used in iraq and afghanistan. this is about one hour. [inaudible conversations] good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us this evening. i am richard fontaine, the president for the new american security. it's a pleasure to welcome all of you tonight for the celebration of the new book upon its publication sites of the memoir a modern war and the practice. if you come to these events before and you've read our publication, that the work is no doubt known. he was the second president and has left very large shoes that i've been attempting to fill since then. he serves as a house member in pennsylvania and he's a visiting professor he is a visiting professor at king's college in london. his book i saw in the proposal form quite a while ago when he was thinking about doing this and i have to confess that in the back of my head even just a few minutes ago i thought a book on the middle east and iraq and counter insurgency and terrorism and all of this, you know, how could this be possibly relevant to today but he has impeccable timing bec

is to r strategy in iraq go back and undo the things went wrong in iraq. you have better leadership, we stand up their military eventually restoring the border. i think we can assume the most of this isis members will end up in syria if we move them out of iraq. so what about the syrian peace, the free syrian army. long will it take for them to become an effective force? >> i think we have testified we can sly berthing to put enough pressure on the isis forces in syria. but would probably need 15,000. >> will there be an offensive force? the actually going to syria and attack and destroy? >> it would be a force large enough to defend initially so can actually hold territory. it should have the capability of the town to become offensive. do we get 15,000, talking timeline? are actually ils part of of a planner contention. they are talking about isis in iraq and syria. were along the way will be enough of a critical mass to employ. i do know what tomorrow, but will get more details. >> mr scott. >> thank you for being here. we know you have a lot on your pla

engaged in iraq. there may be other components, shia militia, those kinds of groups that have been there, that have over the years we've dealt with over the years, but as far as an official iranian government military presence in iraq, i'm not aware of any. >> now turkey. >> turkey, as i noted in my comments, has agreed to be one of the training sites for the train and equip of the syrian moderate opposition. they as you know worked with us opening up the air space to get in supplies into kobani for the peshmerga to resupply their forces. they continue to work with us on other areas of common interest, but are important to our efforts there, and of course to their own border. they, as you know, are hosting 1.5 million refugees coming out of syria. so, you know, they are part of the coalition, an active part, and we continue to work with them in the military. >> the gentleman's time has expired. mr. conaway is recognized for four minutes. >> i'd like to yield my time to dr. hecht, chairman of the subco

force in iraq. pentagon press secretary rear admiral john kirby unveiled the plan on friday. >> the commander-in-chief has authorized chuck hagel to deploy to iraq up to 1500 additional u.s. personnel over the coming months in a noncombat role to expand our advice and insist -- assist mission. secretary hagel made this recommendation to the president based on the request of the government of iraq. the assessment of iraqi units, progress iraqi security forces have made in the field and in concert with development of the coalition campaign plan to defend key areas and go on the offense of against isil. >> in a significant expansion of the american military campaign against isis, military advisers will reportedly establish training sites across iraq. the $5.6 billion plan will reportedly be presented to congress during the lame-duck session that begins this week. the u.s. military expansion in iraq comes amid conflicting reports over the fate of isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi. iraqi officials claim h

in iraq. let's not forget, going back to where iraq was is no great thing. the iraqi state had failed basically its people. since the removal of zairm saddam hussein and the first ten years after that the iraqi government spent $500 billion of revenue and did not build a single hospital, a single power plant. that is failure on frankly of astonishing scale. so defeating isis, if that means going back to what the iraqi state was and i really see little prospect of going back to anything different all of a sudden, then we have to keep very much focused and very worried about what happens next in iraq. now, i described in a way where i think we are now. i'd like to add a few more comments in the form of questions if you'd like as to what next. well, first, who of us still remembers that there's an air campaign going on. i'll confess frankly i get. up in the morning and look at the news. that bit of news i never look at. i'm not even aware. maybe the strikes stopped a week ago. maybe someone will tell me. because i don't think they are important or relevant. cer

