california congressman, darrell issa, put it to cnn earlier this week. he goes from a hard no to he knows he has to consider it. i know he is going home to have that kind of real meeting with his family that would allow him to weigh that. all of us are trying now to make sure he understands that the support will be behind him. >> there you have darrell issa saying, the support will be behind him. we also heard from kevin mccarthy who made the pitch after he took himself out of the running and said, he thought that ryan would be amaze. here is what kevin mccarthy had to say. >> we have very good conference, working together. we are trying to work together. a lot of speculation about who should run and others. paul is looking at it but it is his decision. if he decides to do it, he would be an amazing speaker. he has got to decide on his own. >> should he do it? >> there is a very good chance. >> there is a very good chance? >> you have kevin mccarthy, darrell issa, the full-court press is on paul ryan. he went home. congress is out for the next week, vict

i don't consider republicans enemies, they're friends, but even darrell issa has said, you know, this is the way every government program should be administered. >> new polling suggests that hillary clinton's lead in the democratic field is up slightly following last week's debate. a new monmouth university poll shows clinton up six points in september. she's now ahead of bernie sanders by 27 points, 48% to 21%. joe biden in third place with 17%. when the vice president is removed as an option, clinton claims a clear majority, in her lead over sanders goes from 27 points to 33. but a new poll out of new hampshire shows sanders' lead in that state holding steady. this franklin pierce university boston herald poll shows him ahead of clinton 38-30. these results come a day after a boston globe suffolk university poll that has sanders and clinton neck and neck among granite state democrats. down in the democratic polls jim webb is considering making a run as an independent. he's set to hold a news conference today at the national press club. webb so far has been unable to gain traction wi

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darrell issa, the republican from california, larry, is saying it appears none of the folks who are in the running, at least now, can get the votes, and paul rooen himself now has said he is not interested either. >> by the way, darrell issa himself is the guy who may come into the running. he is extremely well respected. he has run a bunch of oversight committees, as you know, and he has done a very good job. i think this is just fascinating because number one, it didn't play out the way you thait thought whereby nsh two be there is a lot of confusion. >> what do the house republicans want? this is so important. we're talking processes, and process is important, but where is the repeal of obama care? where is the corporate tax cut that we were promised? when are they going to put these things on the table, put them in the senate and go to a 51 vote reconciliation package to get it to obama's desk? in other words, there's a revolt of the grassroots. there's a revolt of the base. they are blaming the house and senate leadership for not doing what they promised to do a year ago when they

apparently i saw that darrell issa threw his name in. i'm clearly more qualified than darrell issa. anyone who looks at the basic fundamentals knows the job. first of all, it's an important job. even if you're not a republican it's an important job. >> it's literally the second most powerful -- >> you've got a couple of tough things to counter any circumstance, negotiating with the president isn't easy, dealing with your own members even in the best of circumstances is difficult. the irony here is that having big majorities is actually better than having a small majority because you don't have the sense that you have 40 guys who think they can walk off the reservation and they're in charge. the important thing to keep in mind here, though, is that when our government was created it was a lot of concern, we all learned this in civic class, about rushing headlong into -- >> totally, yeah. >> there was very little discussion of what if you have a handful of people who want nothing to happen? and that handful isn't that small. 40 members is a lot. so in answer to your question about pau

on that note, darrell issa. talk about what you think might happen and more specifically in this room how much pressure paul ryan is getting to run for speaker. >> paul is under tremendous pressure. because in fact he is the only candidate that broadly we can agree can get to 240 votes on the floor consistently. it is tough as you say. the as big sacrifice. hes sacrificing the job he's always wanted, the opportunity to do the legislation he's committed to do and the travel and other requirements will be extensive. but although he ruled himself out, it is very clear he's reconsidering. he's going home to meet with his family and to do the kind of soul searches he would need to do to turn his life upside down for his country. >> this room and meeting room down the hall from where we're standing are people standing up and saying mr. ryan please do it. s the your duty. you have to do it. >> i think it is more subtle but you heard from leader mccarthy who's talked to paul. he knows that the pressure is on and he can'

