congressman jason chaffetz. presidential candidate rick perry spoke to me earlier about the iran nuclear talks. here's what he said. >> they are exporting terrorism and until we know with clearing definition that that's not going to occur i think we're wasting our time. this is an issue that the president just want as deal. he doesn't care whether it's a bad deal or not. we're seeing time after time pushing back deadlines. again, russia wants them to buy their weaponry. that's what's at the center of this conversation right now. >> more with my conversation with governor perry on the iran talks coming. then the former texas governor also sounding off on immigration reform. he of course ran the state with the longest boarder with mexico. what's his plan. hear from governor perry next. back in a moment. i try hard to get a great shape. this... i can do easily. new benefiber healthy shape helps curb cravings. it's a clear, taste-free daily supplement that's clinically proven to help keep me fuller longer. new benef

oversight committee jason chaffetz join us. good evening. >> thanks for having me. >> do you think fire the irs commissioner. >> yes. you cannot come to congress and give false statements and keep your job. congress has the responsibility to get after it and hold him accountable. that includes a have a right of different remedies. but he lied to congress. >> how did he lie. >> he had the documents in his possession. he said that he has done everything that he could to get after them, but they destroyed them. imagine if you had done that to the irs but they had mover than 20,000 lois lerner emails in their possession. they destroyed them after a subpoena was in their place. >> how many sources for recovering the irs -- emails from lois lerner and there were six different sources. hard drive blackberry, backup tapes. server drives. backup tapes of the servers. and lerner laptops. they didn't search any of them. >> the inspector general came in and found of the six sources where they can find the lois lerner emails and they didn't

bill: will the president make a move, listen to jason chaffetz on this? >> no. the president has got a narrative, bill. here is his narrative. he will keep saying nothing happened inappropriate. the law was confusing. only been on the books for about 45 years. and the irs was understaffed. let me say one thing i hope we don't see. don't increase the budget of the irs to engage in mortar getting. this is absurd. this was not question of resources this was political pay back to people that the white house was concerned with basically getting grass roots support going in different direction than the president wanted to see his policies go. bill: comments with greta, appears congressman chaffetz has the next move. we'll reach out to him to see what that move will be. >> great. bill: jay sekulow. with us a today. >>, thank you, bill. martha: some scholars are saying saying that history books are being rewritten to promote a political agenda. stick around. bill: five marines gunned down in chattanooga, tennessee. what may be a terror attack. reports that they may not

jason chaffetz is leading in the the push for her to step down. martha: the big apple is breaking out the confetti giving our women's soccer team a huge parade. why, you ask is the u.s. still in vienna austria talking. martha: three sisters lost for days and days on a hike in the wilderness were just found alive. the emotional reunion with their family. >> all your kids at once ... so i could get a faulty light switch fixed? yup! or make a backyard pizza oven? oh yeah. i can almost taste it now. tastes like victory. and pepperoni... martha: a happy ending for three sisters missing on a hike this weekend. they were found in the national forest south of yellowstone. a helicopter spotted them and basically they think they went off the trail and got lost. couldn't find their way back on to the trail. the family is obviously very thankful. >> as you can imagine my wife and i are very relieved and thankful they are safe. i couldn't be more proud of the local sheriff's department and the search and rescue people that were overwhelming us with help and su

chaffetz to deal with fraud and the bill from john carter dealing with his catch and release but they were aware of last summer when they had attention focused on the border and we are focused on what is going on. whether it is a sanctuary city or not, there is not enough being done to pick these people up. and this will also be part of it tomorrow, we will also focus on the fact that this president wants to give legal status of 5 million people under the concept of prosecutorial discretion. he is losing them in the court and i hope he continues to do so. lou: we look forward to the hearing tomorrow, the chairman of the house judiciary committee, always good to have you here we thank you. >> thank you. >> from wall street today something of a rally on the greek bailout. the dow jones surging 217-point committee s&p is up three. the nasdaq up 74 points. how does heavy trading were? 's not as heavy as you would've expected. listen to my reports three times a day coast-to-coast on the salem radio network and minions come in the of the animated comedy pulling in 115 million the second-big

