[cheers and applause] cruz! cruz! cruz! cruz! cruz! cruz! cruz! >> the foundmental freedom of ever one of us to live accord to our faith and conscience. we'll see a supreme court that protects the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. [cheers and applause] and our fundamental right to protect our families and our homes and our children. [cheers and applause] we'll see a president -- >>> if you're joining us at the top of the hour we are listening to ted cruz, a victory speech tonight. it was projected earlier on this evening when all the votes are counted he be the victor in wisconsin. he enjoys a healthy margin over donald trump. >> instead of negotiating with terrorists, we'll rip to shreds this catostrophic iranian nuclear deal. [cheers and applause] we will defeat radical islamic terrorism and we will utterly destroy

of that 94%, cruz -- cruz won the biggest share of the votes. this was one of the many areas that donald trump had been winning in other primary states, but cruz took over in wisconsin. another area where that happened, trade. more than half of all republican voters said trade with other countries takes away u.s. jobs. donald trump a slight edge here over cruz, 43% to 42%. this is a big change. trump is usually the candidate who dominates that trade kills jobs category. >> the only place he did well last night was among the moderates in the republicans and independents. interestingly enough. >>> three states moving forward with new laws that critics say legalize discrimination against the lgbt community, but not without consequence. that's up next. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh! you know, that reminds me of how geico's been the fastest-growing auto insurer for over 10 years straight. over ten years? mhm, geico's the company your friends and neighbors trust. and deservedly so. indeed. geico. expect great savings and a

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they had these signs ready, cruz-fiorina. the website is already redirecting to cruz-carly.com. as the campaign tries to fund-raise off today's announcement. it felt like this event was put together fairly fast. the room was not entirely full. it's a large room and they set up the risers close to the stage. but a couple of key moments to note. ted cruz gave a lengthy introduction, seemed to be making the most of his moment in the political spotlight today. setting her up as a real attack dog for donald trump. nearly every attribute that he listed favorably about carly fiorina was unfavorably against donald trump. that gives you an indication of how he sees her role in the campaign moving forward. fiorina came out to a lot of applause, people were exciting to see her, they were chanting her name. and she talked about what she would do for the cruz campaign. you heard cruz come back against the idea that he was picking a vice presidential running mate too early. he said this race has been unusual, which is why he made this move. there's some question marks about how fiorina could

to support cruz here. >> i was not going to support cruz. >> who else switched? why? >> i switched from kasich to trump because kasich/cruz have proven they can't win a national election. >> who else switched? why? >> cruz doesn't tell it like it is. i think he's lying to me when he's talking to me. that's how i feel as a person and a voter. >> so when donald trump uses the phrase "lyin' ted" -- >> i believe it. >> you believe it. that doesn't bother you? >> what has ted cruz lied about again? >> let's start with iowa when he fold everybody all of the supporters that he's going home to florida and then he ends up winning iowa, he has never apologized for that. i mean, come on. no, he hasn't! >> was there proof that he -- >> hold on, hold on. >> was there proof -- >> this sind iis indiana. indiana is respectful. >> there was never proof he had any fault in that. >> it came from his campaign. if he's a leader he has to take responsibility. the buck stops with the leader. >> do you guys agree with that? go ahead. >> here's the thing. he did apologize. if you watched

is it kasich cruz or cruz kasich. who will be the top dog in cleveland? who is the guy they will run for president when this little duet gets together here? >> they have movement activist and ideal logs that never drifted to trump. when it comes time at a convention, those people, that block is going to be the power center and when you ask them how they figure that, they say look at the state conventions where cruz has been accumulating delegates is because of the activists base and they think kasich if he's not going to join cruz on the ticket, if he could be an ally, that's quite a coalition. >> he is deputy dog? does he accept that role? after all these months of running for president s he willing to be deputy dog for cruz? >> i don't think deputy dog is the word i would use but i think the deal says a lot. significant moment. kasich who is stubborn, who wants to be his figure doesn't like to have a bond or relationship with other candidates on the field. he's actually cutting a deal publicly and that's maybe not joining the ticket at this moment, but

it humanized ted cruz. when they sit down and do these interviews their comments are very orchestrated. they don't like to let you look behind the veil too much. families are vulnerable. i think that was a more humanizing moment that ted cruz had. i wish trump would allow himself to be humanized a little more instead of showing himself to be just an icon or pop culture icon. because i think that his staying power in terms of growing his voter base that would be more effective if he did that. cruz did it last night. it's why he's surging right now and why you have the latest reuters poll for the first time he's leading trump right now, because he's having an effect. he's resonating voters. and it's appealing to them to see him as he humanizes himself talking about his wife and kids. >> you had melania trump on the campaign trail. some people said that humanized donald trump a little bit more. it's clear from the exit polls, trump has a loyal following that is not leaving him. >> right. he's winning 35% of th

