happened to freddie gray doesn't happen again? >> accountability. you're getting it today. >> reporter: it should be noted the fraternal odor of police in baltimore has called for marilyn mosby to recuse herself from the case. not only because of her husband, but because of her ties to a family attorney for the gray family, billy murphy. let's talk about this case now. we have a microphone because the protest here is growing a lot louder. the rally. i'm joined by cnn legal analyst sunny hosten and cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey touchen along with pathologist serialcyril wecht. suggesting charges came unusually quick in case of this nature and accusations politics motivated the decision we heard today. is it unusual, jeffrey, for a case like this to already have resulted in charges not even two weeks after the death? >> yes. it is unusual. it was surprising to me. i certainly was expecting a longer wait. but that doesn't mean the charges don't have validity. this was a very quick action by the prosecutor and i think only when we

i mean it's bigger than freddie gray. this is about the social economics of poor urban america. >> marilyn mosby has refused to give a timeline on when she'll make a decision. telling her city to remain patient. knowing whatever she decides will have major repercussions. >> trace, thank you. ms. mosby is already under pressure to get to the right result which is justice, of course. but justice for whom? it seems the mayor has her mind made up. >> we will get justice for freddie gray. believe you me we will get justice. we need to make sure there's justice for freddie gray and for his family. mr. gray's family deserves justice. >> joining me now, mark, everyone's sympathies are in the gray family. they didn't do anything wrong. we don't know if freddie gray did anything wrong either. isn't the messaging off? >> what about justice, that phrase? in getting justice, one of the possibilities is no crime was committed. now, if a crime was committed, the challenges the probation report is-- prosecutor is going to have is elimina

denies that freddie gray would have hurt himself in the van. >> any suggestion that freddie gray hurt himself in the van is something the family disagrees with. you should never check your common sense at the door because pause the law is involved. in this case, common sense tells us that freddie gray did not sever his own spoinl spinal cord. >> they are citing another prisoner in the back of the police van. i want to emphasize a prisoner that says he could hear freddie gray but not see him because of a partition. he said fred freddie gray was trying to hurt himself. you dismiss that. >> we have to keep it in context. and the police department said the other prisoner didn't hear much of anything. then we hear the very same prisoner did hear mr. gray and he thinks mr. gray is trying to harm himself. place this in context, we can't respond to it because there are so many different stories in place, we have to get to the facts and we don't have the facts. >> we may have facts soon. the medical examiner's office says gray's autopsy report could be sent over to the prosecutor later today o

the cry throughout has been justice for freddie gray. and they are saying justice has been achieved. this is what everybody wanted. a day in court for the police officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray on april 20th. of course they are innocent until proven guilty but the young people of baltimore who have been protesting mostly peacefully have had their day in court. >> we understand arrest issues have been issued for the police officers, have they been served? this >> reporter: my understanding is they are being served now. i think the arrests are probably taking place at this moment. we shall learn moring on as the day goes on. and now we're wondering what will happen with these protests. there are five protests slated to take part today. and tomorrow black lawyers for justice who were just giving a news conference at the other side of where i'm talking to you from they plan a very, very big march like last saturday's. and it's difficult now to know what they might be protesting about. but stop for a moment and think. and the

gray occurred and quite frankly that's exactly where freddie gray should have received medical attention, and he did not. >> reporter: another source of confusion involves an additional prisoner in the van. >> what the prisoner has told us is that the second prisoner that was picked up is that he didn't see any harm done to freddie at all. what he said was he heard freddie thrashing about. >> reporter: the police deny giving freddie gray what is known as a wild ride to threaten or injure prisoners. but mistakes were made. >> we know he wasn't buck. ed in as he should have been. no excuses for that, period. >> reporter: he admits he's had to with hold statements because he doesn't want to jeopardize any potential prosecutions in the death of freddie gray, and that tap-dancing as he has called it could be a source of the confusion. chip reid, cbs news, baltimore. >>> now to nepal. the death toll there is just over 6,000. there are also new miracles amid the devastation. new video shows the shock as the quake hit neil a week ago. the traffic camera captures the panic and collapse of a statu

