rick perry: thank you. it's time. it's time. it's time to create real jobs to raise wages, to create opportunity for all, to give every citizen a stake in this country. to restore hope, real hope. real hope to forgotten americans. there are millions of middle-class families who have just given up hope of getting ahead. millions of workers out there who have given up hope of finding a job. and yeah, it's time for a reset time to reset the relationship between government and citizen! >> [cheering] [applause] rick perry: you think of the arrogance of washington, d.c., representing itself as some beacon of wisdom with policies that are smothering this vast land, with no regard to what makes each eight and community -- state and community unique. that is just wrong. we need to return power to the states and freedom to the individual. >> [cheering] [applause] rick perry: today, our citizens and entrepreneurs are burdened by overregulation and this unspeakable debt. and debt's not just this fiscal nightmare. it is a moral failure. i wa

rick perry may have shown the best way to perry with humor. mark: showing disdain for donald trump will fire up his supporters. i do not think there is anything to say he is short, aggressive and a little bit personal and making no doubt about how he feels. in the room you saw others not it was a great answer. really helped him i thought. john: if you don't do anything, just try to ignore trump, you know what will happen the next day, he will make mincemeat of you not just on the debate stage for the following day for not just having fought back by calling him weak for ignoring him. mark: he showed good instincts. after the speech at the yield club, i caught up with him and asked him about wall street, the economy, hillary clinton and his own childhood dreams. mark: can i talk to you for a second? the first question, is it true every boy grows up wanting to speak at the yale club, true or false? rick perry: i am not sure any for a new where yale university was. mark: talk about what you think americans think of wall street now? rick perry: i t

between john kasich and rick perry? one of the basics how rand paul is supposed to compete is his supposedly amazing donor network which he got from his dad, everybody thought that rand paul would be able to raise tons and tons of that sweet, sweet ron paul money like his dad. topping that huge donor class that the other candidates can't touch, because their donors don't overlap with everybody els. rand paul is not supposed to be every candidate, he is supposed to be the leader of a movement of die-hard followers who would have done anything for ron paul and anything for rand paul. one of the things is send him money. he released his pac numbers. he raised about $5 million between two pacs, fully 40% of that money he raised for his pacs came from just two guys two individual people who each wrote him a check for a million dollars. so, i mean the beltway press has been so fascinated with rand paul paul. the beltway press has in part been fascinated because they thought he would be so different. they thought he'd be able

perry has been locked in a feud with the leader of the pack, donald trump who recently tweeted that perry should be forced to take an i.q. test before being allowed to enter the debate. >> i see rick perry the other day. and he is so, you know, he's doing very poorly in the polls. he put glasses on so people let's he's smart. and it just doesn't work. people can see through the glasses. but he's got the glasses, the whole deal. trump. i say he did a lousy job on the border. >> trump who has infamously cast immigrants as rapists and criminals will visit the border tomorrow heading to perry's home state of texas to visit the town of laredo which is 96% latino so that should be interesting. as for perry, he knows his best shot to stay in that top ten and make the first debate is to go after trump. today he completely unloaded on the current front runner offering up a blistered broad side that is unprecedented. >> donald trump the candidate is a sowor of division. wrongly demonizing mexican americans for political sport. donald trump is the modern day incarnation. he breathes the free air tho

if you have a question for governor perry let me know now. go to facebook.com/bretbairsr or on twitter @bret baier use the #specialreport. >>> we're in talks with iran over the nuclear program. yesterday's deadline came and went was the only development a one-week ex tension. the head of the u.n.'s nuclear monitoring agency will meet with iran's president tomorrow in tehran. secretary of state john kerry talked with iran's foreign minister today in vienna. yesterday president obama promised to walk away if he can't get a good deal. late today we learned a u.n. report says iran has met a key commitment under a preliminary nuclear deal leaving it with several tons less of the material it could use to make weapons according to the u.n. still no deal in the greek financial crisis and one is increasingly unlikely before sunday's hayesstily called referendum on a deal that is no longer on the table. >> reporter: life keeps getting harder for the greeks. today it was the retiree's turn. some banks closed following the breakdown of talks between gree

