and ron paul. he's a libertarian hardcore. so for him to go ahead and be all happy about paul ryan tells me this is definitely not on the up and up. but my deal is real simple here. i didn't call up about that. i own health insurance agencies and i am an independent and at least now we can get everyone to shut up about repealing and let's hear a debate tonight and see if they really got anything to say because the deal is is that boehner and with ryan's allegedly disgust but approval, the people's protection and affordable care act is well fund and probably funded enough to go around the world twice. so once again, for me to say amash is saying this is all good, then that just -- this doesn't make any sense but one thing that's good is let's put this to bed and let move on to bring back made in the u.s.a. i think everyone can agree with that. host: the house will be back in in about 15 minutes or so. around 3:00 eastern. a tweet from the majority leader, also issued a statement on the election. the

paul ryan is 44. he can turn two or three or four terms of the speaker, turn that into a governor ship and run for the presidency or maybe became a senator. so i think what, a lot of people are saying it is a depped end job for him. i think that is wrong. he can do great things there and take it to whatever he wants to do. >> speaking of 70s something-year-old politician, one making the news today in washington. take a listen to this and then we'll talk about it. >> while i not be a candidate, i will not be silence. i intend to speak out and influence as much as can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. >> all the people with inside information were wrong, joe bide season not running for president. what do you make of that? >> it was a very emotional statement from joe biden and i know the supporters are very disappointed that he's not running. that said, i think you talk to any campaign strategyist at this point, he's right, it is hard to figure out what the path forward is f

right now we are campaigning for paul ryan. >> paul ryan has said again and again and again doesn't want this job. what makes you think he might reconsider? mr. issa: paul ryan answered the call when he was called by mitt romney to consider being vice president. i believe he's going home this weekend to soul search with his family about whether or not he can, in fact, accept this job. a job he doesn't want. he isn't seeking, but is seeking him. >> can you describe the kind of pressure that is being placed on paul ryan right now to run? mr. issa: i did everything

his name was paul ryan. there's a difference between being asked to do something and being called to do something. paul was being called, i know he'll serve with grace and dignity and i wish him and his family all the best. [ applause ] i describe my life as a chase for the american dream. that chase began at the bottom of the hill to the main drag in ohio outside of cincinnati. the top of the hill was a small house with a big family, a shiny city in its own right. the hill had twists and turns and even a few tears. nothing wrong with that. but let me tell you, it was just perfect. i'll never forget, we're the luckiest people on earth. in america, you can do anything that you're willing to work for, willing to work hard at and things -- anything can happen if you're willing to make the necessary sacrifices in life. if you falter, and you will, you can just pick yourself up, dust yourself off and go do it again. because hope always springs eternal. and if you just do the right things for the right reasons, go

he also said he expects congressman paul ryan to be elected speaker. >> listen, i think paul is going to get the support that he is looking for, that he laid out a very clear vision of how he would run the speakership. and i thought the members responded very well to it. >> speaker boehner's comments came after house republicans met again this morning to consider congressman ryan's offer to step up and take the position. but only if certain specific conditions are met. ryan set those conditions out in a meeting last night with republicans. >> first, we need to move from an opposition party to being

paul prudhomme was 75 years old. still to come on the newshour: more on kevin mccarthy's decision to bow out of the race for speaker of the u.s. house. gwen's conversation with attorney general, loretta lynch. ben bernanke on who should have taken the fall for the financial crisis. and much more. >> woodruff: we take a deeper look now at today's surprise shake-up on capitol hill with former republican house member vin weber of minnesota and washington post reporter mike debonis. gentlemen, welcome. mike debonis, to you first. anything to add about why kevin mccarthy pulled out? >> really, right now, you know, it was a matter of pure politics within the house republican conference. it became clear that his path to the speakership was going to be very narrow and that his ascending to that post would do little if anything to solve the internal problems and the divides within the conference. he said it himself in his press conference earlier today when he today before the microphone, he said we need a fresh face. the que