in both iraq and syria. last week canada launched the first air strikes in iraq bringing the total to 12 nations participating in strike operations in iraq and syria. as additional partners provide tanker command and control and intelligence survive and aircraft. coalition nations have also pledged hundreds of personnel to support our mission to train, advise, assist and help build the capacity of iraqi forces. a global coalition is shaping the burden of the campaign with nearly all our coalition partners funding their own contributions. with the president's special envoy with general john allen, allen is in the lead as he coordinates the coalition strategy and contributions across all of lines of effort with our coalition partners. as a coalition and as a nation, we must prepare for a long and difficult struggle. there will be setbacks. but we are seeing steady and sustainable progress and mr. chairman that is an important part of answering the questions we have. the questions we have about our own strategy

capturing iraq's second-largest city, mosul in june. critics charged that turkey chose to overlook the black market, smuggled into turkey. by some estimates, black market oil supplies i.s.i.l. with as much as $2 million a day in revenue. now, if i.s.i.l. is smuggling oil over the border. maybe some turkish people benefit and it's not a threat to the security of turkey, of course. >> yes. it gives funds to the islamic state. turkey's view of the islamic state is slightly ambivalent in that they are determined to see the end of santa barbara. and they do not, in looking at syria see many players likely to achieve that help. >> one of turkey's complicated relationship is with the kurd, who have autonomy in northern iraq. turkey fought a three decade long insurgency in its own territory, which took the lives of 30,000 people. over the past few years, turkey forged a relationship, yielding 6.2 million barrels of oil, worth $600 million through a pipeline. the iraqi kurds, in turn, used the money to finance kurdish peshawar fighters, who are

in syria and then move on to iraq? the way one read about them maybe a year for a so, ragtag fertile people, ideology for this group and also the notion of the caliphate in the 21st century is absurd even for a person like me who grew up in iran. what will it take to just defeat -- >> this is the million-dollar question. i don't alleged to have a comprehensive answer but maybe i can give you a few suggestions. i think there are three layers to this. one is a military solution in the other an ideological solutions and the other is a much more deep social solution. the military solution seems clear even if accomplishing that goal will be very difficult. here i think if we want to defeat isis militarily it will involve a large and comprehensive and inclusive coalition inside the middle east. it may include groups we currently do not want fighting isis such as the syrian regime. that is the military solution continuation of what is happening and arguably escalation. isis is successful not because it imposes itself but beca

or coalition forces flying into iraq. they are providing some advisors, i think, and they are also providing direct air support. in some cases, they are dropping bombs against i.s. target did so while they may not be sending troops in. we have gotten pretty good regional support, retired general john allen has been in charge of that. >> would you give us a sense of whan an add advisories does? what's a day-to-day for an advisor helping troops? >> that's a great question. up until recently, there hasn't really hasn't been a military specialty for advisor outside of the special forces or special operations forces. >> that's starting to change. we have tremendous experience inside the u.s. military now with advising iraqis, afghans and other forces around the world. so actually, i think the u.s. military has some of the best, if not the best, add advisories in the world what time they do on a daily basis is they go in, provide advice to commanders about which decisions to make, about how to arm and train their troops, about

in iraq and afghanistan. in iraq, the decision early on to not only topple saddam hussein, but to basically purge from theists government and military, the result being a disintegration of government structures in the entire country. now the virtual dismemberment of iraq as a functioning state. also in afghanistan, going in after al qaeda and ending up, for 10 years, fighting the taliban, who had never attacked the united states. you talk about both of those? >> in the case of iraq, the misunderstanding of their role in history, part of what we experience going after the nazis in germany, imperial japan from 1945, did not fully understand t and sunniathis population had a big overlap. those were the educated folks, the people that not just ran the police and intelligence services, but also the power, water, education system, hospitals. when you sign a blanket order and say that these people can have nothing to do with society, not only do we disenfranchise them and create essentially the core of the insurgenc

