charlie: you are. [laughter] charlie: then because of your dead greyhound, you get interested in other dead bodies and decomposing bodies. what is your camera telling us? sally: i don't know. charlie: you just wrote a memoir about it. sally: i know right. i am like the dancer pavlova who did that wonderful dance. when she was done, all of the interviewers asked what was it , about? she said, if i could tell you i would not have danced about it. charlie: the book is part of you thinking about all of this and to find some meaning in it. sally: it is a huge translation. usually it is enough to take the picture and put them on the wall and assume that if you are a good enough artists, your meaning is plain. but to then to have to make the transition from visual art to written words it was quite , interesting. it's a whole different way of thinking, to be able to talk about your work. and not so easy it turned out. charlie: john grisham said "in hold still, sally mann wraps her prose around the pictures rev

charlie: for what? ian: to keep outdoing myself, to keep breaking new ground, to show people there is new territory and roles to break. charlie: you will see some of the and this book. your life is a remarkable but full of photographs and design ideas, and a sense of place. where does this come from? what has shaped you to have this role so that the huge marrying corporation knows they need your permission to go into that space? ian: when you think outside of the box you see things other people can't see. when you present them to other people your presenting something that they are not used to seeing. if you're lucky enough to have it resonate with them you have a huge hit. that is something that i have been very fortunate to be involved with. charlie: it may extend beyond addition. you have a person that has a different view of the business that has made marriott what it is. arne: ian has bigger influence in our company. already. where does this come from? there is a piece of ian which is a rebel and a

charlie: oh god. [laughter] sally: you start locking out inks, and that is a very important part of taking pictures, the ability to isolate what you are concentrating on. sometimes when i read a book it will be describing a scene and i will see it in my mind. i will see it as a black and white photograph. it should be darker. softer. the river should be dark, that the trees -- usually all the time. charlie: back to technique. sally: oh gosh. [laughter] charlie: i heard the reason why you like photography is because of the dark room. because that is the place where you and your boyfriend could get together. sally: sort of a euphemism. [laughter] there was that. no question about that. charlie: you took your first intimate photographs there. sally: i did. of course, i immediately got in trouble for it. i got in trouble for everything. i was a little minx. i was a bad girl. but the pictures the pictures got me in trouble. for one, i was innocent. it was a completely innocent picture, but it involved nudi

charlie: charlie: and then he shows up. carey: and questions everything a part of it laboriously for hours. charlie: what are the possibilities for her when he shows up? carey: initially, there is a possibility of them being together. charlie: he spends the night. carey: yes, there is the possibility of a reunion. i think he has always held her at arms length a little bit. as the play develops, you see what it is that keeps them and will keep them apart. charlie: it's interesting to me -- i loved him as you know and he knows. i think he is such a wonderful actor and so beguiling the way he is. his personality -- it's kind of the reticence of it all for me. carey: absolutely. charlie: when he comes in the room, she is flat. he is dancing all the time. he's constantly in motion and he will take a chair and move the chair and he will move it back. it's like a choreography. carey: it's like a dance, it feels like that. charlie: did he create that question mark carey: carey: it was a collaboration. the scenes are very -- stephen

charlie: beheading and? ben: yes. charlie: i see. i assume that the militias had a directed all of their hostility towards sunni's, as well as isis. a ben: that is the big fear. in the areas where they clear out isis, they take revenge and against the sunni population. charlie: and that is the problem in the beginning. ben: yes. i think that one of the biggest mistakes of the war was allowing maliki to have a second term. a after the first, i think i feel i put that question to a ambassador crocker and he said he was the only man who would have done that job at that point. but he had a record of governing along very sectarian lines. that should have been enough. most iraqis voted for a secular coalition. but maliki was given a second term. i think that that directly led to the rise of isis. charlie: fighting isis now are acharlie: fighting isis now are shia militias. you are saying that they are often as bad as isis was in terms of beheadings, in terms of pillage, in terms of violence against women? ben: exactly. you could spend half

charlie: good to have you. richard reeves is one of my favorite journalists, the book is called "the shocking story of the japanese-american internment in world war ii tilde -- world war ii." it is good to see you. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ >> "brilliant ideas," powered by hyundai motors. narrator: the contemporary art world is vibrant and booming as never before. it's a 21st century phenomenon, a global industry in its own right. "brilliant ideas" looks at the heart of this. they have a unique power to thrill, provoke, shock, push boundaries, ask new questions, and see the world afresh. artists like michael joo.

