is the department of health and human services? where is the surgeon general? do we have one? where are the other health officials? wire we just looking to the cds the? >> not yet approved by the u.s. senate. a couple of final comments on twitter. this one is from texas. his spokesman says -- chris van hollen, a democrat in the house, says he spoke with director cones of the nih and told me it is specifically equipped to handle ebola -- lastly, from dennis ross -- we look for your comments. one more comment on facebook -- >> i want to let you know the hearing is coming up momentarily. you knowant to let about our campaign 2014 coverage. coming up, the iowa senate debate. bruce braley will be debating tonight. his republican opponent, joni ernst. we'll have that live for you at 8 p.m. eastern here on c-span. goingt, though, we're to -- oh. and i want to remind you too of governor's debate coming up tomorrow night. scott walkerker -- against the democrat, ma

the cdc only gives recommendations. it is up to the hospitals and the local department of health to follow them. i think that you be more people held responsible other than just barack obama and the cdc. guest: two good points. rick perry is returning to the events dates immediately, i believe. he has cut short his european tour. be hiss supposed to attempt to burnish his foreign-policy expertise as he is a potential 2016 republican presidential candidate. he stopped his tour and is coming back to texas, he announced. i think you will hear from him soon. in fact, i can almost guarantee that he will be out in front of the cameras talking about this. you also bring up the point about who is really responsible for dealing with ebola crisis. repeatedlyd this from officials and nonmedical experts who say it is the local health departments that are primarily in charge of this. health,s department of the hospitals where the patients are being treated. they need to be the first line of defense against this. i have heard a lot o

but unfortunately, the protocols, if you go to google, put in cdc ebola, go to the cdc ebola site, the protocols on the cdc ebola site are based on a risk assessment, looking at symptoms, identifying the hazards and what you need to protect are not correct and it needs to be changed. >> i want both of you doctors to stand by. we have a lot more to discuss. the breaking news on ebola, stand by for that. >>> also in a cnn exclusive, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff talks about his own fears of ebola and what he calls the winning strategy for the war against isis. >>> and later, my emotional, powerful journey in search of my own family's roots. from tracfone, i can... order safety goggles. play music for seedlings. post science fair projects. schedule guinea pig feedings. video chemical reactions. take pics of mr. bones. time the next launch. calm down principal jones. i can do all that with my android from tracfone. 90-day plans start as low as $20. unbeatable nationwide coverage. no contract. the samsung galaxy centura. just $59.88. tracfone. do everything for less. helps you f

we have a lot more on the cdc. coming up on the program tonight, and ebola, members of the obama white house are taking heat for downplaying this threat from the very beginning all while the left is trying to politicize this and blame it on republicans. we'll check in with the architect on the politicizing of this. we'll get his reaction. but first meet the parents of the nbc cameraman who did come down with ebola. an exclusive update on his condition. that's coming up. later tonight, our question of the day. much more straight ahead. why do i cook? because i make the best chicken noodle soup >>because i make the best chicken noodle soup because i make the best chicken noodle soup for every way you make chicken noodle soup, make it delicious with swanson® >>> and welcome back to "hannity." doctors say the american video journalist who was infected with ebola while working in liberia, ashoka mukpo, continues to show improvements every day. we're happy to report that mukpo was even well enough to return to social me

so who knows what is happening within the cdc. did dr. frieden know that and didn't reveal it in the press conference, or is he misinformed? is the communication that bad? and if so is that why the protocols or so-called protocols were not followed at the dallas hospital and why the nurse's union are saying they are not prepared. these are questions that need answers, and hopefully today we get them so this so-called panic in the american public can calm down, and the focus can go back to west africa where thousands of people are infected. the situation in america is alarming. beyond that the real story at this point is over in west africa. i cannot emphasize that enough, del. >> robert ray in atlanta. let's take a brief listen to the testimony happening right now. these are members of congress giving their opening statements. take a listen just for a moment. >> -- by isolating patients, the u.s. healthcare system can prevent isolated cases from becoming broader outbreaks. and that's why i'm glad dr. frieden is with us, and dr. varga will

