i think nato, you have to really examine nato. it does not really help us it is , helping other countries. i don't think those other countries appreciate what we are doing. john: just to be clear -- you made two slightly different arguments, i want to clarify. one was that you want to see the u.s. pay less into nato. donald trump: definitely. john: but it is possible that nato is obsolete. donald trump: i would certainly look at it. i would want help from others. one thing definitely, we are paying too much. as to whether or not it is obsolete, i will determine that . mark: up next, more with our interview with donald trump including thoughts about using nuclear weapons against the islamic state. ♪ ♪ donald trump: i think i would be very late compared to my opponents that are running. people do not realize, i know a lot of people like to say, he actually was for the iraq war. i was against the iraq war. many months before it started, i was like, i don't know. this is the first time. in all fairness, i have been a great busines

with nato. and then from the turkish prime minister on the left, these are historic times. we face a terrible threat on the southern border, that being syria. at he talked about the extent of the refugee crisis, 2.7 machine refugees inside turkey and more waiting to cross. threats from daesh, from pkk and from y pg all groups he describes as terrorists. and that the russian attacks were more against civilians according to this man than against terrorist groups. shoulder to shoulder we stand with nato said the turkish prime minister. nato echoing those sentiments. now the deadlines expire for relatives on board the missing flight 370 to file any claims of compensation. the plane which had 239 on board disappeared two years ago, having taken off from kuala lumpur on its way to beijing where it nery arrived. most of the passengers were chinese and the wait for what happened has taken its toll, as you can understand, on some. we'll report more on that a little bit later. okay, to zimbabwe. remote co

they could because it made it if nato so desired by nato. we have a command-and-control capability to do so. we have assets that can be deployed and are already the point, early warning radar aircraft for example, to assist in the fight. inre are a variety of ways which not only the united states, but every other nato country contributes, could have a role to play to deal with the threats we face, whether that is the threat of a resurgent russia or the threat of terrorism. i asked if nato could play a bigger role dealing with the migration crisis, and that point was big and is only gotten bigger. it was not something nato had a responsibility for or there was no role for nato to play. do respect that? >> nato has deployed a naval operation that has cooperated with turkey and greece and the capacity, for the european union, to exchange information and gather andlligence on smuggling, find ships that are in need and both that are in need to be able to come to the rescue. nato is now already involved. it could do more if the flow of folks acros

to nato, he advocated withdrawing from nato. that is a terrible idea and it is striking that the day after he called for that, we saw a tragic attack in brussels. we should not withdraw. we should be strengthening the alliance with europe and israel and, if donald trump had his way, if america withdrew, we would hand a massive victory to vladimir putin and isis. the idea that donald trump wants the presidency to begin with preemptive surrender, that is weakness and it is striking that donald trump's foreign policy is to the left of barack obama and hillary clinton. they are not arguing withdrawing from nato. yet don't know the seems unable to distinguish our friends from our enemies. aipac speech may. reposition him. sen. cruz: he said many times that he would be neutral. the fat p read a speech someone wrote for him off by teleprompter that attended to reflectingisrael is -- anyone who cannot distance between israel, between the forces that protect innocent civilians and islamic terrorists that seek to murder us, that raises qu

we should readjust nato. it has to be readjusted to take care of terrorism or we have to set up a new coalition, a new group of countries to handle terrorism. because terrorism is out of control. >> but ukraine is not a member of nato. there are no u.s. troops involved in ukraine? >> i'm not saying they're a member. what i'm saying about ukraine -- we're talking -- when russia is going into ukraine, we immediately get nato. i don't hear from the other countries. i don't hear having to do with ukraine. i don't hear from the other countries in nato. i don't hear from germany. i only hear from the united states. we've gotta do this. we're constantly telling russia and it's all fine if everybody partakes. i don't see other people partaking. then you say, why are we paying, jon, why are we paying disproportionately the cost of nato? we're paying a tremendous amount more than we should be from the standpoint of proportion. i look at that. i look at the fact that it was a long time ago. there's nothing wrong with sa

