bill: hmmm, hindsight ladies, good morning. katie pavlich townhall.com, fox news contributor. marianne marsh former advisor to secretary of state john kerry we hope he is doing better that he is flown back to boss ton. hope for a good recovery for him. all right. katie, what do you think bob schiefer was trying to characterize from the 2008 press, many times by kurtz by the way? >> first of all there is a lot of material to go through with

moderator: talking about the iraq war hindsight, what would you have done differently? >> we could have said that maybe roosevelt should have engaged in the european part of world war ii more. if we had known that there were jews murdered by the nazi but 6 million obviously the power of hindsight is irrelevant but announcer: knowing what we know now those decisions based on faulty intelligence was a mistake and that doesn't mean we would have dealt with saddam hussein and in different circumstances and the world is better off without him in power. those losses should have been learned by the current president . by departing too early has created a void that has been filled. this week to the ice this army -- the isis army took over ramadi. >> i wanted to repeat a question with interesting answer if he were president of united states who is your first phone call to? >> the leadership of congress how to recreate an agenda of most aggressive and republicans that is the only way you do the deal. how do we forge consensus so that we solve problems? how do we we the web of sta

. >> with hindsight, getting greece into the euro was wrong. it cheated on its numbers and to are sufferinge the long-term consequences of cheating. >> was it not their responsibility to check? >> at that time, it was not the responsibility of eurostat. deeply too look very the statistical agency in greece , so in hindsight, it was a mistake, but it was a mistake that was entirely of the greeks. goingdo you think we're to keep them in the eurozone? you are saying about a 50% chance -- has that changed over the weekend? >> there has been this new proposal by greece as a relatively favorable welcome by the creditors. we are used to these ups and downs, so i think it is a bit at are than 50% again. i was watching an interview stephanie did with you a couple of months ago and you said you don't want to think of what happens if three -- if greece leaves the eu. now we have to think about that. what would it be like for greece to step out of the euro? race has lost about a quarter of its gdp so far. i would not be surprised if they would lose another

but hindsight if you publish a controversial book you adapt of goal of the public mind long consideration of the response but but you don't want to be bullied or intimidated or ostracized but the knee-jerk reaction but many of that traditional central liberals to noticed because of the controversy and decided to open it up and read it. that is where my role as editor is important because we agreed that those bahut people the open minded liberals is a real audience and writing the book to persuade them. not to be the up though left by it but the vast majority but up to this point of view ? >> bad is the point to bring conservative viewpoints to in my in the opinion. that is well we were trying to accomplish and i think that we did. i haven't mastered to give a short answer. i apologize but this is cable. i can digress. the value to publish a book like that is that it creates a controversy is to generate attention and then draws people to use the book but as a person on the other side, now we fast-forward 25 years to the book clinton cash. this takes on the clintons and it does not specific

many of the behaviors raised in thattrial that happened in but withsteps, hindsight, they are real, this is from sue decker. this may not be discrimination according to the law, but small flights and have a real impact on someone. beth: there is no question, all of us women saw ourselves in this situation. we are often the minority. emily: but do you understand how a lot of these things can be small things in isolation, but altogether they are a big deal. emily: yes i understand that, we hiddensess it in bias -- bias, so it is important to be aware of those and act on them, sinking to the best out of all of your people and make decisions. that this irony is firm has had women top partners for a long time. there are other firms who have none. is there a fundamental problem in the vc industry? emily: there that john: there is. pipeline thing? john: if you want to hire out and women, you go out and find them. .e look long and hard it was a campaign. we hired mary because she is the best in the world at the job that she does, not because she is a woman. you haveis idea that to be a founder o

. >> hindsight is 20/20. >> why give the interviews? >> it's fascinating. to me it shows the fact that the republican party has an impulse, certainly, the projection on the american force. there's a distaste for nation building too. the latter is what you see in the interview. it's not really in their dna. in hindsight, rumsfeld and other folks would say it tilted more toward that. it's not who they are. >> harshly critical of president obama's strategy in that interview. we have to have a big debate about the strategy of isis. i'm not sure i want to listen to somebody who was there in the iraq war saying i was concerned all along. we'll see how that goes. president obama at the g7 talking about a big supreme court case we are waiting to hear. a challenge. the supreme court rules it unconstitutional a big piece of obamacare gets pulled out or he says congress could fix it in a nano nanosecond. >> this should be an easy case and probably shouldn't have been taken up. it's a bad idea. it shouldn't be done based on a twisted interpretation of four words in as