but now the hospital has said it followed cdc guidelines and the cdc has acknowledged the guidelines were inadequate. they updated them actually two days ago. take a look, on the left side of your screen you can see what the actual guidelines called for. you can see the neck is exposed. on the right, you can see what has been added, a hood that covers the second layer, that is what groups like doctors without borders have been using for a long, long time. sean kaufman is the head of the improvement based solutions and oversaw the infection control at the hospital where nancy writebol and dr. kent brantly were treated. and none of them got infected. i spoke to him a short time ago. sean, i heard you said earlier that the cdc guidelines were quote, absolutely irresponsible and dead wrong. explain exactly what you were talking about. >> well, i think it is fair to sa ebola is a virus, there are two ways to look at it. number one, we interact with it in a laboratory environment and in the other way we interact with it today in a clinical setting. at cdc, when the labs worked with ebola i

our first speaker today is cdc director dr. tom frieden. >> good afternoon, everyone, and thank you very much for joining us. stopping ebola is hard. we're working together to make it safer and easier. yesterday we confirmed the first case of ebola contracted in the united states in a healthcare worker who cared for what we--who we refer to as the index patient in dallas, texas. our thoughts are with this healthcare worker. she is now being cared for, and we understand that she is clinically stable. refer any questions on her care to the hospital where she's being cared for, for the information that she and her family want released is released. the existence of the first case of ebola spread in the u.s. changes some things, and it doesn't change other things. it doesn't change the fact that we know how ebola spreads. it doesn't change the fact that it is possible to take care of ebola safely. but it does change substantially how we approach it. we have to rethink the way we address ebola in infection control. even a single infe

vinson boarded the plane with a temperature of 99.5 degrees, which the cdc said was vital of cdc protocol. >> because at that point she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> cdc is now trying to track down all 132 passengers who were on board that flight, frontier airlines flight 1143, although they're said to be at a low risk for transmission. according to the airline, the patient showed no signs of illness during the flight. the plane itself has been thoroughly decontaminated. cdc said vinson had extensive contact with duncan while he was producing highly contagious bodily fluids including vomit and diarrhea. medical records show she inserted catheters, drew blood and handled the patient's bodily fluids. she flew to northeast ohio a week ago today to visit family and plan her wedding. according to ohio health officials three of her relatives including her mother are employees at kent state university. while vinson didn't visit the campus during her stay, the school says her family members did. they've been

namely, the cdc and others. they are concerned that if you enact these strict guidelines, these mandatory quarantines for people who are returning after being in contact with ebola patients, that you simply won't get health care workers who are willing to go over there and do the important work. we'll read a statement we got from the cdc. they say, health care workers volunteering to combat the ebola epidemic in west africa are heroes. the epidemic there won't end without them and without their work the u.s. will be at increased risk. we must protect their safety and well-being and treat them with respect when they return home while continuing to take action to protect americans so ebola does not spread here. frankly, those sent. s are similar to what we heard from the nurse who is in quarantine in new jersey. she was tested for ebola, tested negative and saying she feels that health care workers are going to be treated like criminals or prisoners if they're forced into this kind of quarantine when they return h

. >> the cdc is tracking down passengers. the president cancels a campaign trip, and a national nurses union says hospitals are not prepared. then after national democrats pull funding in kentucky hillary lends a hand on the campaign trail. >>> plus he's considered a 2016 presidential contender, so what happens if governor scott walker loses his re-election bid? "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. president obama canceled his plans today and convened an emergency meeting on ebola. in the face of mounting evidence that the government's response to the crisis has been shoddy, haphazard and insufficient to keep americans safe. the second nurse to contract ebola at a hospital in dallas has just touched down in atlanta on the way to emory university hospital which has already successfulle treated american aid workers who contracted ebola in west africa without any infections among its staff. the same cannot be said for texas health presbyterian hospital which treated thomas eric duncan, the libe

apparently they were following cdc guidelines and i'm happy to see the cdc guidelines have ratcheted up their precautions but still on their website i do not find anywhere for hazmat boots or protective gear. when patients are sick with ebola, they have a lot of vomiting and diarrhea and there are body fluids everywhere including falling off the bed onto your shoes and ankles and pants and nurses need hazmat boots and rubber aprons. it's possible that nina pham and amber vinson got it from taking off their shoes and socks because it doesn't seem like there was foot protection. >> they are trying to figure out how this went from the patient to two nurses. you paint a very ugly picture of this particular virus and in response to all of that from these nurses, you know, this hospital in dallas released this blow by blow countering these multiple accusations and overall this hospital says it follows cdc protocol and there were fears about duncan's lab specimens containing other patients and they say it didn't leak or spill. they said the nurse's next were exposed. listen to one more thin