california congressman darrell issa says he is considering running. ross palombo what is going on? >> two weeks ago today john boehner steps down and california's own kevin mccarthy will be the air apparent and then he pulls out. and now darrell aye is a is jumping in and everyone is talking about paul ryan. >> let's hear what he had to say on capitol hill. >> i'm not a candidate for speaker. paul ryan is not a candidate for speaker. the difference is there is a resounding amount of support for paul ryan to agree to be speaker and i'm part of that team. all of us have to consider serving if paul won't. >> former over sight committee chairman darrell issa san diego county he is in the mix. where is this coming from? >> everyone wants paul ryan to run now because they believe he has the entire caucus behind him. all 240 votes. and they really want this to be a vote for a speaker where everyone is unified. that is a problem that really for boehner to step down everyone believes and for paul ryan to step up. >> paul ryan says i'm not interested. >> he is saying publicly. >> privately h

jc: webster have also expressed interest. neither one darrell issa says he is considering running, but only if paul ryan does not. phil: new signs that joe may be entering the race for the white house react -- for the white house. his aides went over primary a spokesperson would not confirm that meeting took place. biden' s potential rival hillary clinton is planning what her campaign is calling a "day of action" on gun control. it' s to take place across new hampshire tomorrow. she plans to send staffers door to door to talk to voters. monday, clinton spelled out her own gun control proposals, including closing background check loopholes and allowing victims to sue gun makers. jc: many thought pope francis was a shoo-in to win or possibly german chancellor angela merkel, but this year' s nobel peace prize went to the national dialogue or tet. -- quartets. the award announced this morning in norway. the quartet is composed of four organizations that made up the arab spring movement in tunisia. s transition to 2011. phil: 65 degrees in needham, and if you looked behind us -- i can look

. >> darrel issa, not a republican friend of mine. he's a friend. i don't consider republicans enemies. they're friends. but even darrel issa has said, you know, this is the way every government program should be administered. >> if and when he jump necessary, does he go right on the attack? >> no, i don't think he'll go right on the attack. i don't think he needs to. the highest positives in the race and the lowest unfavorables. i think the biggest thing is here to look at where he is in his life. this is his last chance to be president. and the one thing we know is there's some chance he'll be president if he runs. there's zero chance he'll be president if he doesn't run. so why not run? it seems to me it would be pretty clear. odd things happen in politics and a week is a long time in politics. >> okay. >> it takes one good debate and the guy could -- you know, he has the ability to move numberes and win some races and possibly be the democratic nominee and be president of the united states. >> somebody ted me, joe biden, i could be wrong, is not

he's someone that darrell issa has called his dream job. they're talking about he's the one person who could unify the party. and jason chaffetz says if paul ryan is to seek it, he will step aside. >> we promised to go to the big board this morning. there he is. what are the scenarios if paul ryan is in or if he's not in? >> let's take a look. the three possible scenarios of how this all ends up, obviously what we're talking about for the last few minutes, paul ryan is scenario number one. back in wisconsin, got to talk to his family, got to think about it, probably got to field a lot more phone calls like the one he just needed from mitt romney. top people in the republican party all telling him, look, you have got to save us, all prevailing on his sense of loyalty to them. we know he doesn't really want this job in his heart of hearts. the question is can he resist that? when you think back, very few situations like this in politics where so many people are bearing down on one person saying you have do this. that's awfully tough to resist

darrell issa says everybody agrees on that. except everybody doesn't agree on that. paul ryan himself doesn't agree that he should not be speaker. he's said he does not want the job. and honestly, the same republican hardline forces that took down john boehner as speaker and apparently blocked kevin mccarthy from trying to become speaker. those same elements in the modern insurrectionist republican party, well, elements of that part of the party said that darrell issa is wrong. there is no consensus around paul ryan. they'd block him, too. the former editor in chief of red state erick erickson today called paul ryan a dangerous pick for conservatives. a conservative website called breitbart says, paul ryan is the absolute worst choice for speaker. hardliner congressman thomas massey told cnn today that he would not support paul ryan for speaker. hardliner and occasionally hilarious texas governor louis gohmert said the same thing, he wouldn't do it. if only he could be persuaded to say yes. or maybe we should pay attention to the process that got us here. the process