gray killings not just all freddie grays that people tell us happen on a regular basis with no sense of justice. it's about trying to redevelop this area with long standing problems that proceed freddie gray but the current administration. i just ran into a representative from the governor. he's got a staffer. he and a pastor are walking around delivering water and food. they're shaking hands. this is a community that's come together. >> the community outpouring we've been witnessing has been amazing after the original night of horrific activity by bad actors in this city. the outpouring to take the initiative back has been stronger. it's inspiring to witness and report on. council woman holton joins us. a baltimore city reverend says you can't do this and make fine citizens out of them. you can't make them live a life less than human and expect them to act like first class citizens. that was in 1962. >> absolutely. >> that's right. we have decades of blight in this city that go back prior to riots of '68. >> this article in my hands could be written today about baltimore city. i was

gray has -- death of freddie gray has made for strange allies. crips and bloods and black guerrilla family gang members all walking arm in arm. >> we did not plan that. you have to fall in. >> when i see these young men, i was freddie gray. i was one of the young men involved. people can look at me and who was crazy ted but now i'm dr. ted. now this brother is my brother. he's not a thug. >> reporter: but on the streets where freddie gray grew up, streets where as many as 1/3 of the homes are abandoned and boarded up, there is also sadness mixed with the celebration. >> we need the police. i'm not saying we don't need them, but there's some boundaries that they're going beyond. >> reporter: some of the neighborhoods around here have been horrified this week of protests and disturbances. the cvs right here is burned down, a small neighborhood pharmacy down the way looted repeatedly. the folks who got their medications there are going to have a hard time getting their medications now back and so we're going to talk about that coming up at 6:00. rep

life starts here. >> it's not only about freddie gray. there's a lot of freddie gray. everybody's tired it have. we're tired of it. there's never going to be no justice. the system was never made for there to be justice for us. it wasn't made for that. this is what it takes for all y'all to be here for the destruction of baltimore, for y'all to get here? that's ridiculous. >> in talking to my colleague joy reid as we await a press conference from the police we've witnessed the fall-outs in communities throughout the country brought on by high profile deaths of black men by the hands of police each incident grabbing the attention of the national media. in baltimore i heard mixed reviews on the media coverage from the people living there. so many were grateful for the national spotlight, some angry about the way their lives were being portrayed. enter geraldo rivera. one person seemed particularly frustrated that me was there. >> we're not thugs. i know who you are. don't walk away once we start talking. >> you're not talking, you're screaming. >> because you want to rep

gray and a possible leak from a preliminary autopsy report on the body of freddie gray. we will get into that in detail. but first, let's check on the situation on the street as the curfew now goes into force once again. we're joined by nbc's ron allen. where are you tonight and what's the situation there? >> we're at north and pennsylvania, kind of the epicenter of all this, lawrence again. it's the hour now and it's unclear exactly what's going to happen out here. there are still a lot of people out in the streets, as you can see around me. there is a very heavy police presence over in that direction. they've blocked off the street there. as you can see there are a lot of people who are milling around, trying to figure out what to do. there have been religious leaders, civic leaders out here for the past hour or so trying to urge people to go home. and some are and some are not. there are a number of people coming back up into this area. they have left and now they seem to be coming back. and overhead you can see there are helicopters circling around and you can't quit

before trayvon martin, michael brown, freddie gray. we just had a couple of incidents in the last month where the police actually killed some young men. it didn't make national headlines. but it was unnecessary. they didn't have a warrant. how do we keep going? i'm an educator and i'm ready to walk out of the classroom because i can't go any further there. we have a governor who is ready to pretty much split the district and take numbers away from detroit and dollars away from other districts because they say we are low performing. when you create educational disparity and you don't do anything about it, that's where you create the criminal. that's where you create the opportunity for police brutality. we need to can't touch we need to get our kids -- we need to get our kids while they are young in the educational system. they are three or four years behind. if you show me a youth criminal, of course they are going to be an adult criminal. one they get out there is no program for them. i would like more information about second chance.