it's easy to do this to the cdc. i'm not saying the cdc has been awesome through this whole thing whatsoever. the cdc are not this agency that mandates protocol and guidelines. they have to recommend them. they aren't even allowed to say i'm going to texas to fix this. texas has to invite them. it's not entirely what people think. >> no, it isn't. cdc provides the proper guidelines and those guidelines change over time as we get experience. >> just recently changing. evolving. >> there's only been 2,500 ebola cases diagnosed up until this outbreak. we didn't have a lot of information on ebola except for what came out in laboratories and individual outbreaks in the last 25 years. so it's a tough job dealing with a new outbreak. even if you know what the disease is and you know what the virus is, how it acts in a big population is completely different and we learn new things all the time and the whole idea is to be nimble, learn new things, adapt your recommendations. tom frieden doesn't have the opportunity to sit bac

cdc also does staff quarantine stations. we will need a small number of staff at these 25 airports, it will in no way make it difficult for us to stop the outbreak in africa. in the room. >> earlier you talked about the added level of screening, including checking temperatures but if the symptoms don't show up potentially for 21 days, how does that help? >> we're looking at every layer that could be put in and assessing different possibilities for what could be done. one of the issues quite important is the information provided to travellers who arrive in this country, that is provided in west africa and here through the entry station to individuals entering here. that is an area we will look at closely in the coming days. next question in the room. >> could you describe where the decision to do this additional screening at airports came from? did it originate in homeland security or cdc or in the white house first. i ask because i know you were critical of taking this step a week ago and second, can you tell us a little bit

and yet the cdc cleared her to fly home. now, as we learn more about her illness, it is raising new questions about how many people may have been exposed. trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom with more. trace. >> megyn, because amber vinson might have been showing symptoms much earlier than thought, that greatly changes the strategy of the cdc, frontier airlines and authorities in ohio. for example, we know she flew frontier airlines from dallas to cleveland on friday october 10th. this is a map of how many other flights the plane she was on flew in the days after she got to cleveland, dozens, carrying several thousand passengers. the plane was never taken out of service. but now the cdc says it's making good progress on contacting all of the passengers who flew with vinson from dallas to cleveland. while amber vinson was in ohio, family and friends say she kept her distance, no hugs or kisses. still, ohio authorities are monitoring 12 people she came in contact with and are taking other precautions. family member

so far the faa has punted to the cdc. the faa put out a press release saying it's up to the cdc. cdc said they will conduct the screenings, if someones that the elevated temperatures they will do the questioning and have seclusion rooms where they can decide what to do. but as you and i know, if someone is sick and needs to go to the hospital they don't have a lot of ability to detain people, et cetera and we're about to head into two seasons, one bad, one good. flu season and thanksgiving and christmas holiday and the peak travel season of the year. people traveling with children as well. so that poses a lot of problem for the cdc on retaining and detaining people. and i think that is probably where we run into problems with false positives. it's not going to work for long. >> one additional question. let's assume that today someone

there's going to be a news conference from the cdc coming up shortly. you know this is going to be topic "a" and this story has ratcheted up considerably because of the fear factor, the concern people have about what this means and the fact it wasn't all contained here in dallas. it went outside dallas to another city and back with passengers along for that ride. >> and, mark, even within dallas, from the briefing we heard earlier and at 1:00, there's going to be another cdc briefing and we'll be hearing more. even within dallas, we were told repeatedly that cdc was on the case, they were there in dallas, that hospital was doing the right thing. now we learn that they acknowledge they were late to get there and that the procedures clearly failed. now, you still have not been told you all covering it in dallas where the breach was, but clearly, according to at least the nurses who were overnight on that conference call organized by a labor of organizations representing nurses. there were serious breaches from people who went in and out of containment in

the cdc says it regrets that decision. all 132 passengers on board that flight are being urged to come forward. a few hours earlier, president obama tried to calm growing fears about how the health system is handling ebola. >> the key thing to understand about this disease is that these protocols work. we know that because they have been used for decades now in ebola cases around the world including the cases that were treated in emory and in nebraska. so, if they are done properly, they work. >> despite the president's reainsurance tonight, developments call in to question the competency of the cdc, which has repeatedly said the situation is under control. here is director thomas frieden on september 30th. >> we are stopping it in its tracks in this country. we can do that because of two things: strong healthcare infection control that stops the spread of ebola and strong core public health functions. >> robert ray is in atlanta with the latest tonight. robert? >> reporter: john, good evening. indeed, as you reported, the