charlie: thank you for coming. back in a moment. charlie: richard reeves is here. he is the author of more than a dozen books on politics. he is a professor at the school of communications and journalism at the university of southern california. let's talk about the book and politics. i am always interested in what brings a good writer with a broad experience to a particular story. richard: i have always been fascinated by the story. i grew up in california for the most part. you also go past -- you always go past the gate house at manson are. -- m,anzanar -- manzanar. all the laws that made this possible are still in the book. we could round up the muslims, the border crossers whatever, tomorrow with the same laws and probably with the same negative results too. i go back to the fact of what happened to the camps. it was easy to get in, it was hard to get out. in hawaii, we did not incarcerate the population. we did it in the mainland of the united states. when the time came, we realized we had made a mistake. only 1200 kids from the camps enlisted. 20,000 in hawa

charlie: for two days? carey: the first morning we read it and in the afternoon and by the second day we did a run through. it was a huge script. i did not know my lines but he knew it and had done it before. we started doing it and i think it's a combination of bill and who he is and what's fascinating to watch. charlie: what's fascinating? carey: he's like no one i have never met. he is mercurial. there is a point in the play where he hops and leaps which he did not do in london. he added this leap during this argument. i remember -- it's brilliant -- i did not know any of my lines. and i had to learn to cook this meal in the first scene. i would look up and see bill doing this incredible dance. it was between the two of them that they came up with it. charlie: he's an interesting actor. tell me your sense of him. he is a man who never wanted to do shakespeare. he is loved by other actors. carey: he does not believe in the airy, fairy school of acting, sort of wishy-washy. when he first met stephen on "sk

charlie what is the intent? : karl: i want to raise my children functionally so they can be able to manage their own lives without being damaged. i also want to write incredibly good novels. that is impossible, but that is what i want to do. that is much better than being happy. charlie: what is that process of getting to where you can write? karl: that's on -- i think it's -- i think the idea is you should be free when you are writing. nothing should restrict you whatsoever. you have so many thoughts and so many ideas and you have to get all of these away to enter a place where you can just write. i think reflections, thinking, that is enormously overestimated in our culture. what you feel and emotions get ignored, more or less. i follow my intuition, and that can lead anywhere. charlie: how much are you shaped by the country you are from? karl: a lot. we said this is a book about identity and where you are from is important. i am from this family, and i am from this nation. i was born into that language and cu

charlie: from the campaign trail, thank you. ♪ charlie: jeff immelt is here. for over a century ge has been , at the forefront of medical transportation, and more. including finance. it announced it will be exiting ge capital. the financial arm contributed to its troubles during the financial crisis. it aims to achieve 90% from its industrial roots. one innovation is the industrial internet that integrates complex machinery with software. i am pleased to have jeff immelt back at this table. we look forward to this conversation. thank you. this is a different company. tell me how. jeff: over the last decade, it is our sense that you can only be as broad as you are deep and frequently focus is a good thing. while ge is still really big we are a high-tech industrial company today and that has been , a good transition and we feel great about how the company is positioned. it is the biggest in the world and very competitive. we love where the company is. charlie: most of your investments are between physics and the new analytical digital world. jeff: all our produc

charlie: absolutely. sally: the difference is i remember robert frank lived in an apartment in a courtyard. he said he used to see them turn up at the painting on the campus. talk for this had to hold the viewfinder to his face -- the photographer had to hold the viewfinder to his face and take the moment. when you are writer, it is so much more difficult. i had to conjure the old thing up from scratch. photography is about choices. writing is about choices, but you had to create the choices. they're not out there in the world for you. charlie: do you want to do it again? sally: i don't think so. charlie: you have nothing left to say? sally: god knows. 500 pages. charlie: but it is 2015. you talk about everything here. you talk about how photography contains the world. sally: i think they can. charlie: how so? sally: i think he is brilliant. i made that announcement that at that photography could change the world. he is one of the people who has been making photographs that i think has changed the world.