that's what paul wants. i mean paul is a big thinker about big ideas, so he needed that vote to be able to get there. and we had to work for it, but i think the conference feels very good about where we are today and i think america will feel very good about where we are in the future. >> what do you think is his biggest challenge out of the gate? >> well, there's always challenges going to a new job, but this isn't so new to paul. think about it. he was the budget chairman and he changed direction of america, how we looked at debt. he was ways and means chairman. he was a vp candidate. so i think that whole combination of experience. and he was a waiter at tortilla coast. he's never left his roots. and when you listen to his speech, it's about for all americans. i think he's going to unite both sides of the aisle and you'll see big issues being tackled, where other times they were ignored. >> he says he wants to change the process, the committees write the legislation, more power from the bottom going up to

paul had some conditions. part of that, as he went forward, is recognizing that he will have the support when he goes to the floor for the actual vote that will make him speaker. all of that speculation and back and forth and not having a leader. 100%. it is time for us to get the people business done. >> you want everyone working towards the same thing. how do you get that done in an environment where you cannot even get the full support that you need for congressman ryan to become speaker? >> i think that he will have 218 votes will be go to the floor. they voted their conscious, a great many, in the room and then out on the floor they will vote to the conference nominee is. obviously, i think you will have the votes to do it. trish: do we have to have all of this drama? >> a intended for government to be very, very hard. in that, they were very successful. trish: indeed. blake and chris and gary still here with me. your reaction to this. the guy that republicans can get behind. only having 200 votes. not th

>> i like paul ryan. >> and protesting the president. the president flies to oregon today to console the families of those killed in that campus shooting but not everyone wants him in roseburg. >> it's a heart issue. it's not a gun issue. he is not wanted out here to push his agenda and using the families for that agenda is not just unacceptable, it's utterly despicable. >>> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. what a day it is. a roller coaster ride for house republicans and it's far from over. the push for paul ryan among the republican conference has hit overdrive. the former vice presidential nominee and current ways and means chairman is so far not taking the bait. joining me, msnbc's luke russert live on the hill. here with me, nbc news political director chuck todd, moderator of "meet the press." we will try to get him some more jobs. and republican strategist john fehery, former house communications director for dennis hastert. back when they knew how to run the house. tell us the latest n

they won't admit it, but they are stealing from paul barth -- paul ryan's budgets already. brendan: we have al hunt with us in d.c. what you saw says last night was republican candidates to some extent taking paul ryan's lead, talking about economics in a driveway. did you hear anything new last night? al: not a whole lot. all the tax plans would be very expensive. all of them are tilted heavily to the upper income. one of my favorite examples is true of paul ryan, too. care who want to eliminate of interest. that would raise about $2 billion a year and eliminating the estate tax which only goes to the wealthiest of americans heirs would cost about $20 billion a year. here.re is very little brendan: let's get into the weeds as they did last night. i am going to play some sound from john kasich taking on donald trump. he really positioned himself last night as the adult in the room. [video clip] plans would put us try as trillions of dollars in debt. i am the only one on this stage you has a plan that would create jobs, cut taxes, balance the budget, and can get it done beca

>> that's the difference with paul. paul is not just a member of congress. paul is who america knows, he's thoughtful. he looks for solutions. he doesn't just think, how do i move it out of committee? how do i transfer and change america at the same time. so, i think paul moving legislation is a little different. i think you'll be able to move and have the power within the senate and across the country. my best advice is get out to the country, talk about the ideas, win the idea before you win the vote. >> of course, a group of 30 or 40 members of that house freedom caucus who actually opposed you when you were thinking about running for speaker and were also one reason why john boehner has decided to draw -- decided to resign. how much of a threat is that group to speaker ryan now going forward? >> you know what, if you noticed, a lot of them voted for paul. paul is a uniter. and i think you're going to find his ideas will unite people and will unite this country. and i think he's the right man at the right time. and it's a good day today for america and fo

that limits it to paul ryan. he's been able to bridge that gap because a lot of the work he's done on the budget and the heat he's taken from democrats because of the work he's done on the budget. paul ryan is their last best shot. short of john boehner saying i got to stick around for another year, it's got to be paul ryan for them. >> robert costa of the washington post tweeting, sending out a number of tweets. one of them says boehner to ryan pitching the chair, per sources. pitching the ways and means chair. okay, in addition. so committee chairmanship -- >> he has that now. >> he's saying -- sorry. he says if you really want to change policy, do it from the top. you can be a policy guy/healer. according to robert costa that's the pitch bostehner is making. >> be a leader. i think part of the -- in addition to all the personal factors we've talked about that are keeping paul ryan from wanting to do this. there's the basic reality that the republican house speaker, whoever it is, is going to be faced with the

