penn: ok. i would say that i was able to answer your questions in the body of the article to completion. though some may -- i have big fans of my prose and those who think it's garbage. it is to be expected -- i not only expect it but respected. i did my best to give the sense of an answer. to try to tell you that i have an answer is ludicrous. this man is a pillar for a bigger subject. my interest was the bigger subject. charlie: what is the bigger subject? does this man have any answers at how to get at the drug problem which is the scourge of the world? mr. penn: i don't what to speculate on answers that we didn't get to and conversations that we did not have. i would say that i believe that anyone who reads the article who really reads it, so many clearly had not who were commenting on it -- they will know as valuable what i was able to find out as i do. i do not think i left out anything deeper. i have been to pakistan. i was in karachi, i was in benghazi with chris stevens during the nato

. >> penn: yeah. i mean we followed the protocols laid out by them in terms of-- in terms of communications and so on, as well as travel. >> rose: so as far as you know, you had nothing to do, and-- and your visit had nothing to do with his-- recapture? >> penn: the things-- here's the things that we know. we know that the mexican government has-- is-- is-- they've been very humiliated by the original escape. >> penn: they were clearly very humiliated by the notion that someone found him before they did. well, nobody found him before they did. we didn't-- we're not smarter than the d.e.a. or the mexican intelligence. we had a contact upon which we were able to facilitate an invitation that allowed us in. >> rose: what we know now from transcripts of texts released by the mexican government is that el chapo was interested in the actress. he didn't even know who sean penn was. was it naive of you, naive, to believe that you could come to mexico, meet with kate del castillo, and go see el chapo without s

let me... >> penn: but you've got to look at this person as a-- as a person. >> rose: okay. >> penn: or you're never gonna have-- or if the-- if the argument-- if-- if all we aim to understand is that this is a very bad person, then let's not understand anything else. >> rose: you wanted to have a conversation about the policy of a war on drugs. >> penn: that's right. >> rose: that was the motivating factor for you-- >> penn: with-- with the reader. >> rose: with the reader. >> penn: with-- with him, i wanted to sit, observe, ask him questions. and then use that as a-- as an anchor into this article. >> rose: what did he say? why did he accept? >> penn: well, i-- i can't read his mind. >> rose: yeah, but you talk to him, and you know the characters involved. i would say that, you know, from the conversation that was had, he, in several ways-- wanted to be on the record. >> rose: how sean penn came to be on the record with el chapo is a tale. penn knew of a mexican tv and movie star who had caught chapo's attention. kate del castillo had once played a drug lord on a telenovela. chapo

penn was. was it naive of you, naive, to believe that you could come to mexico, meet with kate del castillo, and go see el chapo without somebody knowing about it? >> penn: i assumed they knew about it. and i say so in the article. i was-- i was stunned-- that-- that he would risk our trip. i was stunned. >> rose: el chapo met with them and he agreed to a future meeting including a formal interview with sean penn eight days later. when the manhunt grew more intense, the face-to-face interview became too risky. instead, penn sent a list of questions and el chapo recorded his answers. the questions were not confrontional. they included el chapo growing up in poverty and who he blamed for the drug problem. you understand that a lot of people, a lot of people would conversation, in a sense, to see how he would react if you wanted to hold him accountable for his life. >> penn: uh-huh. >> rose: did you-- >> penn: or-- or-- >> rose: consider that? or? >> penn: it just meanshat, if somebody wants me to

while many are criticizing sean penn for meeting with el chapo, the fact is penn's article helped bring the drug kingpin down, so good for him. (cheers and applause) yeah, kind of a good thing. i don't know how much he's clapping about that right now. and we're living in the era of citizen journalists, so let's just appreciate penn's journalistic skills. here's an excerpt from the article's beginning. "i feel naked without pen and paper. so i only ask questions one couldn't forget the answers to..." (laughter) jesus christ, you went to write an article and you forgot the actual instruments of writing? how can you forget to bring a pen? your last name's penn! (laughter) (applause) how did that happen! ahhh! okay. but surely he brought a computer -- "at 55 years old, i've never learned to use a laptop. do they still make laptops? no (bleep) idea!" "do they still make laptops?" in the time it took for you to type this question, you could have requested, like, anyone nearby and gotten an answer. this is literally the exact opposite of investigative journalism. (applause) suddenly, his perfo