charlie: why is that? george: we have reached a stage in our society where what i call the middle class, working-class jobs are disappearing so the middle class it self is dissolving. most of it falling backwards, some of it moving up. the intellectual information technological revolution through which we are passing means the skills they had are now obsolete and we have not come up with mechanisms to catch up in providing knowledge, skill, opportunity and jobs for people to replace those that existed. in my small town growing up as a kid, there were two small mills. not one of those facilities exist anymore and that's a microcosm of america. charlie: same for me in my hometown. george: there is a hidden hunger in small towns across america in two dimensions. physical lack of food. kids can't learn if they don't have food and secondly, there's a broader need for meaning in life. meaning that comes from a job. making you feel like you are an active participating meck -- member of our society. that's what's

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: l pacino is here. he is an oscar, tony, and emmy award-winning actor. some actors played characters. al pacino becomes them. here is a look at some of his work. [indiscernible] question you are still my wife? you are supposed to love me. >> i was going to go out and score for you. >> you are in trouble! >> i don't care if you are in trouble! >> where am i going to go? >> you broke my heart. >> you broke my heart. >> get over there, will you! he wants to kill me so bad, he can taste it. >> you want to play rough? ok! say hello to my friend! >> you want to learn the first rule? you would know it if you ever spent a day in your life. you never open your mouth until you know what the shot is. >> there was a time i could see, and i have seen. boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out their legs ripped off -- boys but there is nothing like the site of a amputated's.. there is no prosthetic for that. >> the difference between you and some poor bass third you're going to -- you are going to turn

>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: we begin with david petreus. talking about the rise of isis in iraq and syria. the lessons he learned of their as commander in iraq and afghanistan. how bad is the situation on the ground in iraq and syria today? the impression is that isis is gaining ground and cities. david: it is worrisome. as we say, the enemy gets a vote. that's what's happened in ramadi. this is both an operational and strategic setback. i think we will regain the initiative on the ground in iraq, but this is a moment where you sit back and say, what we need to do in the military arena. what, also, doing it to do in the political arena. you have to make the gains on the battlefield. isis is almost a conventional military force right now. but the center of gravity is in baghdad, and that's where we need to look in particular to make sure we have the right military structure to complement the embassy. who is there to work with the ambassador? do we have the right people there to enable those iraqi leaders who will bring about the political ch

charlie: it does. in the early days and everybody said why would satellite-tv -- why would anyone pay for a satellite dish? the answer was simple. debtor picture quality, interactive -- better picture quality, interactive, less expensive. more choices for the consumer. the signal quality was more reliable. now people are asking the question -- why would you pay for ott? ott eliminates some of the paying points. a lot of people don't pay for tv as we know it. we takeaway some of those points with sling tv so you don't have a contract come equipment to buy. you can go on vacation and take your service off for a month or two. you can go in and out of the service through the internet without any cost. it is immediate. betty: you can do it right away. charlie: you don't have to wait for an installer and somebody to come by. betty: you don't have to take a day off and wait for the cable guy. charlie: and it is less expensive. our basic package is $20. we have premium channels. it attracts a lot of people, pa

betty: dish network founder charlie ergen. for the first time on bloomberg television, bergen weighs in on a seismic shift taking place in television. his plans for becoming the next big wireless company and why he might looking to merge with that guy, john ledger. charlie: they have done it for testing jobs in the upstart -- they certainly have done a fantastic job in the upstart company. betty: he faces questions about his management style. charlie: we have high expectations. betty: join me as charlie ergen dishes it out on this addition of "titans at the table." hello. welcome to "titans at the table." charlie ergen has always been something of a fearless renegade. ergen led a group in the 1980's and started dish in the next decade. in the process, he has become one of the richest men in america, worth nearly $20 billion. he stepped out of the spotlight in 2011 and handed the ceo reins to joe clinton. he is back in the hot seat. with the satellite tv business in its early days, he wants to get the forefront of this change b