that has bought paul ryan some breathing room. but the honeymoon will not be long because he will be tested in this position. it is not like being chairman of a committee. you are in the line of fire, not only from democrats, but from within your own party. bill: reluctant leader but whether it was kicking or screaming i can't describe it that way. but now he is all-in as they say. you mentioned ted cruz. you speak to him tonight. >> yes. bill: what is the context for his positioning now, in the senate, you know, still considered a renegade? i think outgoing speaker who considered him, to use a polite word, a jackass? >> it's cable, bill. bill: yeah, it is cable. indeed it is. what is cruz going to say about how this congress acts now? >> listen, he is running an anti-washington, anti-establishment campaign. he arguably had a very good night last night going against the media, going against the moderators. he has pretty detailed flat tax plan he put out in op-ed in "wall street journal" today. we'll ask him about all of that and t

he's providing an alternative to paul ryan. >> what's going to be different about paul ryan leading the house, assuming he's elected tomorrow morning? >> ryan is promising a more inclusive process to get more buy in from rank and file members. he's also pledging there will be fewer last minute deadline deals. ryan said yesterday this budget debt ceiling package was a lousy process and basically pledged to change it. last night he said in statement we need a robust dialogue about improving the process so each member has a greater voice. we need a firm deadline to implement change. that's music to the ears of many rank and file house conservatives. that's why we expect tomorrow morning when the house goes to vote for a new speaker that paul ryan should likely have plenty of votes. >> all right. that may be happening live in a couple of minutes. thank you. >>> round three of the republican debate just hours away. 14 republican candidates with two front runners. everybody else fighting for the top spots. what can we expect? >> there's potential for a very big moment. carson has now moved in

a word about paul ryan. harry reid is saying i'm a paul ryan fan. we've been able to work with him. that is the most damaging thing harry reid could have possibly said today about paul ryan's candidacy. that's something you say if you want to leave the house of representatives in this chaos. >> and when i've spoken to house democrats today, they say they've been grabbing pact buckets of popcorn. they enjoy the chaos. and to see ryan play hardball with his own conference, that has startled democrats. you have to watch right now what the freedom caucus is going to do. i just spoke with the leaders of the freedom caucus a few minutes ago. they know they can't really beat ryan. their only candidate from florida doesn't have much of a chance. it's not about beating ryan at this moment, it's can you edge them out of the race? can they stand together as a bloc and say we're not going to be unified with you and does that force ryan out? that's they play, it seems at the moment. >> now we have some moderate republica

and then john boehner said tonight paul ryan's going to say whether or not he wants the job and paul ryan's office said no, no, no, he won't tell you tonight. and then paul ryan came out and said, i do sort of want the job. but i probably won't take it unless do you this whole big long list of things. is that pakistani what just happened. >> basically. paul ryan basically said he would take the job if the republican conference agrees to these conditions he has. you listed them yourself. they involved his family. they involved some rule changes. they involved a big word he's been using over and over again is the idea of unity. he wants to unify the conference. the reality is he wants to do this. he's given the conference till the end of the week to decide whether or not think can unify around him. he's asked that the three major caucuses of the republican party come back and beak say okay, we'll endorse you as the speaker of the house. those three caucuses are the rsc, which is conservative republicans, the freedom caucus which is very conservative republicans and then the tuesday gro

>> paul: well, it is true.e you? i really thought i'd never do another film concerning war, because they're just so ferociously complicated to do. >> shad: in what ways are they complicated? >> paul: they're really complicated to finance, 'cause they're expensive. and they're very complex and difficult to shoot, and... but it, it, in any ei got invited to go as a group of people to visit the troops. they would assemble a group called team canada, and off we'd go. and i was in kandahar for about a week, i guess.vent, at the big airbase there, kandahar airfield. but i also got out on helicopters and looked at forward operating bases. and it, it was absolutely, uh, bewildering. in part because, the environment itself is so, it's so amped up and difficult to describe.but ta kind of strange, brutal, almost chaotic poetry. uh, there's men and women moving in uniform, and machinery, and air is full of noise, and the smell of diesel. it's completely compelling. >> shad: such a foreign experience from-- >> paul: mm hmm, yeah.