simply put, after a ten year occupation, the iraq politic did not want us to stay in iraq. >>> at every step along the way, iraqis did not believe we would actually leave and follow through. they didn't think we would withdraw from the cities. they didn't think we would lead our combat mission, we did. we have to demonstrate to them that we meant it. in effect, we have to leave, in order to find a way back on the security side and gradually build up our engagement. it's a fair question to ask whether this modest residual force would have made a difference. and i think a fair answer to that is, in some ways yes and some ways no. first, it would have had a combat mission. indeed, i will have been caught in the middle of everything that was going on. iraqis would have faced severe restrictions. >> violent incidents went down from 1600 a week to 100 a week at that point. that would have better enabled us to deal with iraqis and isil and maybe help us better shape iraqi security policy. that's why we sought to leave a residual force and exactly why we upon the withdraw of our forces, we trie

in 2004, young was shot and paralyzed in iraq. last year, 10 years after the invasion of iraq, young announced his intention to take his own life due to immense suffering from his injuries. he wrote a letter to former president george w. bush and vice president dick cheney, which he read on democracy now! reckoning, yours will come. . hope you will be put on trial i hope you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, deserved towho live. >> tomas young later decided to live. he died at home this week in seattle. we will talk more about tomas young after headlines with filled on a few, who codirected the film about thomas called "body of war." as the united states marks veteran's day today, the administration has announced it may fire 1,000 staffers who were part of the failure to provide adequate healthcare to veterans. newly appointed veterans affairs secretary bob mcdonald cited improvements in care. >> we have developed something we call the blueprint for v.a.'snce to reestablish leader in health care

areas in syria and in iraq the i.s. is trying to carry out effectively and force additional fighters from men that are quite young, adolescent boys? >> i think it is fair to say that is what is happening. there's a sense of fear that isil uses in order to force individuals who perhaps with intent to fight. britons have had some vets have returned or come back to your. i've actually said they were monitored and that they were seen not to continue to fight with the same level of energy they would actually be killed or somehow persecuted so you are absolutely right. i think there's a massive amount of fear and brutality that isil is using in order to contain the ranks. >> thank you. at the moment the consulate is. [inaudible] does that allow optimal service? >> when we arrived i have to say i shared my surprise that we had arrived at the consulates location. what is fair to say is where things were in june, where the kurdish region was going in june were where we are today. i am pleased there are reinforcements coming in t

militants from ey iraq and levat overran mosul and claimed large swaths of both iraq and syria. >> today our men and women in uniform are taking the fight against isil in iraq and syria and chuck helped build the international coalition to insure that the world is meet this is threat together. >> while the president praised hagel at the white house monday, the secretary was seen as out of step with the president on isil. in august, he called the militants an imminent threat to every interest we have. both he and chairman of the joint chiefs, jeanmar tin dempsey, talked openly about the need to ground forces against isil, even though the president said there would be no u.s. boots on the ground. reports of internal tensions center around a foreign policy team close to the president that increasingly sidelined hagel. in october, he penned a letter to national security adviser susan rice urging a more defined strategy against syria bashar al-assad as the conflict with isil raged. it was in october that discussions began between hagel and the president about him moving on. today president ob

i would start with iraq. and richard, no one with my experience, and there are a lot of folk with my experience here, no one is calling for american maneuver brigades back into the iraqi desert. but you can't do this from brigade headquarters in the north in the chain of command. you' got to be integrated with the forces that are actually in contact. >> so how many people are we talking about. are you talking about thousands of american troops who are embedded with frontline positions in iraq and syria? are you talking dozens? what kind of scale are you talking about. >> you would the forces that are there, training, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, lo gistings and so on, i think we're talking 5,000 to 10,000 total. and look, the president just doubled down. we're moving to 3,000 already. >> we're moving back into this. and who knows if this will go even further. general hayden, thanks very much. >> thanks, richard. >> the obama administration says it's taking an approach. it says there are limits