charlie:-- in explictcably. charlie: i want to know how you convinced him. because he regrets it deeply. i think he would argue you betrayed him. michael: i think he does. charlie: i'm just saying, the question is, how did you convince them to let you do this? what charm did you prevail? show me -- what did you do to -- share everything with me. i will do book about you nobody has ever seen. what was it you said? michael: the truth was it was all a mistake and a misunderstanding. i think, i said -- charlie: this is different from a lie. michael: probably. i went in and said and rupert and i have known each other. and i like him. he does like me because he likes to talk about media life. and here i'm talking about it and i said, he just succeeded in taking over "the wall street journal " i said i would like to write a book about this. charlie: he thought it was about the " wall street journal"? michael: i would like to write a book about you and the takeover of "the wall street journal." he said -- argh. charlie: was that the truth? did you really intend to m

charlie: you have read his book? tim: i have. charlie: you knew something about the man. tim: i think what evan sees as the light side let's say it is a double helix of character in his dna, i see it as political genius. the man achieved the greatest comeback since lazarus when he won the election in. charlie: not a natural politician. tim: not a backslapping. basically, awkward. i found a key, i think. in a letter that martin luther king wrote to a friend in 1958 after he met nixon. martin luther king said, nixon is a genius at convincing you that he is sincere. if he is not sincere, he is the most dangerous man in america. this is where we divide in our books. i see a genius that had a grand strategy for world peace. and i also see a man that is fighting two wars. he fought the vietnam war on two fronts. in southeast asia and at home. over there, he used b-52 bombers and over here, he used bugs, break-ins black bag jobs and political espionage to destroy his enemies. the domestic enemies, the press. among them, nixon said to kissinger the press is the enemy. the establi

charlie: fritz kramer? there was a point where he said to you, kissinger, you are historian -- you are a historian. dr. kissinger: he had to phd degrees and was about 15 years were more than i was. i don't know what he was doing in the infantry division to begin with. he took an interest in what i should be reading, which was not the normal conversations. charlie: he said two things -- you are a historian -- dr. kissinger: he said forget about accounting. [laughter] charlie: that was not a hard sell. he also said you should go to harvard. dr. kissinger: yes. he gave me a list of schools. the problem was i didn't know anything about admissions policies, so i applied in april of the year i wanted to go to school. every school except harvard, they wrote back in effect saying you must be kidding. [laughter] why don't you go back to city college? but harvard took me. charlie: did he have something to do with that? dr. kissinger: he certainly wrote me a letter of recommendation. he was extremely influential in my

charlie: why is that? aziz: because people have these devices that contain a big part of their personal life and the way you communicate on that really defines how people think about you. i think with this romance stuff, it is like especially with , texting, you are not hearing a voice or anything. it's even different than a phone call. you just see these words and people read so much into the time it takes to write back and certain things turn people off like grammar or spelling is a huge turnoff for some people -- some people like it when a guy uses one of those emoticons. someone else's like if he uses that i don't take them seriously at all. certain things you say on your phone can really define how you end up appearing in the real world. aziz: i talked to a woman want to set i'm just honest with people. i don't mess around. i'm like really, i'm a guy, i ask you out for dinner, what you say? she said i would sam not interested in going to dinner with you. on one hand, that's nice -- there's no games th

>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: we begin tonight with iraq. president obama authorized up to 450 noncombat troops to be sent on wednesday. it will include training the local iraqi security forces against isis. the troops will be a in anbar province, where isis has made territorial gains recently. president obama admitted the u.s. did not have a complete strategy to beat the group. joining me michael gordon here in new york. and dexter filkins of the new yorker magazine. michael gordon, tell me what is happening right now with respect to -- i mean, the administration seems to fear being pulled into will iraq, and on the other hand they have a growing sense that things are going so badly they may have to do something different. where are we? michael: the american strategy has been to degrade and defeat the islamic state, but it has been under resourced all along. they do not have a strategy that outlines -- aligns with their objectives. after the fall of ramadi, they have made some course correction by sending american personnel to a new base in

