both flying rescue missions in the days after hurricane katrina, mr. shand i will begin with you. do you still see these images, these pictures of people waiting for help in new orleans underwater? >> do i, i think about it all the time, just the emotions that we were going through that day. so many people in trouble and just the utter destruction. all the way along the coast from pensacola all the to louisiana, i see it every day i think about it all the way. >> i ask you this question. how do you feel looking back ten years later and realizing these are the images, this is way katrina looks now and some say some has changed but not enough. >> i mean what we saw was pretty harrowing. we are trained to do that. we are both nine year veterans of the navy at that time. but i don't think anything can prepare you to see that kind of destruction, i don't think anyone was prepared to see the level of destruction and the human suffering that we saw. just to be a part of it to help in even a small way is a blessing. to give relief. >> i'll ask you both this same question. katrina became a