. >> should we just get out of iraq? let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington, george wilson called the 2003 invasion of iraq quote, the worst foreign policy decision in u.s. history. what does it say about the last 11 years of blood, death, and anger that the country's most conservative thinker believes it is the worst decision in our history? well, it means we need to rethink left, right and center to plan militarily in the middle east and change events. certainly we need to re-think if we can improve them and realize if we have been there that we can make it much worse that we can take a troubling person like hussein, and the problem is should we spend more money after bad, double down and send more troops into iraq knowing the country is not ready to face the hard test before it. the former government of vermont and jim mcdermott, the current governor of washington state. there are thousands of troops in iraq, the chairman of the joint chiefs general martin dempsey raised the possibility that he could recommend

engaged in iraq. there may be other components, shia militia, those kinds of groups that have been there, that have over the years we've dealt with over the years, but as far as an official iranian government military presence in iraq, i'm not aware of any. >> now turkey. >> turkey, as i noted in my comments, has agreed to be one of the training sites for the train and equip of the syrian moderate opposition. they as you know worked with us opening up the air space to get in supplies into kobani for the peshmerga to resupply their forces. they continue to work with us on other areas of common interest, but are important to our efforts there, and of course to their own border. they, as you know, are hosting 1.5 million refugees coming out of syria. so, you know, they are part of the coalition, an active part, and we continue to work with them in the military. >> the gentleman's time has expired. mr. conaway is recognized for four minutes. >> i'd like to yield my time to dr. hecht, chairman of the subco

but isil is right now, and isil is threatening the country of iraq, and the government of iraq. and so that's why we are dealing with that component first, because we must. they are a threat to our allies, they are a threat to us. >> thank you. mr. larson. >> thank you mr. chairman. secretary hagel, you have my first two minutes and general dempsey will get the next two. for secretary hagel there has been no discussion of the request for '15, which is $5.6 billion. what do you know about the current 2014 oco requests through the end of the cr? what is in that, and why do you need an additional 5.6 in 015 given that there is authority for you at least through the cr for -- out of 014 money? >> the quick answer is i have noted in my testimony, part of that -- that new additional money, the $5 billion for defense is for a new train and equip program in iraq. when we had the budget hearings when the original oco submissions were made months and months ago that wasn't the case, so it is a new and sustaining -- and -- and sustaining effort. the -- the other -- the other dollars are fo

mission against isil, in iraq and syria. the u.s. president wants an extra $5.6 billion for what he called the next phase of the fight. meanwhile in iraq, dismissed more than 30 senior military commanders in his first major shake up he says the move is part of the campaign to tackle corruption now uh, fifa investigator will appeal against a decision to close the investigation into the world cup bidding process. football's governing body releases a summary of his report, clearing the 22 and russia 2018 winning bids. allegations of corruption have hung over two world cups for four years. both russia 2018 and qatar 2022 cleared of wrongdoing overall, but as so often in this saga, a twist. the summary presented because challenged by investigator michael garcia. who said the decision contains numerous materially incomplete ander remember nows representations of the facts and conclusions. the american loyal will appeal in how the report has been represented. at being cleared of wrongdoing. >> the result today, is a confirmation of what we

afghanistan in 201 and iraq in 2003. we did so well we were so impressed how well our troops did we actually thoughtmh maybe this time we'll fight insurgency and win. we'll fight a vietnam and win. what we forgot was the facts on the ground. the iraqis and afghanistan need to want it. in the end it's their filed when you talk about a counterinsurgency. >> rose: do you think they want it bad enough. >> i think a good number do. the average folks in afghanistan and iraq, it's a different culture than ours but they're very much people want to raise their family, have a job, get educated, do thing that any normal person in a family would want to do. very few of them are these jihadi fa that sists like isis. >> rose: beyond what went wrong and whether we're well advised to fight those wars in the way that we did and focus on the future. so what does a president do? if he looks at the advances that isil was makepz and people tell him and they're recruiting around the world and they have a anywherive and you better stop them no