mark: let's go back to nato. let's say i am saying, we spend a lot of money on nato, they don't seem to be fighting isis. where is the threat from russia today that nato is preventing? what is the role of nato right now? beyond the symbolism of standing with europe? what is the actual mission? ted cruz: nato has been the most effective military alliance of modern times. nato effectively stood up to the soviet union in the cold war. the idea that russia does not pose a threat -- russia is invading its neighbors. russia has invaded ukraine, russia is threatening the baltics. russia is threatening much of europe, and nato is a strategic alliance. and nato should be a vehicle for going after isis. if we had american leadership --and nato does not work without american leadership. if we had american leadership, nato could play a critical role in utterly destroying isis. now, donald's approach is to withdraw and hide and somehow he thinks the bad guys will leave us alone. president obama tried that. that is called lead

i think nato, you have to really examine nato. it does not really help us, it is helping other countries. i don't think those other countries appreciate what we are doing. john: just to be clear, you made two slightly different arguments, i want to clarify. one was that you want to see the u.s. pay less into nato. donald trump: definitely. john: but it is possible that nato is obsolete. donald trump: i would certainly look at it. i would want help from others. one thing definitely, we are paying too much. as to whether or not it is obsolete, i will determine that. mark: up next, more with our interview with donald trump including thoughts about using , nuclear weapons against the islamic state. ♪ ♪ donald trump: i think i would be very late compared to my opponents that are running. people do not realize, i know a lot of people like to say, he actually was for the iraq war. i was against the iraq war. many months before it started, i was like, i don't know. this is the first time. in all fairness, i have been a great businessm

i think nato, you have to really examine nato. us, it is helping other countries. i don't think those other countries appreciate what we are doing. john: just to be clear -- you made two slightly different arguments, one was that you want to see the u.s. pay less into nato. donald trump: definitely. but -- donald trump: i would want help from others. one thing definitely, we are paying too much. as to whether or not it is obsolete, i will determine that chris mark: up next, more with our interview with donald trump including thoughts about using nuclear weapons against the islamic state. ♪ ♪ donald trump: i think i would be very late compared to my opponents that are running. people do not realize, i know a lot of people like to say, he actually was for the iraq war. i was against it. many months before it started, i was like, i don't know. in all fairness, i have been a great businessman over the years. by the time that started, plenty of proof on it, let the of articles from that time or early on, hillary clinton wanted to do it. hillary clinton would be such

you think are going to shape the nato summit? mercier the main lessons are --gen. mercier: the main lessons are when you deal at the political level, you need to base your scenarios on real scenarios so that you can inform the reality of the decision. that is very important. otherwise, some can cap -- forget about the reality. when you're talking about high responsiveness, and have a strong that goes from the top down to this article level. we draw some lessons from that. one of them is the need to have a permanent strategy that covers all of these levels, and we have a lot of initiatives in nato implemented in this area, but we could do much better, especially a the way we could connect boundary that would lead us to future hybrid scenarios. so, it was very interesting -- this event, to link military reality and political issues. vago: during the cold war, obviously, the political leadership was always engaged on matters, even up and through nuclear planning, nuclear exercising, for example. enoughsee -- is there progress being

for a lot of nato. it is helping them more than it is helping us. . look at ukraine we are the one who always wants to go to war with russia over ukraine. we are always fighting, and putting up a lot of money for nato, this proportion. we put up a lot of money for a lot of countries. we defend south korea, japan, germany. we put up a lot of money, then the $1 wonder -- trillion. when you look at our military, is very interesting. it is not really for us. we are defending everyone else. we are defending the whole world. mark: should america be the leader of nato are not necessarily? obsolete.nato is it was set up many years ago, when things were different. i think nato, you have to examine. it does not help us, it is helping other countries. i don't think those other countries appreciate what we are doing. john: you made two slightly different arguments. one is you would like the u.s. to pay slightly less. the one thing definitely, we are paying too much. mark: up next, more of our interview with trump,