of the death of freddie gray she must be very confident. she said you do not file charges like that if you are not confident in your investigation. she would not go into specifics a about the investigation but did talk as much about it as she could. here she is. >> i think it gives me a well-rounded perspective. i come from five generations of police officers so law enforcement is instilled. i understand the time the commitment the sacrifice that these police officers make time away from their families on a day-to-day basis, risking their lives for the betterment of our communities. but at the same time recognizing that these officers are making those sacrifices and i'm not saying in particularly with this case those officers usurp their authority you have to hold them accountability because it does a disservice to the hard working police officers. it's about applying justice fairly and equally to those with or without a badge. >> as you know she comes from a law enforcement family several of her uncles her gland father were in law enforcem

went to shock trauma, where freddie gray was brought in. with them outside, talking to the doctors and i think those sort of things were discussed there, but this specific drill was just to see if the -- again, the different techniques of restraint during his arrest could have resulted in the injuries that freddie gray sustained. >> you are a persuasive reporter but i wonder, justin why do you believe they allow you into something that really is a very private meeting between city officials as they are just on the eve of being thrust into a major case? >> i think the police department was reeling. i mean i think that they were having trouble connecting with the public and they wanted the public to trust them and know that this -- that situation would be done intensely and objectively to the best of their ability. and i think one thing they thought was having a reporter on board and it certainly is something that we have been you know wanted to be part of. and i think that was the goal of baltimore police show the public we are trying to to

for freddie gray. but also it's a very small step in the battle of oppression against african-americans in america. so we made some headway with one good case and the state's attorney has stepped up. we've got a lot of work to do. >> there will only be justice, you're saying if in fact there's a conviction of these police officers there's no justice, a step towards justice, you're saying, but not justice yet? >> yes. we're all elated. and for me would have i'm so proud. i mean i was marching on north and pennsylvania with our youth. i'm so proud of the youth of the city of baltimore. had they not revolted on monday that youth did not step up. the young inherit the revolution. they stepped up and brought the cameras out and made the attention happen that made this a national issue. global issue. we want to use that attention to make everyone realize that the freddie grays in the world, the mike browns of the world, the eric garners of the world happen every day in urban america, in black america. i'm so

that the arrest of freddie gray was, in fact illegal. there was a knife mentioned at one point that freddie gray may have had. we now know according to marilyn mosby that that knife was not a switchblade. that it was folded and that knife was in fact legal under maryland law. this is the chopper view now over the area where we will be witnessing a lot of protests over the weekend. definitely an area we will be keeping an eye on not only today but as the hours progress as marilyn mosby calls for peaceful protests so her office can ensure justice in this investigation. >> this is chris gordon live on the scene of a collapse at the watergate complex at the corner of 25th street and virginia avenue northwest. this happened about 10:00, three floors pancaked in the garage at the watergate complex. we are told there is one injury. i was just updated by d.c. ems and fire and they tell me it was a minor injury that the person was transported, that they don't know any of any other injuries but they have at least one car and possibly more vehicles

why did the police chase freddie? why was freddie gray arrested? >> you know what we heard from that state attorney is that eye contact was made. eye contact was made. that caused the officer to take off-- >> and for freddie to take off. >> and for freddie to take off and then the officer to take off after him. i heard earlier in the week that freddie may have started running because he had an earlier run in with the police in march and that he had fear associated with his encounter with the police, and that might have caused him to run when he did make contact with the officer. >> but it was illegal. the state's attorney is saying to us that it was an illegal arrest. >> yes, and i think its important to make a distinction. the supreme court has ruled when police officers are in certain high-crime neighborhoods, they have the right to stop a suspect if they think that suspect is engaged in some kind of illegal activity. but once they determined that that individual is not that there is nothing illegal about what they're doing they don't have contra

and he was showing. >> baltimore pd is familiar with freddie gray. sounds like you have familiarity with him, too. >> i do. >> when you say he puts on a show what do you mean? >> so if he were in that van and shouting or jumping up and down would that have been unusual? >> absolutely not. >> so they -- you're telling me to get them to leave, they're telling you they believe he was fine until they found out there are four stop was the van, until the fifth was at the police station. they were there that fifth stop and realized he wasn't? >> that is correct. apparently they're saying he asked for an asthma pump relatively soon. and he made no indication. >> these are officers pursuing him or inside of the van? that were talking to you, explaining what happened? so these are the guys on the bikes right? >> that is correct. that is correct. >> were they -- did they have a knowledge of what happened inside of the van after closing the doors and one officer drove away with freddie? >> >> how did they know it was his head he was banging on the wall of the va