which you remember in iraq only. which you remember at the time they defined as protecting the people up on the mountain and in erbil. september 22 you extend into syria and over the course of time clearly the air strikes have been about more than protecting u.s. personnel or protecting minority groups under threat. they've been about trying to fight back and degrade and destroy isis. so you've seen it, whether you use the term mission creek, it has expanded the last several months. >> the mission and the size of troops -- >> numerically and geographically. >> thank you for details on how significant this move is to u.s. military operations in the region. let's go to general spider marks who joins us now on the phone. general, would you tray to explain the timing behind this move? why is the white house announcing this now? why is it urgent to get 1,500 more troops into iraq? >> jake, i can't speak to the political reasonings for the expansion of the mission at this point, but i can tell you that clearly what the u.s

state of iraq. and these documents show with meticulous detail how the group raised money during this period, and how the group spent money. and they were fairly comprehensive over certain time periods in 2005 and 2006, and 2009 and 2010. what these documents show, i think, really importantly are two different things. one is that this group has been making its money, at least in mosul, in basically the same ways for at least the last six years. and probably longer. so this is nothing new, despite the change in the group's name, and creeping up on the united states and the world after the u.s. withdrawal. but the group has been there, and using a lot of the same kinds of methods that it's using now. the main difference in really what's going on in mosul, and with isil, is the scale at which it raises funds. so what we're able to see through looking at the group's captured financial ledgers is that in mosul in 2008 and 2009, the group known as the islamic state of iraq, was making about $1 million tot

it's not an iraq strategy. it's not a syria strategy. it's a counter isil strategy. secondly, the strategy is built around a remarkable coalition. if you look at the countries in that coalition and if you'd told me a year ago you could draw these countries into that coalition, i'd say probably not. so the coalition is on board. and the campaign is built around by, with and through. allies so that we don't own this problem, we enable it. >> one last question with my 41 seconds. i have a study here from the senate for strategic and budgetary assessments. they make a case that when you look at the seriousness of the campaign regarding airstrikes, they make the case that in kosovo we're doing 86 airstrikes a day, which was another campaign where there were no troops on the ground. in this campaign we're doing seven airstrikes per day. can you shed any light on what the discrepancy is there? >> sure, very different enemy. it's not a nation state. it's a terrorist organization. they have adapted their tactics to our strengths. and so they are just not sitting around waitin

it came up with the iraq threat financial cell in iraq. i suspect we will see similar tools coming soon. a few policy prescriptions. i will say this, this is no silver bullet to dismantle isis financing. isis presents a unique set of circumstances and treasury should continue do what it does best, assess the situation, development new tools with deal with an evolving threat. there's evidence that treasury's full court press is working away from iraq's borders. consider a jihadist in trial in germany for joining a group in syria who has struggled to send funds to the middle east because of measures treasury have put in place. the court proceedings describe a picture of jihadists forced to send a member to europe because it had become too hard to transfer money without being traced. that's not all. the extremists used a wire transfer service of western union to send money around the world but became so nervous of transactions being monitored, they are afraid to pick up the money. a couple of -- >> if you could summarize quickly. >> absolutel

back then, it was against al qaeda and iraq. it is from the ashes of al qaeda that isis eventually merged and developed and evolved into the t entity today that is more powerful than al qaeda was. the 50 troops are part of the 1,500 meant to bolster america's efforts, but deployed at the request of the iraqi government and based on the assessment by the top u.s. commanders on the ground, thus far, the americans and coalition efforts have succeeded in stopping isis advance, but they have not yet been able to allow the iraqi forces to regain key territory. important in all of this is going to be the iraqi government's capacity, shi'a-led capacity to bring the sunni tribes back on board. the sunni tribes are by and large allowing isis to operate. and one issue is the fate of al bagdadi. unclear. claiming he was wounded in an attack. the minister of defense is claiming he was attacked outside mosul. the u.s. confirmed they struck a ten-vehicle convoy outside of mosul, but they do not know who was in the vehicles. that strike was car