with hindsight that will be in easy call. right now they are in this awkward precipice. what is their role in that? right now it is stable but it is not clearly stable. emily: have you transition from google to a company like cloudera. tom: it is happening fast. he is bringing in cultural change. not cultural change in that he wants to change -- the pace of innovation. that is something that is inside google which makes it an exciting place. one of the things important from our industry, there is a technology we are building, we can trace it back to google. google invented this technology. to have google joining our company is powerful. emily: we see a lot of googlers go on to star companies. pinterest, twitter, instagram. is -- what do you make of that? google spiking innovation? guest: i've been critical for x googlers to start. i don't know if there is a successful example. i think on the enterprise side there are several examples. i found a company that was entirely x google engineers. i'm more dubious. tom: in our worlds, in the data center google's data center oper

in aggregate, with the potential of hindsight, they are real. how do you respond to the idea that while this may not be discrimination according to the law, small repeated flights and have a real impact on someone. beth: there is no question, all of us women saw ourselves in this situation. we are often the minority. emily: but do you understand how a lot of these things can be small things in isolation, but altogether they are a big deal. john: yes, i understand that. we understand that. we all possess biases, hidden biases. it is important to be aware of those and mitigate them, act on them. so you can get the best out of all of your people and make decisions. emily: the irony is that this firm has had women top partners for a long time. there are many top firms who have none. is there a fundamental problem in the vc industry? john: sure. it is bigger than that. 6% of venture capitalists are female. emily: it is a pipeline thing? john: if you want to hire out and women, you go out and find them. we looked long and hard. it was a concerted camp

all remember what september 2008 was like, there were a lot of decisions made very quickly, but in hindsight, their work was jens. he found a very practical balance, which, ultimately, i we are very happy about, but sort of as a practical observer of the markets, having done and awful job. josh, they said that the rescue was legal and esa's. i was wondering if we could get your reaction to that news. measure,hink by any you would have to say that the aig rescue was effective. a mitigated question. the courts have spoken. it is shocking to think that the treasury and the appeal does not happen. obviously, the government has to have some degree of flexibility with respect to failing financial institutions to be a look to act appropriately in times of national crisis. usually, the courts will support a government that thoughtfully does that, and i think here you debate thisctfuly relative to how they treated other financial firms, but ultimately, if you were there in 2008 and were trying to solve the problem, you cannot go back and renegotiate these things. i am personally sympathetic to their

in aggregate, with the perspective of hindsight, they are real. how do you respond to this idea that, while this might not be this can have a real impact on someone? beth seidenberg: there is no question all of us women saw ourselves in that situation. we are often the minority. emily: but do you understand how a lot of these things can be small things, yet in isolation they don't seem like a big deal, but altogether they are? john doerr: yes, we all understand that. we all possess hidden biases. it is important to be aware of those and act on it to mitigate them so you can get the best out of all your people and make better decisions. emily: the irony is that kleiner has had women in leadership for a very long time, and there are still many top firms who have none. is there a final problem in the vc industry? john doerr: sure, it's pathetic. a 6% of venture capitalists are female. it's ridiculous. emily: is it a pipeline thing or are people not looking hard enough? john doerr: i think they are not looking hard enough. if you want to higher outsta

. >> the fruit should have been apples in hindsight. that would have been funnier. >> their brother gets home and they're making him find his watch. it's in here somewhere but you have to find it. you can tell he's super excited. he's giddy. the brother is like i'm going to go find it before you do. when he picks up runs to the pool and suddenly -- oh no the box is now in the water. and now water is seeping into the box. he does get it. >> what a fun family to be part of. everybody is in on this. that's great. >> he sets it down. you can tell that the box is pretty wet. >> open it quick. >> i feel really really sick. >> what if it got in the actual box? >> yeah well -- >> and then they do open the box and he realizes that it was just a prank and sees the fruit. >> pretty good idea. >> i just got punked very bad. >>> roxy the monkey is back. why she had us falling out of our chairs on the next "right this minute." >>> and still to come these dudes are out for some fun in the mud. >> that looks like a pathfinder. >> see if they're able to