>> penn: uh-huh. i would say that, you know, from the conversation that was had, he, in several ways-- wanted to be on the record. >> rose: how sean penn came to be on the record with el chapo is a tale. penn knew of a mexican tv and movie star who had caught chapo's attention. kate del castillo had once played a drug lord on a telenovela. chapo was a fan. they kept in touch through texts and social media. last august, del castillo and penn met and she agreed to arrange a meeting with el chapo. in october, penn, del castillo and two others traveled by small plane and truck into cartel- controlled territory. they were escorted by one of el chapo's sons. >> penn: i was baffled at his will to see us. nonetheless-- >> rose: because you-- thought he might be putting himself at risk. i mean we followed the protocols laid out by them in terms of-- in terms of communications and so on, as well as travel. >> rose: so as far as you know, you had nothing to do, and-- and your visit had nothing to do with his-- r

. >> penn: uh-huh. >> rose: did you-- >> penn: or-- or-- or? means that, if somebody wants me to ask the questions that they want me to ask-- >> rose: right. >> penn: well, there's that little pro they're not me. so any experiential-- >> rose: and you had no-- but-- but just tell me this. did you have no interest?any interest in understanding how he justified, felt about, made decisions,rtel. >> penn: i have a fascination... >> rose: that is so powerful? >> penn: ...with all of that. >> rose: penn's "rolling stone"d word, sometimes rambling, often gripping account of the el chapo meeting. it was published the day after chapo was recaptured and itdline. >> penn: my article should not have made this much noise. el chapo should not have been this popular a figure to read about.a-- he was a figure that people read about and talked about before you ever went to mexico. >> penn: oh, i-- i'm-- i'm well >> rose: what about those who he likes being in the center of this. he's an adventurer. he thinks of himself as a writernter thompson with a kind of ex

el chapo and sean penn. their shocking meeting, the world's most wanted drug lord and an oscar winner deep in a secret mountain hideaway? now mexican authorities want to know where it all happened and when and who's the mexican actress who made it all come together? you're live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm fredricka whitfield. stunning new details in the capture of the world's most wanted man, el chapo guzman, and the secret meeting with a hollywood celebrity that may have led to the drug lord's arrest. after years of planning, after sean penn secured a confidential meeting with the drug kingpin at an undislowe'sed location in mexico to write a feature-length article for roll"rolling stone" magazi magazine. this happened last okt. "rolling stone" also obtained a two-minute video believed to be guzman's first recorded interview in decades. >> penn's meeting was made possible by a mutual connection, mexican actress, kate del castillo. now mexican authorities want to question both actors. it's unclear if there wi

you can look for sean penn, authorities can find sean penn, but does he have to cooperate? he has a right against self-incrimination and all of 0 the constitutional rights certainly that, you know, an american would have. so, in light of that without knowing more, fredricka, i don't see the criminality involved. >> matthew, you've heard on cnn here there are conflicting reports about whether mexican authorities knew about where el chapo was. before this "rolling stone" magazine went to print, so do you see conceivably that authorities would be able to track el chapo and sit on it for months before going in to capture him. to what advantage? >> if there were a tactical advantage that placed people's likes at risks, perhaps. he's known as one of the most violent and dangerous criminals in the worlden being wanted adds to that pie. there's a slew of people by their behavior sort of implicit in some sort of criminality because, let's face it, that plan, as you described, required careful planning, execution, and at the end of the day, there were any number of people from sean p