is it the cdc? i don't think it is the cdc. right now they're focused a lot on what's happening in the united states, appropriately. but at the same time we have a global concern and liberia and in this epicenter overseas. and we need one person that is the spokesperson, it does have the medical knowledge. they can coordinate with clarity, with consistency around the country. ultimately, though, it's going to be a local response. the typical american today is not at risk. there are 23,000 people who die of the common flu every year. and people need to recognize that. and relax in many ways, recognize it's very significant, but this is not something that the average american needs to be overly concerned about in terms of their own safety. >> that is great perspective to be reminding people of this morning. sanjay, do you think that is the answer, having one point person going forward? >> yeah. i agree with the senator on that. you know, in part what i think is what you're seeing is while the local health departments are in charg

the cdc told her she could do it. more on this as we get it. >>> a disturbing report of leftover chemical weapons in iraq after the fall of saddam hussein. soldiers coming in contact with this until as recently at 2011. the majority of discoveries happened in an area that's now under the control of the terror army known as isis. general jack keane, former army vice chief of staff. good to see you. the "new york times" is reporting that the chemical weapons first have already been used against u.s. troops in the course of our first stint in iraq. and that the government, the u.s. government decided to keep it quiet. is that true? >> well, i find that hard to believe. well, frankly the weapons could be used by isis. obviously they found some of these old weapons. and go back to the '80s, et cetera, our troops found some of them as well. their mission was -- our troops mission was not to clean this up. that was something the iraqis was supposed to do. and obviously they didn't do a very good job of it. so isis had those.

you can see the cdc director, dr. tom frieden testifying, continually now for the last couple of hours, taking questions from members of congress. keeping it here on that. we'll bring you the latest and breaking developments when warranted. >>> in the meantime, a lot of moving parts in the ebola story today. the white house trying to keep a lid on it, scrambling to ease concerns and calling for calm. >> this is ray draft that's being circulated around the pentagon and elsewhere in the government that would potentially have the president call up of national guard to get more men and women in uniform over to west africa to deal with this at the source. now, the key, though, is the president has not yet signed off on it. number two, the president also authorized up to 3,900 u.s. troops to go to west africa. about 500 are either there or en route. it's hard to this will be that new or whether it's partially for show. looks like they're doing more when, in fact, troops are already headed there. we're told by some officials

i think the cdc kind of thought well, anybody should know how to do this. we've been telling hospitals for months to get ready for this. actually the practice and scale and the dedicated team that really believes in this and is really devoted to this, and not all hospitals have that. >> we have video of dr. sanjay gupta putting on and taking off the gear that we can run right now just to give people a sense of how careful you have to be in doing this. elizabeth, we're going to talk over this. you know, if there are two now health care workers who have tested positive for ebola. the question is could there be more? where are we in the time line right now of exposure? >> john, i'm going to take out a calendar as i speak with you because the last time any of these workers would have had exposure to duncan was october 8th. the most worrisome window for infection is eight to ten days after being with an infected person. and if i'm reading my calendar right, we're now at day eight. in the next couple of days we may be seeing more. if we get past 10, 12, 13, you c

cdc said monitored workers are not able to travel. so far two have fallen ill with ebola and there's a chance others will get sick. the nurses from dallas asked to stay anonymous for fears they might lose their jobs. here's what they told national nurses united. >>> as we reported on this program, nurses around the country feel like the hospitals are not prepared to handle ebola. survey shows 85% nurses say their hospital hasn't provided education on ebola with the ability to ask questions. 37% say the hospital has insufficient protective gear. these issues must be addressed or more accidents will happen. for more i'll bring in nbc news correspondent from the white house tonight. there has to be a heightened sense of urge ens amongst the white house personnel what are you hearing. >> at any moment we expect the group of the reporters known as white house pool will bring out the tape after the president talked about this issue. it is not a live feed. we're expecting that tape. that will give us the newest indication of the president's