>> i don't. >> i'm not putting governor pataki and governor perry in the same category. >> rick perry did more this go-around. he's shocked the heck out of me. he's had an important speech about racism. >> he talked about what donald trump may do to the republican party what happened to the wig party in 1854. >> these are national polls. we are way overplaying trump here. if you look at the early polls, yes, he's taking off right now but taking a lot of oxygen. guess what happens? you flame out. he's not leading in iowa or north carolina. or new hampshire. not in south carolina. >> he's exposed something your party is ignoring, a mood of discontent. it's a little bit rapeaping what you sow. you told everybody what is wrong with the administration and now they are angry. >> that's exactly why i said the republican party needs a sister moment. jeb bush all the guys on the top need to call out the extremism on the right. they need to stand up to him and call him out. by the way, jeb bush isn't going to win those voters anyway. be a leader. >> jeb bush may have done it a little bit, but p

i liked rick perry until this came out. [laughter] makes him look like a teddy bear. [laughter] sees trump as a threat because he doesn't fit into the same box of that all of the other republicans are in. that is why we are hearing stuff from bush now, stuff from rick perry. they haven't exactly been thriving. [laughter] >> he is using the word as illegal immigrants and rapists, word john: he is using the to describe illegal immigrants as rapist, what do you think about that? >> i think it is too generalized. i think that is a concern. some of the people coming in do this and do that, but he said in general, they are this and they are that, and i think that is where he got the criticism. it is not that he is wrong, it is the way that he said it and it is in too much of a generalized way. >> but also some of it was good. i was going to bring up, he said not all of them are bad, that some are bad. he now says he has second thoughts about being pro-choice and being for abortion rights. years he wasy pro-choice. does that bothe

rick perry's lawyer telling them the felony charge against rick perry, they don't think of it as a felony we believe to be a class c misdemeanor. it's not a misdemeanor, it's a felony, a felony charge that carries a potential sentence of five to 99 years in prison. but apparently part of his defense is that he got to look at it as a felony. he thinks that more than is damming with fake praise. yeah. amazing. but ricker withry really is still facing a felony. he is still the only major party candidate to make a run while under documents. >> that history will always be his and rick perry is also still doing terribly in the polls, despite being a historic pioneer. in the latest ppp poll yesterday, rick peripolls at 1% which means he is locked in a tie with my friends rick san tore william. another poll from the economist at a polling outfit yougov.com. rick perry doubles his support at 2% it's down it puts him under carley fiorina in the polls. rick periis so far down not only is he not on track, he is losing in the polls, even compared to the other people who aren't going to make it. he is

perry. >> one is presidential. perry. and the other was just a rambling tirade that is vintage trump unplug full of statements not true full of incendiary remarks, flying our anxious darker side as opposed to the reagan morning in america side of us. i continue to agree with peggy noonan a conservative columnist that say blow hards don't wear well and i think that the current blip of popularity will diminish as his exposure increases, if that's possible. >> but, gary look at the crowds at this speech in phoenix. he is bringing in people. you talk about, you know what he's saying and at the same time look at where he is in the polls. what's your take? >> i think he has been doing great damage to the party. he's stealing headlines. quite easy now. everybody wants to hear some big news. and he has very strong statements. it's populistic not based on any calculation, he doesn't care. this boldness wins support in an early stage. he'll disappear. not a matter of him staying in the race for a hong

if you have a question for governor perry let me know now. go to facebook.com/bretbairsr or on twitter @bret baier use the #specialreport. >>> we're in talks with iran over the nuclear program. yesterday's deadline came and went was the only development a one-week ex tension. the head of the u.n.'s nuclear monitoring agency will meet with iran's president tomorrow in tehran. secretary of state john kerry talked with iran's foreign minister today in vienna. yesterday president obama promised to walk away if he can't get a good deal. late today we learned a u.n. report says iran has met a key commitment under a preliminary nuclear deal leaving it with several tons less of the material it could use to make weapons according to the u.n. still no deal in the greek financial crisis and one is increasingly unlikely before sunday's hayesstily called referendum on a deal that is no longer on the table. >> reporter: life keeps getting harder for the greeks. today it was the retiree's turn. some banks closed following the breakdown of talks between gree

and i don't expect rick perry to be there greeting trump. he just had the strongest takedown of trump we've seen yet. >> he offers a barking carnival act that can best be described as trumpism. a toxic mix of demagoguery and mean-spiritedness and nonsense. let no one be mistaken donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised, and discarded. >> that cancer of conservatism will be at the border tomorrow. joining me now are jonathan capehart and jimmy williams. thank you both for being here. >> good to see you. >> thanks rev. >> jonathan first let me get your take on rick perry's slam tonight. will we see more from all the candidates now? >> i don't know about all of the candidates, but rick perry has been way out there in his criticism of donald trump from the very beginning. remember, he is the only one who called on him to quit the race because of what he said about senator mccain not being a war hero, and how he liked people who weren't captured. i also want to praise governor kerry for i thi