out to be more and partisan and just as sophisticated at darrel issa. somebody in the white house knew hillary clinton was using a separate server because she told the state department that. this is -- i think this e-mail scandal is nonsense. i think it's been nonsense from the beginning. the product of a press that didn't have enough to do, a sophisticated right wing organization and this sort of pathetic moral equivalency between one side's version versus another side's version. i think if the press knows what the truth is, they ought to say if and they haven't done it yet. >> this makes the case that hillary clinton and her supporters have known all along about benghazi. what she does not have is a man deemed a credible investigator who was fired and a person who was planning to be the next speaker of the house, whether he's apologized or retracted still saying those words. that was not on the list of options for hillary clinton and they now are. >> well, i have to tell you, tamron. in politics, as in life, sometimes it is better to be lucky than to

. >> darrell issa now with the camera. let's listen. >> what happened in there? >> okay. i think it's pretty obvious that all members of the delegation of the conference were shocked. kevin mccarthy had the vast majority of the conference's confidence and votes, but he's made a decision that i believe he couldn't get to 218, and as a result, he's taken himself out of the running in favor of a candidate who can get to 218, and i believe he's going to be the most influential voice as to who we can get to get to 218. kevin mccarthy remains our leader. he remains a steadfast part of our leadership and clearly, the man who had the most votes by far for speaker. >> will he stay on as majority leader? >> as far as we know, he is absolutely staying on as majority leader. as i said, kevin mccarthy will be the most important endorsement for whoever ultimately becomes the speaker. [ inaudible question ] -- walter jones letter about possible indiscretions? >> i believe the leader will have to speak for himself but he said he wasn't the right person. my understanding is he felt he cou

california's darrell issa. >> i did everything except carry his gym bag this morning trying to get him to do it. >> reporter: oklahoma's tom cole appealed to ryan's sense of duty. >> i hope paul looks inside. i hope he finds that that's the right decision for him. >> reporter: even utah's jason chaffetz, who is running for speaker himself, said he'd prefer ryan. >> if paul ryan got into the race, of course, i'd support him. he would be the kind of person i could get excited about. >> reporter: ryan's colleagues view him asar tick lat, smart, and driven. >> we need leadership. >> reporter: he's cut budget deals with democrats but still managed to maintain his conservative cred. >> we're going back to regular order. >> reporter: and as mitt romney's former running mate, he has a national profile. but the wisconsin father of three has said for years he doesn't want to be speaker. >> it's a good job for an empty nester. >> reporter:and there's no guarantee that the conservative hard liners who bucked speaker john boehner would cut ryan more slack. lake that arenned thal, of texas, is one o

darrell issa/ (r) ohiorep. john fleming/(r) louisiana (pkg) (boehner) the budget deal is poised to be house speaker john boehner's office. it essentially prevents another government shutdown and puts off a debt crisis. (hrem02 dc feed lawmakers leaving) while leaving negotiations with the white house that stretched until almost midnight uonday, (s hrem02 dc feed rep. darrell issa/ (r) ohio 16:49) down the government i also don't want to be part of doing be part of doing nothing so hopefully this middle ground is something i can support- i file) the 144-page bill calls for an increase in spending of dollars over two covers defense and domestic programs. reforms to social security disability insurance and lifts 2017, well after the presidential election. some conservatives want more.(sot hrem2 dc feed rep. john fleming/(r) louisiana 17:06) has never shown an interest in reforming entitlements" (-:10) faced a fast approaching november 3rd deadline to avoid a debt default. a vote on the (ryan vo) a day before paul

. >> in fact we heard from darrell issa saying that actually congressman ryan is praying with abo about it. sbl i believe he's going home this weekend to soul search with will family about whether or not he can accept this job, a job he doesn't want, he isn't seeking, but it's seeking him. >> the pressure is mounting, congressman chaffetz saying i'll step outside. >> a real crisis in the house of representatives in the republican party saying who are we going to turn to to take this job on. the constitution doesn't require that it be a sitting member of the house of representatives. >> isn't that crazy? >> incredible. so sean hannity and others have raised the issue of whether newt gingrich could return to become speaker of the house again. so what does he say about that? >> would you consider being speaker again if asked? >> well, look, first of all, i think that the key challenge here, and i would say this to paul ryan who is probably the smartest, most disciplined person in the house and who is the obvious person for everyone to turn to. this is not with about personality. >> isn't i