. >> that's all hindsight now. >> that's all hindsight now. where a person begins a story as twisted and strange as this one can seem arbitrary perhaps but in this case, to us it made sense to begin on a friday morning in april 2013 in the city of grand rapids, michigan, when the phone rang on the desk of detective amy lowery. it was a call from an attorney who reported that a mother of a high school sophomore had seen something that couldn't be unseen. >> the boy's mother had suspected something and had taken his phone because it was broken and had the information transferred to another phone to view what was on his phone. >> and what was on it? well, besides the flood of texts and photos you would expect to see on any teenager's phone was this. it was grainy but unmistakable. a woman clearly much older than the boy. the photo along with the accompanying text messages longing, urgent, breathless, left no doubt whatsoever in the mind of the detective. >> immediately it was evident that there was a romantic relationship going on. >> how did you

well, you know the famous saying, "hindsight is 20/20, and donald rumsfeld is an asshole." both are true. a new study shows that men will cheat on wives who make 100% of a family's income. the poll was conducted thanks to a generous grant from the duh foundation. don't you dare touch that dial. this is "the nightly show"! >> yes! captioning sponsored by comedy central thank you very much. thank you. all right. appreciate it. you're so very kind. welcome to "the nightly show." i'm larry wilmore. let's get to it. top story tonight, manhunt. >> right now the manhunt for two dangerous killers. they escaped from a maximum security prison upstate. then they vanished. >> they vanished? or they can't find them? because they if they vanished this is supernatural [bleep] right? all right. well, what should we do? >> the state police asked that the public take no chances make no efforts to apprehend them. >> right. take no chances, please. what was that guy's name again? major guess. [applause] well, you know that name doesn't exactly instill confidence during an ongoing investigation

not incorrect knowledge having been given to them that is the perspective that must be used not 20/20 hindsight. >> mark it has been 200 plus days and a grand jury has not yet been called. that is what i keep hearing over and over from so many people saying why has this not been brought to a grand jury yet. why does the family have to wait so long. what is your reaction to that? >> i agree with the family and i agree with the people not just in the area but really around the country and indeed the world who are saying we need some level of justice. what does justice look like. justice means a thorough investigation. justice means a grand jury. justice means getting to the bottom of this. i read the report. the report is very helpful. it still doesn't answer certain questions for me for example, if you legitimately think that this child is such a threat why do you pull up and get out of the car? there's no backup. you jump out quickly to someone holding potentially waving a gun? the behavior didn't seem consistent to me with someone who thought they were in imminent danger yet the sfons was in t

. >> in hindsight, it was predictable the akp would turn out this way following the 2011 elections, but what has happened to my client amount to the end of the rule of law in this country. reporter: he's not alone in this view. polls show half of turks are concerned about the rule of law and marcus he. with rising unemployment and inflation, the economy is also an issue for many. >> people are uncertain. there's a lot of injustice and you sense that all over the place. we don't trust the government anymore. >> those incompetent people who governed the country before are trying to badmouth the government and its success. they are just envious. >> despite the odds, the opposition is optimistic. with the help of a newly formed pro-kurdish party, it hopes to regain a majority of seats in parliament. >> for 12 years, the ruling party of the president has lost no election, but this time, they could lose their absolute majority and may have to rely on a coalition partner according to surveys. for erdogan, that will be a bitter defeat because he wants a presidential system and would then left t

chad gorman is about to go up on a flight but he admits in hindsight he didn't quite do a very thorough preflight check. >> so you either fall into a lull of comfort or you just fall. >> that's pretty much what's going to happen. he gets a running start, gets up in the air, his wing inflates and now he's flying. >> for how long? uh-oh, oh no. >> ouch. >> chad says he had a stuck brake line on one side of pat rah motor so he was basically in a permanent turn. but when he got up in the air it just wanted to turn. he couldn't unstick it. boom could have been avoided with the proper pre-flight check. chad is okay. he walked away from that one. the next guy is adam goodsell. he admits to maybe getting a little too comfortable with his own paramotor flying. >> this doesn't seem like the right day to go paramotoring. >> you lose sight of the earth. >> adam would agree with you now. he thinks he's seeing his way out of the fog. >> oh [ bleep ]. >> oh! >> guys right into the side of the mountain. >> at least he went into the tree and the only tree as opposed to rock rock rock rock rock. the inst

well, you know the famous saying, "hindsight is 20/20, and donald rumsfeld is an asshole." both are true.