but that statement has not been backed up by iraq's prime minister or iraq's minister of defense. let's bring in cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, what is the pentagon saying about these air strikes targeting isis leaders? what do we know? >> reporter: very little in the way of facts. right now, u.s. military intelligence is looking at all the rumors and trying to sort it all out. confusion about the fate of the elusive leader of isis. iraqi tv broadcast a statement that abu bakr al baghdadi, head of isis, was wounded in an iraqi air strike on saturday at the town of al qa'im on the border with syria. the iraqis did have intelligence that he was in that border town. u.s. officials now believe it's less likely baghdadi was wounded or killed 250 miles away in mosul where coalition warplanes hit a convoy of ten isis armed trucks. rumors surfaced after that that baghdadi was there. the u.s. said the strike targeted a meeting of isis leaders but the outcome was unclear. >> we cannot confirm if isil leader baghdadi was among those present. >> reporter: the u.s. is scour

of iraq and the law. these docket -- levant. these documents show with details of the group raise money to the spirit and how the group spent money and help from the confidence of over certain time periods in 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010. what these documents show i think really importantly to do the things. one is this group has been making my, its money at least in mosul come in basically the same ways for at least the last six years and probably longer. this is nothing new despite the change in the groups name and it creeping up on the united states and the world after the u.s. withdrawal. but the group has been there and using a lot of same kinds of methods that it's using now. the main difference and really what's going on in mosul and with isil is the skill in which it raises funds. what we are able to see through looking at the groups capture financial ledgers is that in mosul in 2008 and 2009 the group known then as the islamic state of iraq was making about $1 million total from on average. now as we k

i will always -- on the iraq war. i will be outspoken when it comes to sending our kids to dive because we have a constitution and we should follow the constitution. host: 11,000 letters to whom? guest: families and extended families, lost loved ones in iraq and some in afghanistan. host: not just from your district? guest: no ma'am, across this country. the way the process works, very quickly, is if a soldier is killed or whatever, the liaison office will contact the family and say would you like to receive a console and -- a condolence letter member of congress? i have signed over 11,000 letters. host: and in that, apologizing for your vote? guest: yes, ma'am. i have a book that pick with response letters to my condolence letters. i have never read but one because it breaks my heart. i have saved of them. whatever happens when i'm gone, someone will have them, but people respond back to me and i want to say, i wish you would not do this because i made a bad decision. on twitter, your point of other countries helping

there. >> policies and against the sunnis in iraq. it sees allegiance to iran and being an agent of iranian government and all these things and others have opened up the iraqi country, opened up iraq for terrorist groups and a danger for all of us. >> what are some other issues they work have to work on? i mean is i l -- isil is major and brought together countries on the same side and what else do they have to look at between saudi arabia and iraq? >> the market is in turmoil right now and going down and that is something they need to discuss. other than that the borders, the borders with iraq are not safe for saudi arabia at the moment and the, iraq need to take control of the border and other issues like economic issues and people who are prisoners in iraq threatened by beheading and a lot of things whether it's financial or economic or just neighborly issues. >> it's about cooperation, isn't it because you mentioned there the border is unsafe and iraqis need to do more there and that perhaps needs to be collaborative thing between

are they involved in any military activities in iraq? >> as far as i know, the i rain yan army is not engaged in iraq. there may be other components, shia militia, those kinds of groups that have been there that have over the years we've dealt with over the years, but as far as an official iranian government military presence in iraq, i'm not aware. >> is he parsing words? there are a lot of reports that iranian revolutionary guard -- these are the elite forces there -- they are deeply involved in what's going on in iraq right now. >> yeah. i think the secretary is being very delicate in choosing his words to say the least. all indications are that members of the revolutionary guard have moved in and out of iraq over the months and have been helping as arwa said, they are backing the shia militias in so many places in their many indications that top commanders have moved in and out of iraq trying to help the iraqi army. and giving them some pretty direct assistance. the u.s. wants to stay as officially as far away as they can from the ir