protesting the death of freddie gray in police custody. there are also varying accounts emerging about what exactly happened after gray's arrest. our affiliate wjla found that gray's injuries happened in the back of the police van, not during his arrest. according to a washington post report a prisoner in the same van with gray told investigators he thought gray was intentionally trying to harm himself. >> in other news we are following, the united kingdom most highly anticipated general election now less than a week away. >> and in bbc's question time event thursday, candidates went face-to-face with voters. >> david cameron walked away the winner with 44% of respondent's saying he perform had the best. >> miliband came in second and clegg was third with 19% of the vote. but questions from the audience were contentious at times. the prime minister explaining his party program an one man accused him of deceiving the british people. deflecting on the distrust that many brits harbor fon hire politicians. >> if you believe as i do we should r

. >> reporter: this man is a witness to the apprehension of freddie gray. what was the first thing you heard? >> why are you holding me? why are you ramming me? i haven't done anything. let me go. that's the first thing i heard. he hollered help. literally hollering for help. >> reporter: his account supports the police commissioner's statement that officers on the scene failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner before gray was loaded into a police van. he died at the hospital from spinal trauma according to the family. although this witness says he heard everything perry couldn't see what happened because he's legally blind. still, his vision is crystal clear when it comes to life in the baltimore neighbourhood - overrun by games and poverty and patrolled by police. >> this was a neighbourhood made famous by hpps "the wire", what is it like living here? >> let's put it on these terms. you have people coming here, pulling up to go in the complex to visit their families. they'll walk out, be made to stop and sit on the kerb and searched. i have

she said the officer and freddie gray made eye contact. freddie gray took off. and then stopped running. he was placed on the ground arrested and some kind of restraint was used. >> right. let me stop you. so that is -- that is a critical point here. we have been asking why did you chase? >> yes. >> why did the officers chase? and what the city state's attorney is saying is there was no reason to chase. >> no reason. eye contact. that's what she told us. eye contact between freddie and the first officer who was on a bicycle. chases him for no apparently reason. and then we were told that freddie gray had a switchblade. the state attorney debunked that statement as well. >> let me stop you there, and i'll let you go again. this idea of a switchblade that was debunked but there was a knife that was legal. >> yes. >> okay. continue. >> so because there was no switchblade, because there was no weapon no drugs, there was no reason to arrest him. no probable cause for the arrest. so that's where this all starts to unravel -- >> so let me stop you again. no reason to c

six officers now charged in the death of freddie gray. a pastor just telling me they didn't expect these charges. he said it was shock and awe to get the charges. the police van driver has been charged with second degree murder. his name is officer goodson, cesar goodson, jr. he's been charged with two counts of manslaughter by vehicle. did goodson purposely drive erratically making fast turns and braking suddenly with the intention of harming gray. gray was in the back of the van, he was handcuffed and shackled but he was not restrained by a seat belt. if this happened here's the thing. it would be sort of business as usual. jean casarez is outfront. >>> mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled business his feet and unrestrained inside of the bpd wagon. >> baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby made it clear today she knows how 25-year-old freddie gray was killed. >> at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon contrary to a bpd general order. >> whether she can prove th

not in the way that we saw with freddie gray. >> all right. toure and joy reid great reporting on the ground from baltimore. thanks so much for helping us out on "the ed show." that is "the ed show." and "politics nation" starts right now. >> thanks for tuning in. we begin with the breaking news moments ago the family of freddie gray responded to the charges against six baltimore police officers accused in his death. >> we are satisfied with today's charges. these charges are an important step in getting justice for freddyfred freddie freddie. remember, without justice, there's no peace, but let us have peace in the pursuit of justice. >> those comments just hours after this announcement from baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby. >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we received today, has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> today mosby stressed that her office had done an

yeah freddie gray bothers me but it's because of why freddie gray existed as a dynamic that he was in the drug game because of his education and he was on that corner and he ran because cops aren't nice to you and he had to be on that corner because we can't get jobs. and people hear that and they go deal with your life just like i did. what do you make of that scenario? people are ignoring it but everyone on these streets are talking about it. >> i think it's very very easy for a person who don't understand that reality to be disconnected. that's the problem we have with humanity in general. i should be able to understand what life is like for you, and you should be able to understand what life is like as me and we can all be equal. no one wants to sell drugs, no one wants to be a criminal no one wants to be a bad guy. these are huge systemic issues needed to be addressed on multiple levels not just with the police department. >> you said the very easily but the acceptance is not that easy. you don't have to sell drugs, you don't have to run from the cops you don't have to push a cop