. >>> sean penn's latest role, el chapo's hollywood connection. did their secret meeting in mexico lead to the fugitive drug lord's arrest? is the oscar winner now in legal trouble? >>> the power ball jackpot bounces over $1 billion. leading millions to try, try again. >>> the fbi busts a young woman suspected of stealing millions of dollars in jewels from stores across the south. >>> the playboy mansion may be up for sale. it's sold. >> this is the "cbs overnight news." >> welcome to the overnight news, i'm jeff glor. >>> he has made news on and off-screen for decades but this may have been his biggest role yet. now he's hearing the critics' reviews. sean penn's secret meeting with the world's most wanted drug lord. joaquin chapo guzman. authorities say that meeting which took place while penn was on assignment played a role in el chapo being recaptured on friday. we begin with meg oliver. >> reporter: it's an unassuming backdrop for an interview with the most notorious drug kingpin in the world, the first he has given in decades. the questions c

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the "boston herald" has "penn pals." and variety reports on sean penn's appearance at a beverly hills fund-raiser. when asked to talk about el chapo, the actor said, i can't, and then walked away. plenty much more to explore on this story throughout this hour and there may be a legal fallout. did sean penn and that mexican actress break any laws here in the united states or in mexico? we'll talk about that in about 20 minutes. >>> to politics. a new poll shows the clinton camp may be on the ropes and ted cruz is on the rise. sanders is in the lead in new hampshire. he's within striking distance in iowa, too. again within the margin of error. effectively tied. ted cruz has made a dramatic climb to the top himself. gained nearly 20 points in the hawkeye state. political editor carrie dan joins me to break it all down. good sunday to you. a lot to pull from these numbers you have been going through for us on this sunday. and the rule seems to be if you are getting attacked in this election cycle, you are probably a serious

not even sean penn will find me." among those condemning penn is republican presidential candidate marco rubio (marco rubio, republican presidential candidate) "if one of these american actors, who have benefited from the greatness of this country, who have made money from our free-enterprise system want to go fond all over a criminal and a drug trafficker in their interviews, they have a constitutional right to do it. i find it grotesque." in the end, it seems, el chapo wanted to have the meeting, an interview that might've cost him his freedom. extradition proceedings are underway... to bring guzman to the u-s to face seven drug- related indictments. a source at the attorney general's office says the whole process could take up to a year - or longer. authorities in italy... aren't ruling out any suspects in the mysterious death of an american woman. police are treating the death of 35-year-old ashley olsen as a homicide from florida was last seen at a florence nightclub late thursday evening. the following day - she

sean penn is obviously facing some public ridicule tonight. a guy who has met with individuals or states who were hostile to the u.s. before, hugo chavez, raul castro in cuba years ago, went to iran a decade ago. he faces that public ridicule, he is unlikely to face legal repercussions, why is that? >> not only unlikely, he is not going to face legal repercussions. and the reason is really simple. we may believe in a moral code that says if you see something, say something. but that's not a duty imposed by law. there is no duty for sean penn to have to inform authorities when he is going to go meet even with someone who is wanted by if it were a reporter who got this interview, who got to go on a plane and even was blind folded which penn was not, and in the dead of night, and got to get this interview, that reporter would have no duty to have to tell the authorities either. >> glor: all right, now let's talk about joaquin guzman. the issue of extradition came up before, mexico resisd, did not want to send him back to the u.s they seem more am

later if penn sent questions by blackberry. in the tape sent back to penn guzman defends his work saying, where i grew up there was no other way and there still isn't a way to survive. no other way to work on our economy, to be able to make a living. the interpreter also asked, are you prone to violence or do you use it as a last resort? guzman responds, look, all i do is defend myself, nothing more. never. mexican authorities would of course disagree. it is believed guzman is responsible for more than 30,000 deaths. now they're working on starting the extradition process but say they haven't taken a position on sean penn. >> meg oliver, thank you. >>> let's bring in cbs news legal analyst rikki klieman. good to see you. sean penn is obviously facing some public ridicule. this is the guy who's met with individuals or states who are hostile to the u.s., hugo chavez, raul castro in cuba, went to iran a decade ago. he faces that public ridicule he is unlikely to face legal repercussions, why is that? >> not only unlikely, he is no