francesco: with hindsight getting greece in the euro was wrong. it was just wrong. the main responsibility for that is for greece, that cheated on its numbers. to some extent, we are suffering the long-term consequences of that cheating. stephanie: is it not the ecb's's responsibility to check? francesco: no, surely not. that time, it was the responsibility of euro stocks because euro stuff or deny the power to go and look at the book. they look very deep into the book. in hindsight, it was a mistake. but it was a mistake i would say was entirely greece. matt: will he keep them in the eurozone? a 66% chance if they stay in the euro, now you are saying 50%. has that changed over the weekend? francesco: over the weekend, the climate has improved for a proposal by greece. a relatively favorable welcome by creditors. yes. we are used to the ups and downs. it is a bit better than 50%. matt: the last time i was watching an interview he couple of months ago, you were saying you do not want to think about what would happen if greece leaves the eu and now we have to think ab

see what was going on at the south and it would help the civil rights movement so it was a prism and hindsight of history they would say this is how it is and if you don't like that we are going to shoot you some were. the fact that the police chief would say it's one of the expressions of empires became highly joined with the story because his life in fact was defined by the leadership strike he had spent 25 years in jail and a 29 years so shortly the agricultural strike four years outside surrounded and followed by a platoon of fbi agents to maintain its troop strength to have 25 because its around-the-clock. and on top of that after having spent the first ten years in jail by june of 48 passed the law which made it illegal. if you have a flag in the closet or your home the police can come and come and knock on your door break down your door, find the flag and then you you're subject to ten years in prison. to create an additional layer george orwell wrote in 1948 and it was published in 1949. so right around that time is when it was promulgated and the island of puerto rico was locked down.

>> this is all hindsight right now because we will have to deal with every like it or not. that is the bigger issues to deal with. we are moving into an era to pick a side with the attitude with friends and allies to the have the lack of trust to violate the sanctions with those of violated the sanctions with the p5 + 1 it has been a bigger stake in it only a couple years ago assumed that the deal goes a rash of bad deal they had no deal. why? you do cut deals with your friends we're trying to get nato to up their security so it isn't just dealing with the enemies you do deal with your friends but in this case not only the enemy but the country that has not demonstrated one iota of good behavior. >> if there is no deal what happens? >> i think iran will continue down that path they were on to have that development of nuclear capabilities and eventually a nuclear weapon that people thought we will go to war if he were in israel you might feel very uncertain so we always have to do check with the israelis to see how you feel on a given day because we don't want them to do som

obviously, in hindsight, no. wlafs the reasoning bhiebd it. >> obviously, investigators are continuing to follow it with the investigation now. police are looking for as much information as they can get. here's one of the images of the suspected that has surfaced. if you look at it, those are flag patches. sur visors say the gunman made it clear he was there to kill black men. you heard it from a friend who was there on this broadcast. >> richard, was this alleged gunman was he on the property law center's radar before the shooting took place? did he have any known connections that you're aware of with white supremacy groups or hate group sns. >> we didn't noe him, but we knew many, many many, many many young men liked him. people who are trying to hook onto a cause larger than themselves to explain their failures. other than his age, he's -- fits the profile of the typical loan wolf white supremeist terrorist. >> you say most hate crimes are committed by people with no affiliate to hate groups. >> that's exactly

. >> moderator: talking about the iraq war hindsight, what would you have done differently? . . nhiop roosevelt should have engaged in the year of european part door if we had known there were 6 million jews murdered by the nazi but obviously the power of hindsight is irrelevant but knowing what we know now those decisions based on faulty intelligence was a mistake and that doesn't mean we would have dealt with saddam hussein and in different circumstances and the world is better off without him in power and those losses should have been learned by the current president by departing too early has created a void that has been filled and this week to the ice this army is the log for a terrorist cell that to go for robot either a lot of blood was shed cop to create stability in iraq teeeighteen rabil repeat a question with interesting answer if he were president of united states who is reversed phone call? >> the leadership of congress how to recreate an agenda of most aggressive and republicans that is the only way you do the deal. how to force concessions is zero or have that web

think with the benefit of hindsight, it might have been better to raise rates more rapidly during the 2004-2006 cycle. -- thereertain the fed is a case to be made. you asked about audit the fed in the shelbyville. -- shelby bill. it has a title in it that addresses a number of issues pertaining to the fed. i suppose i would ask, what exactly is the problem? beingce high priority on accountable and transparent. transparencye the of monetary policy decisions in the federal reserve with other central banks, we are one of the most transparent central banks in terms of the information that we provide to the public in a whole variety of ways. to my mind, the fed is accountable and we work well as an institution. i'm not certain what the problem is that needs to be addressed. >> thank you very much. question -- to do with the use of the balance sheet and tightening monetary policy. he suggested the short rate should be hiked some way from the zero lower bound. before the fed continues reinvestment. i wonder if you could get more clarity on how the fed it tends -- intends to approach and angr