and i respect paul ryan's hesitancy. many people think that it's a real plum to be speaker of the house. it is hard work. you're, in effect, divorcing yourself from your wife, from your kids, from your grandkids. you're spending hundreds of days each year away from your home district, either in washington, d.c. or fund-raising on behalf of candidates around the country. and so it's a very difficult and challenging job and i respect paul ryan's decision to put family first. >> and while it sounds like you have an insight into that decision, it sounds like that's what the decision has been so far. i have to ask you this, with due respect, historically this is somewhat anomalous, the speaker of the house is a position people have clamored for, they have spent decades trying to get it. many people want him to take it, he doesn't want to take it, and many interpret that as him not wanting the job because of the house freedom caucus, the 40 to 50 members of your party that have made the house fundamentally ungovernable. >> wel

rand paul's father. jesse benton had a long time association with rand paul including running the super pac supporting his presidential campaign. is this affecting rand paul at all in the way he campaigns in iowa? is he keeping this at arm's length successfully. >> he's trying. tomorrow he will be in iowa, as well just a few miles away from the courthouse. what he's been saying the whole time, this is complicated documents and who sign this had or who didn't sign that. that's sort of a mischaracterization of what the charges are. i think he's been holding it off. i think part of the defense is to try to make this look like the government is unfairly prosecuting these liberty people who you know, it's a political prosecution. i think he's been sort of spinning it that way. i think that's what's so interesting about ron paul coming to testify. i think the prosecution is going to try to frame ron paul as the victim saying he's not the kind of candidate who buys endorsements. these guys went behind him. they

if paul convinces us -- i believe paul wants the changes we do. we have a conference meeting discussing rule changes attended by more than a hundred members of our conference. this is not just a conservative complaint. i know that paul is a committee guy. he likes when the committees are allowed to work. i think he's mentally commited to many of the same things we want. >> convince us of that, and we can deliver an overwhelming majority of the house. i don't think anybody is going to get 247. >> here's a thing about paul ryan. he doesn't want the job. why convince you of something -- a job he doesn't want. >> sometimes you just need to do it. the country and the party needs you, and if you decide you want to do it, that's great. if he doesn't, there's other people who could unite us. if you look down the list and say okay, who could unite the party in the house, certainly paul comes to the head of the list. >> what due say to people, republicans who look at other members and say the country looks at the house of representatives and the republicans

i don't know how paul gets over the issues. we talked to paul about running for majority leader back when eric cantor lost and his objections were that he has young kids at home. i fully respect and admire him for that if paul decides he wants to run, certainly he becomes the favorite and somebody who might be able to unite the party. >> if he doesn't run, though, it's interesting to see all of these names surface. how to get to the magic number of 218 is the question. does john boehner stay on and is that acceptable to your caucus? >> john staying on is not acceptable to anybody. there's a reason we're having this discussion, which is john had to leave. there's a lot of talent in the republican party. you haven't heard much about it. because we haven't been allowed to do our job the last several years. there's a lot of talent here and i'm satisfied that if we lock ourselves in a room for a couple of hours, we could find someone to unite our party. >> there's big-ticket items coming up. the debt ceiling vote. the transportation

that would be wisconsin congressman paul ryan. you see the soon-to-be former house of speaker there standing up at the desk n front of the microphone. we're expecting him to announce at any moment that paul ryan is the new speaker of the house. let me listen to a little bit of what's going on. jeff zeleny, our political correspondent is going to pop in, too. they're still calling the roll, aren't they? >> reporter: yes, they are, carol, still calling the roll. paul ryan has surpassed the majority he needs to become the next house speaker. it's extraordinary, carol. only a handful of republicans declined to vote for him here, so he is even winning over some tea party conservatives who did not vote for him yesterday, so he is getting nearly the full unanimous call of support from this house republican conference. >> i saw paul ryan earlier on the house floor before the vote began, before this roll call began, talking with some members of the freedom caucus, including congressman jordan from ohio. they appeared to be having a very fu

