bernie says he can win it. do you think bernie sanders can win the nomination? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results later in the show. for more let me bring in john nichols who introduced fwernbernie sanders last night. larry cohen who is endorsing and supporting and working for as a volunteer for bernie sanders. good to have you with us tonight. this crowd last night that i saw in madison, they are flat out bernie believers. i mean what he is selling they are buying. they are enthusiastic. he was on message for what these folks want there is no doubt that he has struck a nerve. john nichols, what does this mean? what is this crowd, these crowds around the country mean? what's happening here? i think it's a big deal this early in a presidential race where a candidate is attracting 10,000 people in madison, but also 5,000 out in denver something relatively close to that in minneapolis. and even in small towns in iowa attracting more people than live in the town that's a big deal indication of enthusiasm. i think it's pent up dem

bernie mania is clearly taking off. just look at the reception he received in phoenix, arizona on saturday. 11,000 people showed up the largest yet for sanders. a day later in dallas he drew 8,000 people and 5,000 in houston, those are incredible numbers for a self proclaimed socialist in two very red states. sanders is mixing a blunt campaign style with very be qualified rhetoric. >> the wealthiest country in the world, nobody knows it because all of the wealth rests in the hands of the few . >> having been victimized before by an upstart campaign should hillary clinton be worried now? jason johnson is the author of political consultants and campaigns, one day to sell. he joins us from atlanta. jason, hillary clinton has some problems, right? >> david, hillary's got lots of problems. she's got lots of problems. there are trust issues, there are e-mail issues. there are communication issues, there are spontaneity issues. hillary clinton has 99 problems but bernie sanders unfortunately for him is not one of them. >> 60%

it is too early to tell if she will campaign for bernie sanders and she said bernie's out talking about the issues the american people want to hear about. these people who care about these issues and that's who bernie's reaching. i love what bernie is talking about. i think all of the presidential candidates should be out talking about the big issues. we're joined now by tom hartman, the host of "the big picture" on r.t. television and host of the tom hartman program a political radio talk show. back with us david axelrod, david corn and kasie hunt. tom hartman, do you see it as bernie sanders has earned the elizabeth warren endorsement? >> lawrence it is great to see you. i think not only has he earned the endorse ment but he is actually the best guy for the job, the best person for the job of president of the united states. bernie has a depth and a gravitas to him that i think most people are unaware of. although i think they are catching it. you are seeing huge crowds all the enthusiasm. you see he has taken over the facebook sphere and twitter sphere and what not. and because he is

there is something almost bill the cat level surreal, ack, about seeing donald trump taunting bernie sanders. over his crowd size. but actually, truth be told, bernie's is bigger. >> the size of his crowds matters to donald trump. >> we have about 10,000 people. >> the republican presidential candidate bragged in las vegas about what awaited him at his next stop in phoenix. >> this crowd today blows anything that bernie sanders has had. that i can tell you. >> democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders was welcomed by 10,000 people in wisconsin. trump topped him with this

senator bernie sanders. a new marist poll shows sanders is the only candidate with a positive favorabilityleility rating in new hampshire. s a only candidate with a positive favorable raiding in iowa. hit clint has a necessary favorability rating of negative 19. donald trump negative 28. meanwhile some politicians and inside the beltway media folk they just don't have faith in bernie sanders. we've been hearing it for months. >> this is why bernie sanders will not be the democratic nominee. he is consigned to have a lot of difficulty because he has so little support among african americans and hispanics. >> the broader point bernie will also not become president like donald trump will not become president. he does strike a cord. >> passionate followers can never win the nomination. >> i think bernie is too liberal to gather enough votes in this country to become president and i think hillary clinton is going to be a fantastic president. >> he is not remotely electable. and i guess the question is do the demo

you have bernie, a good trend, we have good discussions. here is a socialist telling you wills what to do. on our side we have someone who is bombastic saying "i'm the greatest, we can do that." i fear that. this is how people get dangerous leaders in a country when things are bad. you want someone that i have the answers. it's a sentiment that annoys libertarians, the opposite of libertarians. we argue for the case of personal liberty, and people saw the appearance, not someone on a white hours saying i have the answers, do as i say, i have done this. that doesn't appeal to a lot of libertarians. >> you have been through the presidential process, i think you have been 12 times elected to congress. do you think the system of choosing a presidential candidate is broken, it's a dog and pony show? >> i think it's been that way for a long time. there's no - there's no debate. if you look at economic policy or foreign policy, and - on civil liberties, both parties are the same. the rhetoric is different. it's been broken. i think we are engaged

