thisie: telling more about tell me more -- tell me more about george hamlin. charlie: this is the irony. i have no interest in his back start. only the now. only the present. charlie: you don't care why he is there? richard: it explains some things, but explaining at a certain level is not what i'm interested in you that is not what this 1 -- interested in. this one iswhat about. i want to see ourselves. i saw the first rough cut. i produced a movie and he and i worked incredibly closely on this. soul brothers on this. finally showed me a rough cut he was happy with, and i was delighted for many reasons. it was the movie i had wanted to make, but by the end of it i thought -- i forgot the guy was homeless. that was not the issue. it was a deeper yearning for place i was interested in. spiritual, cosmic voyage towards a yearning for place, for connection, for family, for tribe. where is my place where i am valued, where i am precious? charlie: you perfectly set up the segway into this clip where you talk to another homeless man, george dulles. charlie: this is