>> all day we will fight for freddie gray! >> anger spikes after doxcuments are leaked into the death of freddie gray. the passion in the streets spilling onto intersections across the country. despite a few tense moments in philadelphia when protesters try entering a highway, voices rage but protests are mostly peaceful. the police are sitting here and watching this. so it's about a balance. officers understanding the outrage in baltimore saying they'll only interfere if public safety really becomes an issue. once again the 10:00 curfew nears. >> we are getting ready to leave this area. >> once again congressman elijah cummings on the streets telling protesters to go home. ♪ i'm going to let it shine ♪ >> and once again people for the most part respond. they're going to ask people to go home. as the police line closes in on the few deciding to stay one manage agitating the line e

gray the freddie gray himself. and that is what always happens. that, too, will pass and when we get to a courtroom, things will dramatically change. >> looking at 10:00 p.m., the first night of curfew, police are saying the curfews will be extended through the weekend, they may end on monday. do you think that has been constructive? do you think having the national guard in the street has been constructive? the policing of the demonstrations, has it been contractive or has it been part of the problem? >> no one ever likes to call out the national guard because you don't know with any certainty how people who are not used to that level of force are going to react. but fortunately, things will work out. and i think it will have a prophylactic effect on future violence, at least we hope it will. >> the aclu tonight, some other organizations are calling for that curfew to be resended. they're saying the conduct of people in the streets and especially the way community leaders have stepped up and calmed things down whe

gray even though freddie gray wasn't breathing there. may be as you have as 60 minutes passed from the time the injury occurred to the time he gets to shock trauma. that's what amounts to this case. this is a negligence case. this is a disregard for the rules and procedures you're supposed to follow and as a result somebody dies. that's the kind of case this is. >> all right. wow, jayne miller wbal appreciate the time tonight. thank you very much. now let's bring in nbc's ron allen. he is outside that cvs strug store that's become ground zero for the protesters. ron, i see some protesters behind you right now. tell us what's going on. >> reporter: a huge crowd just arrived, filing through pennsylvania and north which has been the epicenter of protests of confrontation, of the rioting that happened here on monday. they have been walking around town from city hall to the inner harbor area and now they are here over the past couple of hours. all this began right after the prosecutor announced the charge against the officers. they -- people

in losing freddie, the gray family has been put through real hell. one can only imagine the tremendous pain and suffering that this family has endured. for the parents, loss of a son and the sister's loss of a brother. freddie was taken too early and too horrifically. and the worst of the grays' family days in the history of this family have been the last three weeks. today has given the gray family a measure of hope. we thank the state's attorney and her team for their unprecedented courage and their measured and professional response to this crisis. they have our gratitude in their pursuit of justice. however, we must be mindful that this is a first step not the last. but why the state's attorney's office continues to do its work, the community this community, and other communities like it all over the country have much work to do of their own. the overwhelming number of people who have protested over these many days did not know freddie personally but they and the people of philadelphia new york, cincinnati and numerous other cities numerous other

gray and the transportation of freddie gray back on april 12th and listen to the rap sheet, murder manslaughter assault, assault in the second degree negligence and misconduct and the misconduct alone stems from deliberately refusing -- or the allegation anyway -- is that the officers deliberately refused medical help for freddie gray even though he was asking for it deliberately that they decided to go to another stop rather than taking him to the hospital. and they said he had an illegal knife, when all the time it was a legal knife. and the attorney says that the medical examiner said the probable cause of death -- well in fact it was homicide. and the officer made an illegal arrest that day and failed to establish proper cause. so all of that takes a lot of air out of the balloon as far as the protests are concerned, although at the moment there is a news conference wrapping up by black lawyers for justice who organized last saturday's big rally here. and they are doing another one tomorrow. and they are saying this decision is extraordinary we weren't expecting it to come from this new onl

gray. number doing its own investigation of the case separate from the police department's probe. number four a pending civil claim against mosby and her office for false and misleading statements and omissions in the charging documents specifically related to the argument about the legality of the knife the officers found on freddie gray during the arrest. and the fifth conflict of interest according to attorneys representing the six officers the financial interest of the attorney for the family of freddie gray who they claim is a close friend of mosby's. >> now, the motion filed by the officers calls for the case to be dismissed or for the appointment of a special prosecutor. >>> well it's sunday morning. here are the stories coming up for you in the week ahead.