. >> up next why do bernie sanders and be be donald trump have in common? be the issue has their opponents scared and we'll tell you what it is when we come back. are. >> we've talked a lot on the show about no-shot political candidates, the candidates that seem to have zero chance of becoming president but still enter the race. pundits and commentators were willing to add bernie sanders and donald trump to the list. but the trump and sanders campaign appear to be gaining traction and their surge continues. the other night bernie sanders drew 7500 supporters for a rally in portland, main and before, a group of 10,000 showed up in madison, wisconsin. the theme seem to be resonating. >> the american people understand that establishment politics and establishment economics is not working for middle class. they understand that the greed of wall street and the greed of corporate america is destroying the great middle class of this country. >> as for trump, he's drawing more controversy than crowds. trump's acerbic antiimmigration stance has caused him imormts an

that gets to bernie sanders enthusiasm. he genuinely came out so hard and said she should have more. but peter pointed out this still is not done. once we get to the substance of this matter she'll have to comment on this again. and that will put her against me. >> here's another issue that has percolated and that's immigration this time because of the wonderful -- or whatever you would describe it infrut donald trump. he, of course, would famously announce and part of his announcement he discussed how mexicans were rapists. this is what he said when he was asked this week about it. donald: people coming into our country, we have no idea and they're have all over the world. we have no idea who they are. we have to have strong borders. if we don't have strong borders you don't have a country anymore. gwen: he's not backing away and it's making it very difficult for some republicans who have been trying to tread a path. >> no question. i was watching all weekday by day by day we've seen different republicans saying we don't n

and clinton was asked about bernie's recent progress in the state. >> senator bernie sanders had been doing big events and wondering how you are feeling about the growing momentum he's seeing here and what you are going to be doing in iowa about that. >> well i'm doing exactly what i want to do in iowa. we've been in the campaign a little less than three months. it will be three months on sunday. and i am having the opportunity to meet and listen to iowaens across the state and find out what is on their minds, find out what they are worried about, what they are hoping for. and that is i think the strongest base on which to build a good campaign heading towards the caucuses. i also think, look you know, this is going to be competitive. it should be competitive. it is only the presidency of the united states we're talking about. so, you know, the more the better. >> it may also be competitive for sanders and clinton together in new hampshire. a recent cnn poll has clinton up by only 8 point there is in the gran it state. and all recent polls suggest voters are shying away from any kind

bernie sanders is drawing crowds like nobody else. and donald trump is spiking to the top of the polls. what are the forces driving voters to give these two very different guys a l

bernie is basically done economic justice for 40 years. this year is the biggest issue on both sides. when you have rick perry talking about economic justice who never met a corporation he didn't like you know the republican pollsters are saying the same thing. we have a long way to go. hillary clinton is up by 20 points in iowa. if she is up 20 points in iowa next january, that's going to be pretty good. look, i actually think it is great bernie is in the race. this is a message that needs to be heard. hillary is hitting on the message, too and her supporters know. >> it the governor bridges up a great point. this is a very animated democratic base and this is what they need. they are facing hiss tore ic odds after two terms of a democratic president. this is a challenge. having a base as animated as it is now, if they can sustain that over the next year and a half that is a good thing for the party. how does this translate in to votes for the sanders campaign? they have a lot of grassroots momentum? how do you harness that and get the vo

bernie sanders -- wall street. bernie sanders rallies against wall street. when we talk about it's too expensive to take care of veterans but we can bail out wall street to the tune of 16 trillion. that is infuriating. when it comms to standing up for the american people across the nation, bernie sanders has the record. >> you know what some democrats and observers say he can't win. what do you say? >> i say to the critics, they are flat-out wrongs. bernie sanders is on fire right now. he will continue to be on fire until he wins the democratic nomination. he's the only candidate drawing crowds of 10,000 plus. as everyone nose yesterday -- knows yesterday there were house parties across the nationful over 100,000 gathered together to mobile illize against one special candidate. to the pundits and critics, i say we haven't had a single debate. >> what is hillary clinton is the nominee, could you vote for hillary clinton? >> that is something that i don't want to the consider right now. right now my full-support is backhand "borderland". i -- band "borderland"

bernie sanders for president. she wrote bernie appeared in the most unexpected of places and it made my day. bernie sanders, the independent socialist from vermont making his mark in deadhorse at the end of the dalton highway in the northern most reaches of oil town red state alaska. send it to rachel.com, the website if you want to send us stuff. >>> people first started realizing that something special, something unexpect was going on with the bernie sanders campaign when he turned out unusually large crowds in liberal strong holds like madison, wisconsin. this is a madison rally. turned out 11,000 people. in denver, colorado, he turned out between 5,000 and 6,000 people. they had to do an overflow room. in portland, maine, 8,000 people. they had to move the venue from a nice little waterfront spot to the hockey arena in town. when sanders announced his presidential run in burlington, vermont, there were 5,000 people there. that's a lot of people anywhere. no other candidate, democrat or republican turned out a