. >> the head of the cdc is sounding a note of optimism about the u.s. government's ability to stop ebola in its straks. he says that the ten or so people in this higher risk group are being monitored constantly. >> we -- eb mpb la only spreads by someone who has direct contact. so the core of control is identifying everyone who might have had contact with them and making sure they're monitored for 21 days. >> in the meantime, later developed ebola is fighting for his life. thomas eric duncan's condition has been downgraded to critical. he of course is being kept in an isolation unit as a precaution. let's take you live to dallas. they have been watching for any signs of ebola and they couldn't find them. now they have located them. they have their phone numbers but they were not at home when authorities visited them. the idea is to follow. >> it's great that they have been found. it brings up the issue of how do you close enough monitor these people even when they're low risk and whether authorities have any say. you can't take them into custody, can th

the cdc foundation is a nonprofit that helps support the cdc. well all of that got us wondering how big is the cdc budget? how much money do they have? so it has been cut 10% in the past four years to $5.8 billion this year and that is a lot of money but maybe it isn't. when you look at it this way. forbes estimates zuckerburg is worth $33 billion. so if he wanted to fund the cdc for a year, it would only cost 8% of his net worth. so should more be left to private individuals. go to cnn "outfront" or tweet me on that. >>> and next, an investigation. beau bergdahl was held captive and he walked off the case. >>> and join me on a trip in a remote scottish isle for a research of my roots. >> it is when we learned there was a people here that were related to us, that is when it felt real. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow be

we don't know if there is a supervisory system, and the cdc guidance and the protocols and the cdc are the best in what they do, but it is the implementation, and we are not getting enough information, and now as we go to talk about the hospital preparedness and readiness throughout the country, the hospitals have the facilities, but they don't have are the management systems and the how to implement in place, and to say we are not ready, and this is what we need, but we are using the protocols to help them with the national program. >> and this is going to be working with other diseases as well, and it is a same protocol for a lot of the contagious diseases, and not just in case you get ebola, but other times that the procedures can be used. >> candy, winter is flu season, and we are about to hit the flu season, and at the moment, a few ebola case, and we have flu cases coming in with the fatigue, and the body aches, which is the same, and we have to look at the e trtriage and t national strategy plan as to what to do with the flu is season. >> and elizabeth, one of the things in the

that's what the cdc is saying. i know people don't always trust it these days but if you think about who caused the disease, it's not people who knew duncan in passing. those 48 people now look as though they aren't going to catch this. they are past their peak time that he would catch area they are heading towards the second half of the period. the people that caught it or the people that are really handling the disease, you know, who dealt with duncan when he was in the throw of this. there were front-line workers dealing with bodily fluids directly. people sitting on the plane even if you are sitting next to somebody that you're just sitting there and the chances of you catching it according to the cdc is zero. so if you look at it that way, it makes sense that the cdc says we are not particularly worried people caught the disease but she was at the threshold when it could have been dangerous it is the next day or the day after. >> host: the call for the global response, what has been a response in the other cou

members of congress expected answers from the cdc. what they got is this. >> i don't know the details. >> reporter: time and again tom frieden dodged questions like how did two hospital workers get the disease. >> i still don't feel like we have a good answer of why nurse one and nurse two contracted ebola. is it because there was a problem with not following the protocol or is there something wrong with the protocols? >> and i think what the american people are wanting is some assurance that somebody does know the details. >> the investigation is ongoing. we've identified some possible causes. >> so we don't know. >> reporter: another question, why did the cdc tell the second nurse she could board a commercial plane even with her temperature rising. >> i have not reviewed exactly what was said. but they r she did -- but she did contact our agency and she did board the plane. >> and she said she was told to board the plane. >> that would be correct. >> now your august 22nd protocols say people who are being monitored should not travel

cdc admitted more could have been done in texas. two health care workers have with ebola, even as nurses and other medical suggest that protocols are being developed on the fly. and none of us can understand an a nurse, who treated ebola-infected patient and who had herself developed a fever permitted to board a commercial airline and fly across the country. public'sonder that the confidence is shaken. over a month before, before wela reached our shores, wrote secretary burwell seeking details for the preparedness and at home andn here abroad. it's clear whatever plan was in place was insufficient. believe we can and must do better now. we need a plan to treat those train health to care workers to safely provide care and to stop the spread of home and at here at its shores in africa. this includes travel or bans from that region, beginning today. surely we can find other ways to the aid workers and supplies into these countries, and from to terrorists watch lists quarantines, there are tools used to manage air travel to assure publi