freddie gray. all the evidence needs to be presented. those individuals who are charged, obviously are also entitled to due process. and rule of law. >> if the charges themselves had been less debated, the speed at which they were brought most certainly will be. >> what i find interesting about this is the speed with which the decision was made. >> this has happened to charge police officers with murder, really quickly. a lot of police officers feeling thrown under the bus or not very happy about that. >> the autopsy report came in this morning. so she was pointing out that this all happened very very quickly. and i wonder if that could possibly raise some questions. >> moments ago, mosby addressed the timing in an interview with nbc's kristen welker. >> i didn't feel any sort of public pressure. it was about getting this right. and i can say that you know from the beginning, this was a thorough investigation. >> joining me now is staff writer for "slate" jemele buoy jemele ross and benjamin wallace wells. so jemele it's interesting to m

gray in the van? stwloo i did not -- i still haven't seen freddie gray to this moment. last time i seen freddie gray was the day before they locked him up and did that stuff to him. >> did you tell the police that you heard him banging his head against the van? >> i told homicide that. i don't work for the police. i did not tell the police nothing stwroosh what do you think -- tell me what you heard. once you got in the van, what did you hear? >> i didn't hear nothing. it was a smooth ride straight to the police station. all i heard was a little banging for four seconds. you know what i mean? i'm thinking he is banging his head the whole time. now i know what was happening rsh they did something to him, and his body was wobbling back there. you know what i mean? he can't hurt himself back in those paddy wagon, you know? they don't strap us in there. >> tell me again what you have actually -- >> what i actually heard? i just heard a little banging, you know? just little -- you know what i mean? boom, boom -- little banging. just little banging. i know it was just him bac

new claims in the death of freddie gray. how he may have suffered the fatal spinal injury while he was in police custody. baltimore police handed their investigative files over to prosecutors on thursday one day ahead of schedule. it did surprise a lot of people here. multiple sources say those files contain new claims about freddie gray's death. among the claims inside this report that gray was fatally injured in the police van and not earlier during his arrest. law enforcement sources tell cnn affiliate wjla that the medical examiner determined that gray died from a broken neck sustained when his head slammed into the back of the van. the injury on gray's head reportedly matches a bolt in the back of the van. this is stuff the prosecutor's office here will still have to go through and it does not answer one of the key questions if it is all accurate which is how did gray's head slam into the back of the van in the first place. it is worth noting the driver of the police van has yet to give a statement. the medical examiner

freddie gray, we are all come to know freddie gray tragically this way. but, in your view is he and his case symbolic of so many other freddie grays in the city and perhaps even across country? i know you've been an advocate for this very cause, particularly in the black community and the disparities and the disenfranchisement and targeting of black males as it pertains to crimes and incarcerations. what do you see this as being a symbolic case as well? >> imsymbolic in the case that a crime was committed, that people have got tonight the point that prepared to do whatever they have to do to speak out, some through civil disowedisowe bead oens. the state's attorney after conducting her parallel investigation decided she had enough evidence and the state had enough evidence to find probable cause. rarely do you see that in some of the other instances. i think that's the one thing that separates this. but i've got to tell you, we're talking about what happens to african-american men. this same sort of thing too often, unfortunately, happens by bad officers

. >> freddie gray's death ruled a homicide now. tonight, six officers are charged and police are already calling for the top prosecutor to excuse herself. the charges against the officers range from murder to false arrest, an we just heard from the family of freddie gray about the big developments today. >> these charges are an important step in getting justice for freddie. and we ask that whoever comes to our city a city that we love, a city that we live in, come in peace. and if you are not coming in peace, please don't come at all. >> we have team coverage tonight. derrick ward near the cvs that was looted and burned and turned into the hub of celebrations today. but we begin with tracee wilkins at city hall. tracee? >> reporter: well, jim, in the last few minutes, we have seen all the protesters who were here behind me clear out of the square here in front of city hall and move down to the jail where now they are