in terms of nato as a target, nato will be a hard target for the terrorists. the bases are well defended. the military is quite capable and well armed. i suspect we will see more attack on soft targets like here at the airport. >> what does it say to you that the state department an you spent four years living there at nato headquarters in belgium has issued this shelter in place order to all americans who maybe visiting belgium right now? >> i think it is very good advice. as paul cruickshank has mentioned several times today, we don't know the full extent of what additional ammunition is in the locker so to speak. clearly this is a jump attack. when the leader was captured, i think a lot of elements flushed. there could be another round or two. the brunt thing is to stay tight, stay indoors and let the authorities do their thing. >> paul you agree the timing of the attack coming a few days after the arrest of salah abdeslam is related? >> i think that's plausible. given the fact that he was starting to cooperate in some way with investigators, some of his co

my answers are nato is obsolete. we're spending too much money on nato. we're paying the lion's share. we're spending tremendous amounts of money on something that was many, many decades ago. and the world has changed. it's a different place. there's no emphasis on terror with nato. and frankly, if there is, you need different countries. because it involves different countries. nato is very obsolete and it should be readjusted for change and frankly other people should also bear the brunt. why are we paying so much? >> you're right -- i just found out that we pay for 72% of all defense costs and only 5 of the 28 nations pay what they're required to do and that's 2% of the gdp on defense. >> right. >> it turns out you're right about that. but in terms of nato, with the reinvigorated russian aggression in the area, it's the only thing that keeps the eastern european nation from being overrun.

jane: what can nato do in this situation? nato we look back on how got involved in libya to begin with, we should remember that was not a discrete decision. it was a result of the united nations calling upon nato with 2 19 70 and 1973. they asked nato to protect the people of libya. i think it is highly unlikely that nato would desire or decide to embark in a campaign in libya without another u.n. resolution. jane: what can they do? we have seen a broader policing role at these crossing points, but what can they do without that resolution, and what is the likelihood of them getting extra authorization? very low likelihood of additional authorization. russia and china would probably block such a resolution. nato can do with they are doing in the aegean sea. to use maritime capabilities of the alliance along the small water-space along libya and malta, the boot of italy, , we could essentially put a maritime blockade is in place to capture the migrants and return them to libya. it would be full of holes. it would be difficult t

nato is costing us a fortune. and yes, we're protecting europe with nato, but we're spending a lot of money. number one, i think the totribution of costs has change. i think nato as a concept is good, but it's not as good as it was when it first evolved. -- not onlywe bear financially -- but we bear the biggest brunt of it. today, ted cruz and john kasich paused in their response to the brussels bombing to criticize trump for his position. also saidh: mr. trump we should be downplaying our involvement in nato and i don't think that makes any sense at all. i think we need to be even stronger as an alliance. mr. cruz donald trump's proposal to withdraw from nato, to is sadlyfrom europe consistent with his statement that he intends to be neutral with israel and the palestinians. week so, is trump on political footing with his -- weak policy or political footing with his stance on nato? john: there is no doubt that he will get ripped for these comments and he started to get a e bit of it immediately after. that theoti

. >> i don't mind nato but it what to be reconstituted we need to modernize nato, we should not be paying for the -- we're paying this so much, we're a nation thatos 19 trillion. reporter: cruz pounds trump as an ir isolationist, what does not know what he is talking about. >> that a catastrophically foolish proposition, aban bonds europe. that makes mo sense. no sense. reporter: cruz is playing for a big win in wisconsin, trump took last week off the trail, there is a two week break before they move east. lou: carl thank you. >> trump and cruz exchanging fire over attacks on their wives, trump they'd cruz campaign bought rights to gq photo shoot of melania trump. here it is. >> he is the one that started it. from when i hear, he and his campaign bought the cover shoot, his campaign bought the rights and gave it to the super pac, they are very friendly to ted cruz he knew about it 100%. lou: with apologies to melania, despite cruz's denial, his serogates have been trying to tear down mrs. trump for weeks, listen to cruz operative. >> if donald trump is elected, mrs. trump will be the firs