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unusual amount of vitriol coming from him about ted cruz. >> lying ted cruz. he comes in bible high. i'm lying ted cruz. he's a dirty rotten cheat. remember that. >> you see donald trump. those are words he has used before, but with a tone that sounded harsh. a lot of people saying donald trump had the worst week of his campaign. >> you are right, john. wisconsin is crucial. now we're shifting from winning and losing primaries to the real hard delegate game. looking at the map forward, new york coming up. ted cruz knows in order to keep donald trump from getting the delegates. he needs to clinch the nomination. he needs to win in wisconsin and hold his number down as much as possible. we are not just seeing that on the campaign trail. ted cruz mounted a really aggressive behind the scenes effort to work the delegates system and work the convention system. he is playing some really high level chess here to work the pieces and try to make sure donald trump does not get that number. the belief is among the republican establishment if you can keep donald trump fro

so cruz headed up to ft. wayne, steve, to be with them on the campaign trail as they spend their first day out as a ticket, campaigned together before but obviously not as running mates. we will keep you posted from up in ft. wayne. >> hallie jackson on her way to ft. wayne. going to turn now to msnbc's kasie hunt in indianapolis. kasie, one of the theories that's floating around out there about why ted cruz turned to carly fiorina is maybe that in a way he was trying to bait donald trump. donald trump had said that very nasty thing about carly fiorina before. he's gotten into trouble for the way he talks at women before. maybe this would make him slip up again. get into trouble. talking about a female opponent again. trump talking about issues again this torning on the "today" show. what are you hearing? >> hi, steve. that's right. of course, donald trump way underwater in all of our polling with women who seem to basically tell us -- tell pollsters they don't like donald trump. of course, as we know women m

congratulations to senator cruz and heidi cruz. but on we go. i've already heard chris discussing this this morning. i thought this was a mistake when i heard it the first time in iowa. the new york values is not going to play well in new york. i've got a lot of new york relatives. they're not too keen on ted cruz because of that remark. i'm sure that clip of ted cruz saying that will be played over and over and over again in new york media. >> tim, how do you characterize what happened with ted cruz and donald trump last night? >> sure. for starter, i wish donald trump was as gracious following defeat as jeffrey was right there. he sent out a typically childish statement where he made false claims about ted cruz last night as usual. >> let me stop you for just a second. in case people missed it i want to read a portion of it for them. it's an interesting statement. so here's just a portion. >> interesting is one word of it. >> in fact, he sort of refers to you, tim. not by name. but in part. not only was cruz propelled by the anti-trump superpa

cruz: being a texan, i know a little bit about that. you look back to it years ago, when barack obama promised if he was president he would bankrupt every coal-fired plant in america. [boos] sen. cruz: it's amazing that may be the only campaign promise obama has come close to beating. the war on coal from the obama administration is wrong. [applause] sen. cruz: america is the saudi arabia of coal, we are the saudi arabia of natural gas. the federal government should not be working, trying to destroy the livelihood of millions of americans who depend on the energy sector. [applause] sen. cruz: energy is key to bringing manufacturing back to america. low cost energy means jobs. [applause] sen. cruz: we are going to stop amnesty and end sanctuary cities and end welfare for those here illegally. [applause] we will see millions and millions of new hiking jobs. we will see jobs coming back from mexico, coming back from china. we are going to see manufacturing jobs coming back to pennsylvania. wages rising once again. we're going to see young

he understands, as does cruz, that if cruz doesn't win it he can't stop trump. trump will be and remain on a path all the way to california in which he could actually clinch the nomination before the convention. win the necessary 1,237 delegates before everybody goes to cleveland. by the same token, cruz recognizes, and he's expected to announce that carly fiorina will be his running mate if he does win this nomination, that this type of activity will sort of steal some of the attention away from another five-state sweep that trump had last night, the momentum that trump has and his claim that he's going to win the nomination and it's going to be before the convention. this is cruz's opportunity with things like putting carly feea on a would-be ticket to try to get back momentum. even if he were able to do that it still raezs questions about what happens when we get to the final day june 7th when california is there, between indiana and california if donald trump wins indiana and gets about 50% to 60% of the overall vote -- the delegates, rather, in california h

charles: this may help ted cruz in new york doesn't help ted cruz? >> all the internal polling shows a head-to-head matchup cruz beats trump easily so he says it takes votes away from cruz and trump doesn't want him in the race. let's see who wins the race and that the republicans have a chance at that point. charles: then how do you see it shaking out? >> kasich has fewer delegates than marco rubio in rubio is completely out of the race. what i think the storyline we will look for tomorrow is obviously can trump close that gap and can he get close to winning in wisconsin and in many regards because of the way the map is shaping outgoing for this is ted cruz last stand previous big victory is a threat to stop the trump domination. charles: this could be the end of the republican national committee as we know it if trump wins. charles: iraq as thanks a lot. fantastic appreciate it guys and at home we appreciate you watching. catch me every single night and if you can't watch -- now lou dobbs the man himself, next. lou: good evening everybody. i'm lou