the one standing up strong is bernie sanders. this is an issue where bernie and i are in complete agreement. we need to end the corporate welfare. far too much democrats and republicans are supporting hundreds of billions of dollars of loan guarantees to giant corporations at the expense of the taxpayers. i think people are fed up with that. they want someone who will stand with the working man and woman, against the bipart ann corruption of washington. >> is that a strategy on the right to build up bernie sanders? >> i've said for a long time, i like and almost bernie sanders. >> you're building him up. you took an opportunity. what is the strategy to build up bernie sanders from the right wing perspective? >> chris, chris, i respect honesty in politics. bernie admits he's a socialist. >> he is a socialist. you admit you are a tea party guy. it is a fact. that's not an admission. >> the difference is i think there are an awful lot of democrats in the united states senate whose policies are every bit as liberal or socialist but t

as we go live to another massive rally for bernie sanders. does hillary clinton have an actual electoral challenge on her hands? plus, the republican problem with more great polling news for donald trump. >> the illegals are pouring into the country. it's far worse than anybody knows. >> general joy reid reporting live from the scene of the south carolina church fire. and as the resistance to marriage equality continues in pockets around the nation, my interview with the kentucky county clerk who would rather to go jail than issue same-sex marriage licenses. >> i think they have the right to choose however they choose. but i do too. i have the same right. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. at this very hour we are anticipating what is likely to be the single largest noncompulsory campaign event of the 2016 presidential election. i am speaking, of course, of vermont senator bernie sanders appearing as you see in a packed stadium arena in madison, wisconsin. sanders, of course, coming fresh off of a massi

or is bernie sanders emerging as a serious, credible threat? >> i don't know if he's emerging as the type of serious threat that could keep her from winning the democratic nomination. but he is emerging as a threat in the sense that he is someone who is going to have enough money to play for a long time. he is speaking to a part of the democratic party that the clinton campaign has known for a long time could be a problem for her. and i think the bigger question is, does what we're seeing with bernie sanders, the enthusiasm, the money, the crowds, does that draw someone else in? a joe biden perhaps. does it show that there is space in the democratic party for someone to run a serious challenge against hillary. >> it's a great question. is it just that he's doing everything right? his timing was great. he had some people who had sort of hovered waiting to see if elizabeth warren would run. she didn't. he stepped in and took that spot on the left and blew martin o'malley away and took that group. is it because bernie sanders is doing everything r

he's also interviewed bernie sanders many times. welcome to you both. pat, when you see trump and what he does -- i know you've had-h your own encounters in the past. similar to what you rode in '92? >> there are similarities. trump's from the republican base he's exposing that and hitting two of the strong populous histories. one is overlap with bernie sanders that's the trade issue, export of american jobs and factories and what's happening to the american middle class. the other one trump is hitting which is one of the hottest issues in the whole west as well as the united states, is the massive invasion, if you will and what people feel is the conquest of the west by massive third world immigration from refugees and border jumpers and all the rest. he's wired into both of these and they're enormously popular issues. >> john, even when you talk about immigration immigration is tied to economics. both appealing to the same working class voters who feel left behind, is that fair? >> i don't think so. >> okay. >> i think our politics has really divided

look bernie sanders has a ceiling. he's not going to be the democratic nominee, not going to be ultimately a national candidate. but the thing that people are responding to is that he is crystal clear about where he stands. he's been in the same place his whole career and that authenticity is a very rare commodity in politics. if you want to compare him to donald trump, there's nothing comparable in donald trump in terms of that sort of genuine authenticity. >> it's a big contrast with hillary clinton who is perceived -- >> absolutely right. >> i heard the argument made -- you talk about all the strengths hillary clinton has, the biggest front-runner either party has ever seen. that is actually a contrast. if there's one candidate who that contrast works for, it's bernie sanders because she represents so much of the entrenched power, the political class. it helps define him more to run against that. you talk about the generational difference on attitudes towards socialism, how much of that has to do with the older joe