. >> nato was set up at a different time. nato was set up when we were a richer country. we are borrowing money from china, which is sort of an amazing situation. it was a much different thing. nato is costing us a fortune. protecting europe, but we are spending a lot of money. i think the distribution of costs has to be changed. i think nato as a concept is good, but not as good as it was when it first evolved. the -- not only financially, but we bear the biggest brunt of it. mark: today, ted cruz and john kasich paused in their responses to the brussels bombing to criticize trump for his nato position. >> mr. trump said we should be downplaying our involvement in nato. i do not think that makes any sense. proposal toump's withdraw from the world, withdraw from nato, withdraw from europe, is sadly consistent with his statement that he intends to be neutral between israel and the palestinians. on weak political footing with his remarks regarding nato? footingrtainly on weak when it comes to the establishment. no doubt he will

there is only 30,000. >> couple<4 nato it's mostly formality. united states toe doesn't have the resources to sustain or target isis. >> each nato country has its own army. >> not to sustain this kind of war, bill. >> why not in if each nato country gave 7,000 troops and the united states added 20, that would overwhelm the 30,000 savages. >> that's assuming they would actually do that. >> they have to do it or they are expelled. >> long term it's not a winning strategy. they don't have the economics. they don't have the available resources or the money to sustain it. >> all right. i'm going to go back to you, mary anne because i disagree entire whether i andrea. bernie sanders, nothing, right? just say yes, bill, he has nothing. instead of just hesitating and going and trying to pull something out of the air, mary anne, say you are right he has got nothing. >> bernie sanders is opposed to all war and most military action in allts forms, okay? >> that's good. >> one point on bombing, bill, i have to make it here. >> sure. >> bombing doesn't work.

mark: you talk about nato and we spend a lot of money. what is the role of nato right now? what is the actual mission? cruz: nato is the most effective military alliance and it stood up to the soviet union and the cold war. the idea that russia doesn't pose a threat, russia is invading the ukraine, the baltic, threatening much of europe, and nato is a strategic alliance that should be a vehicle for going after isis. nato doesn't work without american leadership. if we had american leadership, nato could play a critical role in utterly destroying isis. is by trump's approach withdrawing and hiding, hoping the bad guys will leave us alone. obama leads from behind. it doesn't work. we need to utterly and completely destroy isis. mark: we will have more of this conversation when we come back. ♪ ♪ >> welcome back. let's go to the second half of the conversation with ted cruz. we talked about what the landscape could look like in november. things can change. it is not clear, based on the polling, that you are stronger in the general election that -- then donald trump. cruz: t

he has been meeting the nato secretary general. let's hear what they have been talking about. >> you are there? we are back in okay? [ laughter ] >> so we are convinced that our cooperation will lead to [ inaudible ] legal crossings, and manage of the union's [ inaudible ] smugglers. this is decisive here for european union, and for nato, because the security environment in europe is changing radically, and both nato and european union have to adjust to -- to adjust to this situation. i was briefly presenting the first elements of the global strategy on defense and foreign policy commission and external action services [ inaudible ] we are in close contact when it comes to different points of this. we were mainly discussing today the threats our continent is facing, and [ inaudible ] importance that the two organizations with moving in the same direction in order to present common views at the nato summit later this year, in july -- in warsaw. he is in fact a lucky man, because he has one summit every two years, and i have one summ

that's where nato can help. as governor kasich said, nato ought to be as much an intelligence gathering information and spell jens fusion organization. that's real key to attacking and defeating the terrorism problem inside of europe. >> least glad they are talking about these major national security issues. a lot more interesting than other stuff going on. thank you very much. >>> up next, europe's spider web of terror cells. we'll look at how radicals are building an army ready to kill at a moment's notice. stay with us. this saturday isn't like last saturday. [ indistinct shouting ] bulk from boxed won't only save you money, it will save saturday. [ pop, screech, doorbell rings ] boxed -- bulk-size shopping delivered easy with no membership fees. brussels certainly have highlighted the growing danger in europe posed by radicalization. the attacks there and in paris carried out by locals, many of whom travel to the war zone in syria. more than 900 of them have returned home to europe. could be seen as ticking