and is that the way to run against him, perry? >> i think the way to run against him, would be to focus on iowa and new hampshire. remember, the polls last time showed the national polls rick santorum was way, way down. he went to all those counties he won the primary. that's how john mccain won. i think the republican candidates would be better off in some ways trying to figure out a way, how do i -- the national polls don't matter. the debate does matter but you can win the primary without being in the debate. you're not going to out-attention donald trump, but you can out-campaign him. >> why not challenge him and ask him what is his policies on health care what is his policies on iran what are your policies on criminal justice? lindsey graham sent out a fund-raising e-mail today saying quote, donald trump continues to show hourly that he is ill-prepared to be the commander in chief. and friend this is the time when senator graham needs your support the most. so in a way, graham is in the news cycle. could this fight actually h

he also took potshots at perry. all of this focus on trump and his rise in the polls, who is it good for and bad for? john: let's start with rick perry as a winner, first floor because he got to use the word perdition in a speech and he talked about trump as a carnival barker. he is on the bubble in terms of making it to the debate. attacking trump right now if you are where he is, which is right at number nine or number 10, it is good for him in terms of national coverage. good for perry and good for him in terms of the debate. mark: it is also good for bush because he is the front runner. as long as the front runner is protected, he's in solid shape. bush will have all the support and money he needs. trump is blocking other people from rising up. who is a loser? john: john kasich. and all of the other reasonable republicans. a guy like john kasich who is not supposed to get an announcement bump, we will see in the polls. he announced yesterday and he got almost no bump in the media. mark: jeb bush is also a loser

that's what rick perry is doing. and this rick perry compared to the one who ran last time is pretty impressive by comparison. he's using -- he's found a way to at least for a day demonstrate his compassionate conservative, the fact that he has a more modulated view on immigration, the fact that he wants some kind of reform in that. and he does it by making a contrast with donald trump. i think it was pretty successful. >> we all grew up, i think you did 250, watching "gunsmoke." and every week somebody came into town trying to make their representation by taking on marshall dillon. and they all ended up dead. does this guy got it? rick perry, who has been humiliated by donald trump called the guy with the glasses but you can still tell he ain't smart? can he go into this or is this an oops on his part? >> oh, no, i think it's the right thing for him to do. otherwise he is not in the conversation. the conversation is about trump or trump and fill in the blank. >> howard is right? >> occasionally. how do you get to be

april, your reaction to rick perry's speech today. this was a deliberate written, strategic decision to go out there and just hammer right at donald trump. >> you are right. it is strategic. let's go back a little bit. i think it was the best thing for rick perry that donald trump attacked him this week talking about wearing glasses and looking smart, things of that nature. now he has put a spotlight on himself. it is like one follows the other. i think rick perry got his moment in the sun to stand out and say we don't like donald trump. now it is time for rick perry to talk about what he wants to do to be president. it is time to move on. he has a spotlight on im. that is the problem with donald trump. we are hearing all of these stub e things and not the substance behind it. we are going to bring back business, how are are you going to do that? we need to deal with illegal immigrants and the border issue. how are you going to do that beyond saying mexico could pay for a fen or wall. >> are we approaching a spot -- as i listen to ric

i think rick perry -- >> that's the sad part. >> rick perry was a bit of a joke last time around. he made a couple of mistakes in the debates. but he is impressive as a candidate. he is all republican all the way. he has texas, he has a good economic story. he is not to be under estimated. >> there are worse ways to cut through the clutter than this attempt. so from their point of view, it worked. we are not saying it was offensive. some of you are saying we would rather have a different movement. but it worked for him. he is not in trouble for we are talking about it. >> rick perry, are you impressed? >> not really, i felt the 2008 part was more like the brady bunch. did you see the wall paper and the land lines and the tv on the floor. >> and the animation was like bevis and butthead. >> or the brad neely guy. >> i don't know him. >> that's because you are not a millennial. those watching on their smartphones they got it. >> they got your reference and they were impressed. >> it's time for the most important story. last week, after gay marriage ruling. many company cans redesign