so freddie gray's life won't matter. i think with this prosecutor coming forward and indicting the officers, even if there isn't a conviction, the notion now is that his life matters enough for these officers to be held accountable and for the process to begin. >> that's the key. for process to begin. we have never seen the process begin and now we get to see it. our youngsters, this is new to them. it will take them a while to digest what this even means. they will now watch what the process looks like and how it goes step by step. they will learn. i'm 65. i was alive and a teenager in college when the riots in baltimore in '68, when we were the ones said black lives matter. i was in college. we were the generation saying black lives don't matter. >> you're 65 years old. you look much younger than that. let's stipulate that. you have seen a lot. you seem surprised today. you seem flat out stunned by what happened today. what made the difference? >> i'm a pastor and a preacher. i have to give credit to god. what else can

justice for freddie gray. and i think the state's attorney today brought forward what was expected and now it's up to our court system to process this. >> marilyn moses buyby senator, has been some critics, especially in the corner of some of these officers their lawyers, is really what i'm talking about, they've criticized her saying there's a conflict of interest. whether that her husband is a city council member in the ward where freddie gray lived 0or whether it's that she appeared after the riot at a concert onstage with prince, or that she has talked to "vogue" magazine and some critics say that this is sort of a chance for her to capitalize in a way that helps her career. what do you say to those critics who say there's a conflict of interest? >> well i think the state's attorney has brought forward, with the information she had, did an independent investigation. she's brought forward her best judgment as to proceedings. we will see what happens in the courts, but i think that it's not unusual for those

gray and i'm not saying just freddie gray as if what happened to freddie gray is not just focus enough but so many of the people i've talked to in baltimore said this goes beyond the tragedy and horror of what happened to freddie gray what would you like to see moving forward. jay talked about his vision. what would you like to see? >> i would like to see a lot more transparency when we have relations between the community and the government. because oftentimes a will the of -- a lot of what we call justice is just us and that is behind closed doors. and we see a tremendous loss of justice. we're not talking about just white elected officials, just because you are black doesn't mean you're exonerated from accountability so we're asking for more transparency and more like nick and marilyn mosby who know the community and are not just legislating something abstract and know something about us. >> thank you for your comments as well. >> just ahead, more reaction to the six police officers being charge in the death of freddie gray. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks] right on cue.

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now this case with freddie gray. you make eye contact and that results in a chain of events that leads to your death. >> or you're holding in his case a weapon a knife that was not illegal. this is when a majority of households have a gun in them. when you talk about violence or protecting yourself. this individual -- we know baltimore can be dangerous. he's got a kind of weapon according to the prosecutor is not illegal. he's got interaction that has no criminal content. yet he is not only taken, he is arrested according to the prosecutor illegally and then put into conditions. this we know. this is uncontested. put into conditions that led him to be killed. >> let's go to our colleague in baltimore. toure spoke to a police officer ands has reaction. what a did he say? >> reporter: tamran he said he was somewhat supportive of the charges. he said if they have the evidence charges should be filed. he kept saying it's day one stuff. the whole job is procedure. why would you not buckle someone? he seemed to not underst

gray not just justice, not justice for all involved but justice for freddie gray presuming that he is the wronged party, the victim and the only victim here? >> yeah. i mean i'm only presuming that you know as the mayor i'm sure she is having an interaction with the police commissioner daily and i'm sure information is getting passed that's not being passed to the public. so i can only assume that she does know more about this investigation than we do. and just for her to go out and proclaim that she wants justice for freddie gray and what about the officers that you know the community is hanging out to dry and her and the command staff, commissioner betsts that are hanging out to dry. >> let's talk about the response in baltimore. what were your instructions on monday night? first of all, were you surprised the mayor did not institute a curfew on monday when we had seen protests all day? >> absolutely. this goes back to monday and incidents that had occurred in ferguson. there were still localized protesting going on in reference to ferguson and stuff. it was nothing like what's goin