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: l pacino is here. he is an oscar, tony, and emmy award-winning actor. some actors played characters. al pacino becomes them. here is a look at some of his work. [indiscernible] >> you are in trouble! >> i don't care if you are in trouble! >> where am i going to go? >> you broke my heart. >> you broke my heart. >> get over there, will you! [indiscernible] >> you want to play rough? ok! say hello to my friend! >> you want to learn the first rule? you never open your mouth until you know what the shot is. >> there was a time i could see and i have seen. voice like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off -- boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off. there is nothing like the site of an amputated prosthetic. >>-- amputated spirit. >> brother, you are going down. >> this guy is the top scientist in the number three tobacco company in america. he's a corporate officer. this guy is the ultimate insider. he's got something to say. >> you may ca

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose" charlie:. charlie:we begin with a hack of personnel records from computers across the government. it may be the largest reach ever of u.s. government networks. investigators suspect china is behind the attacks, which china denies. we turn to david sanger, let me begin with the basic question. how serious is this? how much damage does it do react go? david: as with all big cyberattacks, we don't know yet how much damage it did. there is good reason to believe since the office of personnel management, which is the office that handles security clearances and all other personnel matters for the federal government, told 4 million current and former government employees that they were going to get free credit reporting at a subsidized -- subsidized by the u.s. government. they think they lost a lot of personally identifiable information, which, at its most benign, would be so so security numbers and addresses. at its worst, information and answers people gave as they went through the security clearan

charlie: good luck. back in a moment. stay with us. charlie: richard lewis is here. the chicago tribune called him one of the most audacious wordsmiths decide of lenny bruce. his therapist the late comedian said lewis proves you don't have to institutionalize a psychotic. he released a box set of his work called bundle of nerves. he has now created a book. richard lewis's guide how not to live. i am pleased to have richard lewis. richard: i'm pleased to be here. charlie: tell me about you and him and how you came to admire him. richard: a friend when i was three or four introduced me to call in. soon after that larry david got him a studio. i end up bulk buying 30 or 40 of his paintings. he is so understood the way he paints my mind, good or bad. i'm going to call you up and anything that tickles your fancy -- which is a phrase i've never used on television. diane sure ted. it's not a bad name for a jazz song. i called him up and we got the book together by a wonderful editor. now it is a powerhouse books. 50 images. he just demolished me. charlie: this one works. an

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: jim o'neill is here. the former chief economist and head of asset management at goldman sachs. he has not slowed down since retiring in wall street. and prime minister david cameron. that role, he was tasked with advising economic performance. i am pleased to have him back at this table. first of all leaving goldman , sachs, why was that the right time? jim: i don't know if it was. but for many years, there was always a time where you have to leave. a place as competitive as goldman, i had seen a number of senior people stay too long. they did not know how to cope with life. i kind of told myself that i would certainly rather leave before the best time rather than after the best time. of course, you don't know when that is. i thought that i will take the risks when i want to learn and explore elsewhere. when i am comfortable with pursuing the same path. i thought i wanted to do something else besides goldman sachs. i love the place dearly. i saw a couple of people from their over the weekend. i don't thin

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. this was an important day in america. in washington, the supreme court said same-sex marriage was a constitutional right. in charleston, south carolina president obama spoke to the issue of racism and how much work we have to do. we begin with the president in charleston. president obama: we are here today to remember a man of god who lived by faith. a man who believed in things not seen. a man who believed they were better days ahead, off in the distance. a man of service persevered -- who persevered knowing full well he would not receive all those things he was promised because he believed his efforts would deliver a better life for those who followed. we do not know whether the killer of rev. pinckney and eight others knew all of this history. but he surely sensed the meaning of his violent act. it was an act that drew on a long history of bombs arson, shots fired at churches. not random. but as a means of control. a way to terrorize and oppress. [applause] president obama: an act

charlie: good to have you. richard reeves is one of my favorite journalists the book is called "the shocking story of the japanese-american internment in world war ii tilde -- world war ii." it is good to see you. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ . emily: she took ebay from a 30 person startup to a multibillion-dollar powerhouse. and then lost a race for governor. and now meg whitman faces her biggest challenge yet, turning around struggling giant hewlett-packard. the solution, to split the company in two. joining me, hp ceo meg whitman. thank you for joining me. meg: you are welcome. i am an admirer of your show.