in some ways, tread cruz has limited -- ted cruz has limited his options, if he had waited a month later teaming up with john kasich, would that give him more leverage at a republican convention if it comes to that. you mentioned donald trump's reaction. we did see his reaction from the last interesting gamut from ted cruz, his alliance from john kasich, who will campaign where and when and john kasich not going to campaign in indiana at all and donald trump eviscerated that, calling it a sign of desperation and sign of weakness. he might do something similar in reacting to this. i think donald trump will more tout his victories than anything else when he campaigns in indiana tonight. >> hallie, are you hearing any more on this? and ted cruz said he couldn't confirm anything to you or no one would show up for the announcement. is the campaign at this hour0 minutes out from that, what guidance other than naming carly fiorina as his pick, what else we may hear from ted cruz? >> reporter: just a little difficulty hearing you. i know you're asking about the news we're talking about with cruz

lying ted cruz. part of a statement, ted cruz is worse than a puppet. he is a trojan horse being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump. now cruz, as you would expect, is taking a different posture insisting that he is gaining momentum that would carry his campaign through colorado and wyoming, that he will get enough delegates to hit the magic number of 1237 before the convention. >> i look forward to coming back to the state of wisconsin this fall and in november for the first time since 1984 painting the badger state bright republican red. >> a >>. >> reporter: and the chief strategist for governor kasich says this means no one will hit the magic numb

cruz should. he can reach out to the dell gas uncommitted, reach out to kasich's delegates, marco rubio's delegates. plus he's got a real shot here of continues down the road to picking up delegates. trump has to go all out. he should win if the polls are right, he should win new york by a huge margin. he should win pennsylvania by a big margin, although the delegates in pennsylvania aren't committed but you get a certain moral pressure if someone comes in as a big, big winner. trump has to figure out can he put together california? california, remember, has both a statewide number, much like wisconsin but also has every district so the relatively small number of republicans in nancy pelosi's congressional district pick delegates and probably more liberal than the average republican and interesting to see california working out. cruz's model is different. cruz has to just grind away, grind away, try to organize from the grassroots up. my sense is he's winning a lot of delegates who are pledged on

cruz should. he can reach out to the dell gas uncommitted, reach out to kasich's delegates, marco rubio's delegates. plus he's got a real shot here of continues down the road to picking up delegates. trump has to go all out. he should win if the polls are right, he should win new york by a huge margin. he should win pennsylvania by a big margin, although the delegates in pennsylvania aren't committed but you get a certain moral pressure if someone comes in as a big, big winner. trump has to figure out can he put together california? california, remember, has both a statewide number, much like wisconsin but also has every district so the relatively small number of republicans in nancy pelosi's congressional district pick delegates and probably more liberal than the average republican and interesting to see california working out. cruz's model is different. cruz has to just grind away, grind away, try to organize from the grassroots up. my sense is he's winning a lot of delegates who are pledged on

tonight did ted cruz beat trump or did the never-trump beat ted cruz? >> both perform this was a life-line opportunity for cruz, it gave him the momentum he needs to create an argument moving forward that, he can prevent him from getting the critical 1237 number. scott walker just endorsed ted cruz the week before, it was a decisive endorsement. it deflates donald trump's narrative whose message is he's invincible. he's got problems with women and we saw that tonight. >> the exit polling, tonight it's not so much the story coming out for trump, it's not his support was eroded and his supporters left, he did okay with the peoplewho said he liked them. he didn't lose them. the story tonight it's not that donald trump is losing support, it's that ted is growing and donald trump is not growing at the same rate. >> we brought up the statement that the trump campaign put out. he makes further assertions on inappropriate action on the part of the cruz campaign and the super pacs. any truth to that? >> he says it's not legal. no, that is not false. to date ther

ted cruz is their guy. we saw radio hosts doing it in iowa and in florida and now in wisconsin, and in a really big way. what you're seeing is that sort of momentum. you're not just seeing the establishment gravitate toward cruz, you're seeing talk radio come to cruz. those make for strange bed fellows but could prove to be effective. >> interesting how talk radio is evolving. there were comments about trump and abortion and some things that lost him in that kind of fear of right-wing talk radio. thank you, dylan. >> thank you. >>> a defeat for trump, a win for cruz. ahead, more on the changing landscape in the race for the white house. what brand of makeup is better for your skin than wearing no makeup at all? neutrogena® cosmetics. powders, concealers and foundations in new shades for more skin tones. with vitamins and antioxidants. your skin will look beautiful when you wear it and even after you take it off. neutrogena® cosmetics see what's possible. >>> tonight is a turning point. it is a rallying cr