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rick perry handled it fine. rick perry said talking with you, he shouldn't have said what he said. >> incorporate the trump message -- >> then you have ted cruz defending trump -- >> when two of the top candidates take three weeks, when the head of nascar comes out before jeb bush and marco rubio, you got a problem. >> meanwhile, anne gearan, we're probably going to see donald trump in the debates, he's clear clearly in the top ten, could dominant the stage. >> absolutely. he does an amazing thing, right, he can just absolutely suck the oxygen away from other people, suck the attention away from other people, he's doing it right now. i have to disagree with you, congressman, he's taking attention away from some of the candidates that are saying things that eventually, probably be what the election is decided on, and he'll be able to do that in debates. >> look, he's actually provided a chance for these candidates to separate themselves. actually make the statements and reactions. so, again, he's a foil in the de

governor perry, i want to sku. you said that donald trump was a cancer on conservatism, and you also said that he threatens to send the republican party into the graveyard. what did you mean by that? >> i want to be clear that i'm not going to go quietly as any individual as when donald trump lays out concept that is are outlined with the old historical conservatism. >> i think conservatism is the future of the country allowing people to live free from overtaxation and overlitigation, overregulation. that's what we need to be talk youing about in this country, and not being trying to divide the country. conservatism is about bringing people together. finding solutions. i hear mr. trump with some rather inflammatory remarks. you know, whether or not you agree with john mccain or not, his politics, you must not say that he's not a hero. and those that are captured to belittle those. at that particular point in time, ime not going to be quiet about an individual running into the republican ticket saying that they're a

for perry in 2020 or 2024. could she -- would she ask t. swift to be a running mate? >> those twos would, two would win. >> they would have "bad blood' as their campaign theme song. >> and still win. every young person would be out voting >> you're totally right. >>> next up, will ferrell. we saw him running around. you remember this with the major league teams during spring training, this big thing he did. what was he up to? >> we knew he had to be filming something and now we have a trailer for the project a documentary called "farrell takes the field." check it out. >> they say nothing's more american than grabbing a hot dog heading to the ballpark and watching nine guys from the dominican republic make magic on the field. you know what? today i learned they are wrong. make that eight dominicans and one guy from irvine, california. >> you can see farrell play all nine positions, step into the batter's box september 12th on hbo. >> and the special will raise funds for several cancer-fighting charities so it's

[applause] governor perry: thank you. it was 99 years ago on the 15th day of may 1916 that a courthouse and waco, texas there was a mentally disabled 17-year-old boy. his name was jesse washington. he was convicted of raping and murdering the wife of his employer. he pled guilty and was sentenced to death. jessie and no ordinary death. because he was black. after the death sentence was issued, jesse was dragged out of the courthouse, into a crowd of hundreds and thanks to the advent of the new technology called the telephone, word spread rather quickly to what was about to happen. soon there were 15,000 people watching jesse washington be tortured, to be mutilated, to be tied to a tree. someone lit a fire under jesse and raised him up in the air. jesse tried to climb up the chains to keep from being consumed by the fire. someone started cutting his fingers off so that he could not climb the chain. one man castrated him. another used of whole -- pole to prevent himself from pulling away from the fire. there was a prominent

it is a group of super pacs all supporting rick perry. they announced because of the way the fox news channel has taken over the republican process this year, the rick perry super pacs have changed the way they're trying to campaign for rick perry. they're getting focused on what they need to focus on. if he is excluded from the republican presidential debates. if he is not in the debates, nobody is considering his nomination. if he is not being considered. so the rick perry super pac today decided first things first. instead of focusing on the early states like iowa and new hampshire like candidates always have, today they announced they would stop tho those and instead they'll put their money as fast as they can into ads for rick perry to run on the fox news channel. and on other national cable networks. because fox news has decided that they're going to only allow ten candidates on the debate stage. the rest will be excluded. the only way to do well is in the polls. so the perry campaign is putting all their eggs into that basket. they

rick perry is nowhere in the polls right now. he needs to run a relatively safe campaign with some breakout moments to kind of show he's the elder statesman that he had hoped to be last time around. and wasn't. and i think this was a good way to do it. this is a way for him this week to step up and say, as far as republicans go, i'm the profile in courage here. i'll take on donald trump and say what he's doing is wrong. and that speech that we probably would have ignored otherwise has gotten play all over cable news for a week. >> i don't know if it says a lot of good things about republicans that a profile in courage is taking on something donald trump said about mexicans and other people from south america that's generally seen as incorrect. and i think that will be the challenge when you're on a debate stage with donald trump. if he says something similar to that. if he repeats that line, what does a marco rubio say? what does a jeb bush say? again it takes them off of their pro-active message. >> i don't question perry's sinc