charlie: -- dr. kissinger: it can -- it showed what can happen to a country if if its elements are differently arranged and what can happen through segregating people, declaring them subhuman and the consistency with which this was carried out -- we captured the man who was in charge of the camp because he stayed there and he turned it over to us because he thought he had his orders from someone else. to him, that camp was a normal part of existence. charlie: what happened to him? dr. kissinger: i don't know what happened to him. he probably went to court. but we moved on. but the camp that was responsible for the whole region, the commander of that stayed behind and was hanged six months later. he was one of the first war criminals tried. charlie: you stayed, being an counterintelligence, for two years after the war ended. dr. kissinger: yes. the war ended in july of 45 and i stayed about nine months in the area which was then assigned to me. charlie: could you have gone home then? dr. kissinger: i

charlie: yes. josh: what i really want them to get is that this is a world that is right all around. parts of it are mystifying. no doubt. but a significant portion of it is quite understandable and they should feel empowered to explore it, ask questions, and to treat it as just as on a profession as anything else. charlie: hang in there and give yourself some time to develop some traction. josh: i would go even further and say, look, you already know how to minute late software. you are doing it all day long. -- manipulate software. you have opinions about it. certain software works better for you than other software. just as you would watch a ballet and want to know what was that move, you should look at your iphone and say, ok, how did they do that. paul: and there is tremendous pleasure in that. it works. it takes time. it takes effort. charlie: i can see it in you. paul: oh, i love it. charlie: thank you, paul. you, josh. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ al: bernie sanders is the junior sen

charlie: was that the truth? did you really intend to make this a book about -- michael: i said it was about your life, how this came about that this was the ultimate -- and that is what the book is about. charlie: the ultimate acquisition for him. michael: he said fine. come in. and that was it. charlie: did the family tell him it was a good idea? everybody was a little -- no because nobody tells them anything. i go in, and sit down and we talked for an hour and a half. charlie: before the deal was made? michael: no, this was after the deal. i had sold the book. so i am off and running. we have our hour and a half discussion. at the end, he says, do you have enough? and i said, i actually don't. i need to see you again. so he brings out his book and he writes it in. a week later -- charlie: his address book. michael: a week later, i come back, and we go to the same thing again. do you have enough? this goes on pretty much like this for every meeting for nine months. charlie: so, he is trying to be as good as he

charlie: you accept that? that is possibility of being transformative is a significant as what he said about reagan? al: i do. other than the center right, i accept everything. ed: i was struggling with how -- al: some readers would be shocked by that. he gave the initial interview and mentioned reagan in his book . what he said was not that he agrees with reagan's policies but reagan changed things reagan changed america made a difference. reagan established a regular order. what attracted a lot of attention in january of 2008 was he said clinton did not. bill clinton always lamented the fact he didn't have a great crisis to deal with. obama has had crises to deal with. he has risen to that occasion. i'm not sure how history is going to judge it. we are not sure how history will judge ronald reagan but he is a significant resident. charlie: here is what he said. will measure myself by the end of my presidency whether i began the process of rebuilding the middle class and reversing the trend towards an economi

charlie: what happens if they do? ian: if they do and we have a default, they end up with their own currency. charlie: who loses most? ian: i don't think the europeans will lose much economically. i think the amount that is in the banks and regulations that have been created mean you will not see a run another countries and you won't also see other governments lining up to exit themselves. greece is a unique situation in europe. charlie: greece decides to leave the eurozone. no other country is likely to rush to leave? what is the problem? ian: one is that politically greece is much more likely to orient itself to very different countries. china and russia. china in terms of infrastructure building. russia in terms of the military alliances. that is a very different notion for countries increasingly concerned as we will talk about. secondarily, this is all about what europe needs. if they let the greeks go simply because they were not able to make austerity terms, that implies europe is not about common values. charli