paul: there are many that you admire. the answer you normally get our look it nelson mondale, are rosa parks some of what they tell you is that these are people who are driven by strong sense of purpose. if a person like rosa parks like nesting and up in a bus can change the face of racial segregation than any individual and their own circle can credit difference. what you have to do is encourage it. we have a lot of efforts in place. foundations.these give a lot of people there. it changes the conventional career path. we bring in examples from other companies. there are many others that have shown they have a lot of courage. alternately, what gives us purpose to do what we do, and it should be true for everybody is that we realize why we do this. alternately, we do this because we belong to a very small percentage of the population. 2% that is actually educated. that has a comfortable job. that can do what they want, work or they want. they do not have to about their family. that is not trivial and 98%. i always believe

and so, that's why paul -- i've spoken to paul -- he needs to think about this. it's a hard -- it's a difficult decision. he knows -- i'm confident that he knows he could pull it off and win. the question is, can he change the dynamic? and that's the thing that he has to think about, and frankly, all of the members of the house republican conference have to think about. >> is it a job you would want at this point? >> oh, i have no plans to run for speaker at this time, but you know, anything's possible in this world. >> all right, congressman charles dent, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> greatly appreciate it. >> thanks, tamron. >> absolutely. >>> developing now, republican presidential candidate ben carson facing backlash again for controversial comments that he's made. this time, the remarks are about nazi germany and the holocaust. the anti-defamation league is now slamming carson for suggesting in his new book just out this week that the holocaust could have been prevented if jews had been better armed, had better access to guns, a view he r

speak, the speaker elect, paul ryan, the state of wisconsin. >> reporter: paul ryan, the reluctant speak, greeted by both republicans and democrats. and then accepting the gavel he had resisted for weeks, and he realized that there was no turning back. >> i felt like the moon and the stars and all of planets had fallen on me. we should all feel that way. a lot is on our shoulders. so if you ever pray, let's pray for each other. republicans, for democrats, and democrats for republicans. >> of iowa >> reporter: ryan's victory was never in doubt. the hardcore fan of conservatives had blocked one speaker, and for the most part, only nine defection. emphasizing what he called a broken institution. >> how assuring would it be if we actually fixed the tax code, put patients in charge of their healthcare, grew our military and lifted people out of poverty and paid down our debt? >> but none of that would be easy. the house is divided. not just along the usual party lines, but within the republican party itself. renegade conservative continue to repeal the spending cuts for the affordable care ac

on paul's message. he wants party unity before he agrees to run. it resonated with me. i thought he did an excellent job, made a great presentation and again, i don't want to step on his message. they should endorse him. i'll leave it at that. >>> till last week's democratic presidential debate, former virginia senator jim webb's presidential campaign had been virtually invisible with webb holding few campaign appearances. today for the first time since he announced his run in july, jim webb finally held his first major press conference to tell eager reporters i'm dropping out of the democratic race. >> i fully accept that my views on many issues are not compatible with the power structure in the nominating base of the democratic party. for this reason, i'm withdrawing from any consideration of being the democratic party's nominee for the presidency. >> webb last seen complaining he wasn't getting enough time to speak in the debate is the first democrat to drop out. he claimed today the democrats are to

in other words, paul ryan. paul ryan is the person, it seems, congressman massey, that everyone is looking to right now. you more or less opposed kevin mccarthy. could you support paul ryan to be the speaker? >> he's intelligent, articulate and a capable chairman. some of my conservative colleagues, remember paul ryan's impassioned pleas for the t.a.r.p., the paul street bailout, he was asking for them toll vote for it several years ago. i don't have a problem with his ideology. i would want to talk to paul ryan about why he kicked conservatives off the budget committee when he was chairman of the budget committee. so, i'm still supporting daniel webster, because he has articulated for changing the process here in washington, d.c. making it functional again. >> just to be clear, that's not a yes on paul ryan. >> that's not a yes. that's a yes for daniel webster. >> is it a no, though, definitively for paul ryan or are you just saying you need to hear more from him? >> i need to hear why he supported t.a.r.p. an