perry: it is obviously the latter. our constitution -- understanding the constitution is really important. i am sure the current resident of the white house, as a constitutional law professor has studied the constitution. for whatever reason if he doesn't want to follow it, that's another issue. the constitution enumerates those powers that are to be given to the federal government. one of those is to stand a strong military and another one is to secure our border. wouldn't it be awesome if the federal government just got those two things right? and left everything else to the states like the 10th amendment tell them to do, to have those powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution or reserves for the states or the individuals? the 10th amendment really matters. i understand how to deal with the border. i have been dealing with it for 14 years. the last seven or eight years in particular, we have had extraordinary challenges great -- challenges. when the president came to dallas, after a short con

and rick perry delivers a frank speech on race and opportunity as he and other republican candidates court minority voters. is it a message that will resonate in 2016? >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul. the embattled chief of the federal office of personnel management resigned friday after it was revealed this week that a data breach exposed the personal data of more than 21 million government employees and contractors. not the 4.2 million the agency initially reported. here with a look at the extent of the hack and ow big a threat it poses to personal and national security is wall street journal columnist and deputy editor dan henninger and mary anastasia o'grady and brett stevens. mary how big a problem is this? let's start with the personal security issue. >> they ask all kind of things about their personal history. everybody has something that they did in college or they look for relatives and neighbors that might say something that you didn't tell them. i think one of the big problems here is that that information might be in the hands of our enemies, but the

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[applause] governor perry: thank you. it was 99 years ago on the 15th day of may 1916 that in a courthouse in waco, texas, there was a mentally disabled 17-year-old boy. his name was jesse washington. he was convicted of raping and murdering the wife of his employer. he pled guilty and was sentenced to death. jesse died no ordinary death. that was because he was black. after the death sentence was issued, jesse was dragged out of the courthouse, into a crowd of hundreds, and thanks to the advent of the new technology called the telephone, word spread rather quickly to what was about to happen. and soon there were 15,000 people watching jesse washington be tortured mutilated, tied to a tree. someone lit a fire under jesse and raised him up in the air. jesse tried to climb up the chains to keep from being consumed by the fire. someone started cutting his fingers off so that he could not climb the chain. one man castrated him. another used a pole to prevent himself from pulling away from the fire. there was a prominent local

phil: rick perry met with the press today. and on the eve of the eve of july 4, he dropped a reference to the great uniter, the emancipator. rick perry: republicans have much to do to earn the trust of african-americans. for too long, we republicans have been content to lose the black vote. we found we did not need it to win. when we gave up trying to win the support of african-americans, we lost our moral legitimacy. as the party of lincoln. phil: why is rp pretending to be another rp, rand paul? john: george? quiet today. the events of recent days has put a premium on republicans trying to deal with the issue with race. that is one contextual thing. it is also the case rick perry a guy who had a problem in 2008 with a rock near his family's compound, which used to the "n" word, that came up in a previous campaign. rick perry does not want that to come up again. he is trying to inoculate himself. it is a moment of high racial sensitivity. he got hit hard last time. he might be in for it again. phil: there is an interesting po

governor perry's going to get into a fight with this guy. how is that going to win for him? i don't get it. go ahead, steve. >> look, this is a test, this is a moment of testing for all these candidates inside the republican party. joan talked about this through the prism of this not being good to the republican party. this isn't good for the run. >> that's right. >> and it's not good for the democratic party. you can be the most liberal person in the democratic party in a country with a two-party system, you need both political parties to be healthy. and this anger that he is channeling is real. i understand that people across this country are upset. they have a right to be upset about a number of different issues and reasons, but this anger is not what the conservative movement in the republican party should be about. it's so opposite the virtues and character of our last great conservative president ronald reagan on whose team is inscribed -- >> i agree with steve. i agree with steve completely that this is not good for the democratic par