. >> so we have been watching darrell issa of california step up and we promised to see what kind of reaction there would be. if you are just tuning in: kevin mccarthy who was by everybody's opinion the next guy to lead or step up to be house speaker has just dropped out of the race. there is increasing chatter on capitol hill according to our producers there and it is just that. but it is there. i want to ask bret baier, anchor of special report who is live, that john boehner may have to stay as speaker for a time if the house can't agree on a successor. you heard issa say he doesn't feel anybody can get to the necessary 218 votes. go. >> that is true. he will not step down until there is a successor that they feel can get to 218. remember the republicans have their nominee but it is the whole house that votes on speaker of the house. and so the republicans, you would have to get to 218 votes to get to speakership. democrats are likely going to vote for nancy pelosi and the question is who is going to be the candidate that can unite republicans so it doesn't become this ballot after

joining us right now is california congressman, darrell issa, thanks for being here today. >> thanks for having me on. obviously, it's an interesting time, which is not a good thing, but, in fact, it is an opportunity for republicans to real soul search which direction we're going to take our party on america's behalf. >> and, so far, your soul searching, what's that brought you to the conclusion? >> that we need a cap dat as kevin mccarthy said yesterday that gets to 240 members, bringing conservatives back into the fold feeling they have a seat at the table, they can have an say jagenda. >> who do you think is the best candidate to do that? >> well, i certainly, when they float paul ryan's name, all of us get excited that paul could bring us together, but can ditly, paul has not yet said he'll do it. a lot of people are still urging him, and, hopefully, this morning, we'll find out. >> if paul ryan is not interested, if he says no again, then who is the choice? >> well, you know, from the field that ran, i don't have a second choice. i am really looking beyond that. i said this mor

reporter: what about darrell issa? mr. gowdy: can he get darrell issa or --? reporter: could he potentially be a candidate. would people want to support him in the conference? mr. gowdy: support who? reporter: darrell issa. mr. gowdy: you'd have to ask someone else. reporter: is speaker boehner going to stay on then? mr. gowdy: yes. reporter: any idea? mr. gowdy: i don't know when he's going to set the new date or it. host: when john boehner exits stage right next month, "politico" writes that he'll leave behind a deeply divided house republican caucus, torn between a shrinking reaganite core, conservative but cognizant of its responsibility to ledge slate, govern and compromise, and a growing tea party wing that wants to burn the house down. in the sharp assessment of representative bill flores of texas who chairs the republican study committee. the story says it wouldn't be the first time that congress faced a deadlock over a leadership election. in 1855, a house of representatives took almost two months to choose a new speaker. read more at politico.com. yo

i was wondering what you think darrell issa's chance would be? guest: [laughter] it is hard to say at this point. i do not know that there is the strongest, to be honest, if i recall correctly, when he first declared, he said that support for speakership would rise organically. history shows that really do folks get elected to leadership positions in congress without organization and whipping post to get votes. my comment alone, i am not sure he has the support he would need. important ishand, who else is funny. if he is going to be one of the only candidate and other folks are considered front-runners and they do not run, he could have a good chance of getting elected speaker. host: steve from west virginia, good morning. good morning. i think you're guest nailed it when he said it is so hard for republicans to come up with a speaker because they have to work with the democrats and president. the official position of part of that party is to not work with them at all. i have a suggestion for speaker joe biden in the spirit of partisan, nonpartis

as you heard from darrell issa in the piece, he thinks that the pay fors are a joke, so that's why he voted against it and a lot of other republicans followed suit. lou: as you know, mike, better than any of us, the previous pay fors haven't been paid for. so we'll see what happens this time. thanks so much. mike emanuel from capitol hill. >>> a big night for the republican presidential candidates. donald trump will be facing off against dr. ben carson and ted cruz, marco rubio, jeb bush and others in the third republican presidential debate. tonight, in colorado. but this is the first time the candidates will have met since carson overtook trump in one national poll and five iowa polls. fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron is in boulder and has our report. >> reporter: the question is, how donald trump will fare if he can no longer boast about being front-runner, he berated voters who favor polls with ben carson. >> will you get the numbers up in iowa please? this is ridiculous. >> reporter: he later tweeted -- and he prespun his debate performance this evening critici