he voted for paul ryan. so the votes being cast against him at this moment are nominal and symbolic. >> john boehner ends nearly a quarter of a century of public service. what did he say and specifically what did he do? >> reporter: an emotional moment for an emotional man. he was moving around a box of tissues which everyone was laughing about, because he tends to tear up when he talks about his roots, and his family, and now he will be out of work. in addition to talking about some of the humble aspects of his life, he talks about what he believes republicans have been able to accomplish under his watch. >> the most significant spending reductions in modern times. we have banned earmarks all together. sorry. [ laughter ]. >> reporter: that's one of those sorry, not sorry, del. now certainly earmarks are something of the past, but getting rid of them has cost trouble on capitol hill. it seemed to be a way that members could do a little bit of horse trading. those days are over. john boehner is talking about

for rand paul it is a big deal. he is sinking in the polls steadily now for several months and this was a state and liberty movement voters for constitiency that he is supposed to wrap up. ted cruz is trying to poach that support and a long- standing wooer of the republican libity voters and he was trying to pick off the rand paul supporters, watch. >> i was elected with the liberty movement they are intgal of our campaign. and i am honored to have the support here in new hampshire and all over the country. you know, when i ran for senate, i was blessed to be endorsed boy ron paul and rand paul. >> you can't get more obvious than that and talking about the rival and his father as well. the cruz campaign has been suggesting that the rand paul folks are trying to stuff the ballot box by picking up folks from kentucky. by the way the super pac support group tried to stuff the ballot box and there is a straw poll. george ta tacky and former governor gilmore and rand paul. and there is a variety of them. and one of them

paul ryan or no paul ryan. and we're told that paul ryan is meeting with the freedom caucus, whose members were supposedly behind mr. webster. who can sort this out better than our own chad pergram. who joins us now. do you know something that dan webster doesn't know? or dan, that you don't know? that the group is still behind him? he says it is, is it? >> it seems that there might be a math problem here. the house freedom caucus has a rule that they vote as a bloc. if 80% of them all agree one way or the other. and that means that voting for the speaker of the house. if you have 247 republicans, you basically need 218 members of the house to become the speaker. you can only lose 30. you can see if there's 40 members, this is kind of an algebra occasion. if you only have 40 members of the freedom caucus and 80% of that. that math doesn't add up. it's generally thought there's a robust group of supporters for paul ryan, pretty muscular. one of the questions they need to get from ryan, do they need his endorseme

>> i love rand paul. i respect him. he is a friend, a good man, a good voice for liberty. i iintend to focus on my record. the question you should is when did you step up and take on leadership not just against the democrats but within your own party and my record is different than any other candidate on the stage in that way. >> cruz has been criticized as being one of boehner's biggest critics. he is wearing this has a badge in contrast to rand paul as he tries to court the libertarian voters which in the live or die free state it is very high >> some of the numbers are so low they will not make the under card debate even. what are they trying to do turn it around? >> an example of that is lindsey graham he is in the middle of a ten-day tour. he was at a gun range in new hampshire yesterday. as part of the bus trip, he will have john mccain on the state and he is the famous for being the first candidate to go to over a hundred town hall meetings. he recognizes he has a sword over his and has to watch ou

that is not the case with rand paul. that is a small amount for him to contribute of the talk of the campaign in trouble. >> we don't know who sheldon likes, correct? >> correct. this is not the superpacs. we could point out rubio backed by a superpac and bush. that's certainly changing the math, too. >> all right. steve, thank you, sir. >>> what we're watching, the live images out of oregon as we can confirm that the president landed on air force one in eugene, oregon. that's the left-hand side of the screen and right hand and shifted to the image of marine one where the president is leaving eugene to go head south down to roseburg. he is going to be visiting with victims of the -- and families from last week's shooting at umpqua community college. those are protesters on the right that have lined up divided community about the president showing up. we're back with more after this. surprise!!!!! we heard you got a job as a developer! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new la