it look like cruz will get 35-plus of those. it's a big win for cruz. he gets 30-plus net delegate gaining on donald trump. it doesn't secure the nomination, but it does make it more and more difficult for donald trump to get to that 1,237 margin and have the mom nation going into cleveland. that means it's more likely to insure we see a contested convention. >>er time ted cruz wins a state, the response is that's the last state he can win. then he keeps defying that. >> he's going to do it again. he has some state -- as i mentioned possibly indiana, possibly wyoming, and we are all going to california june 7. and that race is not decided by any mean. after you have these trump-strength state, you have cruz-strength state. if you think this is a last hurrah for cruz, it won't bear out. bill: we wanted to give one hypothetical possibility for how trump get the number. think is what we did. we took the arm of the state pollings and cross referenced all the political leading website. charlie cook. think what we are guessing in the scenario. trump is at 740

would it be cruz or kasich? >> well, they're actually both after the same goal so i would argue they would both benefit from this. both men want this race to go to a convention, they need it to go to a convention. but once we get to a convention, this could be a really interesting play for john kasich because ted cruz has been making the case especially recently, even within the past week, that john kasich's only role in this race is as a spoiler. so if john kasich can show the republican party that he is a team player, that he doesn't want trump to win this election and wants this to go to a convention, that could help him in the long run. >> ana, would it have been possible to keep this deal quiet? why did they publicize it and make it more awkward and embarrassing, if you will? >> first of all, wolf, it's very hard to keep secrets in politics. it's very hard to keep secrets in 2016, period, with social media and things being what they are. i think that they had to make it public because they have to send a si

cruz is going to be in indiana. it is all about indiana right now for ted cruz. he thinks he's got a one-on-one shot or at least the closest thing he could possibly get to it against donald trump there. maybe one factor, though, standing in his way. tony toddecope ill is on the grd and will tell us after this. jack knocked over a candlestick, onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit geico.com and see how affordable renters insurance can be. >>> all right. well, you're not going to find ted cruz in any of the five states holding primaries tomorrow. he's taking a pass on them on this monday before the voting there. instead, he is skipping ahead to indiana. he's got four events scheduled in the hoosier state today. of course indiana voting on may 3rd. one problem for ted cruz now that he struck this deal with joh

ted cruz will get a lot of outside help. they will throw everything they can, because the establishment realizes this is the best last chance to stop donald trump. there is talk he's willing to write more checks. $1.5 million considering the $100 million plus doesn't sounds like a lot to me. >> effectively they gave oklahoma to cruz. it depend on messaging. i don't think it will be about social issue. i think it's about the larger broad base of being a conservative, being consistent, someone you could trust. at least that's what i would argue. the boutique social issues have not hurt mr. trump up until now. cruz's best opening is to highlight his major strength and the fact you can trust him to do what he says he's going to do. charles: ted cruz maybe overplayed the bathroom thing yesterday. there is a local poll that came out in indiana, wthr has it 37-31. they say it's basically going to be a dead heat. and maybe with the conservative nature of the state, it will go to ted cruz. >> he need to be amplifying the message he h

cruz. thank you for being here. >> in response to a question regarding his weaknesses in a redebate, your husband said i might not be the guy that you want to get a beer with but i'll be the one to drive you home. he recognized that likability was a potential problem for many supporters. a lot of the polls have shown that -- recently have shown about 60% of respondents say they have an unfavorable view of your husband. as his wife and someone who knows him better than anyone else, can you give us insight of why your husband may be likable that the general public doesn't know? >> think about the context of this. people aren't talking about knowing ted and knowing what it's like to hang out and be with him. they're talking about the projection of the news media and those in washington who have not been working for the american people. one thing i said in the other day when asked does ted have a lot of friends, i said one of the greatest things about marrying ted cruz of the opportunity to han

cruz: -- [crowd chanting "cruz!"] sen. cruz: so let me just say, hillary get ready. here we come. god bless you! [cheering and applause] ♪ ♪ 20 >> the grand takes you on the road the white house and follow the camp pain is an. >> peter testifies about his agency and terror attacks and will take questions from commerce and transportation and later on c-span about afternoon, talk challenges facing nato, including the global refugee crisis. >> continuing to make stops around the country. instituteolitan arts will present awards and -- classmates got second place for their video. third prize winner -- stands on time warner cable for their help. the entrancetch before washington journal. it >> bernie sanders one the democratic primary against hillary clinton and spoke to supporters in wyoming. sen. sanders: thank you, laramie! ♪ [cheers and applause] sen. sanders: you know, i was told there were about i thousand people who participated in the last wyoming caucus. it looks like all of them are here tonight. thank you! thank you very much for coming out and let me remind everybody