everyone in nato headquarters are okay. the nato headquarters is very close to the airport. we have been very focused today to make sure that are safe and they use the airport often and also use the metro system often. so, the people here at nato headquarters are very much affected by what happened in brussels today. >> you are the former prime minister of norway. so you know full well what it is like for each of these countries, and i'm sure the european union and those in proximity as well of belgium of what every nation is going through. the politics, logistics, security and all of that. but mr. prime minister, if i can ask you from your nato position, the 28-member nations themselves are all part of the global coalition fighting isis, but nato itself is an entity is not. is there anything that may change that? is there a need to change that? >> the attacks in brussels today reminds us of how important it is that we stand together in the fight against terror across nations, ethnic groups and religions. all nato allies are part of the coalition fighting isil, but in additi

nato is costing us a fortune. we're protecting europe but spending a lot of money. >> it is striking the day of donald trump called for america weakening nato we see brussels where nato is headquarterered, the subject of a radical islamic terrorist attack. >> that was pretty swift. joining me now is congressman duncan hunter. he sits on the house armed services committee and endorsed donald trump for president. congressman, tell us does trump still stand by the position of reducing our role in nato? >> let's say this. it's good trump is saying hey, guys, why don't you carry your own weight so we don't have to carry as much of it. that's not a bad negotiating point. nobody spends what they're suppose to spend on defense in the european union. nato does not pull their weight. why shouldn't trump say hey guys why don't you pull your own weight. that's not a bad negotiating point. nato is there to stop russia, not radical islam. that's why nato is in europe. >> i think a lot of folks, it's caught a lot of attention be

nato headquarters. for the entire nato membership, all of the countries that participate in nato have and the last point i would give you is where we stand on the airport. 11 people thought to have died at the airport. 20 at the subway. but in the airport itself, we have now learned that there was this unexploded explosive belt, which the authorities took and detonated, we were told, according to flemish tv. flemish tv also reporting they believe the explosive used in this was a common explosive used by terror suspects around the world, tatp. that is what they're going on as they now look for one, they believe one suspect, last seen in the airport but they believe he may have left the airport wearing a white shift or rt, sweater or overcoat of some sort. >> perhaps we'll see a surveillance image of that if that reporting is construct. i'm struck to hear him reel off the government agencies. thinking of paris, striking the heart of europe, the cafes and the theaters and way of life. i mean, this is the h

nato's obsolete. nato is obsolete and extremely expensive to the united states, disproportionately so and we should readjust nato. >> meanwhile, senator ted cruz has a different plan on how to defeat isis. here's his explanation. >> everywhere i go, every leader i meet, they ask about what is happening in america. they cannot believe it. >> that was secretary of state john kerry there on the rhetoric that is being used on the side across the political landscape. let's bring in jonathan alter here in to this discussion to get his take on this. we heard a little bit there from donald trump, hillary clinton, and john kerry saying that this has been somewhat of an embarrassment for the u.s. in terms of talking to those close u.s. allies. how has the political discourse back home played out worldwide? >> well, it's been really horrible for the image of the united states. you have donald trump depicted as a dangerous clown on the covers of magazines all over the world. you know, when the united states sneez

nato headquarters. for the entire nato membership, all of the countries that participate in nato have headquarters right there in brussels. and the last point i would give you is where we stand on the airport. 11 people thought to have died at the airport. 20 at the subway. but in the airport itself, we this unexploded explosive belt, which the authorities took and detonated, we were told, according to flemish tv. flemish tv also reporting they believe the explosive used in this was a common explosive used by terror suspects around the world, tatp. that is what they're going on as they now look for one, they believe one suspect, last seen in the airport but they believe he may have left the airport wearing a white shift rt, sweat or overcoat of some sort. >> perhaps we'll see a surveillance image of that if that reporting is construct. i'm struck to hear him reel off the government agencies. thinking of paris, striking the heart of europe, the cafes and the theaters and way of life. i mean, this is the