sean penn is not a journalist, he's an actor. the fact that we got more information and this lead led to the recapture of guzman, so the end result is pretty good. a lot of information in that article gave us insight into who this person is, how he thinks, this lifestyle and led to his ultimate capture. i applaud sean penn for doing it. jon: here is one of his lines. he's talking about how he expected to find el chapo to be soulless. he says soullessness. wasn't it soullessness that i must perceive in him for myself to be perceived as other than an apologist? i tried shard folks and reminded myself over and over the devastation existing in all corners of the narco world. this simple man from a simple place surrounded by the simple affections of his sons towards their father and his towards them does not strike me as the big bad wolf. >> he is an apologist explaining sure he has killed people, but only if it's really necessary. he's a businessman first sean penn writes and he resorts to that only when it would help his business. y

sean penn is obviously facing me public ridicule.. this is the guy who's met with individuals or states who are hostile to the u.s., hugo chavez, raul castro in cuba, went to iran a decade ago. he faces that public ridicule he is unlikely to face legal repercussions, why is that? >> not only unlikely, he is not repercussions. the reason is simple. that says if you see something, say something. but that's not a duty imposed by law. there is no duty for sean penn to have to inform authorities when he is going to go meet even with someone who is wanted by the law. if it were a reporter who got this interview, who got to go on a plane and d en was blindfolded, which penn was not, and brought in the dead of night and got to get this interview? that reporter would have no duty to have to tell the authorities either. >> let's talk about joaquin guzman. the issue of extradition came up before. mexico resisted, did not want to send him back to the u.s. they seem more amenable to that now. y is that and how might that prpress play out? >> they

by the way a big part of it is sean penn! sean penn his travel into the depths of this jungle to meet "el chapo," but you make a very good point that there are a lot of people have been lost throughout this, you know, tragic violence. >> how about the cops? look at all the innocent people, all the cops that have been killed? this guy, we're so lucky, i meant that tongue-in-cheek a little bit, about sean penn actually making arrest. think about the past even with chavez. even through surveillance and other items he doesn't work through the state department. he is not a real journalist. it is easy for the government to follow him, intercept calls. >> we have to be careful about this because real journalists don't have to on obligation to be arm of law enforcement. we're under no obligation to report these things, but from human standpoint -- by the way i'm not sure mexicans really used sean penn to track down this guy. if i hadn't been able to find him and sean penn did i would say -- trish: convenient excuse. >> right. >> i'm

not even sean penn will find me. >> meanwhile it may be no laughing matter for sean penn, mexican authorities want to talk to him. nick valencia is live in mexico city with the latest on all the fallout. >> reporter: good morning. the formal paperwork has been filed for can interest tradi ex. an official tells me we could expect el chapo in a u.s. courtroom as early as this summer. meanwhile we're hearing from the drug kingpin for the first time in his own words. he talks about his life and his role in the world of drug trafficking. in a two minute clip posted to "rolling stone".com over the weekend, joaquin "el chapo" guzman gives an exclusive interview to caitlin castillo and sean penn. >> translator: it's a reality that drugs destroy. unfortunately, as i said, where i grew up there is no other way. there still isn't. a way to survive. another way to work. >> reporter: el chapo speaking while on the run, followup question for a face-to-face meeting he had with penn in october. >> translator: all i do 1 defend mysel

sean penn is obviously facing some public ridicule. this is the guy who's met with individuals or states who are hostile to the u.s., hugo chavez, raul castro in cuba, went to iran a decade ago. he faces that public ridicule he is unlikely to face legal repercussions, why is that? >> not only unlikely, he is not going to face legal repercussions. the reason is simple. we may believe in a moral code that says if you see something, say something. but that's not a duty imposed by there is no duty for sean penn to have to inform authorities when he is going to go meet even with someone who is wanted by the law. if it were a reporter who got this interview, who got to go on a plane and even was blindfolded, which penn was not, and brought in the dead of night and got to get this interview? that reporter would have no duty to have to tell the authorities either. >> let's talk about joaquin guzman. the issue of extradition came up before. mexico resisted, did not want to send him back to the u.s. they seem more amenable to that now. why is th

