it is unusual to match that. >> host: jamie raab? >> guest: two our biggest book came without an agent. one was a huge best seller for many years actually and sales rep heard about the book was being sold directly by the author in the back of his car, we benefited and bought it and the rest is history. another one very similar was rich dad poor dad also a huge best seller and a series of books. we -- he was selling them in a car wash or something but it was beginning to catch on so one job of an editor is to keep his or her ears open all the time. not only depends on agents but what other people are reading. those are exceptions. it is very rare but it does happen. the other thing we do now is look at self published books, we look at books that seem to be taking off the were put on line by readers and we are aware of books that are gathering followers and sometimes go directly to the author and say would you like a publisher? >> the rise of the robot is a part of perseus, the life of robots and the first book was a self published e-b

raab president and publisher of grand central publishing, and susan weinberg, senior vice president, group publisher of perseus. we thank you both for being on tv. hardcovers from new york continues. up next is a panel that was taped at the publishers convention. it's on innovation and data and the world of digital technology and some of the disruptions in the publishing industry today. afterwards we would be back live with pulitzer prize winner chris hedges and chess champion and putin critic garry kasparov. to more live cullins today from new york city, but here's a panel on innovation. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> i am joanna stone herman cofounder and ceo of librify. i want to introduce you to our keynote panel. today we're going to be talking about data and innovation. would start with a little hole of the audience. to here has a smart phone raise your hand. it is an absurd question. you would expect every hand in this audience to go up. as i see -- i expect many of you are holding your smart phone because you are ready to take pictures of our panelists