>> just dealing with nato and not with mr. trump, nato's been decisive. it helped win the cold war for us, it was a contributor standing up against the warsaw pact and having an incredible political and military alliance, they've assisted us with iraq, afghanistan and also with libya. you can argue the merits of those to be sure. but here, nato is vital now more than ever because russian aggression and assertiveness and clearly have eyes on the baltic states and europe. without nato russia would roll right in there. nato has challenges, and certainly not putting up enough investment in their own defenses. a lot of the leaders are feckless and it's doubtful whether they would stand up. >> well they're feckless and not only raising defense budgets, they're lowering them, and seems to me that those, and we'll leave the candidates out, but those who say that the united states is carrying far too much of the burden and strategically is far too forward on initiatives in europe against the aggression of russia without at least commensurate force and urgency on t

nato is obsolete. >> nato is very obsolete. he's angry because the ail nato allies don't chip in percentage wise of their gdp for defense expenditures what the u.s. chips in. they have not gotten involved directly as an organization in trying to destroy isis. >> i'm not sure either of those atements are true, woman we will talk about the fighting of isis and other terrorist organizations. as parent of the security force in afghanistan, nato chipped in a third of the forces. >> in afghanistan they are involved but they are not involved in the war against isis, iraq and syria as an organization. >> as an organization you are right. >> additional countries may contribute but as an organization headquartered in belgium, the secretary general of nato they have not gotten their act together to do what they did to the taliban in afghanistan. >> that's true. >> that frustrates trump. is he wrong? >> he's wrong. those individual countries that are contribute to the fight have come to the agreement they l. there are multiple countries th

i was ambassador to nato on 9/11 when the nato allies pledged to support us in afghanistan. they went with us to afghanistan. they're all still there. the majority of them went to iraq. nato together stopped the kosovo war and went into bosnia. nato has proven its value to the united states and in a large integrated 21st century world. for the united states to choose to be without allies andhat's what donald trump is saying, that we should essentially go it alone, he wants to even more than that. he wants to dig a mote around the united states and pull up the drawbridges. it is a recipe for failure in our foreign policy. and so we've got to cling to our alliances, build our alliances, prove on their deficiencies, but where would the united states be without nato? in a far inferior position strategically. >> how could abdeslam hide out in plain sight in the same neighborhood among friends and family for four months since the paris attacks and not have been captured sooner? >> right. well, it's easy for us to sit back, i think, and play monday morning quarterback, but i must s

we talk about nato. it's absolutely creditical that the president work with nato now so that if iran does violate that nuclear deal that he put together that we put the sanctions back on. some people say rip it up right now. i've called for a freeze on the nuclear deal because of the ballistic missile violations and violating the spirit of the deal. if they violate the deal in principle, we wouldn't have to want to do this alone. we'd want to do this with the europeans. and the problem is money. people go over, they make money. and then time comes to take action and we put money ahead of what we know is a security. >> when i asked you about nato and trump you said as leader you wouldn't say that kind of thing. >> i'm not saying it now. >> and you have been very careful not to directly attack donald trump. >> he's dead wrong on nato. he's dead wrong. >> do you think he's ready to be -- >> that's up to the people to decide. that gets to be personal about my feelings about his competence. just look at his s

there is a nato infrastructure fund. we do common funding for nato. each nation puts in defense contributions. we have world wide global responsibilities in our defense and so we have always recognized that as the world's strongest nuclear power when it came to dealing with russia or other nuclear powers nato comes to us and relies on us. it is always a little bit disproportionate. it has been a 60-year dialogue in the alliance to get this burden sharing issue right. the europeans tell you they are spending more and trying to reach the 2% of gdp target that nato has set. if there is any trouble it is on their soil so it is their reserves, their police, their highway management, their roads and bridges. that's where nato has traditional lly occupied and operated. they have that part of the burden that we don't have. >>> to the democratic side of the presidential race you have endorsed hillary clinton. are you concerned about bernie sanders big wins this weekend? >> i'm a strong supporter of hillary. i have known her for over 30 years. she is very, very