the big interview with sean penn and joaquin "el chapo" guzman. >> sean penn drawing criticism for keeping his whereabouts a secret. matt guttman is in mexico where the process has begun to bring el chapo to the u.s. >> reporter: that staged handshake documenting sean penn's secret meeting with the world's most-wanted drug lord. and then this stunning video posted to "rolling stone's" website. the video testimonial shot by one of his lieutenants for penn and mega-star kate del castillo, his long-time jail penpal, who he hoped would make a bio pic about his life. el chapo unrepentant about narcotics trafficking. quoting, he's acknowledging he's the world's biggest drug lord with "a fleet of submarines, airplanes, trucks, and boats." two of those planes, penn writes, were used to ferry the academy award winner to el chapo's jungle hideout. penn said the seven-hour conversation was consummated by tequila and secured by clandestine blackberry messages between the two. now a different photo op. el chapo arrested, muscled toward a chopper. his face twisted toward the camera. he nearly escaped ag

that big interview with sean penn and joaquin guzman el chapo. >> actor sean penn scoring the interview. most wanted fugitive in the world but drawing criticism for keeping his whereabouts a secret. matt gutman is in mexico where the process has begunton bring el chapo to the u.s. >> reporter: that staged handshake documenting sean penn's secret meeting with the world's most wanted drug lord. and then this stunning video posted to "rolling stones" website. the video testimonial, shot by one of his lieutenants for penn and mexican soap opera plaeg star kate del castillo his long time jail pen pal who he hoped would make a biopic about his life. amidst the squawking, he's unme pentent about drug trafficking acknowledges he's the world's biggest drug lord with a fleet of submarines, airplanes, trucks and boats. two of those planes, penn writes, were used to ferry the academy award winner to el chapo's hideout. ten-says the seven-hour conversation was consummated by tequila and clandestine blackberry messages between the actress and el chapo. but a different picture. he was arrested, face t

you recognize at least one of them, sean penn. certainly have some explaining to do about how they found one of the world's most elusive drug lords when nobody else was able to. it's hard to find time to keep up on my shows. that's why i switched from u-verse to xfinity. now i can download my dvr recordings and take them anywhere. ready or not, here i come! (whispers) now hide-and-seek time can also be catch-up-on-my-shows time. here i come! can't find you anywhere! don't settle for u-verse. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. recapture of the notorious drug lord el chapo guzman has everything that perhaps you would see in a movie, bad guy, shoot-out, perp walk back to prison but none is fictional, it all real. and also, stunning news that actor sean penn was able to interview el chapo before any authors in the united states or in mexico were able to find him. want to talk about all of this with brian stelter, cnn media skoer correspondent, legal analyst, danny cevallos. before i get to the two of them, let's ge

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according to penn, this picture authenticates that meeting. in the rest of the interview conducted by messenger, penn quotes el chapo saying i supply more heroin, cocaine and marijuana on friday the attorney general said guzman's desire to make a movie about himself and interaction with producers and actors led to his arrest. a mexican official confirms investigators were able to learn details of el chapo's whereabouts from intercepted phone calls from del castillo and penn. >> i think the mexican authorities want to identify as many people closely associated with el chapo as they can. >> reporter: trusted source tells nbc news that authorities wear ware that penn and del castillo were in mexico to meet with guzman in october as law enforcement was closing in a planned arrest sweep was delayed to assure the two would not be harmed. when the raid eventually took place, el chapo and his security team escaped. it wasn't until three months later, friday morning that the mexican navy captured el chapo following a shootout in his home state. this 't