that wend to ted cruz. ted cruz also got 68% of the voters most concerned about winning in november. 54% of voters who said trade creates u.s. jobs, donald trump interestingly enough, only got 28% of that group. 52% of voters with incomes over $100,000 a year went to ted cruz. 31% to donald trump. when we hear steve look at the northeast and new york and say this is territory that should be fertile ground for donald trump, can we -- is it fair at this point to say what is trump territory and what is cruz territory anymore? >> no, absolutely not. and ted cruz demonstrated that in wisconsin. wisconsin is heavily catholic state. it's not a traditionally evangelical, religious conservative state, the kind of state ted cruz has played well in in the south. this was a huge victory for ted cruz. and tamron, i think this is the most important point. if you see ted cruz's victory statement last night, and you look at the way donald trump responded, the reason all of the momentum has shifted is ted cruz is getting be

ted cruz? >> lucifer in the flesh. i have a history of getting along with almost everybody in washington. i have as many democratic friends as i have republican friends but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life. >> he called him a miserable s.o.b. >> how do you really feel about ted cruz? tell us. >> it does highlight the divisions within the republican party right now. >> right. it certainly highlights the divisions between ted cruz and the rest of the republican party. john boehner really went through a lot of angst with ted cruz shutting down the government, putting his members of congress who are up for re-election in jeopardy, having to explain why they were shutting down the government. you know, ted cruz would really be in this position. i don't think he'd be in this position where he's on the verge of losing the republican nomination. had he reached out and tried to make amends with the republican colleagues in congress. >> it sort of highlights, dana, with

ted cruz told the "l.a. times" "we anticipated early on this primary could easily come down to the state of california and that in fact is what happened." cruz also knows that california is really several different states wrapped up in one. so he's trying to secure delegates by working through county republican parties. remember, it's three delegates for each congressional district. there are several districts in los angeles county alone. and because ted cruz is performing well here in l.a., that could put a dent in donald trump's delegate collection in california, shep. >> trump and kasich getting active out there. >> reporter: john kasich looking for office space out here, rolling out endorsements and planning to bring his town halls to california. kasich has agreed to speak at the state gop convention later this month. that will give him a chance to win some influence with party activists and potential delegates. donald trump is hiring staff in california and inquiring about buying a significant amount of

while senator cruz is not focus og donald tru ing on donald trump, the cruz campaign has been forced to respond to donald trump. the statement of donald trump alleging that senator cruz is a puppet and trying to steel tal nomination. they say donald trump is a sore looser. this is donald trump in full meltdown mode. >> let's go to the bernie sanders campaign over in wyoming. they were thrilled over there as well. >> reporter: they were and he was trying to rile people up to get out and caucus for him here. he is insisting that he has a path to victory and he will prevail. they are citing his recent ability to reduce hillary clinton's lead in pledge delegates by 80 or so delegates. it's a considerable margin between them, but the sanders campaign says they're going to keep chipping away at that until they have a pledged delegate advantage and then they're going into the convention where they will try to convince super delegates to switch their allegiance to bernie sanders. they say this will reflect the will of the voters. the clinton campaign says it y negates the will of the voters.

he hurts me more than cruz. cruz wants him out. he hurts me. a recent poll came out where i get many more of his votes than cruz gets. >> i spoke with governor john kasich a short time ago. governor, how do you respond to what donald trump and ted cruz are saying that you are essentially a spoiler and should get out of the race? >> well, both of them said that i'm taking their votes from their voters. i mean, one guy asked me today, he said trump says you're taking his voters and cruz says you're taking his voters. how can you be taking both? i said i'm taking both because as people get to know me and understand my record and positive vision and all these things, of course i can get votes from both of them. i think i heard today that senator cruz has to get like 102% of the remaining delegates. that's kind of impossible. this is what he's been saying about me. everybody needs to chill out. i'm in new york. we're going to do well here. i'm going to pennsylvania. we're excited about that and going to an open convention where people are going to l

he is aligned with cruz, he should be a cruz supporter. the fact he waited so long and felt he had to pay homage to donald trump really speaks volumes to where the party is right now. >> and the 12,000 people showing up at the rally, mike pence saw that too and wants to make sure he cast the net wide. >> so what is the bottom line? will it be a big night for donald trump? >> at the point i'm not willing to make predictions. but i do agree this is a must-win for ted cruz. he has said if this is his firewall, if it crumbles, he is underneath the rubble, let me put it that way. >> david gergen, i know you said he is not unstoppable, but incredibly hard to stop. and ted cruz will stay in this, he says, as long as he is viable. is he viable if he loses indiana? >> i don't think he is viable if he loses indiana, because then he will lose california. i would not be at all surprised if ted cruz drops out if he loses indiana. >> all right, thank you all very much. next, donald trump says he is making history with the most gop primary votes ever. we