and nato. they've done everything possible to accommodate russia. what russia has done is go further and further from georgia, to ukraine and elsewhere. what i think we're going to see is a little bit more push back, programs, you could call it that, more persistence from nato, and i think that will help stabilize things a little bit rather than seeing this creeping russian - i wouldn't call it aggression necessarily in the case of nato, but creeping russian assertiveness which has continued because we have not responded >>> world leaders have begun to arrive in the u.s. for a summit on nuclear security. more than 50 companies and international organizations are attending the summit in washington. they will discuss ways to lessen the event of nuclear war and containment of nuclear materials. russia is not attending though. >> reporter: he flew to washington in 120 to take part in the nuclear security summit. he and his host obama agreed the time was now no keep nuclear materials away from the bad guys. >> translation: this is not about the economy.

nato is not meant for terrorism. nato is -- it's obsolete and it's extremely expensive and we should readjust nato. >> meanwhile, senator ted cruz on his plans to defeat isis. >> if i'm president, we will utterly and completely destroy isis. we will carpet bomb them into oblivion using overwhelming air power. >> and weighing in for the administration, secretary of state john kerry on the rhetoric being used across the political landscape. >> everywhere i go, every leader i meet they ask about what is happening in america. some of the questions posed to me, it's clear to me what's happening is an embarrassment to our country. >> joining me here in brussels, tara palmieri and in paris, foreign correspondent christopher dickey. great to see both of you here, terror in the center of the e.u., the european parliament is here. is there nervousness about it? >> they're fearful they'll become the next ukraine. europe heavily depends on nato so talk about this is definitely sending chills around europe. there's a lot of fear

nato is obsolete. now, that doesn't mean it can't be rejiggered and it can't be fixed and made good or -- >> for you -- >> it's possible -- >> a financial component when you talk about -- >> you have countries in nato, i think it's 28 countries, countries in nato are getting a free ride and it's unfair, it's very unfair. the united states cannot afford to be the policemen of the world anymore, folks. we have to rebuild our own country. we have to stop with this stuff. you have as an example, ukraine, you don't have germany talking about ukraine. you don't have many of the countries in nato talking about -- it's always us. we're always the first one out. we have very big problems in our country. very, very big problems. nato has to be either changed or we have to do something. and we shouldn't be paying most of the course of nato. it's unfair to our taxpayers and people. >> we're going to take a quick break. we'll have more with donald trump after the quick break when our "360" town hall covers from riv

the point i was making with nato is there's an effort to get eastern bloc countries to join nato as part of the effort to try to push back putin that would put the united states in a position to offer war guarantees to countries we're not going to fight and die for. this has been a major debate an. >> okay. >> with respect to his speech today at apec -- >> we got to go. >> this is important. he laid out a plan to sanction iran, dismantle their terror networks, protect our vital economic interests and that combined with bringing back our manufacturing jobs, protecting our border, and protecting american workers will revitalize our middle class and a stark contrast to the globalism of mark and his donors. >> no more. i don't know how this got so mean. >> donor friends. >> we don't like mean on "the kelly file." be friendly. >> i thought it was fun and great. i enjoyed it a lot. >> i don't think you guys like each other. great to see you up nonetheless >>> one of the big stories this weekend was the latest outburst of violence at a trump rally. again a trump supporter caught on camera attac

and when he's talking about nato, nato has no leader, and nato's doing nothing as far as to take out the islamic state. they should take that capital and blow from here to -- charles: you think we drop out of it, it would help nato? it would be a wake-up call? >> donald says something and if you know donald, which i know him, he means they better get their act together, otherwise he'll threaten to leave nato unless they start a leadership movement and work together. these countries -- charles: i hate to say, but i just don't think nato, i have zero confidence when it comes to this kind of stuff. here at home, steve rogers, what measures should we be taking? we're in a politically correct culture. we've got a lot of rules of engagement, but, you know, should we be enhancing our more vigorous surveillance in these neighborhoods where we know people are being radicalized? >> first, we must face the reality, charles, that we are living in world war iii. this is a world war. that's number one. number two, what we saw in brussels is a prelude to what's going to happen here. we've said it t