cdc and n.i.h. tell us ebola patients are only contagious having a fever however the largest study of the current outbreak found 13% of confirmed cases in west africa did not have associated fever. now i respect the cdc as the gold standard for public health. the need for strong congressional oversight and partnership remains paramount. i want to understand why cdc and the white house change course in 2010 on proposals first introduced in 2005 that would have strengthened the federal quarantine authority. we're here to work through these and fix these problems. i restate my ongoing concern that administrative officials refuse to consider any travel restrictions for the more than 1,000 travelers entering the united states each week from ebola hot zones. a month ago the president told us someone with ebola reaching our shores was unlikely. and that we have taken the necessary precautions to increase screening at airports that someone with the virus does not get on a plane for the united states. screen

they said that would be cdc. i understand all of your reasons -- while i don't agree with them completely, i understand about humanitarianism in all of that, but don't you think we should restrict travel on dogs? legs we will follow-up on what is recommended -- >> we will follow-up on what is recommended. >> i like to start by mentioning "will americaled meet the ebola challenge?" i would like to submit that for the record. this has been a very enlightening hearing. i would like to acknowledge that the kentucky international guard, which is taste in my district, is in senegal providing help for the 101st. so into the ink them for their effort. displaying my ignorance, we know that you cannot do text ebola until it -- until itagious becomes symptomatic, at which point it is contagious. is there any way to detect going on? >> at this point, we don't have a test that would identify it before someone has symptoms. the test only turns positive when they are sick. the test is for the virus itself. that is another reaso

cdc already does staff quarantine stations. we'll need to add a small number of additional staff to provide 24/7 coverage at the four airports and in no way is it going to make it more difficult to stop the outbreak in africa. in the room? >> earlier you talked about the added level of screening includes checking temperatures, but if the symptoms don't show up for potentially 21 days, how does that help? >> we're looking at every layer that can be put in, and we're assessing different pockets f possibilities that can be done. one of the things that is important is to assess information from travelers that arrive in this country and that's provided in west africa, it's provided here through the cbp entry station, through information from individuals entering here. that's one of the areas we'll be looking at closely in the coming days. next question in the room. >> could you describe where the decision to do this additional screening at airports came from? did it original in homeland security or with the cdc or in the white house

the cdc is redoing their guidelines. i guess that's a step in the right direction but i don't know how long that will take. and our concern is that it should have been done yesterday. >> of course. >> but can a nurse refuse to go to work? >> i think a nurse would probably, without a union contract, certainly not be wise to refuse to go to work. but certainly she or he should not step in with a patient that might have something like ebola or anyáhing else infectious without the proper gear and it shouldn't be required of you. the employer's job is to protect you and the employers have not done that well so far. >> all right. jean roth, thank you so much for being with us this evening. dr. arnot, i'm going to go back to you. jean makes it very clear, they are not being trained, they don't have guidelines. aren't hospitals autonomous. don't they decide what they are going to buy or not buy? >> i think it's irresponsible for a hospital administrator or doctor to put these poor nurses at risk. it's just plain wrong. if you t

cdc has additional staff to assist with this response. we will work with them the investigation, itself, what happens, where someone goes in where ebola is being cared for. when they leave. the two areas where we will particularly focus is the performance of respiratory intubation. both of those concern contaminated materials and are considered high risk well desperately try to save his life. we are doing this as a major area where you have gone in to. it is a risk of any contaminated material, watching you and being your clothed and leading to an infection, critically important we don't know what it will find during the coming weeks. before i turn is it over to dr. lakey in cases, this is because the healthcare workers who cared for this individual have had a breach of the same -- may have had a breach of the same nature of the individual. >> risk is for people who are being monitored, all of whom have been and none so far have developed symptoms or fever and in those who may have been exposed for the patient while he was being cared for

at cdc, we have seen the level of interest increase. in fact, we were getting 50 calls or e-mails per day before the initial patient was diagnosed here. it is up to about 800 calls or e-mails per day. and we understand the level of concern. we also understand that people would like to do everything possible to keep ebola out of the u.s., and we agree with that 100%. our top priority at cdc is to protect americans from threats. we work 24/7 to do that. in this case, we are doing that by many different ways. one is working to stop the outbreak at its source in africa. because as long as cases continue there, there's a possibility that someone will travel, infect someone else, come into this country or another country, and possibly have another case of ebola. as long as the outbreak is continuing in africa, there's a risk in other places. we have long said it, it is worth repeating. an outbreak anywhere is potentially a threat everywhere. but that doesn't mean we can't do anything. one of the things we do is make sure everyone leaving thos