on paul's message. he wants party unity before he agrees to run. it resonated with me. i thought he did an excellent job, made a great presentation and again, i don't want to step on his message. they should endorse him. look at us back in school! i had the whitest smile. now i'm going to show up to the reunion with this whole situation. oh please. do what i'm doing. use crest whitestrips! crest 3d white whitestrips... remove 14 years of stains. i knew i recognized that smile. crest 3d white whitestrips the way to whiten. called "squamous non-smallced luncell",er previously treated with platinum-based chemotherapy, it's not every day something this big comes along. a chance to live longer... with opdivo, nivolumab. opdivo is the first and only immunotherapy fda approved based on a clinical trial demonstrating longer life for these patients. in fact, opdivo significantly increased the chance of living longer versus chemotherapy. opdivo is different. it works with your immune system. opdivo can cause your

and if paul ryan isn't viable. if he the only widely known name on this chart, the only name that people say nice things about, if he's not even a viable candidate for speaker, then maybe none of the people who have been mentioned as potential speakers are actually viable as potential speakers. maybe none of the 20 of them could be elected speaker. we went through this process earlier this year and had the giant chart of all the potential republican candidates for president and when a few said they wouldn't run, like john bolton said they wouldn't run, we poofed them off the list. there are a lot of republicans still running for president, but the ones out of the running, we poofed off the list. if we apply that same discipline to this other republican leadership vacuum. if we want to poof off the list all the republicans who really can't make it, who aren't in the running when it comes to being speaker, there's no way they'll be a viable candidate, if you do that, here's how you have to poof off the list. you read

the next speaker of the house, paul ryan? >> if he decides to do it, he would be an amazing speaker. he has got to decide on his own. >> there is a good chance. >> i will not run against paul ryan. gets theyan nomination, i would support paul ryan. >> his time is now. many of us believe you will answer the call. >> i think he has gone from a hard no to he knows he has to consider it. all of us are trying to understand he understands the support will be behind him if he chooses to do it. >> mitt romney's 2012 running mate in the current ways and means chairman is under pressure from all sides to run for the speakership. his answer is no, definitely not, almost certainly not. probably not. mark, does that mean he is going to definitively be the guy? mark: he might be. right now, it is the most likely option. there is a recess for 10 days. he will talk to his wife and have his first serious conversation about it. his dream job is to be chairman of ways and means. he has never wanted to be speaker. he understands most people in t

paul has said the right things this week, and paul's a leader, a smart man. but ultimately no matter who goes in that position if they don't change the process, then they're going to have issues and problems going forward and that's what's so important. one of the reasons why i put out unity plan because it really is process more than person. neil: all right. we know he's -- well, a conservative guy, he's drawn the line. i guess pretty much like john boehner if you want to parallel that to mitch mcconnell in the senate that a government shut down isn't the way to go about playing your leverage hand. what do you make of that? >> well, i would agree. there are some things here we have to make sure. we've got to make sure that we keep the full credit and full faith of credit in the country with our debt ceiling, we have to make sure we don't shut down the government. neil: people like donald trump say you do that, you take away a key bargaining shot. what do you think. >> well, again, it shouldn't be an easy -- it should not be an easy up or down, we should have

cynthia: hillary clinton also knocked paul for his comments about gay rights in the workplace. i'm told some of the drake students took off their rand paul for president stickers after he made those comments. stacey. stacey: fellow republican presidential candidate carly fiorina is in windsor heights tonight for a chili fundraiser. this is the latest stop on fiorina's swing through iowa. earlier today, she help a town -- she held a town hall meeting in the western iowa town of spencer. there she commented on president obama's decision to hold 5500 beyond the end of the year. ms. fiorina: he now is recognizing that afghanistan is becoming potentially a haven for isis and that the taliban is not on the wane as he has tried to convince the american people of for years. it's growing in strength. stacey: the latest fox news poll has fiorina in 6th place with 5%. donald trump leads with 24%, a slight edge over ben carson with 23%. kevin: hearings on a proposed oil pipeline through iowa don't start for another month. but protests got underway today outside the iowa utilities board off