>> bernie sanders has been a good democrat. caucuses with the democrats. >> she speak in prime time? with everybody watching? >> bernie sanders represents, we are a big time -- >> so the answer is yes. >> i said yes. i can say yes again. >> in prime time. >> i don't know what time he should speak. >> maybe when nobody is watching, you mean. >> no. of course he should speak. he should speak in a slot where the appeal that he has across the board, the progressive, pop list message that he has that resonates deeply and widely with the american people, not just democrats, absolutely that should be featured. the difference between us and the republicans, we are really a big party. >>> whatever is the difference between a democrat and a socialist? i used to think there is a big difference. what do you think it is? >> the difference between -- >> a democrat like hillary and a socialist between bernie sanders. what's the big difference between a democrat and a socialist? you're chairman of the democratic party. tell me the difference.

bernie is an outlier in that sense. he's a birkenstock liberal who just simply is attracting those people and give being them sort of a day in the sun. >> so how is he affecting hillary clinton's campaign so far, james? i would argue that his doing well in the polls has coaxed her, finally, to do her first interview this week. get out there, you can't stay behind you know a rope line forever. and that one of the effects. what else -- how else is he affected? >> so far he's pressuring her to the left. i think we're going to find out monday just how much that pressure has impacted when she rolls out her economic plan in a speech. now, she said this week on cnn, she wants economic growth to be faster and fairer. now, we like the faster part. i think compared to the obama era where it's all about pumping up financial assets and stagnant wage growth for the people at the bottom a lot of people might like the fairer part too. but it depends on the details. whether bernie is going to be forcing her to the left or perhaps the c

bernie might win. so maybe transactionally, what's going on in the campaign trail doesn't mean anything in terms of big scale electoral politics yet. but it means something in terms of the popularity of liberal ideas and ten thuz yachl for an unapologetically out loud liberal message. so maybe the beltway won't talk about it, but if you are a liberal, this feels good, right? and if you know some liberals, this is why they've been in a good mood. and if you know some liberals or if you are a liberal, this also, today, felt good. president obama today did something that is entirely within his power to do, without congress, just the executive branch. the core of what bernie sanders is traveling around the country, firing people up about, by the thousands, and honestly, right now, it is the core of hillary clinton's message on the campaign trail as well, and it is the core of martin o'malley's message. it is occasional even lincoln chafee's message when you hear it. the driving animated concern among popul

bernie sanders had $8 million. there's people and there is excitement and then campaign infrastructure and ability to turn out votes. how do you transfer that? hillary clinton has a infrastructure and team that can transfer that. can he turn that into people that will vote? >> sam stein, if you were part of hillary clinton's team, what are you looking at here? what are you tapping from it? how do you not when 10,000 people show up to listen to what he has to say and if you look at that crowd, it looks like a really good hardy people who really want something to change in this country. >> i had more faith in sharpton 2004 than al sharpton had. i thought he was going to win that one. >> you are a fine young man. >> i still have the campaign signs in my office. don't worry. there is a huge swath of democratic voters who over the past eight years have been generally supportive of what president obama has done but feel he has essentially given way too much i had logically to the republicans in hopes for legislative comp

some comments from her on bernie sanders and more. but first when we come back chris coons of delaware weighs in on the latest iran nuclear talks and so much more after this word from our sponsors. ♪ mark: our guest hails from the first state. chris coons, delaware senator. the iran nuclear negotiations continue. they extended a little bit. not unexpected. you have said you walk away from a bad deal. you only want a good deal. based on the issues that are being discussed now in terms of instructions sanctions, what are things that you think the tip it into some that would be a bad deal you? isenator coons: a bad deal is we would not get access to sites. a bad deal would be one where we did not have clarity about a path way toward accountability for iran's past or for military dimension of their illicit nuclear weapons program where the iaea did not have a commitment to interview scientists and inspect sites where we believe there was previous nuclear weapons derailment work. a bad deal would be one where we had no further clarity ab

and that plays well to bernie sanders. number one because he's already been talking about it for many months, many years even. and number two, he's authentic about it. when he talks about it people feel it really resonates with him. you talk to hillary clinton's critics and they say they feel she can't relate to them for many of the reasons that people had critiques of mitt romney. she has charged huge numbers for speeches. she no longer can relate to the middle class. that's what this critique is. they can't say the same thing about bernie sanders. >> shira center and tara dowdell, thank you for your time tonight. >>> still ahead, details of why president obama decided to sing "amazing grace" and what the first lady said about it. s are you still getting heartburn flare-ups? time for a new routine. try nexium® 24hr. the latest choice for frequent heartburn. get complete protection. nexium level protection. ♪ amazing grace ♪ how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me ♪ >> president obama singing "amazing grace"