we took him out because we didn't have a better iraq for the iraq people. we also have 400,000 men and women. we had 35,000 severely wounded and 105,000 iraqis killed. larry, how are you willing to pay for it? are you willing to raise taxes to pay for it or do you want to put it on your grandchildren? we are a debtor nation. we cannot pay out bills unless we every year raise the debt ceiling so we can spend this road that we won't be able to. that's where we're headed. >> congressman, you brought this chart with you. we were just showing our viewers these numbers. 18.18 billion since 2003 spent on a rock. is isis. >> this comes from -- if you go on their well site, it will show it to you and show you where they get the information from. this is where, again. >> the power to declare war including the power of judges because of war is fully and exclusively vested in the ledge. >> and we continue to say, just as you did a few minute ago. i would say i'm scared for the defense of this country, that we're breaking the defense for this country. 2014 is going to b

there will be, and there is,, they're in syria and iraq, boots on the ground in iraq. -- and there is, combat operations in syria and iraq, boots on the ground in iraq. >> but they have said there may be a time when they have to recommend injecting more combat troops to stop isil. the question is, what circumstances would produce that decision? >> two things, we should be clear on what general dempsey has said. i have not heard general dempsey say that he might essentially say that we need to have the united states put troops and lead combat operations in iraq. i did not hear him say that. now it is a responsibility of the chairman of the joint chiefs, his constitutional responsibility, to the president and the secretary of defense of defense, could continue to give us every option. we seek that, i asked for that, the president asks for that, we are constantly assessing what we are doing. is it effective, is it working? but the issue of having america go back into iraq and fight that war, again, the president has been clear on that. and i have never heard general dempsey say that. >>

we have about 1400 or so in iraq right now. and this will be an additional up to and i want to stress that. up to 1500. so it doesn't mean they are going to get to 1500 but the authorization we are asking for is up to 1500. the authorization we have been given by the commander in chief. these will be additional personnel. they would be, as i answered to spence, broken down into two bucket did? ride advise and assist and the training bucket. >> yes. >> how long will it take to get these up to 1500? >> they will start flowing in. some will start flowing in as soon as this month. it's going to take for the building partner capacity, the training, it's going to take us probably a couple of months, two to three months to get the sites prepared and the regimen started and the training, itself, anticipate the training regimen, itself to take between six and seven months. six to seven months to complete the training, yes. that doesn't mean they are all going to, you know, with theshot gun start start stratraining on same day but the re

i went to visit petraeus in iraq in the summer of 2008. and we had torn out all of the guard rails next to the side of the roads because they put improvised explosive devices that killed my soldiers. they were putting the guard rails back in. >> that is the whole idea of build. clear, hold and build. that is the montra. you have to hold it and build a better state and better society in the area that is cleared. >> let's take a break. we will be back with more right after this break. after filling out their hogan iquestionaire, aight. hogan was awarded an a- from the nra. but now he refuses to release his responses. the nra opposes comprehensive background checks. they want to weaken maryland's gun safety laws. even support letting suspects on the fbi terror watch list buy guns. on gun safety and terror, the nra is wrong. hogan gets an a- from the nra. on protecting maryland, we just can't trust him. >>> welcome back to "press pass". we are joined by john nagle. so let's apply counter insurgency is obviously the best way to probably defeat

the goal is to force isil out of northern and western iraq. >> iraq confirming more than 100 members of a sunni tribe were killed, tribal leaders blaming the iraq government for not giving them supplies and weapons to fight back. >> we are live in baghdad this morning. there were multiple attacks, mostly on shia pilgrims over the weekend. how are iraq forces preparing for more violence today, given that it is an important holy day for shias? >> that's absolutely right, the occasion is upon us and lasts until mid-day local time in iraq on tuesday. what we are seeing is a number of attacks and people are very worried here, because it's proven to be very difficult for the iraq security services to try to stop the attacks taking place, these are car bombs and suicide bombers. these are very difficult to attack, particularly when you've got thousands of people out on the street visiting the hospital at tents and going to hear the stories of times gone by, which is a tradition here. what the rack government is doing is trying to get the shia worshipers and faithful into certain areas and t