he called ted cruz lying ted cruz. accusing him of illegally kwo l coordinating with a pro-cruz super pac, and called him a trojan horse used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump. you're on capitol hill. you know ted cruz a little bit. you have seen him up here. is that a fair characterization of ted cruds, someone who is stealing an election and trying to steal a nomination from donald trump? >> i don't know whether it's so much ted cruz or the establishment in washington. donald trump in wisconsin actually outperformed the real clear politics poll average. he was sitting around 34%, he got 35%. i think ted cruz got a real wave in wisconsin of the never trump or anti-trump movement. and he took advantage of that. but there was a lot of operatives in there working who were not big ted cruz fans in the past, but i do think they have this anything but trump mentality. and i think they realize the only vehicle to stop trump from getting to 1,237 is ted cruz. so is it that the establishment

john kasich says he will stay out of ted cruz's way in indiana while ted cruz will steer clear of new mexico and oregon. it's being called an agreement, an alliance, a pact, a treaty. today in rhode island a certain someone used a different word for it. >> it is collusion. if you collude -- in politics you are allowed to collude, and i was happy because it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. mark: this morning as kasich campaigned in philadelphia, ted cruz was in indiana. they defended their unorthodox cooperation. >> i don't see this as any big deal other than the fact that i'm not going to spend resources in indiana and he's not going to spend them in other places. so what? what is the big deal? i've never told them not to vote for me. i am not over there campaigning and spending resources. we have limited resources. >> he's focusing his energies elsewhere. that is a decision allocation of resources that makes a lot of and is devoted to the principle of meeting hillary clinton and turning the country around. >> donald trump is going to scream and yell -- that ha

i can see cruz playing well. donald trump is kind of a performer and that does rub people the wrong way. cruz is send spending a lot of time laying the groundwork. he talked about how donald trump comes in in a big jet and leaves. that has some resonance to the people of indiana. if cruz can keep mining that wealth, i think he'll gain traction. >> but put this in the context of what ted cruz does not want to think about any more of last night, you call it alex, you thinks the big surprise headline of the day would be the scope of donald trump's win, the most amazing fak tactor he carried every that voted. >> if you're liking for signs of vulnerability, you get nothing out of last night. amanda makes a val yant case for what they have something in -- cruz wasn't going after those states after being stomped back to back to back. for him this is more than poking holes in trump here and there but having to find an extraordinary well of ability in himself to change the fundamentals of this race as they have now develo

or, ted cruz? i can't stand the double standard. >> i think you may be on to something and penny is absolutely right when she suggests that hillary is disproportionally dependent on the african-american vote and she should tread lightly with the community because that really is the backbone of her support over -- >> base. >> over bernie sanders. in terms of republican reaction to a minutering the same thing, would have been catastrophic or cataclysmic. i believe it. >> here's the thing. i can't stand the double standard. i would be lying if i sat here and now that i know it's -- vernacular used by so many people and you're making fun of me for ten minutes. i get it. i don't have the problem but the double standard and if it's trump, cruz, this would be the end of their campaign and the outrage and the indignation phony. >> it would not be the end of the campaign. >> it would. >> trump ignited racial flames all over the country. protected people, black protesters. legal fees for people attacking --

so back to the kasich/cruz or cruz/kasich alliance. here's what we know. we know that kasich will not go to indiana. i've got a plane ticket to cancel. he'll be going to oregon thursday. they'll try to get their outside groups and voters to go along with this. they recognize voters may not want to do this if they have a more emotional connection. but they're also hoping the anti-trump forces, never trump, stop trump, whatever configuration will now spend money to assist this new alliance. and some others say the alliance is a last gasp. we'll have to see how it plays out. but i'm going to keep working the phones to try to get you more information. >> kelly o'donnell in warwick, rhode island. a donald trump rally going to be held there today. >>> let's bring in shawn spicer, chief strategist with the republican national committee. thanks for joiningous a very busy morning here. this cruz/kasich alliance. the best i could come up with for a precedence was the stop jimmy carter movement on the democratic side 40 years ago. they were doing the divide and conqu

ted cruz, they are saying endorsements don't matter. but ted cruz make them matter. the walker endorsement matters because he comes with a infrastructure. so he's earned that now. he's making use of this. that's what has to happen. if you are going to be an organizer who's going to change everything, you have to be able to do that in washington as well. charles: in the recent days there was one poll he was ahead in. there i no doubt that the bad week of last week is sort of behind donald trump. do you think you have got enough of this renewed momentum to surprise everyone tonight? >> i do think ted cruz is going to win. the key number is how much of the vote does donald trump get? if he gets 5%, i'll find it many the demographic that beat him and not the last two weeks. i want to find out if this support has softened. those with higher education, higher marriage rates and religious adherence do favor ted cruz. charles: cruz doing well amongst evangelicals. thanks a lot. trump reveals how he would force mexico to pay for that border wall. and president obama said the