charlie: >> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." history was made at belmont park when american pharaoh won the triple crown. he was the first horse to complete it since 37 years ago. here is the look at the home stretch of saturday's race. >> as they time to the top of the stretch, american pharoah makes his run for glory. they come into the final furlong. frosted is second. american pharoah has a two length lead. here it is. the 37 year wait is over. american pharoah is the wine. -- is the one! charlie: the victory was victor espinoza's third attempt at the crown. i am pleased to have him for the first time. victor: thank you for having me. charlie: you can't see that enough can you? victor: no. a gave me goosebumps. charlie: what happened when you had an eighth of a mile to go and he seemed to pull away? he had something more, or was it the other horses didn't have as much? victor: no, no. they just have more. i want to take control out of the race as soon as the gate open. i let it do his own thing for the high-speed that he had

charlie: of his deeds? because he had some quality -- karl: this thing happened in europe germany and it was only two or three generations ago. this unbelievable thing. how could it happen? we define our culture against what happened there. a lot of things we cannot think or cannot do because of what happened. i started to read about him and i started to read mein kampf. charlie: what kind of book was it? karl: mostly very boring. it is full of -- it is pathological. he writes very well about commercialism, propaganda, speech to givens people. to convince people. -- speech to convince people. when i am speaking there is so much power in that act, you know? charlie: did you see genius in his book? karl: he is a poor writer. he got such bad reviews when he -- when it came out. some said it was the end of hitler's career. everyone was laughing at this book. it is amazing he managed to rise up after that and get to where he got. it is fascinating. you wonder, can it happen again? of course, it can happen again.

charlie: ah. adam liptak: there have been chief justice is that played favorites and were not straight with their colleagues, and he is not one of those. but at the same time the truth is that this court is often divided along ideological lines not reflect it in today's decisions, but in the second one today, where justice kennedy joins either the four liberals or for conservatives. -- four conservatives. i think that the chief justice has been working to do away with that image. he is pleased when the press reports that this is a court that is not about politics but about legal judgments. charlie: in the history of the supreme court, is it likely to say that o'connor and kennedy because there were -- they were swing justices, exercise enormous power in terms of the outcome in what the court said was constitutional? adam: absolutely right, charlie. it turns out that the medium justice at the ideological center has completely outsized power. you see that in supreme court arguments where the moment

charlie: i couldn't write a book. but, i do think that the culture of a company is important and i think that companies don't have a good track record of surviving a founder. the ones that do have a culture that carries on. not to say a culture would not evolve but it is what carries on, not the people. once you establish a culture, you have to hire and train into that. we have made some mistakes in the past where we got complacent and did not do a good enough job upfront to make sure people understood what our culture was about. what generally people like is they can make a difference. a lot of companies, it is a lot of data, analyzing. we have high expectations. if you are not used to that, you are not as comfortable. my kids would be in the track meet at school and the person who came in first and last all got medals for participating. we don't do that here. you don't get a medal for participation. betty: he thinks companies can be demanding while keeping their employees happy but it is clear for this ceo, winning

charlie: i can see it in you. paul: oh, i love it. charlie: thank you paul. you, josh. any moment. stay with us. e spent 16 years in the house of representatives. this spring, he announced his candidacy for the democratic nomination, calling for a redistribution of income to address inequalities, a crash effort on climate change, and the end of influence of special interest money in politics. he had been considered aching quijano challenger to hillary clinton. but he is drawing huge crowds in new hampshire and connecticut. bernie sanders, thank you for joining us. bernie: thank you for having me. al: the wisconsin straw poll, has that changed your thinking calculation? bernie: that is what i thought from the very beginning. we are running this race to win. alkaline and you can win? -- out: and you -- al: and you can win? bernie: they are seeing 90% of all new income going to the top number 1%. wealth inequality in this country, people are worried about the kids. they understand we are the only major country on earth without a national health care program. when you look at the polit