but to question his heroism. >> the other thing about, i say just to go back to rick perry, rick perry actually served in the armed forces it should be noted as well. it seems like the voters are going to have to talk. people who vote -- who cost their lot in polls are going to have to get this guy out. because they can't, and it's going to have to be, it's going to have to be the people who speak on this one. >> i'm a little skeptical about whether the people that are currently supporting donald trump are really going to be turned off by this. he has made bombastic comments before, the people that support donald trump right now support him because he is not the typical candidate. right? so will the fact that he went after mccain and his time in the war will that actually turn them off? i don't know. i think the real turning point is really about, as you said, turning the page in how this is discussed internally within the republican party. that we're hearing rick perry for the first time say, he should not be a candidate. we have not actually heard that before. >> you make a great poi

it's interesting you mention texas governor rick perry. that was somebody until recently was actually on trump's good side. it seems to have switched in the last couple days. perry has taken it upon himself to be the main voice speaking out against trump. the law enforcement officials down here are struggling because the federal government is not doing its job in protecting the border alex. >> of course. i think the reason there's this at this time for at that time going on is because they're really slinging insults at one another. when rick perry is getting words said about him, he's stupid should be taking an iq test wears the glasses just to make him look intelligent it's no wonder this has all started and changed the tenor of things between them. with regard to donald trump, though, in texas how well do you think he is going to overall be received? given this is a latino population, given what he said you know slanderous and difficult words to take in when he was announcing his presidential candidate dascy. are they ultimately going to

you never heard it from george bush and you don't hear it from perry. they have the experience ever dealing with the border and a huge latino commune in their own state. you can't demagogue the issue when you've been living it for all these years as governor perry has. >> it's important for gop to turn negatives to positive. it's not about illegal immigrants. i'm a legal immigrant. i know how difficult it is to get a green card even for a former world chess champion. i have friends in silicon valley who kept losing talent because these chinese or asian students couldn't get work visas after graduation. so yes, we have to think about those who are in desperation, trying to pick apples in this country but we must pay attention to those who can create a new apple. >> such a great point. we have to talk about hillary. big economic speech tomorrow. let's look what's coming up at the top of the hour. >> speaking of trump, we'll look at how the donald is dominating the media coverage even as some pun departments dismiss him as a blow hard. hillary's new media

john kasich polling better than rick perry. all of the also rans are within two percentage points of each other. the margin of error in the polls is somewhere between 3 to 4.5%. when you take that into account your poll averages look something like this. george pitaki polling at an average of .4%. if you factor in a best case scenario for him with the margin of error maybe he's at more like 3.4% putting him above chris christie and john kasich. that puts him on stage. with the margin of error, a worst case for ted cruz his 4.4% could be below 2% which would mean he wouldn't be on stage. when you start saying all the candidates are polling somewhere in the vicinity and we'll draw the line, hmm, here. it starts to sound less scientific and more totally arbitrary. close your eyes and pick a spot. this is just an approximation. this is an approximation based on what we can tell and what we know about polls. i'm not a pollster. but i can do the math. i can read the polls and you can too. we tonight know how the folks at fox news wil

so strong words from perry. >> donald trump tweeted out a picture yesterday after then governor perry saying he'd paid a visit to donald trump asking for support and begging for money. seems to be that strategies that still getting donald trump some traction from people who see him as a straight talker and willing to call out members of his own party if they stand in his way. >> reporter: it's one of the things that's the most interesting about what rick perry is doing here, tamron, because it's clear there's a segment of the republican bases that really responding to donald trump's messages particularly on this illegal immigration issue -- excuse me issue of undocumented immigrants crossing the border. but perry's team has clearly made the calculation that they're better off angering those base voters and getting into the media coverage of this trump sort of spectacle we've seen over the past few weeks. it's been so hard for any of the other candidates to get any oxygen. as you think about how these republicans are trying to position themselves to get into that debate in a couple of

he's going to rick perry's territory. so what do you suppose rick perry will do? >> reporter: we'll see. i don't know if -- he's not the governor of texas anymore. he's the former governor of texas. but he lives in austin, not that far away. i assume immigration will be front and center in this debate and rick perry will probably fire back. but i can tell you democrats are laughing smiling, all the way to the bank, perhaps. the internal republican firing squad is at it before like i've never seen before. >> let's talk about something else. somebody else in the race besides donald trump. let's talk about hillary clinton. there's a new quinnipiac poll that came out. it shows something hillary clinton might not find so pleasing. # >> reporter: that's right. in key battleground states of iowa virginia and colorado three states critical in any general election they are showing that her unfavorable ratings are very high and she is actually losing head-to-head -- hypothetical head-to-head match-ups with marco rubio, with jeb bush. so the question really here is what is g

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