so what i found be the case command this was in hindsight looking back to when you publish a controversial book he basically getting a rorschach of the public mind. then you have to study it and interpreted and decide what it means. means. in this case, what i concluded from our consideration in fact they came along and made their argument that many -- the.of view that many liberals philly probably agree with but did not really have -- there were too timid basically to express our faculty meeting. they didn't really wish to take upon themselves the role of doing that. they did not want to be bullied and intimidated and ostracized which is what happens in the 70s. so when he came along and made this argument there was my 1st of all a knee-jerk reaction from the forces of the multicultural movement which created attention to the end of the conservatives. they came to it but also many of those middleground centrist liberals traditionalist liberals who noticed the book because of the controversy around it and you decided to open up and read it command that is where my editor -- my role the edi

but in hindsight, it kind of makes sense that lincoln was targeted by a person from a border state, especially the one that surrounded washington on three sides. that is what maryland was, the place where troop movement at the beginning of the war had been obstructed by marylanders. because of that, abraham lincoln declared martial law first in maryland. and that first impression stayed with a lot of people, including john wilkes booth. it's just the way they thought, the way their minds work. because of martial law, because troops worsened into southern maryland, they were sort of pseudo-occupation troops -- because troops were sent into southern maryland, people started saying that lincoln was somewhat tyrannical. every so often, the name of caesar came up. for a person with a classical education, as booth had, for a person who knew all about julius caesar, as booth did, this had a special resonance. booth had played in the shakespearean drama of "julius caesar." it was one of the last plays he was ever involved in, and he had what he thought was a pretty good working memory and understandin

in hindsight, legitimate questions about whether it was or was not legal. he found a practical balance, bull on aig we are happy about, but as a practical observer, he has done a good job. mark: matt miller told us the breaking news at the top of the hour that the judge said the crisis was legal and effective. could we get your reaction to that? by any measure, you would say the rescue was effective. the courts have spoken. it would be shocking to think that the treasury and the fed do not appeal this. maybe it goes all the way to the supreme court. government has to have some degree of flexibility with respect to failing financial institutions, to be able to act appropriately in time of crisis. usually the courts will support a government that does that. retrospectively debate whether it was as fair to aig's legacy shareholders as it could have been relative to how they treated other financial firms, but ultimately, if you were there in 2008, trying to solve the problem, you cannot go back and renegotiate these things. sympathetic with the position of the

dagen: in hindsight, that is. how did they think they were going to pay them? nicole: they were thinking of market share in drawing people in. and he and more people would be listening to their staff. nicole: taylor swift also making them out. lauren: interfaith album and she admitted that in the letter. dagen: absolutely. let's move onto a big big health-insurance giant turning down a big takeover offer ahead of a key supreme court ruling on obamacare that could come down later this morning. nicole: a lot of these positions trying to make routers happen because regulators may not allow more than one or two deals to happen. and then made a $47.5 billion offer to acquire rival stigma. they rejected the proposal say the terms are inadequate. $184 per share is about 18% premium to cigna's closing price on friday. a deal under the right circumstances would provide substantial benefits to consumers, doctors, investors in both companies. the ruling could strike down federal health insurance subsidies for about 6 million americans and more than 30 states and that coul

and the hindsight people have now again justifies the fact that you ought not to plan on at least keeping too many troops there. i think we should have kept a few thousand troops to help the iraqi government stabilize itself but to have withdrawn everybody i think created a power vacuum and power vacuums attract mischief. >> you pointed to the president in 1997 summing up his time in office in which he said we left office after four years with our heads held high, our environment was cleaner and our future was brighter. do you think historians have recognized that statement? >> i think they're beginning to. sometimes, the early years of a presidency are influenced by either erroneously good or erroneously bad press. i think that historians are now beginning to understand that the budget agreement which was treated so negatively while he was president, actually was the reason we were able to have the surpluses in the early '90s and the mid '90s. he turned a huge deficit situation into splis surpluses for america and in fact stimulated the economy. we had a huge surplus period, his clean ai

in hindsight, truman may have gotten congress to agree to health insurance for all children. that proposal was actually on his desk, but he went for the whole package. kids and adults alike. and he lost. that is what was remembered. what is not remembered is that during truman's time in office the federal government put $75 million into state grants for hospital construction project that included community hospitals, nonprofit hospitals for the chronically ill, rehabilitation centers, and nursing homes. in addition, the federal government funded more research into tuberculosis and into finding cures for cancer. he also approved federal legislation that made grant money available for training mental health workers and for clinical psychiatric research. earlier, i mentioned the indian adoption project. remember back with the what do all these things have in common? the indian adoption project was initiated by the bureau of indian affairs in 1958. it was intended to "stimulate adoption of indian children who were in the care of state agencies." the project was not too successful