>> people, especially democrats didn't like what the previous chairman darrell issa how he handled hearing. it is difficult in some ways to tell people exactly how they should behave. if you run a tight ship. this is my hearing. you will be respectful. come with questions, not speeches, i think it will be better hearing. democrats might be worse at this hearing than the republicans. >> they seem a bit emotional at this point. i know it has been difficult proceedings so far because it has become so political. i want to know from you, joe biden's announcement, timing he is not running for president, the day before the benghazi hearings, was that politically timed? >> i think, i think it is too shallow to think that way. it is easy to say, he obviously must have inside information that the fbi is not going to indict her. therefore joe biden said day before will not run to make sure coverage of hearing is lessened next day. i think this was bigger than that. the timing is a bit coincidental. just logistically if you have to be on the ballot in a lot of states you have to file by november 1st w

but listen to what one of the colleagues darrell issa said about ryan and why he believes that ryan is the only guy to do it. >> i think that he has gone from the hard no to the fact that he has to consider it. i know that he is going home the have the kind of real meeting with his family that would allow him to weigh that. all of us are trying now to make sure that he understands that the support will be behind him. if he chooses to do it, one of our commitments has to be that we will not put him back in the box that john boehner has found himself in. we have to be governable if we choose broadly a consensus candidate. >> and ashleigh, that the last part that house republicans have to be governable, that really is the key. because, right now, they are just not. and it is hard to to see what would and could change to make paul ryan or anybody else able to really rein everybody in and find consensus. because you have the fundamental problem with a lot of these republicans who really believe that the answer is not negotiating, but the answer is not bipartisan compromise, but the answer i

. >> that is darrell issa on the other side of there, one of paul ryan's republican colleagues talking about the private conversations urging him to run. again i am just off of the house floor as the members were voting, and i talked to some of the conservative members not support i supporting kevin mccarthy, and one of the people there did tell me that he could support paul ryan, and that is one example of why he is under pressure to run. but he has not said anything to us, but he said he is going home the talk to his family. >> and manu, he has repeatedly said that he is not wanting the job, and he se a young m nd nd years ole and he does not see himself in the house of representatives forever, and what are you hearing? >> that is it, wolf. this is a man with many opportunities to move up the leadership ladder and several times in his career where he could have run for the speaker or the other leadership posts, and he said no. in 2012 he was recruited to run for the open senate seat in wiscons wisconsin, and he has said no. he h resisted on many, many occasion, and largely, because h

he's there right now and he was also previously there when darrell issa was the chairman of the oversight committee. he's had a long experience being the minority democrat on a committee that is going after and probing the obama administration. he has had to come to its defense in many times in the past. in doing so he has had to have a stiff back, a stiff upper lip. and he's been somewhat of a fighter. there's actually a fair amount of speculation he might end up running for the senate in maryland. he has yet to announce. he says he's not going to make any firm commitments on that until after this hearing with secretary clinton. recent polling shows that if he wanted to do that, that option would be there for him. he could jump into the fray and would probably do well in the open senate seat up in maryland after mccloskey steps down at the end of next year. he has gained a lot of recognition because of this committee and might take that all the way to the upper chamber. >> you have adam schiff, adam smith, linda sanchez, tammy duckworth. any of those names stick out as someone who is --

. >> reporter: and it's interesting that congressman darrell issa was considering jumping into the speaker's race. now it sounds like he is waiting and giving paul ryan the time and space that he needs. meanwhile, it's interesting, this afternoon we had a a press conference with some of the top house democrats, and in this one case they are not jumping on republicans now. >> as i said yesterday, when they choose their nominee for the floor and they elect a speaker, we'll be happy to work in a bipartisan way to find common ground. it's up to them. it's not up to us. >> reporter: so leading house democrats are taking a wait-and-see approach, and leader pelosi says there is currently a speaker still on the job, liz. liz: that is true. but it looks right now like a frat party after one a.m. where everyone's jumping in the pool. [laughter] they're at least waiting til paul ryan says i'm taking my time going in. mike, thank you very much. mike emanuel. >>> closing bell, we are 49 minutes away in a very -- i keep saying narrow trading range, but it is. now the dow's up ten points. oh, and, yeah, ho