bernie sanders is drawing crowds like nobody else. and donald trump is spiking to the top of the polls. what are the forces driving voters to give these two very different guys a look and perhaps even a vote? election season has begun, certainly and that's for sure. people are looking for someone left or right to show some guts. robert costas, the front page political reporter on the "washington post." joan walsh is editor at large with salon. our new program shows bernie sanders is gaining momentum. according to the poll, hillary clinton still leads 52% to 33%. but since may, clinton has lost 8 points while sanders has picked up 18 points. yesterday, a convincing crowd of 10,000 people packed the vets memorial coliseum in wisconsin where sanders played the part of progressive pop star. >> what this campaign is about is creating a political revolution in america. the greed of corporate america and the billionaire class has got to end. and we are going to end it for them. this is not democracy. this is oligarchy and we've got to end it

that man was bernie sanders. as of now he's posing a greater threat to hillary clinton than any other candidate in the democratic field for president. but while every detail of clinton's life and career has been put under the microscope and scrutinized, few know much more about sanders beyond his fiery rhetoric which has been lighting up crowds on the campaign trail. >> the big money interests, wall street corporate america, all of these guys have so much power that no president can defeat them unless there is an organized, grassroots movement making them an offer they can't refuse. >> now we're learning a little bit more about the man who's captivating the party's attention. "bernie sanders has a secret." our roundtable guest michael cruz digs into his past seeking details that have been scarce despite his 40-year career. david corn of "mother jones," sabrina siddiqui and michael cruz. you wrote this great piece. bernie sanders has a secret. what's the secret you found out about? >> so when i flew to burlington

of bernie? you guys all love bernie. >> aren't you doing a buildup of donald trump? >> there we go. he's legitimate isn't he? here we go. >> you're so cooperative. thank you, david cornish, when we return let me finish on the slur by the president by one marco rubio. you are watching "hardball," a place for politics. alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on t . >>> let me finish with this slur on the president by marco rubio. i think ritz there in the conversation this familiar disdain for barak obama. no matter what's going, it's considered good politics to dump on him. not just the president but the man. to win the favor of the nastiest person in the world say something nasty about the president of the united states and this is what debatesnd politics is right here. it's regular casual in the basement. don't just disagree with him or her or put down their arguments or policies or achievements, no you want to truly score, you do in there for the sk

yes, bernie sanders is a roll. he took to the stage at veteran's memorial where a crowd of 10,000 supporters chanted his name. i believe we have a clip. sanders claimed that the crowd of 10,000 was the most of any this year and he is catching up to hillary clinton. a poll shows that her lead is not as comfortable as in may. that is 700% closer. progressives are excited for a political revolution. he is doing the income inequality thing. he wants to take down the bank. is there successful? >> they are looking back for progressives. they are going back to 1968. can and clearly, sanders wants to be the eugene mccarthy of the race. take on the titan and pull up the up is set with the support of the left wing who wants something different. can he get over the hump? that will remain to be seen. he is proving now that the talk of the democrat i can party not necessarily being content with hillary clinton has a lot justification. >> you love a eugene mccarthy reference, don't you? >> of course, that guy. >> is it politics?

bernie sanders with a thick brooklyn accent. rising more than the clinton campaign had handy anticipated. >> by all surprise. >> in case you didn't notice, this is a big turnout. >> and vermont senator bernie sanders is now generating huge crowds at nearly every event. last week at a rally in madison wisconsin, sanders attracted 10,000. >> the american people understand that establishment politics and establishment economics is not working for the middle class. >> the populace message is not only producing intrigue, it seems to be producing a sanders surge against hillary clinton. in early may poms suggested polls suggested 60% backed clinton and sanders was supported by 15.%. now he's up to 33. clinton's biggest wounds have been self-inflicted. >> as i said, i saw it as a matter of convenience. >> she faces continued questions about her reliance on a personal e-mail account as she served as secretary of state. and she has been dogged by revelations that groups and individuals who gave huge speaking fees to her husband received

you saw bernie doesn't want to less known thesomething they do share. they are starting more conventional rivals by surging in the polls thanks to two american political movement, populism. >> you got it. >> on the right -- to be talked about, which is something that most politicians just dance around. >> i think he would stop the in america. >> trump and sanders supporters are disenchanthey s see as a broken system. fed up with washington dysfunction. economic anxie similarities end. sanders supporters are likely to be white, liberal and have a coll comes from voters earning more than $50,000 a year. trump supporters are also more likely to be white, but without a college degree. he performs somewhat better among self-described moderates. >> we have a tremendous danger on the border with illegals coming in. >> and trump is taking advantage of a powerful wedge issue in the republican primary -- immigration. >> we're tired of the dishonesty and people that can't do anything. >> he's not politically correct. >> you can't buy it, okay? he has some ideas pe