let's say they didn't bust up freddie gray's spine. i think they did, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt. they through this man in the van and they knew he was screaming in despair and pain. they traveled for 25 to 30 minutes. i saw on anderson cooper, george, that whole route that they did, they did a whole square like this with freddie in the back of that van. they were only a few minutes away from that police station. they should have immediately called for medical help. and there was a second stop that we didn't know about. what does that tell us? well, surprise, surprise, somebody in the police department is hiding that information from us and now we need to know what happened during that second stop. was there an altercation with the police and freddie in the back of the van during that second stop? and then what about the third stop? why then is freddie asking for medical aid? is he hurt even further by the officers? and why wasn't medical aid rendered? that's a constitutional violence and that's criminal negligence in

factual picture of what happened to freddie gray that day. if that's even possible brooke because, listen a lot of different people involved a lot of different sources of information. it's going to be a very tricky process. >> okay. ashleigh banfield i'm with you. i'm listening. i also have some late breaking news here. okay. not yet. working on confirming this news as we wait to hear from marilyn mosby. again to you with your legal mind ashleigh banfield are you still with me? can you hear me over the sirens? >> i'm still with you, yeah. i think we just got notice that she's going to be out shortly with her announcement brooke. go ahead. >> out shortly. so again, people in the community to your point i just talked to reverend jamal bryant. people in the community are expecting charges. they're expecting some kind of verdict. again, to manage expectations as you have explained so eloquently you are saying that reality of that is not likely because she was just handed the baltimore city police investigation just yesterday. we've learned today

gray's death. >> we're not just fighting for freddy gray, we're fighting for people out here that die every day. for same reason, same situations, that don't get mentioned. and that people don't know about. >> now, a stranger in her old community. helena hicks finds familiar fears. >> this is for our sons and daughters parents what are they supposed to do? they know they have good parents. but you look at the color of their skin they are judged. >> hicks insists that baltimore is not a city without hope. >> what do we want? >> but she cites failure to bring justice for freddy gray, promises made decades ago could plunge it into more chaos and raise doubt that baltimore will ever get past the legacy of its riots. >> let me tell you what i learned from 1968. after four days, you're sitting on a powder keg. if you don't resolve the problem before the sixth day before you get to the seventh day all hell's going to break loose. history going to repeat itself if you don't look at history and say, how do we keep this from happening again? it will quiet down for a while but you see the proble

freddie carlos gray jr. having made eye contact with mr. gray mr. gray subsequently ran from lieutenant rice. officers miller and nero then handcuffed mr. gray and moved him to a location a few feet away from his surrendering location. mr. gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. it was at this time that mr. gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail. officers miller and nero then placed mr. gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. the blade of the knife was folded into the handle. the knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under maryland law. these officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk. mr. gray was then placed back down on his stomach at which time mr. gray began to flail his legs and scream as officer miller placed mr. gray in a restraining technique known as a leg lace. while another officer physically held him down against his will until a bpd wagon arrived to transport mr. gr

family as well as richard shiply who is freddie gray's stepfather. as you said it has been a day of extraordinary events. we talked a little bit yesterday about some of the findings of the medical examiner's report and the state's attorney today in combination with her own investigation, the police investigation, and the m.e.'s report decided she could go ahead and charge the six officers who dealt with freddie gray on the morning of april 12th and i'm taking a look over my shoulder. we'll be beginning this press conference in a moment. you can take a look at the video. what the police have determined was that the six officers had no reason to arrest mr. gray. he had a knife but the knife was perfectly legal. he committed no crime. his arrest unlawful. he went into medical distress and yet, the police offered no assistance and he suffered a life-ending injury in the back of that van. we want to know, now go to mr. shiply at the podium. >> good afternoon.

that is why freddie gray was arrested. the prosecutor today saying just not true, the knife was a legal pocket knife. along with second-degree assault, miller nero and lieutenant rice are all facing this false imprisonment charge. basically, the charge is that freddie gray should have never been arrested. the other two officers officer william porter 25 years old, hired in 2012 facing three charges, including voluntary manslaughter. and finally, a woman, sergeant alicia white, also charged with three counts charges that could bring 20 years in prison. as far as our records show right now, none of these officers have been charged in any crime relating to their duties in the past. obviously, brooke facing very serious charges now. >> drew griffin, thank you very much. we also know according to the mayor, five of those police officers now in police custody as i speak. thank you, sir. coming up next i'm going to bring in don lemon. don lemon spoke with the woman who announced those charges this morning. what the state's attorn