. >> the next day, the next day, the chairman of the oversight committee darrell issa went on national television and accused you of the same thing. can we play that clip, please? >> swu state was just wrong. she said she did not participate in this, and, yet, only a few months before the attack she outright denied security in her signature in april 2012. >> do you remember that allegation, madam secretary? >> i do. >> well, when the washington post fact checker examined this claim, they gave it four picnoios. they called it a whopper. it turns out the republicans had a copy of that cable, but they didn't tell the american people that your so-called signature was just a stamp that appeared on millions of cables from the state department every single year. is that right? >> that's correct. >> now, madam secretary, my goal has always been to gather facts and to defend the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. last year i asked our staff to compile an ask and answer database, and this specific issue was answered thoroughly. on monday we put out another report, and this issue

darrell issa told us after the meeting he wanted to see support from all the groups in the house republican conference and at the end of the weaning he would make a decision whether he would run. i'm told for sources that were inside the room, he doesn't want just 218 votes. the bear minimum to be elected the next speaker of the house. he wants solid support from across the conference. so at the end of his pitch. i'm told there was loud applause inside the house republican conference. no booing but basically he is putting it back in the court of the republican caucus to say if you support me, i will run. if not, you will have to find somebody else. bottom line he signaled is he willing to do it if there is enough backing for him to do so. >> this feels like homecoming king though the moment you are elected everybody will take a swipe at you. >> all down hill from there. tough issues on the agenda ahead. >> yes, indeed. anyway, thanks for being with us. we will see you again tomorrow night right here at 7:00 p.m. eastern. take a look at this. this is the best tweeted picture of the day. who

. >> what do you think the vice president meant yesterday when he was talking about darrell issa in the context of clean energy. and he seemed to make a note of it that republicans are friends, republicans can be useful in these kinds of situations? >> well, i think that what vice president -- i didn't see his actual comments, so let me just, i can speak to the president's view of this, and that simply is, we're in an era of divided government. and the american people in their wisdom elected a republican majority in both the house and the senate. and that means if we're going to advance the nation's priorities, we're going to have to find a way to do it in a bipartisan fashion. we're going to have to choose policies that can get the support of at least some republicans on capitol hill and the support of the democratic president. and that means the democrats and republicans have to work together to advance our shared interests and the president has long been committed to that principle. and unfortunately, we have seen too many republicans on capitol hill long resist that principle. that'

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the next day, the next day, the chairman of the oversight committee, darrell issa, went on national television and accused you of the same thing. can we play that clip, please? >> secretary of state was just wrong. she said she did not participate in this, and yet only a few months before the attack, she outright denied security in her signature in a cable april 2012. >> do you remember that allegation, madame secretary? >> i do. >> well, when "the washington post" fact-checked or examined this claim, they gave it four pick kno pinocchios. they called it a whopper. turns out republicans had a copy of that cable, but they didn't tell the american people that your so-called signature was just a stamp that appear on millions of cables from the state department every single year. is that right? >> that's correct. >> now, madame secretary, my goal has always been to gather facts and defend the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. last year i asked our staff to compile an asked and answered database. this specific issue was answered thoroughly. on monday we put out another report. this

issa, made it clear that his efforts were directed at you. as he spoke at a political event in new hampshire, chairman issa has said he came to that political event in new hampshire to, quote, shape the debate for 2016, end of quote. how right he was. at that event chairman issa explained -- can we roll the tape, please? >> we need to have an answer of when the secretary of defense had assets that he could have begun putting up, why there was not one order given to turn on one department of defense asset. i have my suspicions, which is secretary clinton told them to stand down. and we all heard about the stand-down order for two military personnel. that order is undeniable. they were told not to get off the airplane and -- >> the idea that you would intentionally take steps to prevent assistance to americans under attack in benghazi is simply beyond the pale. the claim has also been disproven multiple times over. first it was disproved by the arb which issued its report at the end of 2012. admiral mullen, former chairman of joint chiefs of st