i'm not saying nato is perfect. and as a matter of fact, nato had better step up to the challenges that civilization faces faces or it will be irrelevant. on the other hand it is helping to share information of the various countries and do a variety of things that are useful. but it needs to do more. that was the point of my statement, everybody needs to do more, includinging us. >> matt thornberry, thank you for joining us. >>> coming up a utah teen who witnessed boston marathon bombing narrowly escapes death in brussels. >>> how strange is this for your family to be involved in two of these? >> i think two's enough for a lifetime now. >> you're going to see the emotional moment when he finally calls his very worried parents back home as we learn more about awhat's next for his recovery. with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere will soon energize the world. a

involvement in nato. i was able to ask lieutenant colonel scott mann if he had a different take. >> the new threat which is just as dire as the nazis and the soviets were in the cold war is isis. we need to rally around that as a coalition and alliance and everybody needs to pull their fair share on that, not just the u.s. charles: joining me rick gre nerks ll and thomas mcinernie. general mcinerney los night we had a heat -- last night we had a heated debate. we talked about carpet bombing. what exactly should we do? is nato sort of antiquated, backing backward toward armed with war ii? and is it relevant anymore? >> i think it's relevant. i had five tours in nato. we used to tease the nato people and say no action talk only. before it needs to be revitalized. be it has a mission of continuing to deter russian expansionism. which is lost in sir jar and walk against isis and it has after more difficult threat of the jihad by immigration by all these mum his immigrants that are coming in there. so they hav

i think nato you have to really examine nato. it doesn't really help us it's helping other countries. i don't think the other countries appreciate what we're doing. >> donald trump's foreign policy is bizarre. and it is -- he's gotten very little understanding of foreign policy and what he does know is wrong. what he has been advocating is weakness, withdrawal from the world, isolationism. if donald trump had his way, if america did withdraw from nato it would hand a massive victory to putin. a massive victory to isis. and the idea that donald trump would want the presidency to begin with a preemptive surrender, turning tail and running that's a sign of weakness and it's striking that donald's foreign policy is to the left of barack obama and hillary clinton. >> turning our back on our alliances or turning our alliance into the protection racket would reverse decades of bipartisan american leadership. and send a dangerous signal to friend and foe alike. putin already hopes to divide europe. if mr. trump gets his way, it will be l

to reduce its role, its involvement in nato. nato was created after world war 2. it's time to pick up the burden and expense. >> kasich is using nato to fight isis. donald trump knows his audience and says, look. we're spending too much money on nato. not giving anything in return. and it's clearly the audience that also says we spend too much money on foreign aid. so i think this is a retrain that you're going to hear from trump because you're not getting your money's worth. what you hear from john kasich is i know better because i've had the experience. i've worked with ronald reagan and spent my years on capitol hill. that's how kasich got at trump was the experience card. and this issue of how much do you spend on nato and what do you get out of it is a huge issue, particularly when suddenly our allies, not to mention putin, will probably hear what donald trump said today and raise a lot of eyebrows. and the questions will be asked, will be, well, would this be too pleasing to the russians? >> in addition to having this important speech he's about to deliver a

>> when you say keep nato, nato has been around since right after world war ii in 1949. it's been a cornerstone of u.s. national security around the world. nato allies hear you say that, they're not going to be happy. >> well, they might not be happy, but they have to help us also. we are paying disproportionately. very importantly, if you use ukraine as an example, and that's a great example, the countries surrounding ukraine, they don't seem to care as much about it as we do. so there has to be at least a change in philosophy. there also has to be a change in the cut-up, the money, the spread, because it's too much. >> so you're really suggesting the united states should decrease its role in nato? >> not decrease its role but decrease the spending. we are spending a tremendous amount in nato and other people proportionately less, no good. >> what do you say with allies who are watching and they're not happy. >> what, they're not happy. what, we're spending a fortune. we are spending tremendous amounts of money. you look at countries that circle other countries. they're