. >> hindsight is 20/20. he has seen things in the last year to two years that opened up his eyes. he's very proud individual. he thinks that he has information that will be helpful. >> reporter: palmer knew both inmates for several years and send paintings and drawings that matt made for him. investigators questioned palmer for 14 hours on saturday. >> gene was truthful and forth coming. he wants these two individuals to be caught and anything he can do to help law enforcement do teir job he is willing to cooperate. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, dannemora, new york. >>> we turn to south carolina where leading politicians say it's time for the confederate flag to go in the wake of the mass car at a historic black church. the admitted killer says he shot the church goers to start a race war. >> nikki haley as started a debate to remove the confederate flag from the grounds. >> reporter: with the debate flairing, nikki haley looked to ease tensions. >> we are here without ill will to say it's time to remove the flag from the capital grounds. >> reporter: flanked by democrats and r

. >> which would not have been the right thing to do to delete my family in hindsight, yes. >> reporter: but it beats murder. and our interview finally ended. and as he was being led away, larry conceded to his guard that we weren't buying his story. >> no, they think that i'm a lying scumbag. and i was. >> reporter: while larry admitted to being a liar, he never admitted to the bombing attempts and even connie didn't believe her husband of 25 years would try to kill her. not until larry called her shortly after he was arrested while connie was still in the hospital. >> he said, i want you to know i've been having an affair, before it gets out. and he said, since the accident i've been dedicated to you. and then he said, i didn't do it. and when he said he was dedicated to me, it's like a light bulb went off like he's lying. you know? and i knew, you know what? he did it. >> reporter: just from that, just from that one phrase, that he was dedicated to you? >> right. weird. because i knew he wasn't. it's like my mind was opened at that time. like whoa. it's you. >> reporter: 19 months la

we see that clearly with the benefit of hindsight. >> have you requested any specific legislation or changes at this point or is the central office still we should build a workaround. should we have built a workaround? yes, we should have. we see that clearly with the benefit of hindsight. >> have you requested specific legislation or changes at this point? as i stated in my opening statement, we got very limited questions and statements saying we would like to get more, we would like to reform the choice program, but i haven't seen any request from va yet. >> we will -- we have done briefings with staff, we will deliver a very promptly written request asking were flexibility and utilization of choice funds to pay for care in the community for veterans. >> if we go down this path, and it isn't a path that i want to go down, it may be the only solution to a problem coming for a considerable amount of time. reforms have got to be made. they have to be specific and we want to work with you through the process. >> thank you and we appreciate that. >> thank you. i am going to ask a questi

and i'm beginning to think with hindsight his plan should have been called the shifty plan because i think he gets a hefty severance package. >> bob let me tell you something, you just said everything i would have said except you were a little less diplomatic. i have to tell you that when i saw that i said why don't we just snuff the fire out. and you got it. and that's why i've turned sour on alcatel lucent. after a nice little bump i'm sorry, but you know what sometimes -- hey you just get had. can we go to bill in california? >> hi jim, thanks for taking my call. first of all i want to thank you for your contribution to universal investment literacy and i know i'm not alone in that. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. you deserve it. i'm a long-term holder of energy transfer partners limited partner units by way of heritage propane partners from the mid '90s, the i know you know the history of that my questions relate to the transaction that's proposed between energy transfer equity and williams and ultimately how that impacts energy transfer partners. >> i have to tell you, i think

. >> no and what's difficult when you're looking at police conduct, we're looking at it in hindsight. we've got to look at it in foresight. what facts and circumstances were present to that officer at the time that made him believe he had to use that level of force? >> i've got to turn to the james holmes aurora colorado, the shooter in the movie theater. three jurors were dismissed because they talked about the news rebecca. >> i know. >> as if this were some sort of medieval court. what's going on? >> to put it in perspective, he didn't declare mistrial the judge. >> dismissed them. >> he dismissed only three but retained the rest of the jurors and he had backup jurors. what the concern is is that when people watch the news they are influenced by things that may not be legal or factual or evidence in the case. so there's a very -- >> they're smart enough to decide a person's fate but they're too stupid to read a newspaper, to listen to a radio or watch television? >> no throughout the course of a trial usually, and we see this a lot with judges they want to maintain that the informa