to iraq to help. of course, congress approved a temporary authority for the d.o.d. to begin training and equipping elements of the syrian opposition to fight isil. in other words, mr. smith says, we have come a long way in a of time.ort amount and thank you to the two of you arriving atip in mentioned.t i just even though we have made substantial progress, more remains to be done. isil able to control territory withoutand syria will question plot and plan attacks about the west. i think we all agree, as we've been doinghey have to the people that they have people that -- the beheadings, the executions, et cetera. i'm paraphrasing here in order to make this short. mr. chairman, going forward, we have many decisions to make about combating the threat of isil. the president, for example, has requested that congress authorize the use of military force against the group rather than relying on the 2001aumf have many decisions to make about combating the threat of isil. the president, for example, to combat

afghanistan in 2001 and iraq in 2003. success sort of on hand us. -- their success sort of a undid us. we were so well with how the troops did that we thought may be thought we would fight the insurgency and win, succeed. the iraqis themselves have to want it. we can help them as we are doing now with isis, as we are still in afghanistan. fight end, it is right -- to >> you think they want it bad enough? >> a good number do. the average people, it's a different culture, but they are very much people who want to do things that normal people want to do. very few of them are these jihad a fanatics. if you don't do something, eventually they skew everything on the wrong direction. the jury is out to see if whether they will be able to rein in control. they are trying. i help. >> beyond what went wrong and being well advised to fight those wars in the way that we did and focus on the future, what does a president do? he looks at the advances isil were making and people were telling him they are moving and they are gaining and

they basically raise it and spend it internally in iraq and syria. and one way to crack down on them is to crack down on the companies that are financing terrorism. the ranking lady waters and introduced a bill called the incorporation law enforcement assistance act which would require the disclosure of very basic information from corporations of who their benefit owners are. i was pleased in august when treasury proposed a rule to implement many parts of my bill. i would like to know what is the update on this. what is happening with the rule that you put into place? >> congresswoman, you highlight an important issue with the issue of shell companies. the rule that you are referring to we proposed a final rule in august. the comment period on that final rule actually i think the comment period expired in august. we are in the process of reviewing the comments that i think we received over 120 comments on that proposed rule. i should probably not get into anymore detail on where we are in terms of issuing the rule, but we are deeply committed and hav

last week canada launched its first extracts in iraq. 12 nations have been involved in strikes in iraq and syria. an additional partners give intelligent surveillance and aircraft. coalition nations have also pledged hundreds of personnel advise and try to reinforce the iraqi forces. nearly all our coalition partners funding their own contributions. gen john allen is on the lead as he coordinates the coalition strategy and contributions across all the lines of efforts. as a nation we must prepared long and difficult struggle. there will be setbacks, but we are seeing steady and sustainable progress. mr chairman at the most important part. about our on we have own strategy, but we ask ourselves, the questions that you have. can we sustain it' i've can it be sustain after we leave? that is a critical component of our strategy. asking the question and answering it. we are seeing steady and dod ainable progress along mainline of effort. trunk in progress in this isil wall capacity, and the it's safe havens for its forces. coalition extracts have hit the leadership and is revenue sources. h

but isil is right now, and isil is threatening the country of iraq and the government of iraq. and so that's why we are dealing with that component first, because we must. they're threat to our allies. they are a threat to us. >> thank you. mr. larson. >> thank you, mr. chairman. secretary hagel, you have my first two minutes, and general dempsey, you get the next two. so for secretary hagel, there's been no discussion yet of the oco request for '15, which is $5.6 billion. wondering not what's in it. we have some information on t t that. but what do you know about a current 2014 oco request through the end of the c sflshgs what's in that and why do you need additional $5.6 billion in '15 give than there's authority for you at least through the cr for 2014 money? >> well, the quick answer to your question as to why do we need additional, as i have noted in my testimony, part of that new additional money, the $5 billion for defense, is for a new train and equip program in iraq. when we had the budget hearings when the original oco submissions were made months and months ago, that