cruz openly mocked new york values. so even if he wins wisconsin, how can he carry the ball forward? couple things. first that is a great question. first let's talk about wisconsin. wisconsin is resetting of the race. it is much more similar to michigan which donald trump won than it is to iowa on the other side which ted cruz won. so what you see here is a state which is not as evangelical. it has a different set of issues. more of a manufacturing state. and what we see tonight is a further consolidation of the republican base, particularly that volunteer activist, engaged republican base behind senator cruz and abandoning, stepping away from and rejecting donald trump. so that sets the stage going forward for the remaining states. our campaign has been built around a-state model from the very beginning 50 state model. california will vote last june 7th. we've been organizing since august last year. we're well ahead of the game there. you see this in other states. we've been preparing the battlefield for some time. dei

in ted cruz's coffin, so to speak. we saw the desperation yesterday and heard the terms trying to grab the news cycle for one day in nominating or choosing carly fiorina as his running mate, did very poorly in presidential and in california. that was all desperation. donald trump is rock solid in indiana. he's surging. the momentum is behind him. people want to support a winner. >> reporter: so, jose, what will be interesting to see now after the big night that trump had on tuesday is all of these members who represent districts that voted overwhelmingly for trump. and there are many of them, will they now get on board because they believe that the -- it's inevitable for donald trump to become the nominee? if that happens and trump gets momentum from congress, it's the best thing for his campaign and puts a real dent in the never trump movement because then you divide capitol hill and that's the one thing that the gop leadership does not want to see happen. they do not want their members bickering back and forth betwee

certainly on senator cruz's part. he's made his bones as the anti-establishment people and between he and trump they've been getting 70 to 80% of the vote in the primaries. all the sudden he darts to the other side. but aside from that, i think it's an admission that they're in big trouble. as governor kasich says he doesn't have the resources to keep going on here in sort of a stylish fashion that you would want your candidate to do. so, it's pretty much an admission that they have a big problem on their hands. >> i don't know if it's going to backfire but i would suggest they do this more carefully. for example, the super packs are not on board. so, the president of one of the big super packs supporting cruz says they're running ads in indiana attacking john kasich. and they still have reason to think that what they've always wanted to do, which is have trump one on one is still something that might be within their grasp. as bad and fumbling as these experts may be, we still don't see donald trump getting more than

let's say cruz wins them all tonight. that would bring him up to 517, which is more than 200 behind donald trump. i'm not dismissing it but it shows the mathematical game. even if he were to sweep all the delegates. lou: you are correct. but the cumulative effect is powerful. it takes the two of them, cruz and trump over the 1,237 mark and gives them the power to determine what will happen in the rules committee, the convention and determine if they could between them about who would do what on that ticket. i'm sure they could come to an instant agreement about who would be president and who would be vice president. neil: how likely is that, a superhero teaming up. i would imagine if you are cruz you are not willing at this point to concede anything. lou: this is the fallacy in my thinking because it requires an agreement between two men who have been beatings the tar out of each other for some time now. the two of them coming together may be improbable, by the am not impossible. their contempt for the republican establis

(applause) (laughter) oh, man, ted cruz... what happened there, cruz? i mean, normally, management adage jokes crush! what happened there? i don't know if there's one person who says, i think this is where we applaud... the crowd just wasn't behind him. what does ted cruz have to talk about to get this crowd going? >> in naming her as my vice presidential nominee, i am also telling you that she is someone you can be confident in if the occasion should arise to be commander-in-chief and keep this country safe. (cheers and applause) >> trevor: wow, those people are really applauding for the idea of cruz dying in office. even ted cruz was, like, okay, that's enough clapping. wow, that was just hypothetical. why do you have a gun? what are you doing? show down, slow down. (laughter) basically, ted swiped right on carly because she's a business woman with strengths. what does carly see in ted cruz that nobody else does? >> he is a principled fighter. he is a man of character and conviction. he actually is what he says he is. he is who he says he is. >> trevo

john kasich to speak in nand and ted cruz. and on the heels of this bombshell announcement over the weekend, this new kasich-cruz alliance. donald trump just wrapped up another event where he spoke out reacting to this unprecedented union. >> if you collude in business or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail, but in politics, because it's a rigged system, because it's a corrupt enterprise, in politics you're allowed to collude. they colluded. actually, i was happy. because it show house weak they are, shows how pathetic they are. takes two guys long-time politicians to try and get together to try and beat trump and yet they're way behind. said to myself, that's pretty bad. that's pretty bad. and here's the key! i've only been doing this for 10 months. i haven't even been doing it very long. >> donald trump with his first on camera remarks out of rhode isla island, earlier today. the goal of this new campaign coordination is to stop donald trump's efforts, secure those 1237 delegates that would secure the no