the next day, the next day the chairman of the oversight committee, darrell issa, went on national television and accused you of the same thing. can we play that clip, please? >> secretary of state was just wrong. she said she did not participate in this, and yet only a few months before the attack, she outright denied security in her signature in a cable april 2012. >> do you remember that allegation, madam secretary? >> i do. >> well, when "the washington post" fact checker examined this claim, they gave it four pinocchios. they called it a whopper. it turns out that the republicans had a copy of that cable, but they didn't tell the american people that your so-called signature was just a stamp that appear on millions of cables from the state department every single year, is that right? >> that's correct. >> now, madam secretary, my goal has always been to gather facts and to defend the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. last year i asked our staff to compile an asked and answered database. and this particular issue was answered thoroughly. on monday we put out another repor

the next day, the next day the chairman of the oversight committee, darrell issa, went on national television and accused you of the same thing. can we play that clip, please. mr. issa: secretary of state was just wrong. she said she did not participate in this, and yet only a few months before the attack she outright denied security in her signature in a cable april, 2012. mr. cummings: do you remember that allegation, madam secretary? secretary clinton: i do. mr. cummings: when a "washington post" fact checker examined this claim. they gave it four pinocchios, a whopper. it turns out the republicans had a copy of that cable but they didn't tell the american people that your so-called signature was just a stamp that appear on millions of cables from the state department every single year. is that right? secretary clinton: that's correct. mr. cummings: madam secretary, my goal has always been to gather facts and defend the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. last year i asked our staff to compile an asked and answered database, and this specific issue was answered thoroughly. o

trey gowdy, greg waldon, darrell issa this morning on "morning joe" expressed his interest. a lot of talk, though, with daniel webster. and some of the support from the more conservative members of the party. what do you make of that list? >> yeah. and tamron, from my colleague who's been on capitol hill, daniel webster, who had already thrown his hat into the ring for the speaker race before we found out kevin mccarthy and him dropping out yesterday. he said he's still in this race. one other name to add to the list would be peter rask yom from illinois. his name has also coming up. the question is, if not paul ryan, who else? i think that is the takeaway at least from this current statement we got from paul ryan. there was this thought earlier this morning that paul ryan would essentially do it, even on a temporary basis, because there is no other option. as my colleague, luke russert, puts it, he'd fall on a grenade just to help the party. but again, if it's paul ryan -- if we are to take this statement at face value, this means there's a mad scramble on for someone else.

the next day, the next day the chairman of the oversight committee, darrell issa, went on national television and accused you of the same thing. can we play that clip, please? >> secretary of state was just wrong. she said she did not participate in this, and yet only a few months before the attack she outright denied security in her signature in a cable april 2012. >> do you remember that allegation, madam secretary? >> i do. >> well, when the washington post fact checker examined this claim, they gave it four pinocchios. they called it a whopper. it turns out that the republicans had a copy of that cable, but they didn't tell the american people that your so-called signature was just a stamp that appear on millions of cables from the state department every single year, is that right? >> that's correct. >> now, madam secretary, my goal has always been to gather facts and to defend the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. last year i asked our staff to compile an asked-and-answered database, and this specific issue was answered thoroughly. on monday we put out another report, and

. >> darrell issa, not a republican friend of mine. he's a friend. i don't consider republicans enemies, they're friends. >> now, that might have been a dig at hillary clinton who said last week at the democratic debate on cnn, she considers republicans her enemy. moving on to one pennsylvania congressman, brennan boyle tweeted he has a source telling him, we'll put it up on screen, that biden will run. i talked to boyle yesterday. he said he stands by that tweet. saying the information came close to a source to biden. the democrats may be losing patience with biden. in august, there was more support for a biden run. it has dropped to less than half. guys, in terms of timing, hillary clinton has an appearance before the benghazi committee on thursday. a lot of democrats are telling me joe biden should not time his announcement around that, be seen as exploiting that. there's also, jefferson jackson dinner in iowa on saturday. hillary clinton will be there, democratic candidates will be there. democrats tell me if joe biden misses that dinner, he's de