congressman jason chaffetz is chairman of the house over the h sight and government reform committee. working on this for some time. welcome to you. >> good morning. bill: this judge -- martha: this judge got very frustrated frustrated with in the courtroom told the lawyer said don't come back in here without the documents or we'll hold you in contempt and take action against koskinen. >> we're finding same thing in house of representatives. on monday we held a press conference and said we the house of representatives might hold mr. koskinen in contempt as well. a judicial branch, judge threatening the same thing as the house of representatives. we're having the same experience. martha: these missing emails may go to some evidence that would show that lois lerner had knowledge, more knowledge than she has already confessed to about a program that was trying to squash political involvement by any tea party entities who might want to get tax-exempt status from the irs. those people waited and waited and waited for that. some were threatened in other ways. now they said the emails were g

let's bring in republican congressman for utah jason chaffetz cho chairs the house oversight committee, thank you for being here. i know you call for her to be fired when director archuleta appeared before your committee, you want 32 million people had had their information stolen. the information we have now is about 22 million. is opm still not disclosing everything? >> director archuleta testified in february they had the records for 32 million people. if the number is only 22 million, count our blessings, but that's still an unbelievable amount of people who are affected. >> do you think what she said in front of your committee constitutes lying? >> i don't think she was competent to hold that job. she was shallow at best in how this works and i don't think she was full and complete in answering how pervasive this problem might have been but, look the president did the right thing. he obviously made a change there, but she should have never been in that position to start with. >> had you heard of anyone trying to use this information? because the hack took place last year right? so

utah congressman jason chaffetz chaired this 2 1/2 hour long hearing.utah congressman jason chaffetz chaired this 2 1/2 hour long hearing. >>> without objection the chair is authorized to declare a recess at any time. today's hearing is about the irs and the targeting that has happened there. we have had updates from the inspector general's office and we're here for another such update. we appreciate mr. george, mr. camu suchlt for being here with us. as we start this hearing i would like to walk through why we're here at this particular time. it was -- there was targeting of people who were trying to exercise their first amendment rights. this is done because of their political beliefs. dave camp of the ways and means committee did exceptional work unearthing this work. talking to them, the irs commissioner, mr. schulman about this. he had assured the committee and assured the congress, which when you talk to congress, you're talking to the american people, that none of this targeting had ever occurred. that's when the inspector general's office started to get involved and they star

jason chaffetz calls for the firing of irs chief john koskinen, saying the hid of the tax agency lied to congress and obstructed its investigation into the irs targeting of conservative groups. kristin is live in washington with more on this. >> reporter: jenna this is basically about all the missing emails from lois lerner the former irs official at center of allegations that the irs targeted tea party groups applying for non-profit status. what congressman chaffetz is saying the current head of the irs failed to preserve and produce missing emails even after a subpoena had been issued. accusing him of making false statements to congress and repeatedly obstructing federal investigations. serious charges. that's why chaffetz asked yesterday for president obama to fire him. >> you can't come to congress give false statements and keep your job. congress has duty and responsibility to get after him and hold him accountable. that may include a variety of different remedies but he lied to congress. >> reporter: irs said the chief has done nothing wrong and has been cooperative and truthful

here is what jason chaffetz had to say. >> it is potentially a violation of the law. it certainly is of the spirit of what they're supposed to be doing because you're not just supposed to willy-nilly share taxpayer information on a fishing trip out specific allegations. normally you would have to issue a subpoena to get this type of information but lois lerner had a political agenda. >> so, need ad, she had a political agenda, she was goings after as we've said. chaffetz running committee on oversight and government reform which is investigating the irs, right? got to tell you, the big question now, will there be a special prosecutor? is that the next step that is needed here? we're going to have to wait and see. cheryl? >> gerri willis up in the newsroom. david: for so long the justice department was saying we had nothing to do with it. this is all in the irs court. we're seeing some overlap between the irs and justice department. that does it for us. a lot of breaking news late into the night over in europe but still happening. deirdre bolton here through the next h