the idea is, kasich leaves indiana to cruz and cruz lets him go out west. we looked an at recent fox news indiana poll that includes voters second choice, you look where kasich support could go, reallocate his support, trump still holds a three point lead. some kasich supporters will go to trump. is there a chance this maneuver ends up backfiring against and helping trump? >> i don't know exactly how it backfires or hurts trump. there will be a lot of vocal people who echo what trump is s saying, somehow the insiders are fixing the game. i don't think you would call either john kasich, if you look at his career, he's always been an outsider. cruz only in his second term in the senate, you know he's been an outsider since he's been there. there's only upside for cruz because most kasich supporters would go for cruz and that seems to be the way to end indiana. seems like a pragmatic and very smart move. >> that's what i meant. you think kasich supporters will vote for cruz and understand the math and not just be attracted to donald trump? >> no. it's a step t

that's supposed to be ted cruz's vote. he could go to indiana, take out indiana, and then game over. it is all speculation. >> no matter what happens tomorrow, demographics, again and again matter more than momentum. the demographics of indiana suggest trump should win 38 or 39% of the vote. if ted cruz can get to 42% of the vote or 43% or something, he should be able to still win indiana. >> trump is not going to win one contest in may. after indiana, where will he win? montana? no. not going to win new mexico. >> in indiana, you have the issue, there are republicans, including the governor who are conservatives and haven't said i am going to back a horse here. another instance of too little, too late, people aren't stepping up to the plate. >> jeffrey, i don't know if you call it an alliance, maybe that's too generous. >> arrangement. >> that we are not cordial, does that confirm that to supporters? >> sure. absolutely. anderson, the other night i went to my first trump rally in harrisburg. he had 10,000 people there. be

so that worked in cruz's favor. donald trump had been very disparaging of scott walker but people in wisconsin really like him. so, i think that that was one thing that possibly backfired. >> if they define him as establishment, they say establishment is fine by me because they've seen him fight over and over again. >> and conservatives outnumber moderates in wisconsin. and republicans have been tested over and over again recently when scott walker took on the union. they have seen benefits of sticking together because they won the recall vote. and the state numbers from an unemployment rate, the way the state is running is working well, so institutionally, wisconsin is pretty happy with where they were. >> so saying wisconsin didn't think it's going to be their state. but a few weeks ago, they said it was. >> yes. many said it was potentially a good state. and trump saying he's going to win so if you compare to voters, 70% in both states. under $100,000 in income. 55% to 53% concollege graduates. 75% in wisconsin.

that could be a cruz state. west virginia, looking like a trump state. 1030s the number we're going to give him, two more states to come in may. washington and oregon, these are pretty straightforward, pretty proportional, not winner take all. if we give trump 32 from those two states combined, end may with 1062, there would be one day left. you got five states on june 7th. take you through numbers. easy part is this. new jersey winner take all. that looks like it's a trump state. new mexico's up proportional state. say he could pick off 12 half of the delegates from there. where would that leave him? 63 to his total. sitting there at 1125. give him a loss in montana, call it a cruz state. you see one state left on the board. california. where would trump be going to california? 1125. he'd be 112 delegates, that what he would need to squeeze out of california in the scenario. keep that number in mind. take a look at the lay of the land in california. this, excuse me, the single, biggest piece of bad news for the

and cruz is winning. he won in north dakota last weekend and will win more in colorado this weekend and something that trump hasn't had the operation to do let alone the expertise. >> paul can do that potentially, but do they have time and how would they do it? >> i don't think they have time to build a national organization and then go ahead and do the work. there are states they have elected delegates and it is not too late in others. but the thing to understand doing this grassroots work. it takes months and months of planning and even if you have experts. they can't do that in one night. not only winning the contest it convention. they are behind the eight ball and if he ends up the nominee. >> he has a big old airplane and fly people to wine them and dine them and new york primary coming up. and so the new polls put him 50 percent in that one. a lot going on. david this is an exciting campaign and election. thank you for your expertise today. >> were you surprouzed by the wisconsin primary results. w

ted cruz 15% support. ted cruz lagging kasich in the state. donald trump using ted cruz's words against him. you may remember cruz criticizing new york values. donald trump jumping on that saying cruz was insulting new yorkers. cruz said he was insulting the new york liberal class, not new york voters. if you look, ted cruz is doing well in the delegate hunt. wins in colorado. he took 34 delegates. the donald trump saying he used gustapo tactics. cruz saying that say donald trump temper tantrum. we won because we have a superior organization. in fact, beefing up that delegate organization of his home bringing in a delegate expert to compete here going forward. new york, the next big battle ground could be a winner take all. we should continue to hear donald trump through this week here in new york. john and michelle. >> that's chris frates and the rolling stops. bernie sanders ratcheting up the issue with the primary eight days away over who is qualified to be president. now questioning the secretary's judgment. >> she may have the experience