i believe paul. other people say that and you know it is standard rhetoric, but paul is for real. i'm not close to paul ryan, but i admire him, know him and i have tremendous respect for him. >> definitely taking on one of the toughest jobs there is. thank you congressman king for joining us. joining me is dana lash, and ana navarra. day a na, what do you think? will he get the backing of all of the disparate groups? >> that's a great question. optically paul ryan is a good choice, he's of good temperament. he has youth on his side. he is a good messenger. he is one of those in the house, one of the few adept at taking something policy wise very far in the weeds and presenting it in laymen's terms and he's been grouped a while by john boehner. but that being said where you have the freedom caucus and grassroots, they're concerned about his past, particularly the fact that he's really never met a bailout he didn't like, he supported part d, no child left behind, tarp, and it's the company with whom he's kept. while john boehner has been the face, make no mistake it's been paul ryan

on paul's message. he wants party unity before he agrees to run. it resonated with me. i thought he did an excellent job, made a great presentation and again, i don't want to step on his message. they should endorse him. i'll leave it at that. working w. companies everywhere are working harder and investing more. but achieving the right outcomes has never been more difficult. xerox engineers a better way for people, process and technology to work together. improving how the world shops, travels, pleases customers, learns, banks, and stays healthy, so... life works better. work can work better. with xerox. this bale of hay cannot be controlled. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring, the owners had to act fast. thankfully, mary miller banks with chase for business. and with greater financial clarity and a relationship built for the unexpec

>> i would strongly support paul ryan as speaker. i think the conditions he laid out are done in a very positive way. saying he said he would be -- is willing to take arrows in the chest, but not in the back. he wants everyone to buy in, and he will be looking for endorsement of all the major groups, including the tuesday group, the more moderate -- and the freedom caucus, and he said that the endorsement of all of them. otherwise he said he would be the third log on the fire, and he doesn't want that. if he's going to be the speaker, it probably will be the end of his political career, probably won't go further than this. he wants to make it worth while. he believes in the cause rather than in just the political gamesmanship, and he also indicated he does not want to spend as much time fund-raising. it will be policy oriented and selling the republican message. >> we showed our viewers the podium, congressman ryan is expected to come out and speak. we'll obviously bring that to the viewers live. i just want to apologize in advance f

paul ryan could do that now. but paul ryan knows the job of the speaker ultimately, there are must-pass pieces of legislation. they involve making sure there's no debt ceiling default, they involve keeping the government funded, keeping the government open. and ultimately, he is going to have to, if he becomes speaker, cut those deals with the obama white house, with the democrats, to keep the government open, to avoid some kind of a default on the debt ceiling. and ultimately, when he cuts that deal, it doesn't matter how much trust the right has in him right now. there is a very, very good chance he will be called a traitor by the same people who are propping him up right now. and if you're paul ryan and you have some kind of ambition, some kind of political ambition that extends beyond the house, some kind of national political ambition, potentially, that job is a trap for you because the base of the party could very quickly revolt on you, not to mention the simple fact that it would be one heck of a headache.

that's my fear for paul. that's why paul has been guarded or hesitant in wanting to accept this position. we need to hear from paul ryan to see how he feels about this decision of the freedom caucus. i don't know how he'll take it. >> can i get your response to that matt salmon quote about you're try to hire a maid and the maid will only work certain hours. i found that such a strange metaphor. number one, we're talking about speaker of the house of the united states. people talking about this job in this way that just seems completely ahistorical. this is a job for i think it's safe to say hundreds of yours in other republic, people have done anything in their power to attain. suddenly things are so dysfunctional that he's comparing it to a low paid service job? >> well, i find it ironic that some of the members who represent a minority of the house republican conference have made demands on the speaker candidates, but when paul ryan, who is running for speaker, makes demands on the members, the same members

the ball is in paul ryan scored. court. -- paul ryan's this is not about crowning a king, it is about working together by making sure every member feels empowered. that is from the hill. here is outgoing speaker john boehner talking about this eager raise from earlier today -- the speaker race from earlier today. speaker boehner: today, the president has on his desk a bipartisan national defense authorization bill. the bill provides our troops with the resources they need to keep america safe. it meets the funding levels that the president requested. yet, the president has vowed to veto it. why? because he wants to stop and spend more money on his domestic agenda. it's time to put our troops first, it's time to stop playing political games. iranian terrorists soon are going to have access to billions of dollars as a result of the president's nuclear deal. it's no time to block funding for our troops in the critical mission that they have ahead. mr. mccarthy: good morning, all. quickly give you a little snapshot we ha