you saw darrell issa nodding his head. chris is here. what do you think of this? >> that is a hard question. there is so much to say. i can imagine them in the conference sitting around saying what do we do now? we have 247 house republicans and each one has a different idea on how they should lead. this is a tough decision for paul ryan. it is not a natural fit. paul ryan is the brains of the house republican conference. he is the guy who, you know, comes up with the ideas and that is what he loves and he is great at. i don't think he wanted to be president. he has a young family. he has to tend to the needs and angst and concerns of 246 other house republicans. it is not what he likes to do or wants to do. most importantly, you don't have a cohesive group, 218 republicans who see the same way of going. and i don't think there is any assurance of paul ryan. would the hard liners go along with the so-called moderates and follow his lead? >> chad program, our capitol hill producer, dropped something in the urgent file saying there is a movement to fire paul ryan an

darrell issa broke them down specifically, as he was walking away from some cameras. listen to this. >> congressman ryan has said he's willing to serve if he can be the choice of all three wings of the republican party. he's looking for appropriately endorsement from all three major groups. and the expectation is that will make the final decision. >> which three groups? >> the republican study group, the tuesday group, and the freedom caucus. >> did they offer any reaction when he said that? >> there was overwhelming applause. i didn't see anyone booing. >> okay, so the big key is, if on friday, those three groups say, okay, you got our endorsement, then he becomes speaker and they vote him in, with at least 218 votes. will he, going forward, actually wind up getting support from them? or are they going to wind up giving him the same problems that they gave speaker boehner? >> people say paul ryan's -- a chance to be -- that won't be successful. if he's able to be successful and puts legislation forward and puts stuff on the president's desk and gets everybody togethe

bill: darrell issa says there is no consequence for wrongdoing in the u.s. today. you have an active case. what the status of yours? >> we are in appeal and we hope that the first quarter of next year we'll have an opportunityt. this has been an outrageous and unbelievable process. there is evidence coming out of the woodwork that in fact what lois lerner and her cohorts did was criminal. sadly we are not going to see the perp walk that all americans know should be where we are headed. but again this an administration that doesn't want the answers so they just don't ask the questions. bill: i can hear the frustration in your voice. what do you think is working here? a coverup? >> absolutely. this an administration that knows that they have a big elect and they need to tidy up some loose end. they hope americans will forget. they think that americans have a short attention span, we'll move on. i don't think think is one we'll forget. if i have anything to do about it i won't let anyone forget. this was something perpetrated not just on me, hundreds maybe thousands o

let's go live and hear from california's darrell issa. ice cube in favor of a candidate who can -- mr. issa: in favor of a candidate who can get to 218. i think he will be the most influential voice to who we can get to get to 218. kevin mccarthy remains our leader, he remains a steadfast part of the -- part of our leadership and clearly the man who had the most votes by far for speaker. reporter: will he stay on as majority leader? mr. issa: as far as we know. as i said, kevin mccarthy will be the most important endorsement for whoever ultimately becomes the speaker. reporter: does this have anything to do with that walter jones letter about possible indiscretions in the member's past? mr. issa: i believe the lead already have to speak for himself. he said he weanlt the right person. my understanding is he felt that he could not get to 218. he wants to make sure that whoever does become speaker obviously has the ability to get to 218 on the floor consistently and that's his reasoning. reporter: paul ryan, is that the only person who can

. >> darrell issa is not a republic kahn friend of mine. i don't consider republicans enemies, they are friend. bill: i think it was pretty obvious. >> i don't think there i any way to interpret that other than as a jab. she got a lot of criticism for lumping in republicans along with iranians as her enemies. if the vice president does run one of his main selling points is he can work with republicans in this very partisan and divided city. he has been here for 40 years and has developed many friendships. bill: yes or no, is he in or out? >> i say no. martha: jeb bush aggressively defending his brother groarng's legacy -- brother george's legacy after trump claimed he would have protected us from the 9/11 tragedy. >> he said let isis take out assad. then he says let russia take out isis. he's happy russia is in syria. that's not in our best interests to let the soviet union take out isis. this lack of understanding how the world works is what the problem is. bill: trump taking a jab at nag tall security and tracing it back to illegal immigr