republican jason chaffetz chairs this three and a half hour hearing. >> committee on oversight and government reform will come to order. i appreciate you being here as we have a hearing today regarding the construction costs and delays of the united states embassy in kabul, afghanistan. the chair is authorized to declare a recess at any time. i appreciate you being here. this is an important topic. we have so many americans who have given their lives in afghanistan, who have sacrificed away from their families to serve the united states of america and our interests there. we have a duty and a obligation to make sure that they are well housed, that they are safe, that they are secure, that they're able to do their jobs and their duty. and yet after more than a decade of fighting and great work by our united states military, we are deeply concerned about what the state department is doing or hasn't done in kabul to make sure that our embassy facility there is in proper order. the state department has invested or plans to invest more than $2.17 billion in facilities. it probably makes it the sin

. >> but harsh words from the chairman of the house government oversight committee jason chaffetz who led the call for arculeta's resignation. >> her knowledge of the facts is shallow and she has no vision and capability to actually solve the problem moving forward. >> chaffetz saying opm needs, quote, a confident, technically savvy leader. >> this is a 1960s system. it's an operating system with no encryption no dual authentication. in this day and age, come on that's totally inexcusable. >> opm's deputy director will temporarily take over for arculeta saturday while the administration searches for a permanent replacement. catherine herridge fox news. >> now we want to hear from you. what more should the u.s. government be doing to protect your personal data from hackers? and for that matter protect the united states from cyber attacks? you can send us your tweets at elizabeth prann, have some great thoughts already come in and we're going to read some of the thoughts we've already heard and your thoughts if you tweet us coming up later in the show. >>> greek and eurozone negotiators

i thought, wow, i didn't even think you could do this, is this legal, so i spoke to jason chaffetz, the chairman of the committee of oversight and government reform. here's what he had to say. >> it is potentially a violation of the law. it certainly is of the spirit of what we're supposed to be doing, because you're not supposed to willy-nilly be able to share taxpayer information on a fishing trip without specific allegations. normally, you'd have to issue a subpoena to get this information, but lois lerner had a political agenda. >> so i talked to him more about this and said, look, how is anybody going to get a fair trial or a fair hearing, or are we going to have an investigation that makes sense unless we have a special prosecutor of some sort come in? look, the department of justice is in the can for this, the fbi is in the can. they're inside this group of people who want to hush conservative groups. and he said, look, i'm not going to lead that charge, but if somebody else brings us -- brings it up, i'll get behind it. neil: that would be darrell issa. but i do want to take you

. >> so i asked jason chaffetz who heads the committee on oversight and government reform. he's what he said -- here's what he said. >> it is, potentially a violation of the law. it certainly is of the spirit of what you're supposed to be doing because you're not supposed to willy-nilly be able to share taxpayer information on a fishing trip without specific allegations. no rlly, you would have to issue a subpoena, but lois lerner had a political agenda. >> i thought this stuff was sacrosanct. the irs isn't supposed to take your tax filing or cheryl's or anybody else's and give it to somebody else without their approval without any notification. it's astonishing really, what's going on here. charles charles and also the idea that the irs actually put together a posse. >> right. charles: they said, listen, boys, we're gong after 'em come on! i've got all the information. >> i think this ties it back to the white house, there's only one branch that can coordinate between these bureaucracies. might not have been obama, i think it personally was -- charles: even if somebody was

the chairman of the house oversight, jason chaffetz is with me this morning. then immigration, the hot topic issue taking over the 2016 campaign trail. also rick perry, here how he plans to secure the borders. then the